Anyone Gonna Watch Elite XC?

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Should be a pretty good card. I don't have Showtime, so unless I find someone who does, I think I'll be missing this one until I figure out the damn Bittorrent for Macs thing. Looks like there are some interesting fights.

I hope Renzo beats Frankie's arse.
 
I'll probably go to a friends and watch it. What does the rest of the card look like? I think Frank will win pretty easily.
 
I'd definitely be into watching this but I'll be out at a casino (sportsbook maybe??). solid card. should be quite entertaining.

Frank Shamrock vs. Renzo Gracie
David Loiseau vs. Joey Villasenor
Antonio Silva vs. Wes "Cabbage" Correira
Gina Carano vs. Julie Kedzie
Charles Bennett vs. K.J. Noons

Prelims:
Javier Vazquez vs. Adriano Periera
Mike Pyle vs. Ross Ebanez
John Shackelford vs. Edson Berto
Bo Cantrell vs. Tim Persey
Riki Fukuda vs. Seth Kleinbeck
 
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Shamrock will definitely be a huge favorite. I just don't like his attitude, constant empty threats with Baroni, and screwing over an org by signing another contract. Renzo beat Militech and Newton, but Frank's probably in another class. He's fought so little that it is hard to say what kind of skill he'll have.
 
True. If he is half the fighter he used to be Renzo will be in trouble. Good to see Javy Vasquez on the card, I don't think he has fought in quite some time. He's definitely a talented, and exciting grappler. Pretty good overall, Crow/Villasenor should be good, and I always love watching Crazy Horse. I've heard Noons is no joke, so Crazy Horse will probably be racking up another notch in the L column, in exciting fashion of course.
 
Frank Shamrock is going to destroy Renzo. It is going to be a brutal KO. I look forward to watching it. Another fighter I am looking forward to seeing is KJ Noons.
 
But Frank hasn't fought a real fight in like seven years.

I think this is going to be more competitive than a lot of folks are thinking. Plus, Renzo actually seems to be getting better as he gets older.
 
Gina's definitely a hottie. Frank should win by KO, but it is hard to guage his abilities these days. I'm excited for Villa/Crow and for the semi-freakshow match Cabbage/Antonio. I'll probably look for it on P2P.
 
This is actually pretty cool. Instead of bickering over the rights to Frankie, Strikeforce and Elite XC formed some sort of union. Baroni - Shammy on Showtime would be cool too...if it happens.

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In the aftermath of the struggle over Frank Shamrock (Pictures), Strikeforce and EliteXC announced a "strategic alliance" Wednesday afternoon that opens the door for co-promoted cards featuring Shamrock on Showtime-distributed pay-per-view.

Following Shamrock's fight Feb. 10 versus Renzo Gracie (Pictures) — a bout that was in jeopardy until Strikeforce and EliteXC came to terms late Monday evening — Showtime will broadcast joint Strikeforce/EliteXC cards beginning with an April pay-per-view showdown between Shamrock and Phil Baroni (Pictures).

Showtime, a premium cable network, makes its MMA broadcast debut on Feb. 10 with a five-bout card headlined by Shamrock-Gracie at the DeSoto Civic Center in Southaven, Miss.
 
I hope that Shamrock beats Baroni for 14 minutes with fists and then ends it with a brutal knee bar.

Back to Elite XC, the fights look like they will be entertaining. Noons is a good boxer and kickboxer so seeing him against Bennett should be interesting. Cabbage and Silva should be a sloppy and heavy punching match. Loiseau and Villasenor should provide a competitive fight. Shamrock back in action is worth watching. Lastly, Carano is fun to look at.

An aside, in an interview on Sherdog, Bennett stated he knocked out Wanderlei Silva in a backstage fight at a Pride event.
 
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Predictions for tonight:

Frank Shamrock vs. Renzo Gracie - Shamrock via KO
David Loiseau vs. Joey Villasenor - Loiseau via KO
Antonio Silva vs. Wes "Cabbage" Correira - Cabbage via KO
Gina Carano vs. Julie Kedzie - Carano via rear NAKED choke ;)
Charles Bennett vs. K.J. Noons - Noons via KO

A night full of knockouts! :D
 
I'm watching this for Julie Kedzie.. Seen a few of her fights and she is the Hook N Shoot women's champion here. It should be a good fight, Gina being a stand up fighter, and Julie more of a submission fighter...
 
size said:
Predictions for tonight:

Frank Shamrock vs. Renzo Gracie - Shamrock via KO
David Loiseau vs. Joey Villasenor - Loiseau via KO
Antonio Silva vs. Wes "Cabbage" Correira - Cabbage via KO
Gina Carano vs. Julie Kedzie - Carano via rear NAKED choke ;)
Charles Bennett vs. K.J. Noons - Noons via KO

A night full of knockouts! :D
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Not believing the A. Silva hype after the last one? I'll take Silva by ref stoppage and Carano by decision instead of sub, but I like your other picks.

I've noticed that you don't see too many KO's in womens MMA, this is just fight finder research, though.
 
size said:
Predictions for tonight:

Frank Shamrock vs. Renzo Gracie - Shamrock via KO
David Loiseau vs. Joey Villasenor - Loiseau via KO
Antonio Silva vs. Wes "Cabbage" Correira - Cabbage via KO
Gina Carano vs. Julie Kedzie - Carano via rear NAKED choke ;)
Charles Bennett vs. K.J. Noons - Noons via KO

A night full of knockouts! :D
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I agree with most except I'll take Junior Silva by KO, and Carano by TKO, hell I'm gonna take Krazy Horse by KO too. Guy Mezger is commentating, and I heard the production blows. You can watch the Prelims for free, there is a link at Sherdog, but its not working for me:frustrate
 
I wonder if a female has ever dropped trau' to make weight...I'm just sayin'... :ntome:

This should be over relatively soon, right?
EDIT: Just realized there's play by play on sherdog....there's still a lot left!
 
Obviously I haven't been following MMA for long, so I don't know much about Shamrock, but he seems like a ****. Turns out he's a bigger douche than I had ever thought possible.
FRANK SHAMROCK VS. RENZO GRACIE

R1: Shamrock looks solid on his feet throwing leg kicks early but after clinching with Renzo against the cage, he's taken down. Gracie maintained side control and also secured a second takedown later in the round. MMAWeekly scores the 1st round 10-9 Renzo Gracie

R2: Gracie again starts the round with another takedown. While on the ground, Gracie was working on side control when Shamrock kneed him twice to the side of the head, causing Herb Dean to stop the action due to the illegal knee strike to the head on the ground. Gracie rolled over in obvious pain and unfortunately was unable to continue.

Renzo Gracie wins by disqualification due to illegal knee strikes to the head while on the ground from Frank Shamrock 2:00 Round 2.
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*from MMA Weekly

I didn't see it, but he obviously was losing. I'm sure he'll come out with some excuse about having fought under different rules in the past.
 
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Pretty entertaining card. Carano is impressive. Krazy Horse is dumber than ever. Junior Silva is pretty much for real. The Crow lost his gusto. Frank and his wife/girlfriend are idiots. He acted like he didn't know he illegally kneed Renzo on the ground, then once they show it, he admits and states that he thought this was a fight, not a wrestling match. Then he attempts to act like he really had no clue about the rules. His wife manages to step in and say that Renzo pussed out, what an ignorant whore. Frank knows the friggin rules and the way he was setting up those knees with his hand behind Renzo's head and then releasing the hand and kneeing simultaneously was very pre-meditated. I kind of liked Frank until tonight. I now am with Beowulf, and think he is a fool. As far as the actual fight, I was shocked at how easily Renzo could take Frank down. At the same time, he was not doing much on the ground and Frank was doing more damage on the bottom than Renzo was on the top. 50/50 who would've won the fight. I actually think Baroni will beat Frank if they fight.
 
Sounds like Frank looked like **** from the play-by-play. Didn't see it, just read along. Apparantly, Frank says he's too "old school" for these new rules. Does anyone like Frank anymore?
 
A bunch of people on Sherdog are claiming that Renzo wanted out of the fight and was faking. I really doubt that, considering he refused to submit while Sakuraba broke his arm. Based on the PBP it sounds like Renzo controlled everything, so why would he want out?

I hope Baroni smashes Frank.

(Though I should see the fight before I complain too much.)
 
To me it looked like Renzo didn't wanna stand against Frank.. The shots to the head were kinda dirty, he should've kept to the kidneys like he did first round..

Rematch! :D
 
bigpetefox said:
To me it looked like Renzo didn't wanna stand against Frank.. The shots to the head were kinda dirty, he should've kept to the kidneys like he did first round..

Rematch! :D
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Of course he didn't want to stand with Frank, but most thought he would have to, but he did a great job with the takedowns. I really remember Frank having a much better takedown defense. I could care less about Frank Shamrock, we waited 8 years for him to have a real comeback fight and then he does some BS, and won't man up to it:sad:
 
Alexander said:
Pretty entertaining card. Carano is impressive.
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Too bad the bell rang when it did in that last round. That last take down looked brutal!
Krazy Horse is dumber than ever.
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What, you didn't like the back flips off the top of the cage?
Frank knows the friggin rules and the way he was setting up those knees with his hand behind Renzo's head and then releasing the hand and kneeing simultaneously was very pre-meditated.
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I noticed that right away...Frank was getting beat and couldn't do anything about it, so he blatantly broke the rules in an attempt to level the playing field. I somehow missed The Crow's fight, but the other fights that I saw weren't bad. I'll definitely be looking for their next card.
 
The back flips are nice, but damn that guy doesn't make a bit of sense. Villasenor dominated the Crow. As far as I'm concerned the Crow no longer has the eye of the tiger, at all. I can't imagine what's going through his head, he looked even worse than he did against Swick. I feel Junior Silva is the real deal. I'd like to see him in Pride's SHW divison if they ever get that rolling. I see him giving pretty much anyone a lot of trouble. He's solid all around and at 300# he moves like he's 220. That loss to Eric Pele was kind of BS, he did get clipped, but he was still in the fight, it was stopped prematurely.
 
Hey guys. So, I guess I'm alone in the opinion that it was just boring. Also, while they were probably the best fight of the night, I would've payed more attention to the ladies had they been topless. That wasn't fair, I know...but I'm sayin'...:D And apparently there is a "Shamrock gene" that causes them to be heavyweight @ssholes in and out of the ring. Oh and I REALLY hope that Goldberg won't be a permanent commentator. I think that was the 2nd thing that was annoying me most. But whatever, I'd much rather watch EliteXC over boxing any day.
 
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I really remember Frank having a much better takedown defense.
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It's hard to say. Frank was taken down easily by Tito, Eugene Jackson, and I think Horn got him down quite a few times. Tito and Horn were probably fighting at 20 lbs heavier than Frank, though.
 
Rogue Drone said:
I think those were better fights and a better production than the one Bodog put on.

Frank Shamrock is a slimy SOB, smirking then rationalizing his foul. Renzo was doing well, using the Gracie ground strategy, and Sham was too, until he choose to make up his own rules.

**** him, hope Baroni beats him to a pulp. That's hard to say, I'm no fan of the "Best Eva".

I like Mauro and that Goldberg is, I'm biased since I know him, is less irritating IMO than the UFC one. Bill G. knows MMA quite well, he's required to promote the product and dumb it down some to the general knowledge level of the audience.

Those two women can fight, a very nice showing by both.

I haven't seen the Villasenor fight yet, it does not suprise me to hear that he dominated Louisea, I've always been impressed with his intensity and skills.

I liked that Bennett backflip, that was nicely done. He may be crazy as an S**thouse Rat, but at least he does'nt cheat.

All in all, props to Showtime, I think it was a fine first production.
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Yeah, the production was pretty good. Goldberg is not bad at all, and I'm really starting to like Mauro a lot. Bennett's been doing those backflips for years in KOTC and other promotions, but I remember the first time I saw him do it I was very impressed. The lack of set up is amazing. As soon as his second foot makes it to the top of the cage he jumps with no preperation. It wasn't the best show ever, but it really exceeded my expectations.
 
jas123 said:
It's hard to say. Frank was taken down easily by Tito, Eugene Jackson, and I think Horn got him down quite a few times. Tito and Horn were probably fighting at 20 lbs heavier than Frank, though.
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Yeah, I'll have to watch those fights again. I remember Tito having trouble taking Frank down, but it was later in the fight when Tito was gassing. I guess its all part of his not wasting any energy theme. He'd rather get taken down, than burn energy fighting it.
 
Scroll down to the Gracie/Shamrock coverage and you can see a gif of the knees. They look a lot worse than many people have described, and they appear clearly deliberate. Sham is holding Gracie's head, and right at the moment of impact he moves his arm to land on the head. There is no way he didn't feel Renzo's hair. He would have noticed ape-like shoulders if Renzo had them. I don't doubt Renzo's claims of blurred vision. Bump the back of your head lightly against a wall and you'll see your vision getting messed up.
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BTW, on the topic of Tito, I saw him on Inside the UFC. If he really trains like he claims to, he must be overtraining, no?
 
I watched the Elite XC and I was disappointed. I seem to have a different take on the Shamrock vs Gracie fight than most.

First one needs to note that EliteXC has a 15 second clock that one must advance on the ground or the fighter are forced to stand backup after being warned. So I think Shamrock fully intended to use this to his advantage while on the ground.

While standing Shamrock clearly had the advantage, he hit Gracie with good leg kicks and some good punching. Gracie landed nothing. Gracie seemd to take Shamrock down rather easily. Once on the ground, I actually thought Shamrock was doing more damage than Gracie. No one seems to mention this, but for the most part Gracie stayed in cross body while Shamrock kneed him repeatedly in the side and kidneys. Gracie never advanced and Shamrock never looked in any trouble. Shamrock seemed content to stay there kneeing until the clock made them stand up. In regards, to the knees that caused the DQ, I think the first knee hit him in the side of the head/neck. I thought on the second knee he was trying to land the same strike by pushing the head away and opening up the side of neck/head. Outside of a few elbows/forearms by Gracie on top, he did not do much except stay in crossbody. I really felt that Shamrock was doing much more damage on the feet and ground than Gracie.

I also think that part of Shamrock's attitude is him promoting himself. This reminds me of how Tito Ortiz promoted himself. He does not mind taking on the bad guy role as he knows it will pay him. He and Renzo will now fight again and get payed again. On the other hand, Renzo seems like a genuinely nice person.

Noons looked really good early in the fight. He was hitting Bennett with some solid leg kicks and it was obvious that Bennett was not going to be able to take to many more. However, Noons decided to stop with just using leg kicks and decided to trade. Bennett hit Noons with a body shot and Noons dropped his left hand, then Bennett hit him with a very solid right. If Noons would have fallen to guard instead of rolling to his back, the fight would have continued.

Silva looked like a much better and faster fighter than Cabbage. He went for take downs, tried to advance position and threw strikes while on the ground. While standing, he threws kicks, strikes, and a knee. He looked like a much more polished fighter than Cabbage.

Villasenor looked very good in his fight and he absolutely dominated Loiseau. Loiseau did not look like he even wanted to be there, and I honestly wonder if this was his last fight. Loiseau mounted no attack until the last round and still it was not much of an attack. Villasenor looked solid on his feet and moved like a boxer. On the ground he made excellent transitions and did damage. Villasenor should have been the fighter of the night as he displayed a well rounded fight game.

Carano vs Kedzie was entertaining while on the feet. Carano was obviously a superior striker. She looks excellent on her feet. She easily hit Kedzie seemingly at will. On the ground, it seemed as if neither was comfortable and both even looked a little lost. At the end of the fight, Carano still looked cute and Kedzie looked beat up. A good fight to watch and a good intro for women in mma.

Overall, I thought the production was okay. The volume seemed off but that could have been my feed. I thought the intros were terrible as fighters walked out of some silly looking horse head. Mauro did a good job with the play by play. I thought Goldberg was bad and annoying. However, he did seem to understand the fighting and techniques. As usual in MMA in the USA the crowd booed.
 
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Beowulf said:
Scroll down to the Gracie/Shamrock coverage and you can see a gif of the knees. They look a lot worse than many people have described, and they appear clearly deliberate. Sham is holding Gracie's head, and right at the moment of impact he moves his arm to land on the head. There is no way he didn't feel Renzo's hair. He would have noticed ape-like shoulders if Renzo had them. I don't doubt Renzo's claims of blurred vision. Bump the back of your head lightly against a wall and you'll see your vision getting messed up.
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BTW, on the topic of Tito, I saw him on Inside the UFC. If he really trains like he claims to, he must be overtraining, no?
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Thanks for the gifs. Those knees look pretty brutal from that angle. I took a spinning backfist to the back of the head once and my equilibrium was off for a few days. Not a good place to get hit.

Interesting to hear a different opinion, Size. I'll have to watch it soon.

My take on the Crow is that he never recovered from the beating he took from Franklin.

One last thing, WTF is with this Kit Cope dude popping up everywhere? First, it was MTV True Life, then he's testing positive for EQ, then it's some cheesy show on Spike, and then he's in Carano's post-fight interview video. I don't know, he just annoys me.
 
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jas123 said:
Thanks for the gifs. Those knees look pretty brutal from that angle. I took a spinning backfist to the back of the head once and my equilibrium was off for a few days. Not a good place to get hit. I don't know, he just annoys me.

Interesting to hear a different opinion, Size. I'll have to watch it soon.

My take on the Crow is that he never recovered from the beating he took from Franklin.

One last thing, WTF is with this Kit Cope dude popping up everywhere? First, it was MTV True Life, then he's testing positive for EQ, then it's some cheesy show on Spike, and then he's in Carano's post-fight interview video.
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It's gotta be the ears!
 
size said:
I watched the Elite XC and I was disappointed. I seem to have a different take on the Shamrock vs Gracie fight than most.

First one needs to note that EliteXC has a 15 second clock that one must advance on the ground or the fighter are forced to stand backup after being warned. So I think Shamrock fully intended to use this to his advantage while on the ground.

While standing Shamrock clearly had the advantage, he hit Gracie with good leg kicks and some good punching. Gracie landed nothing. Gracie seemd to take Shamrock down rather easily. Once on the ground, I actually thought Shamrock was doing more damage than Gracie. No one seems to mention this, but for the most part Gracie stayed in cross body while Shamrock kneed him repeatedly in the side and kidneys. Gracie never advanced and Shamrock never looked in any trouble. Shamrock seemed content to stay there kneeing until the clock made them stand up. In regards, to the knees that caused the DQ, I think the first knee hit him in the side of the head/neck. I thought on the second knee he was trying to land the same strike by pushing the head away and opening up the side of neck/head. Outside of a few elbows/forearms by Gracie on top, he did not do much except stay in crossbody. I really felt that Shamrock was doing much more damage on the feet and ground than Gracie.

I also think that part of Shamrock's attitude is him promoting himself. This reminds me of how Tito Ortiz promoted himself. He does not mind taking on the bad guy role as he knows it will pay him. He and Renzo will now fight again and get payed again. On the other hand, Renzo seems like a genuinely nice person.

Noons looked really good early in the fight. He was hitting Bennett with some solid leg kicks and it was obvious that Bennett was not going to be able to take to many more. However, Noons decided to stop with just using leg kicks and decided to trade. Bennett hit Noons with a body shot and Noons dropped his left hand, then Bennett hit him with a very solid right. If Noons would have fallen to guard instead of rolling to his back, the fight would have continued.

Silva looked like a much better and faster fighter than Cabbage. He went for take downs, tried to advance position and threw strikes while on the ground. While standing, he threws kicks, strikes, and a knee. He looked like a much more polished fighter than Cabbage.

Villasenor looked very good in his fight and he absolutely dominated Loiseau. Loiseau did not look like he even wanted to be there, and I honestly wonder if this was his last fight. Loiseau mounted no attack until the last round and still it was not much of an attack. Villasenor looked solid on his feet and moved like a boxer. On the ground he made excellent transitions and did damage. Villasenor should have been the fighter of the night as he displayed a well rounded fight game.

Carano vs Kedzie was entertaining while on the feet. Carano was obviously a superior striker. She looks excellent on here feet. She easily hit Kedzie seemingly at will. On the ground, it seemd as if neither was comfortable and both even looked a little lost. At the end of the fight, Carano still looked cute and Kedzie looked beat up. A good fight to watch and a good intro for women in mma.

Overall, I thought the production was okay. The volume seemed off but that could have been my feed. I thought the intros were terrible as fighters walked out of some silly looking horse head. Mauro did a good job with the play by play. I thought Goldberg was bad and annoying. However, he did seem to understand the fighting and techniques. As usual in MMA in the USA the crowd booed.
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Seems to me like you don't read many of other peoples posts, because I stated exactly what you are saying about the Shamrock/Gracie fight. Frank was doing more damage on the ground and that the fight could have gone either way before the stoppage. As far as Noons rolling to his back to keep the fight going, well thats kind of hard to do when you're in la la land.
 
Sir Savage said:
I think Cope is dating Carano.

Talk about a travesty.
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Yeah, unfortunately I think this is true. Was it the sports bra or does Carano have a straight up d-cup. I always thought she was good looking for a fighter, well she's good looking for whatever.
 
Alexander said:
Seems to me like you don't read many of other peoples posts, because I stated exactly what you are saying about the Shamrock/Gracie fight...As far as Noons rolling to his back to keep the fight going, well thats kind of hard to do when you're in la la land.
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I stated "I seem to have a different take on the Shamrock vs Gracie fight than most".

In regards to Noons, it is definitely a difficult task to roll to guard after getting hit hard. I could not help but think when it happened that he was responding more like a boxer(which he is) rather than MMA fighter. I wondered if a more experienced practioner of MMA would have fallen onto his back to pull guard in hopes to regain his composure.
 
size said:
I stated "I seem to have a different take on the Shamrock vs Gracie fight than most".

In regards to Noons, it is definitely a difficult task to roll to guard after getting hit hard. I could not help but think when it happened that he was responding more like a boxer(which he is) rather than MMA fighter. I wondered if a more experienced practioner of MMA would have fallen onto his back to pull guard in hopes to regain his composure.
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Oh, sorry, I just wasn't sure if you read through the thread or not. And you are probably right, an experienced MMA fighter probably would've fallen to guard.
 
Alexander said:
Oh, sorry, I just wasn't sure if you read through the thread or not.
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It really is not this thread that is making it sound so bad(this forum is rather open and honest about mma). However, other places on the net that I have read are describing the fight as if Shamrock was getting destroyed and I simply do not see how people can see it like that. My only guess is that Shamrock is an ass and Renzo is a nice guy so people are much more willing to give Renzo the edge.
 
Alexander said:
Yeah, unfortunately I think this is true. Was it the sports bra or does Carano have a straight up d-cup. I always thought she was good looking for a fighter, well she's good looking for whatever.
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Here's an interesting (and serious) question- is it possible to submit via boobs? 'Cause if it is, "big" girls have something else to worry about.
 
Sir Savage said:
Here's an interesting (and serious) question- is it possible to submit via boobs? 'Cause if it is, "big" girls have something else to worry about.
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Some bjj guys may have an answer. I wonder if they could be used to smother the opponent and cut off air in a gi. Maybe it's ridiculous but I'm not gonna stop picturing it in my head.
 
Actually, looking back over it, let me clarify what I mean. What I mean is, could you attack and submit that point, and are there rules in place for that?
 
Sir Savage said:
Actually, looking back over it, let me clarify what I mean. What I mean is, could you attack and submit that point, and are there rules in place for that?
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Do you mean like pounding the boobs, or putting elbow pressure on them? This is out of control.
 
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