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My Road To Being Me Again

yo

that's crazy.....small world....i go to the rockaway mall too. i live down greenpond road over rt23 in west milford

you mean a trip to see dr john? whatda you a botchacaloop? i asked for weeks to see if someone wanted to take the ride with me and couldn't find a sole... oh **** you know that's when i was talking on the bb.com site. that sucks..some company woulda been great. it was a 9 hr ride or was it a 10? that's driving 75 - 80 all the way. coming home took me 12 hrs cause i hit snow and ice storms....

i got a funny story about my trip....but not for here...send me a p/m

where do you train? what other things are you into? how old are you...married, kids? i'll have to look back at your other posts now to see what your deal is.

"this is a good pov" what the hell does that mean?

cool beans

bob
 
bobbyn said:
yo

that's crazy.....small world....i go to the rockaway mall too. i live down greenpond road over rt23 in west milford

you mean a trip to see dr john? whatda you a botchacaloop? i asked for weeks to see if someone wanted to take the ride with me and couldn't find a sole... oh **** you know that's when i was talking on the bb.com site. that sucks..some company woulda been great. it was a 9 hr ride or was it a 10? that's driving 75 - 80 all the way. coming home took me 12 hrs cause i hit snow and ice storms....

i got a funny story about my trip....but not for here...send me a p/m

where do you train? what other things are you into? how old are you...married, kids? i'll have to look back at your other posts now to see what your deal is.

"this is a good pov" what the hell does that mean?

cool beans

bob
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Yahoo and Google cannot find Greenpond Rd, but West Milford is 30 miles north of Parsippany where I live, 1.5 mile from entrance to Rt 80.
I can see Greenpond Rd Newfoundland, crossing Rt23, but computer do not like it for some reason.
I have overlooked your search for a partner to drive to Dr John.
I am 67yo, 5'9", 160#, 10years retired.
I do not train hard, but I do 1 hour/week weight lifting under supervision of my chiropractor in Boonton.
He have a small gym in basement of his office, helps his sons, football players and some body building types.
For aerobics I dance, ballroom, WCS and Hustle. Nice way to keep in touch with opposite sex and sweat together.
I plan to get in touch with Dr John using my doctor, osteopath, after my blood test. Probably sometime in April.
I did not started any paperwork with Dr John so I do not know how that will go once I start on it.

What is stopping me a big way is my situation with high DHT and my enlarged prostate.

I, for sure would like to know his possible approach before hand, so far Dr John is quiet on this topic, AFAIK.

The idea of driving, specially with someone raised my interest.
Since you already have this behind you, possibly someone else will come around.

Welcome neighbor.
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pov point of view
AFAIK as far as I know
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I am from Poland, English is continuously my second language even after 35 years in USA,
even after designing, building and operating Nuclear Power Plants for all that time.
 
smd

you ever use a rubber pecker ring? it'll work wonders for little jr there... even if the cialis gets a little bit of blood in your johnny-cap...the ring will keep it these and you'll feel like john holmes

bob
 
JanSz,

Cool Beans!

I train hard 5 days aweek....i'm 50 but folks think i'm 40 or so.
google union valley rd / greenbrook drive that'll give you an idea where i am. i train at olympus in butler on rt 23....few miles from boonton..

too bad on the ride out to dr john.....would been perfect..

there was just a post on bhp and the use of botox shots to shrink the size of it...did you see it? says it works for 7-8 months or so.

the dancing is very cool....i always wanted to take dancing lessons....funny you were in the power plant business...i'm in power plants every day, fossil, coal, cogen, trash burners, refinerys.. ect. i'm in the valve business...selling of new...and the rebuild of safety valves, control valves, main stean stops ect...keyspan, pseg, con ed, tosco, hess ...all that

ok gota go...we oughta get together and shoot the crap about this stuff...whatda say?

bob
 
SoMdHunter - Forgive us power plant guys for kinda hijacking your thread.

Is there something to power plants and hypogonadism? I am an electrical engineer with twenty years in coal fired power plants. Surely there is no real connection. Just a thought.
 
kincaiddave said:
SoMdHunter - Forgive us power plant guys for kinda hijacking your thread.

Is there something to power plants and hypogonadism? I am an electrical engineer with twenty years in coal fired power plants. Surely there is no real connection. Just a thought.
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Off hand I would not think so.
OTOH I had some (relatively small) radiation exposure, mine is mostly on Nuclear Power Plants.
Also work when double suited in high temperature may not helped.
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So SoMdHunter how far are you from RT80/Rt287 cross-sestion, or RT80 Exit 41(NJ)?
 
bobbyn said:
JanSz,

Cool Beans!

I train hard 5 days aweek....i'm 50 but folks think i'm 40 or so.
google union valley rd / greenbrook drive that'll give you an idea where i am. i train at olympus in butler on rt 23....few miles from boonton..

too bad on the ride out to dr john.....would been perfect..

there was just a post on bhp and the use of botox shots to shrink the size of it...did you see it? says it works for 7-8 months or so.

the dancing is very cool....i always wanted to take dancing lessons....funny you were in the power plant business...i'm in power plants every day, fossil, coal, cogen, trash burners, refinerys.. ect. i'm in the valve business...selling of new...and the rebuild of safety valves, control valves, main stean stops ect...keyspan, pseg, con ed, tosco, hess ...all that

ok gota go...we oughta get together and shoot the crap about this stuff...whatda say?

bob
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If you do not know how to dance but want to learn, you are in luck. You do not have a bad habits to fight with.
Start with West Coast Swing because teacher is superb and have excellent set up. Phil Lamote.
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then go for Hustle with Diane Nardone
but do not go there if you do not like being hug and kissed after god dance.

Every Wednesday - NJ Diane K Nardone presents DKNDance at the
Knights of Columbus 16-16 Maple Ave Fair Lawn, NJ
7:30 - 8:30 Beginner/ Refresher Course (Understand your basics & your foundation to hustle)
8:30 to 9:15 1st half of social DJ Dave Muzzi
9:15 – 10:15Intermediate / Advanced Class (Raise your level of dancing Syncopations & Styling)
10:15 - 11:30 2nd half of social DJ Dave Muzzi
Admission:
1 Class each $10
1 Class & Socials $15
2 Classes & Socials $23
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Then there are ballroom dances, tough work here.
This one is top of the world, I wish I could do 1/100 of it.
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But I go to:
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bobbyn said:
smd

you ever use a rubber pecker ring? it'll work wonders for little jr there... even if the cialis gets a little bit of blood in your johnny-cap...the ring will keep it these and you'll feel like john holmes

bob
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That was the very first thing I tried many years ago. This is a bit embarrassing, but the Dr. couldn't find one big enough for me. They were all too small, and very uncomfortable.
 
kincaiddave said:
SoMdHunter - Forgive us power plant guys for kinda hijacking your thread.

Is there something to power plants and hypogonadism? I am an electrical engineer with twenty years in coal fired power plants. Surely there is no real connection. Just a thought.
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LOL! No problem at all bro. I enjoy the conversation.
 
bobbyn said:
yo smh,

glad it's working out... why don't you consider driving to see dr john? if loots tight you won't have to worry about the airfare. all the affordable flights for me were connecting flights so betweeen having to get to the airport an hour before the flights and all the stand by time i woulda been killing over 7 hours anyway

if you'll be going tpk to 80...i'm 1/2 hour off 80 at roughly x35...
your welcome to stay over

bob
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Hey bob, I'll most likely set up an appointment with him in April. I have enough FF miles to fly for free, so that will most likely be the way to get to him.

SMH
 
What happened to bb.com they shut down.
Phil
bobbyn said:
yo

that's crazy.....small world....i go to the rockaway mall too. i live down greenpond road over rt23 in west milford

you mean a trip to see dr john? whatda you a botchacaloop? i asked for weeks to see if someone wanted to take the ride with me and couldn't find a sole... oh **** you know that's when i was talking on the bb.com site. that sucks..some company woulda been great. it was a 9 hr ride or was it a 10? that's driving 75 - 80 all the way. coming home took me 12 hrs cause i hit snow and ice storms....

i got a funny story about my trip....but not for here...send me a p/m

where do you train? what other things are you into? how old are you...married, kids? i'll have to look back at your other posts now to see what your deal is.

"this is a good pov" what the hell does that mean?

cool beans

bob
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smh.. go to an adult store...they have some that are adjustable..

as far as the power plants go...who knows i've spent tons of time power plants over that last 25 - 30 years.

bob
 
i'd love to take up some of that dancing jazz.....but don't have alot of time for it. i woudn't mind checking the place out one night though....

no radiation here...we don't do nuke plants.

did you find me on google?

bob
 
bobbyn said:
smh.. go to an adult store...they have some that are adjustable..

as far as the power plants go...who knows i've spent tons of time power plants over that last 25 - 30 years.

bob
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LOL! Got one right around the corner actually. Still doesn't correct the problem.

Actually I'm waiting to get my blood work back from my Urologist and once I have the money, I'm going to go see Dr. John. I'll give him the details and let him fix me up.
 
hey bro...

that thing worked fine for me when i had trouble....hope you fix that thing soon :o)

i'm gona grab a bite to eat on wends with jansz....he goes to a chiroprator 2 miles from my gym....outa be cool

take care
 
Well, the Dr office called today. Blood tests are back, so I go pick them up tomorrow. I'm curious what the readings are. Then once I manage to save enough money, off to go see Dr. John!
 
Well, it appears it is certainly time to go see Dr John! Got my blood work back, and one thing is for certain. After 3 months on 100mg Test C per week I am totally shutdown now, and my test levels are still lower than what I thought they would be. Here is what the results say:

Blood was drawn on the day my next injection was due and all tests were conducted by LabCorp.

Total Test 487ng/dL limits 241 - 827
% Free + Weekly bound 19.8% limits 9.0 - 46.0
Free + Weekly bound 96.4ng/dL limits 40.0 - 250.0
DHT 37ng/dL
FSH 0.3 mIU/mL limits 1.4 - 18.1
Estradiol 37pg/nl limits 0 - 53

These tests were done early morning when things should be optimal. From what I have learned, E is probably too high, and oddly enough, my test levels still aren't in the upper half, much less the upper third of the range.

Anyway, time for lunch and then a workout at the gym. I need to save money faster I guess so I can go see Dr John for some help.
 
SoMdHunter said:
Well, it appears it is certainly time to go see Dr John! Got my blood work back, and one thing is for certain. After 3 months on 100mg Test C per week I am totally shutdown now, and my test levels are still lower than what I thought they would be. Here is what the results say:

Blood was drawn on the day my next injection was due and all tests were conducted by LabCorp.

Total Test 487ng/dL limits 241 - 827
% Free + Weekly bound 19.8% limits 9.0 - 46.0
Free + Weekly bound 96.4ng/dL limits 40.0 - 250.0
DHT 37ng/dL
FSH 0.3 mIU/mL limits 1.4 - 18.1
Estradiol 37pg/nl limits 0 - 53

These tests were done early morning when things should be optimal. From what I have learned, E is probably too high, and oddly enough, my test levels still aren't in the upper half, much less the upper third of the range.

Anyway, time for lunch and then a workout at the gym. I need to save money faster I guess so I can go see Dr John for some help.
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Your test may go up when you manage your estrogens.
What do you do about estrogen?
What is your SHBG?
 
JanSz said:
Your test may go up when you manage your estrogens.
What do you do about estrogen?
What is your SHBG?
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Surprisingly SHBG wasn't on the list of those items to check at the 5 week mark, although I probably should have had that one done as well.

I'm not doing anything about the estrogen at the moment as I didn't want to self-administer anything so my tests would come back with a clear picture of what is going on.
 
SoMdHunter said:
Surprisingly SHBG wasn't on the list of those items to check at the 5 week mark, although I probably should have had that one done as well.

I'm not doing anything about the estrogen at the moment as I didn't want to self-administer anything so my tests would come back with a clear picture of what is going on.
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Whatewer you do, as long as you do it consistently for over a month gives you a baseline.

Where are you located, anyhow?
I am looking for a buddy to ride to Dr John's office.
I missed bobbyn's call for a ride.
Had nice lunch with him last Wednesday.
I am at Exit 41 Rt80, Parsippany NJ

Any body else contemplating this kind of trip, speak up.
 
I'm in Maryland, but it will be awhile before I can afford to go though. That is why I'm saving as much as I can. But I have some finances I have to get settled before I can make the trip.
 
SMH - I would look at your new results as good news in a way. Kinda like you found the smoking gun. Too much of your shots are converting to E2. If you took some Arimidex your E2 would be reduced and your T higher, which would help your T/E2 ratio. If you would switch to doing your shots every three days you would have a more stable T level and would help a tiny bit on E2.

Of course you're suppressed. I would expect nothing different after all the T shots.

Doing the math - you're at 42% of your lab's scale.

It would be great if you could get some help with the E2 from your Doc. Since it looks like it will be a while before you can see Dr. John, you could be stable on whatever E2 control you go on when you see him and he can take it from there.
 
dave, Yeah I agree with your analysis. Problem is my Urologist isn't up on HRT like I would like and while he has agreed to work with Dr. John as far as running lab work, he is not willing to write a Rx since he doesn't know enough about HRT. So you can see my dilemma.
I dare not stop the injections at this point fearing a sharp increase in E and decrease in T levels. I think this would be a bad idea. I've also noticed atrophy with the "boys". As for changing the injections to twice a week, while probably a good idea, does this constitute "self-medication" since it isn't exactly what my Rx is for? Hell, I don't know.
This can get complicated as hell! No wonder Dr. John spends hours trying to figure all this out. Hopefully I'll present him with a pretty straight forward case that will be simple to correct. Cause in the end, all I want is to have a proper love life with my wife, which has been absent for years.
 
SoMdHunter said:
dave, Yeah I agree with your analysis. Problem is my Urologist isn't up on HRT like I would like and while he has agreed to work with Dr. John as far as running lab work, he is not willing to write a Rx since he doesn't know enough about HRT. So you can see my dilemma.
I dare not stop the injections at this point fearing a sharp increase in E and decrease in T levels. I think this would be a bad idea. I've also noticed atrophy with the "boys". As for changing the injections to twice a week, while probably a good idea, does this constitute "self-medication" since it isn't exactly what my Rx is for? Hell, I don't know.
This can get complicated as hell! No wonder Dr. John spends hours trying to figure all this out. Hopefully I'll present him with a pretty straight forward case that will be simple to correct. Cause in the end, all I want is to have a proper love life with my wife, which has been absent for years.
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Man, you are agreeing to too many constraints.
By your definition I am doing nothing else but self-medicating for the last four years.
Think of it this way;
Either you have a doctor who knows TRT, then you follow his directions, because hi gives you directions.
Or;
you doctor admittedly does not know TRT, hopefully you do, then, first order is to secure enough medicine, supplements , blood work script, but the logic behind using all this must be yours.

If you doctor gives you for example, script for HCG, and tells you to inject 1000IU every day, as some do, you would be a crazy listening to that advice. Grab script for HCG, say thank you and inject 100IU every day.
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Btw, if you got script for testosterone, (I prefer 100mg/1gram Tcreme, 90 days supply, 3 refils, on script written to use 2 grams daily), and scripts for blood work, you are just about set. Use 0.75grams of cream, it may work.
If you do not go overboard (most do) with T, you should be able to control your E's with DIM+IC3 and TMG.
You will not need Arimidex.
Your balls will shrink, that is cosmetics until you find another doctor who will give you a script for HCG.
You will be able to make love with your wife (with shrunken balls, big deal).
 
Total Test 487ng/dL limits 241 - 827
% Free + Weekly bound 19.8% limits 9.0 - 46.0
Free + Weekly bound 96.4ng/dL limits 40.0 - 250.0
DHT 37ng/dL
FSH 0.3 mIU/mL limits 1.4 - 18.1
Estradiol 37pg/nl limits 0 - 53

hey smd....

whatzzzzz up. hey gys what am i missing here? why based on these results do you feel your shutdown?

i must be near dead then...my t's at 320 (20-1000)
my free % is 1.3 (1.0-2.7)
my free is 41.4 (50-210)
dht=74 (25-75)
fsh2.3 (1.6-8.0)
est 20 (10-50)

also i see the ranges are different...isn't that a standard ?

i see your fsh is below the acceptable limits but your t isn't so bad.. no?? why is the t decent but the fsh so low....

isn't the fsh that tells the testes to produce....beeing too lazy to go back and look this up (work has me burnt)

thanks for helping me learn

bob
 
bobbyn said:
Total Test 487ng/dL limits 241 - 827
% Free + Weekly bound 19.8% limits 9.0 - 46.0
Free + Weekly bound 96.4ng/dL limits 40.0 - 250.0
DHT 37ng/dL
FSH 0.3 mIU/mL limits 1.4 - 18.1
Estradiol 37pg/nl limits 0 - 53

hey smd....

whatzzzzz up. hey gys what am i missing here? why based on these results do you feel your shutdown?

i must be near dead then...my t's at 320 (20-1000)
my free % is 1.3 (1.0-2.7)
my free is 41.4 (50-210)
dht=74 (25-75)
fsh2.3 (1.6-8.0)
est 20 (10-50)

also i see the ranges are different...isn't that a standard ?

i see your fsh is below the acceptable limits but your t isn't so bad.. no?? why is the t decent but the fsh so low....

isn't the fsh that tells the testes to produce....beeing too lazy to go back and look this up (work has me burnt)

thanks for helping me learn

bob
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Hey bob!

My limits are from LabCorp, but I don't know what the "standard" is.

As for being shutdown, the low FSH is due to the Test injections. That also explains the almost mid-range testosterone levels. Since I'm doing weekly injections, the hypothalmus and pituatary is detecting the testosterone in my system and has stopped production of FSH, and probably LH as well even though I didn't get that checked. Both those hormones tell the testicles to produce testosterone. This also explains the atrophy I am seeing. On another note, my Urologist noted atrophy on my initial visit. If we had been smart enough, I would have had a bunch of other tests run as well to find out why I was having problems. It may have been a FSH and LH problem, more than low test levels. Now there is no way of knowing, unless I completely do a PCT like therapy and get off the injections. This could take some time though. So till then, I will keep the injections going until I can get to Dr. John.

I hope my above explanation is correct. At least that is how I learned it. That is also about the extent of my HRT knowledge.
 
Injection again tonight....and all went fine. Being shutdown had concerned me for a few days, but it was expected since starting the injections. Considering where I was before seeking help, I'm much better! At least I respond to the wife's stimulation. Erections aren't long lasting, but at least they occur. Now, as soon as I can get to Dr John, the better.
 
hey smh

glad your feeling better...and glad your scwartz is still with you :o)

i was suprised to see your test levels as high as they are....seems like there are a few guys here like you that have mid level test labs and are risking shuting it totally down for an
extra 100 or so ng/dL. that has me a little confused.

i'm feeling pretty good and am waiting to have my 30 day labs drawn in a few days

take care bud
bob
 
Hey bob.

My Urologist put me on TRT due to fatigue, severe ED for almost 10 years, testicular atrophy, sleepiness all the time, etc...even though my test levels were in the low-normal range (460 ng/dl). I (nor my Dr for that matter) wasn't educated enough to know to check E levels, much less LH, FSH, etc, etc, etc before starting TRT. Strangely enough, my T levels are only up to 487 now. E is 36 at my last blood test, so that may have been the problem all along. I'm not one to chase an extra 100ng of testosterone just for the sake of having higher T levels. I would love nothing more than to be "normal" without all the injections. Considering for years I couldn't achieve an erection at all, I am much better in that department. I'm also interested in sex again, which is another improvement.

In any event, I'm certain I shouldn't get off the injections until I can get to see Dr. John. And even then I'll have to do it under his supervision, gradually and maybe with the assistance of HCG to get me started again. I'll leave all that up to him. I've learned enough to realize I need someone much more eduated than me to get me straightened out. I'm still not "fixed", and I don't know what else to do at this point.


SMH
 
SoMdHunter said:
Hey bob.

My Urologist put me on TRT due to fatigue, severe ED for almost 10 years, testicular atrophy, sleepiness all the time, etc...even though my test levels were in the low-normal range (460 ng/dl). I (nor my Dr for that matter) wasn't educated enough to know to check E levels, much less LH, FSH, etc, etc, etc before starting TRT. Strangely enough, my T levels are only up to 487 now. E is 36 at my last blood test, so that may have been the problem all along. I'm not one to chase an extra 100ng of testosterone just for the sake of having higher T levels. I would love nothing more than to be "normal" without all the injections. Considering for years I couldn't achieve an erection at all, I am much better in that department. I'm also interested in sex again, which is another improvement.

In any event, I'm certain I shouldn't get off the injections until I can get to see Dr. John. And even then I'll have to do it under his supervision, gradually and maybe with the assistance of HCG to get me started again. I'll leave all that up to him. I've learned enough to realize I need someone much more eduated than me to get me straightened out. I'm still not "fixed", and I don't know what else to do at this point.

SMH
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Keep learning and try to figure out what you are missing.
You have said that the money is tight and it may take a while before you can see a Dr John.
What prevents you from reading my post
03-10-2007, 04:03 PM
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What are the details of your TRT that you are doing now?
 
JanSz said:
Keep learning and try to figure out what you are missing.
You have said that the money is tight and it may take a while before you can see a Dr John.
What prevents you from reading my post
03-10-2007, 04:03 PM
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What are the details of your TRT that you are doing now?
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Jan,

Yeah, I read your post over there. You are braver than I.

I'm still doing the 100mg per week of the Test C. I'll admit I've given the DIM a try, but really didn't notice any difference. Maybe I didn't stay with it long enough. But then again, I'm not keen at all on doing any "self diagnosing" for fear of really screwing myself up. But then again, after years of no libido, sex life etc....what could it hurt huh?
 
hey buddy

i feel your pain and hope you get straightned out soon....as you know i'm just learning and everytime you learn one thing...there's ten more right behind it. it seems to me that your t isn't terrible and your e is a little hig but not out of range...maybe there's something else that's causing your issues. we should all kick in a couple bucks so you could see dr john :o)

that was a mistake on the t range...that was suposed to say 260 - 1000

did you ever have a sonagram of the ole johnson to check for any blood flow restriction?
 
A communty chest to help out us poor folks to get to Dr John huh? :o I sent an email to Kim, asking for an appointment in the late May/early June timeframe. I can afford it by then.

I don't think it is a bloodflow problem. With the help of Cialis, I have been able to obtain a strong, rock hard erection. It is short lived, but at least I was "right" for awhile. Right now they are about half, maybe a bit more than that, than what they should be.

The other issue is, my libido still isn't where it should be either. It is like, yeah, I can be talked into sex, but am I really "horny"? Not really. Tough to explain, but I'm sure most men know exactly what I'm talking about.

The strangest part of it all it I'm able to add muscle in the gym, yet I'm still have these problems. WTF?? Beats me, that is why I don't want to change anything on my own.

Anyway, if I can get to Dr John in the late spring I will be happy. It's only a couple of months away when you think about it.

SMH
 
Update to my log, which consists of good news and bad news.

First the good news. I've been playing phone tag with Kim at Dr. John's office. I plan on giving a call tomorrow morning to get myself scheduled to see him. I should be able to save enough by late May, so I want to get it scheduled as soon as I can.

Now the bad news. For some reason, I simply cannot relocate that sweet spot on my left quad to do my injections. I have almost crippled myself trying to find it again, leaving holes all in my leg, bleeding like hell. I have no idea what is up with that, but I'm now starting to hate doing the injections. I've been to the web sites that show the locations and have even compared them to my right quad. I still can't seem to get it right. My right one is still ok, but I've getting more nervous about doing them now. Since I have very little body fat, I may go to smaller and shorter needles and see if that helps. I gotta try something, cause what I'm trying to do now just ain't working.
 
Well, I spoke with Kim yesterday. Looks like we are all set for a06 June appointment! That's the quickest I can afford the trip. Certainly looking forward to it!
 
Thanks bob. I talked to Kim today, we are all set. 1:00pm on June 6th! :woohoo:

And on another good note, I started messing around with the wife yesterday and all of a sudden, I was rock hard! Man it felt great to be that erect again! I couldn't maintain until I finished, but I took care of her just fine! She REALLY enjoyed it, so I was very pleased. Now if I could just keep that going for awhile, all would be set!
 
ageless: IF you read this, my apologies bro. I just now saw your message. I'll hook up with ya this weekend. My bad for not noticing.
 
Found A New Injection Site

My weekly injection went very well. I was cruising around on the net a few days ago and found another injection site to try since my left quad has been giving me problems. For some reason, I can't inject into my left quad anymore without severe pain. Anyway, I found one can very safely inject into the ventrogluteal muscle, which is located on the hip, just below the iliac crest (top of the hip bone).

So I had the wife do the injection for the first time to make sure she could locate the muscle. It was only a slight prick, then all was fine. One small drop of blood upon extraction of the needle. Gonna try to other one next week. Just thought I would share with anyone reading this log.

SMH
 
hey SoMD

nice to see that you are somewhat on ur way back

im in the same boat as u. same symptoms, although my ed isnt quiet as bad, but since i have no libido at all it doesnt matter

luckily my gf of 2 years is amazing, and i cant wait till im all fixed up and can thank her lol

im currently w dr chrisler. i opted to try out a 5 week pct (post cycle therapy) of nolvadex before i whent with trt. im on day 5 of that, no change as of yet

im 20 btw, all this crap started at age 18. i got really sick w strep throat for 2 weeks and boom....ive been a zomby since

i dream daily about when ill feel normal again. til then though lots of sorting stuff out, decypherin labs, and experimenting

good luck. keep us updated its nice to be able to have some support on these boards
 
fit4life05 said:
hey SoMD

nice to see that you are somewhat on ur way back

im in the same boat as u. same symptoms, although my ed isnt quiet as bad, but since i have no libido at all it doesnt matter

luckily my gf of 2 years is amazing, and i cant wait till im all fixed up and can thank her lol

im currently w dr chrisler. i opted to try out a 5 week post cycle therapy (post cycle therapy) of nolvadex before i whent with trt. im on day 5 of that, no change as of yet

im 20 btw, all this crap started at age 18. i got really sick w strep throat for 2 weeks and boom....ive been a zomby since

i dream daily about when ill feel normal again. til then though lots of sorting stuff out, decypherin labs, and experimenting

good luck. keep us updated its nice to be able to have some support on these boards
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F4L,
Sorry to hear someone your young age is already having problems. When I was your age, ED never even entered my mind. Having an erection and satisfaying sex life was as natural as breathing. Guess it goes to show you it can happen to anyone!

Is it your idea to do a PCT or Dr. John's? My Urologist started me on TRT without really checking a host of other hormones. But I'm smart enough now to know that I can't get off the Test C without really screwing myself up, so I'll just keep injecting until I can get to Dr. John.

Hang in there buddy, there is a remedy out there for the both of us!
 
fit4life05 said:
hey SoMD

nice to see that you are somewhat on ur way back

im in the same boat as u. same symptoms, although my ed isnt quiet as bad, but since i have no libido at all it doesnt matter

luckily my gf of 2 years is amazing, and i cant wait till im all fixed up and can thank her lol

im currently w dr chrisler. i opted to try out a 5 week post cycle therapy (post cycle therapy) of nolvadex before i whent with trt. im on day 5 of that, no change as of yet

im 20 btw, all this crap started at age 18. i got really sick w strep throat for 2 weeks and boom....ive been a zomby since

i dream daily about when ill feel normal again. til then though lots of sorting stuff out, decypherin labs, and experimenting

good luck. keep us updated its nice to be able to have some support on these boards
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STREP THROAT! HOLY CRAP! I never thought of that! I had strep throat when I was 19-20, around the time my problems began. I forgot all about that. That was probably the root of my troubles too! I understand exactly what's going on with you man. It took me until now at 31 to discover Dr. Crisler & HRT. Hang in there!
 
SoMdHunter said:
F4L,
Sorry to hear someone your young age is already having problems. When I was your age, ED never even entered my mind. Having an erection and satisfaying sex life was as natural as breathing. Guess it goes to show you it can happen to anyone!

Is it your idea to do a post cycle therapy or Dr. John's? My Urologist started me on TRT without really checking a host of other hormones. But I'm smart enough now to know that I can't get off the Test C without really screwing myself up, so I'll just keep injecting until I can get to Dr. John.

Hang in there buddy, there is a remedy out there for the both of us!
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Well Dr John asked if I wanted to try out TRT (my newest labs showed Test at 310 i think on a scale of like 250-1800), I was kind of iffy about going straight in to mainly cuz of my age and I knew a post cycle therapy was an alternative route (although not really that likely to work) so when he asked if Id rather try that first I agreed Id rather make sure that wont help before Im on TRT for life.
 
b4554 said:
STREP THROAT! HOLY CRAP! I never thought of that! I had strep throat when I was 19-20, around the time my problems began. I forgot all about that. That was probably the root of my troubles too! I understand exactly what's going on with you man. It took me until now at 31 to discover Dr. Crisler & HRT. Hang in there!
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haha ya who woulda guessed

mine came after a week of spring break (obviously lots of drinking). i think all the alcohol kinda weakened my immune system, then the strep throat just worsened and prolonged it. somewhere in that time i think it just overloaded my adrenals and my test levels just dropped
 
fit4life05 said:
Well Dr John asked if I wanted to try out TRT (my newest labs showed Test at 310 i think on a scale of like 250-1800), I was kind of iffy about going straight in to mainly cuz of my age and I knew a post cycle therapy was an alternative route (although not really that likely to work) so when he asked if Id rather try that first I agreed Id rather make sure that wont help before Im on TRT for life.
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I would certainly listen to Dr. John then. Since starting on TRT I physically feel sooooo much better. I'm in a great mood, feel good, sleep very well and am at ease for the first time in a long time. Now if I could just keep the erections and finish, I would be happy.
 
Injection went hunky dory this evening. Did a right quad shot, and was virtually painless...only an initial sting upon piercing the skin. My nipples constantly stay erect, with no other symptoms, but I'm still watching this closely.

Sex life hasn't really improved. Erections are inconsistent and short lived. But I actually enjoy getting them when I do. Makes me feel like a man again.

Can hardly wait for June 6th!
 
Just a quick update to my log. Strength in the gym has been very good lately. I can tell I'm slowly getting stronger, and now I'm starting to add a bit of muscle. This tells me the injections are impacting me in a positive way, but this dayum ED persists! The wife is very understanding, but I'm sure her patience isn't endless. I know mine isn't.
 
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