Anavar and HCG?

[lbliftzz]

Hello, I am 21, and currently 6’1” 175 lbs. I have been lifting consistently about a year now. I am very lean and have attached a physique photo for reference. I have done a 4 week cycle of igf-1 lr3 (40mcg daily), and two separate cycles of mk-677 recently (20 mg 5 days on 2 days off). I want a bit more of a boost and I am wondering how an anavar and hcg cycle would work. The reason I want to go with var is because I highly prioritize lean aesthetics and also want to avoid most of the big sides that come with something like exogenous test or primo. However, I’ve still heard that var can shut down natural test production and the last thing I want is shrunken balls or infertility. This just seems to be on paper a great beginner cycle that would have minimal long term negatives. But I don’t know much about the AAS world so I was hoping for some input from some of yall. Also I plan on getting bloodwork done before starting just to make sure I have no underlying issues. Thanks!

 

[gphagan1]

You really don’t want your first cycle to be oral even if it’s Anavar. Anavar can crash your lipids and it will start to shutdown natural testosterone production because of the anabolic feedback loop. I always recommend Testosterone only for a first cycle. But you are young and have only been lifting for a year, so you should hold off a little while and take advantage of your young testosterone levels and newbie gains. You have already done a fantastic job naturally, just stick to it because you still have a lot of natural gains left on the table. Look into some of the natural anabolics and muscle builders in the supplement section first.
And again great job on what you have done, keep up the good work.

 

[lbliftzz]

You really don’t want your first cycle to be oral even if it’s Anavar. Anavar can crash your lipids and it will start to shutdown natural testosterone production because of the anabolic feedback loop. I always recommend Testosterone only for a first cycle. But you are young and have only been lifting for a year, so you should hold off a little while and take advantage of your young testosterone levels and newbie gains. You have already done a fantastic job naturally, just stick to it because you still have a lot of natural gains left on the table. Look into some of the natural anabolics and muscle builders in the supplement section first.
And again great job on what you have done, keep up the good work.

I appreciate you thanks so much

 

[AwakeningAlpha]

@gphagan1 has the right idea. I'd go natty anabolics ( they're great ) , injectable L- carnitine, and maybe GH peptides before considering AAS.
Before that, optimize the basics for a few years while your hormones are primed to grow anyway. Hormonally at 20, You're basically on cycle. With only a year under your belt there is plenty of newbie gains, training and diet changes to be made to achieve what you want. Don't crash your test forever for a quicker approach short term. If you are lean, just pushing the clean carbs can really upgrade your look.

I'd also still get the bloodwork. Lot of good intel to be garnered from that whether you're hopping on or not.

Source : 38 year old natty plus pep bodybuilder who trains with guys sauced to the gills

 

[Hyde]

Agree with above. I started using AAS when I was 21 after several years in the gym, but only something like 8 months of squats and deadlifting, proper full body. I grew more in the first 6 months of NATURAL serious eating and barbell work than the previous 2.5 years of aimless machines & benchpress with no programming or guidance. My biggest regret is not spending a couple more years REALLY learning about training and diet, because I could have kept going well naturally then.

I thought I knew enough, but you can’t know what you don’t know - and I PROMISE there’s more to learn that will continue to help you progress well naturally right now. I was blown away when I later met natural guys who had built so much more strength and muscle, just because they had gotten the knowledge and coaching that is the foundation of progress (with or without gear).

Focus on the GH-releasing peptides and injectable L-Carnitine for now. Most people don’t understand the GH peptides are actually most effective in younger bodies; by the time you are in your 30s it’s better to use GH directly, because the natural production isn’t very good and they only boost the system in place. But at 21, Mk677 works much better for you than me at age 36.

L-Carn isn’t a huge player but it does help physique development, pump & endurance , it’s purely good for your health, and will get you used to doing injections with a slinpin. Then if/when it’s time to do your first AAS cycle down the road, you can comfortably do it the right way with a bit of testosterone. Injecting won’t be scary or confusing.

This way you keep your health, your legality, the advantage of your youth for now, and get to save AAS for when you truly have everything more figured out in a couple years if you decide to make that choice. It can have serious longterm health consequences, so my advice is don’t play your ace as soon as you have gotten to the table - that’s not how you win. You need to play for the late game, where the stakes are high & rewards are much bigger.

 

[Smont]

Shredded , couple things to add. 1. Shrunken balls is hit or miss, some people's will shrivel up in 2 weeks, some never do. No matter what I take mine don't shrink, if yours do, hcg would prevent it in most cases.

2. The shorter oral cycles might offer less risk in the short term but you're repeatedly turning your nuts on and off for these little four to six week oral cycles. I see this leading to less games and more testicular damage over time. That is my bro-pinion but it also makes sense on paper.

Even though I also agree with everyone else that I would just go for the test, lots of ppl run orals for there first cycle, I'm not against people doing it anymore, but I will say this. It leads to this cycle where you gain 10 lb and then 30 days later you lose 10 lb and then you go back on and you gain 10 lb and then you come off in 30 days later you lose 10 lb again. Because short oral cycles don't give you enough time to build much actual muscle so you get all the cosmetic effects and then you come off and the cosmetic effects disappear and people think they lost their games but they just haven't really gained anything yet. You go on cycle for 6 weeks and you potentially could have lower testosterone for 6 months even with PCT. So you're pretty much always hopping on your next cycle not fully recovered yet.

 

[Hyde]

The shorter oral cycles might offer less risk in the short term but you're repeatedly turning your nuts on and off for these little four to six week oral cycles. I see this leading to less games and more testicular damage over time. That is my bro-pinion but it also makes sense on paper.

Even though I also agree with everyone else that I would just go for the test, lots of ppl run orals for there first cycle, I'm not against people doing it anymore, but I will say this. It leads to this cycle where you gain 10 lb and then 30 days later you lose 10 lb and then you go back on and you gain 10 lb and then you come off in 30 days later you lose 10 lb again. Because short oral cycles don't give you enough time to build much actual muscle so you get all the cosmetic effects and then you come off and the cosmetic effects disappear and people think they lost their games but they just haven't really gained anything yet. You go on cycle for 6 weeks and you potentially could have lower testosterone for 6 months even with PCT. So you're pretty much always hopping on your next cycle not fully recovered yet.

Right, which is why you should be against it.

I did it. I did it for EIGHT YEARS. And then I finally took 300mg test/wk with an oral after all that experience and still exploded in new growth.

Orals solo are a waste of time. They are nitrous to be added to a race engine at the right time for the right reason. If you put nitrous on a stock Honda Civic before building the engine properly & turbocharging it, you are stepping over dollars to pick up dimes.

If it was one cycle of Dbol or Anavar for 6 weeks before moving onto injections when you decide you like steroids, it would be fine. But instead it’s an endless yo-yo of wasted time & health.

 

[Halfnattyman44]

When I was your age I had been lifting for 5 years with decent progress. I tried all the andros, sarms, MK677, SERMS, etc. They gave me a little boost, I looked good on them and then after PCT I'd lose most of it. After a couple of years I gave all of that up with the idea I'll use natural stuff for now and try test if I want or need to in the future. A decade later I'm still just using natural stuff with just as good of results as the weaker oral anabolics. Check out SNS and CEL for some good things to try. My favorites are Anabolic XT, Alpha One, Basis, Phosphatidic Acid, Anabolic Effect, and Urolithin B. Try one of those for 8-12 weeks then try a different one. I also use Mtest but at your age there's probably no reason to.