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post workout potien question

jvb20

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ok when on a cycle what is a good amount of protien to take in post workout.. i have been taking in about 65-70 grams post workout is this to much or to little
 
Well Ive always been a believer that if you dont have enough you miss an opportunity for the most muscle growth and if you have too much it just gets turned into fuel to help repair the muscle anyhow.

From all Ive read PreWO is more important.I myself take 75gm pro/75gm carb shake 1/2hr or more before WO and take in 50gm pro post WO.Good luck!:thumbsup:
 
And to kindly point out, you posted this in the steriod section. try nutrition next time. Unless thats some new methyl whey I havent heard of yet.

But seriously, you will be given more consideration when you post the right questions in the right sections. Thanks--
 
pre-workout- 4:1 carbohydrate to protein ratio
post-workout- 3:1 carbohydrate to protein ratio

remember this is the time of the day when you can be using high GI carbs which will be converted to energy and restoring glycogen

these are based on studies done by my exercise physiology and advanced nutrition professors in college

no matter how big you are your body will not be able to absorb that much protein and it will most-likely store as fat

if you take in too much protein pre-workout, then your body will use it as a source for energy, which certainly is not optimal
 
I usually have of preWO shake with about 25g/whey and 10g casein and 80g carbs. Then sip on a shake throughout my workout. PWO I eat a meal about 30min after I'm done.
 
i figured it went here cause the question has to do with being on a cycle and how much protien you can asourb....
 
thanks i guess i have my post workout protien set... just need to work on pre workout did not know it was more important thanks for pointing that out
 
Tom 185 said:
pre-workout- 4:1 carbohydrate to protein ratio
post-workout- 3:1 carbohydrate to protein ratio

these are based on studies done by my exercise physiology and advanced nutrition professors in college
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I went to college too. None of my professors had an interest nor a basic working knowledge of bodybuilding nutrition. None of my profs were bodybuilders. I'm willing to bet my ass your profs mirror mine. Profs are not the best source of bodybuilding nutrition information, bro.. :)

Original poster: AAS actually makes your system more efficient at using protein for growth. This means that you can actually use less. I personally wouldn't mess with the guidelines that have worked in my personal practice. Here's the math for you (or anyone else) who might be interested:

60-90 minutes preworkout, have a solid, balanced meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
Adding fat at this point is fine, use your discretion as long as it fits into your macro goals.

30-0 minutes preworkout - (and/or sipped throughout the workout), have a liquid or easily digested meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
Fat should be minimized here. Guidelines aren't hard & fast, but I personally wouldn't exceed 20% of the cals of this meal, in other words, keep the fats here incidental, not added.

Sooner the better postworkout - within 30 minutes, but optimally ASAP, have either a liquid or solid meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.5g/lb TBW
Fats here should be kept minimal to moderate.
I personally start on this shake 60 minutes into my weight workouts, which take 80-90 minutes.

Post-postworkout is simply your next sheduled meal, whether it's 1, 2, or 3 hrs later simply doesn't matter - especially if your immediate postworkout meal (which may be split up into 2 halves) was designed as above.

NOTE: The small differences are mainly geared toward simplifying the guidelines. The rest of the recommendations about food types are pretty much the same. Also note that I no longer give a damn about GI, it doesn't really make a difference one way or another. If you want high GI carbs pre and/or during training, go for it. As time has passed, GI has proven itself to be an irrelevant index. Insulinogenesis is a separate issue, and striving to keep insulin up during & postworkout is a great idea. This is accomplished by both food type & food amount, the latter being more important. There's obviously a lot more to this, but that's the important basics. The rest is fringe.
 
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alan aragon said:
I went to college too. None of my professors had an interest nor a basic working knowledge of bodybuilding nutrition. None of my profs were bodybuilders. I'm willing to bet my ass your profs mirror mine. Profs are not the best source of bodybuilding nutrition information, bro.. :)

Original poster: anabolic steroids actually makes your system more efficient at using protein for growth. This means that you can actually use less. I personally wouldn't mess with the guidelines that have worked in my personal practice. Here's the math for you (or anyone else) who might be interested:

60-90 minutes preworkout, have a solid, balanced meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
Adding fat at this point is fine, use your discretion as long as it fits into your macro goals.

30-0 minutes preworkout - (and/or sipped throughout the workout), have a liquid or easily digested meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
Fat should be minimized here. Guidelines aren't hard & fast, but I personally wouldn't exceed 20% of the cals of this meal, in other words, keep the fats here incidental, not added.

Sooner the better postworkout - within 30 minutes, but optimally ASAP, have either a liquid or solid meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.5g/lb TBW
Fats here should be kept minimal to moderate.
I personally start on this shake 60 minutes into my weight workouts, which take 80-90 minutes.

Post-postworkout is simply your next sheduled meal, whether it's 1, 2, or 3 hrs later simply doesn't matter - especially if your immediate postworkout meal (which may be split up into 2 halves) was designed as above.

NOTE: The small differences are mainly geared toward simplifying the guidelines. The rest of the recommendations about food types are pretty much the same. Also note that I no longer give a damn about GI, it doesn't really make a difference one way or another. If you want high GI carbs pre and/or during training, go for it. As time has passed, GI has proven itself to be an irrelevant index. Insulinogenesis is a separate issue, and striving to keep insulin up during & postworkout is a great idea. This is accomplished by both food type & food amount, the latter being more important. There's obviously a lot more to this, but that's the important basics. The rest is fringe.
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These are 2 guys that have mulitple master's degrees..they back all of their stuff up with science..everything makes great sense and we've done several tests in exercise physiology labs. Invalid Link Removed has a great post-workout drink that uses the 3:1 theory..they have nothing to do with my professors..GL is superior to GI yes...i still have many disagreements with what you are saying but to each his own..here is an attachment to one of my professors notepages..its not filled in completely..
 

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Tom 185 said:
These are 2 guys that have mulitple master's degrees..they back all of their stuff up with science..everything makes great sense and we've done several tests in exercise physiology labs. Invalid Link Removed has a great post-workout drink that uses the 3:1 theory..they have nothing to do with my professors..GL is superior to GI yes...i still have many disagreements with what you are saying but to each his own..here is an attachment to one of my professors notepages..its not filled in completely..
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Those guidelines are clearly not focused bodybuilding. And by the way, I don't care that they have "multiple masters degrees", I have students & clients who have MD's & PhD's.

This discussion will be interesting, I hope everyone enjoys watching it. Get you popcorn out, folks :)
 
alan aragon said:
Those guidelines are clearly not focused bodybuilding. And by the way, I don't care that they have "multiple masters degrees", I have students & clients who have MD's & PhD's.

This discussion will be interesting, I hope everyone enjoys watching it. Get you popcorn out, folks :)
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haha alright well we can agree to disagree. they both have phD's as well
 
rampage jackson said:
Not to break up this love fest...but Alan: does Tbw= Total Body Weight, or Target Body Weight?
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I define target bodyweight (TBW) as the weight you plan to hit within the next 6-12 months. This weight is determined by what your goals are for bodyfat and/or lean mass change. So for example, if someone wants to keep his BF stable & gain 10 lbs of muscle in the next 6 months (that's a pretty tall order for advanced guys close to their potential), then just add 10 lbs to your current BW & base the calculations on that. Target BW is something that has to be periodically re-evaluated.

And let me also emphasized that formulas are merely tools to get you in the ballpark, they're not set in stone by any means. In fact, awareness of your historical intake is the best starting point. Formulas come in handy for people without an awareness of their historical intake due to haphazard or inconsistent intake. Thus for them, formulas can establish a reasonable starting point from which to put to trial & adjust as necessary.
 
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