Global Warming Man-Made, Will Continue
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DAdams91982
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Don't give human beings so much credit. COULD IT BE... that MAYBE the sun burning hotter the last 100 or so years has ANYTHING to do with it? That study was done by a "Bunch of smart people."
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DAdams91982
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Oh Im not debating on if we should curb pollution.. I love breathing easier as much as the next guy. I was referencing mans hand in global warming. Im with you it ALWAYS better to cut pollution.
Albite Im DEFIANTELY got giving up my V8 Truck that gets oh maybe 13 miles to the gallon on a good day.
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klugman
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well that's very nice of you...but what is being done to constrain communist china and india? communist china is still using huge coal burning plants that belch out tons and tons of crap per minute.
I don't buy into man-made global warming. There is simply not enough evidence yet.
Moreover, I'm not giving up my 300+ hp mustang gt either.
Too much fun!
klugman
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well if you are so smart, prove it.
Also, how do you plan on getting the communist chinese to slow down?
I'll bet you don't drive a f*cking Prius or ford festiva...
"I'm so eco-friendly...I'm better than you..."
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CDB
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And yes, I know Lindzen once received money from ExxonMobile. As the other links show the groups funding and supporting the 'science' and attack campaigns on the other side of the global warming debate are no more free of political or ideological ties. And I'm sick of hearing about 'big oil' funding and Republican influence. Take a look at who is funding the proponent studies and attack campaigns. Take a look at the Invalid Link Removedthat shows the sheer size of government funding and hilites some of the potential biases and problems this creates. ExxonMobile gives money on the order of millions to try and discredit global warming. Between the federal government and private groups like Greenpeace and the Sierra Club pro global warming scientists and activists receive billions in grants for research and lobbying campaigns, and those people are not superhuman and are not immune from interjecting political influence and ideology into their side of the debate. Nor are they above avoiding asking questions or pursuing certain research avenues because of fear of loss of funding, some of which Lindzen detailed in the Opinion Journal piece. It just doesn't get investigated by many because the press have decided what side of this debate they are supporting, and have assumed for the most part that any and all 'science' funded by the government through universities must be impartial and devoid of any bias.
riskarb
Ron Paul... phuck yeah!
It's not lost on me that you quickly replied as though you somehow knew that your eco-delusion = Republicon.
Implementation is another, terribly difficult problem. Sticking your head in the sand is an awesome response. Intelligence is a Libertarian trait, thanks. Yeah, we've gotta address the problem rather than make analogs to a time when 400 volcanoes were erupting simultaneously.
I do own a Prius; but I also own an an X5 and a 7-series. Neither of the latter I will buy again. Next time it's a Lexus hybrid.
La la lalala la... everything will be A-OK!
riskarb
Ron Paul... phuck yeah!
CDB: You're one of the more literate guys here, but damning both sides for playing politics is digressive/tangential. Both sides spend God-awful billions to make their case... which case is more plausible? It's rhetorical, I know what the response will be. Anyway, I value your opinion.
klugman
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your the one in la-la land.
3 cars and you're calling me delusional. I guess all that nuance and gravitas you posses gives you the right to pollute so much more.
The whole Lexus hybrid thing is laughable as well.
somewhatgifted
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I heed the advice of the inteligent, but damn it look outside, the sun doesnt affect the oceans acidity (caused by co2) green house gases accumulating in the atmosphere, or death of rainforests and coral reefs. How could we not have casued this? blaming the sun is just validating a lack of accountability, the problem we caused isnt our fault. Regaurdless of what is causing what, we still over pollute and it needs to change, worrying about china or the sun takes away from the focus and makes it look hopeless. Reminds me of the comedic ignorance used by dennis leary "*******". Excess is manly.
riskarb
Ron Paul... phuck yeah!
My family is rich as a Saudi. Yeah, the irony was intended. I've got a lot of kids and hangers-on, hence the three cars. The house is too large, but it's loaded with active and passive solar. I can sell power back to the grid. I need a vehicle to haul the kids... and the Lexus is the most efficient choice. I realize it can be construed as elitist. Phuck it, I just don't care. It's not the quite the same as owning 3 H1 Humvees.
I don't take comfort in the fact I too am a polluter -- I take steps to reduce output.
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brass monkey
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When a CFC is released on earth it takes twenty years for it to reach the ozone layer. Then the chloro molecule attaches itself to a ozone molecule and destroys it. That one chloro molecule moves on and repeats the process thousands of times even though cfc have been banned the real damage is unknown. Now i love my v8 just as much as the next guy but the thought of my grandchildren suffering ways heavy on me. The U.S. needs to ween itself off of foreign oil anyway. As for foreign countries still unregulated, we cant control whats out of our control we can only hope they come around, and try to force them through sanctions.
somewhatgifted
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Some clips i came across today.
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Some clips i came across today.
Jayhawkk
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So since we can't do anything about the other countries we should just sit back and do nothing? The US has been on the cutting edge in every other industry why not here too? Take the first steps and make the choices and the world will follow. I can imagine the rest of the world looking at us and saying, "Look how much the US pollutes and they don't do ****...Why should we?"
It's a big ass circle jerk. The end result is that we should cut back. I'm not saying toss your damned HO mustang. I'm saying start somewhere.
It's a big ass circle jerk. The end result is that we should cut back. I'm not saying toss your damned HO mustang. I'm saying start somewhere.
somewhatgifted
Registered User
Sounds interesting, hopefully it doesnt create a new problem by trying to fix an old problem, but i agree we have to do something.
somewhatgifted
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This sums up my opinion, no more passing the buck and making it accountability free.
anabolicrhino
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This would be a great f-ing planet if it wasn't for the humans!!!
It has always fascinated me how science and politics can seperate humans form the rest of the Earth, like we are some kind of foriegn invader intent on destroying our only known means of survival.
So, humans are stupid and evil and are destined to live in scarcity
and eternal war for survival? Wow, what a great planet!
If the Earth is so great, why doesnt it just fix itself?
"bah!...puny humans"- The Hulk
It has always fascinated me how science and politics can seperate humans form the rest of the Earth, like we are some kind of foriegn invader intent on destroying our only known means of survival.
So, humans are stupid and evil and are destined to live in scarcity
and eternal war for survival? Wow, what a great planet!
If the Earth is so great, why doesnt it just fix itself?
"bah!...puny humans"- The Hulk
CDB
Registered User
Indeed, which is? Will the world end in a toaster oven or will the Earth keep going as it's always done with maybe a hiccup here and there? Based on the amount of times people have cried wolf in the past, and claimed the only salvation was to be found in giving them money and power, I remain a skeptic.