First Time Cycle

[Lakersfan3186]

Hey everyone..I'm a 40 year old male with a little bit too much body fat cause of years of drinking and eating like trash...I have been working out for years and just recently have gotten on TRT...I'm on 200mg a week and am definitely getting visible results...now I have a few questions...I was thinking about running Anavar for my first real cycle as I hear it helps with fat loss...my diet is dialed in I hit my macros and stay in a deficit but I just have some real stubborn belly fat...would Anavar help with that or is there something better? Also when should I start taking N2Guard the same day as the Var? Week before? 2 weeks? And how long after I come off the Var should I keep on the N2? Thanks for your help!!

 

[Dustin07]

subscribing to see what the pharma pros offer here.
I have had a couple runs of var, but typically on a cut to preserve mass, or on a bulk chasing strength PRs. my personal observation wasn't an increase in fat loss outside of normal diet/NEAT.

 

[Jimbabwe]

Would generally not recommend any cycle until your body fat is at or below the 15% range because of the higher risk of estrogen-related side effects that would have to be managed due to the higher body fat percentage.

Definitely would not do any oral, because, based on your description, you have quite a bit of fat still to lose and wouldn't want to be on any oral for the amount of time it would take for it to matter to your physique.

 

[Smont]

Nothing wrong with some var alongside your trt, but I don't think it's going to do the type of fat burning You're expecting. Var is better than other steroids at burning fat, but you'd have better luck with an actual fat burner.

Also, n2guard is an overpriced gimmick I think it's like $100 a bottle or something stupid and it's very unnecessary. If I remember correctly it's a couple underdosed liver health supplements mixed in with what basically looks like a multivitamin. If you're overly concerned just get yourself some NAC and take 1200-1800mg/day

At higher body fat percentages I wouldn't expect you to see any cosmetic effects and I would also expect a little bump in your blood pressure. Ultimately your diet is going to determine the outcome but given all things being equal I'd expect you to see more strength gains than you did fat loss

 

[Renew1]

Nothing wrong with some var alongside your trt, but I don't think it's going to do the type of fat burning You're expecting. Var is better than other steroids at burning fat, but you'd have better luck with an actual fat burner.

Also, n2guard is an overpriced gimmick I think it's like $100 a bottle or something stupid and it's very unnecessary. If I remember correctly it's a couple underdosed liver health supplements mixed in with what basically looks like a multivitamin. If you're overly concerned just get yourself some NAC and take 1200-1800mg/day

At higher body fat percentages I wouldn't expect you to see any cosmetic effects and I would also expect a little bump in your blood pressure. Ultimately your diet is going to determine the outcome but given all things being equal I'd expect you to see more strength gains than you did fat loss

Yeah, Dylan used to push n2guard Hard. LOL.
What a racket. They made Tons off of that overpriced crap.

Yeah, I agree with what @Smont said about probably not seeing a lot of benefits on fat burning from Var. But that made me stronger than any other compound I can think of.

 

[Dustin07]

Would generally not recommend any cycle until your body fat is at or below the 15% range because of the higher risk of estrogen-related side effects that would have to be managed due to the higher body fat percentage.

Nothing wrong with some var alongside your trt, but I don't think it's going to do the type of fat burning You're expecting.

At higher body fat percentages I wouldn't expect you to see any cosmetic effects and I would also expect a little bump in your blood pressure.

eah, I agree with what @Smont said about probably not seeing a lot of benefits on fat burning from Var.

These are the comments I expected to see but definitely didnt' want to overstep with my limited experience-

 

[Smont]

These are the comments I expected to see but definitely didnt' want to overstep with my limited experience-

Its a very low risk little cycle, I just want him to understand that the "fat burning" aspect is a bit exaggerated. It's definitely batter then other steroids at burning fat with the exception of tren, but still no fat burner.


Like....... My VW Teguan will definitely beat my Ford ranger in a race, but that doesn't make my Volkswagen a race car lol

 

[Dustin07]

Like....... My VW Teguan will definitely beat my Ford ranger in a race, but that doesn't make my Volkswagen a race car lol

 

[dontfyourlife]

Agreed, wait on Anavar until you body's composition is more "user friendly".

But nothing wrong with adding CJC-1295 + Ipamorelin or if worried about visceral fat Tesamorelin.

*not all at the same time- start with one and see if there are any negative effects.

Would mention AOD-9604 but a lot of mixed reviews with results and more importantly you 100% need to be on a calorie deficit with AOD.

 

[Lakersfan3186]

I appreciate all the responses sounds like I need Tren....I joke lol..but seriously I'm nowhere near experienced enough to get on a cycle of Tren so I thought Anavar would be my best bet...and as far as body fat % I have no idea but I have muscular definition now that I started test but I have a stubborn stomach...my dr at the clinic swears the Anavar will do it...but granted he charges for the script so he will be making more money off me but at the same time it's bad business to lie to your customer when I can just go to another clinic...just trying to get other people's opinions who have used before or know more than I do

 

[BBiceps]

I appreciate all the responses sounds like I need Tren....I joke lol..but seriously I'm nowhere near experienced enough to get on a cycle of Tren so I thought Anavar would be my best bet...and as far as body fat % I have no idea but I have muscular definition now that I started test but I have a stubborn stomach...my dr at the clinic swears the Anavar will do it...but granted he charges for the script so he will be making more money off me but at the same time it's bad business to lie to your customer when I can just go to another clinic...just trying to get other people's opinions who have used before or know more than I do

Haha, yeah don’t buy from your clinic, those clinic Dr’s are just steroid dealers with a license. If you really want to run something with your TRT, Mast would be a better choice. You can run it for a lot longer without your lipids going to sh*t and would do pretty much the same thing as Var.

Best is to invest in a better diet (nobody with an “dialed in diet” have stubborn stomach fat) and maybe a fat burner.

 

[Lakersfan3186]

Haha, yeah don’t buy from your clinic, those clinic Dr’s are just steroid dealers with a license. If you really want to run something with your TRT, Mast would be a better choice. You can run it for a lot longer without your lipids going to sh*t and would do pretty much the same thing as Var.

Best is to invest in a better diet (nobody with an “dialed in diet” have stubborn stomach fat) and maybe a fat burner.

Nah I seriously eat grilled chicken and broccoli salmon and rice one protein bar for a snack a banana pre workout and 4 ounces ground turkey and a cup of egg whites after work (I work nights)..then a 60gram isolate shake to make sure I hit my protein...I did alot of damage to my body in 40 years of drinking lol let me see if I can upload before and most recent

 

[Lakersfan3186]

Before is the right photo and the most recent like 3 weeks ago is the left... I'm not bulking at all but my lifts in the gym are stronger and still going up imma assume from the 200mg of test...cutting is way more difficult than a bulk obviously

 

[BBiceps]

Sorry to say but that’s not “stubborn stomach fat”, that’s straight overweight fat and no steroid will help that.

“If” that’s what you eat, keep eating just that, except the protein bar, for an extended period of time (~6 months) and you will lose that weight. When you are below 15% bf (you’re +30% bf now) you can start thinking of adding another anabolic.

I’m not trying to be mean but it’s the hard truth. Keep pushing.

 

[Lakersfan3186]

Sorry to say but that’s not “stubborn stomach fat”, that’s straight overweight fat and no steroid will help that.

“If” that’s what you eat, keep eating just that, except the protein bar, for an extended period of time (~6 months) and you will lose that weight. When you are below 15% bf (you’re +30% bf now) you can start thinking of adding another anabolic.

I’m not trying to be mean but it’s the hard truth. Keep pushing.

If i don't eat the protein bar I won't get my macros...hell "gymbros" say I'm cutting to aggressive...why I can't lose the fat...they said on the test I should be eating more idk...nah I know I'm fat...never denied it lol..but I can see a difference in my belly for sure

 

[Dustin07]

If i don't eat the protein bar I won't get my macros...hell "gymbros" say I'm cutting to aggressive...why I can't lose the fat...they said on the test I should be eating more idk...nah I know I'm fat...never denied it lol..but I can see a difference in my belly for sure

what macros are you trying to hit? I personally think protein bars are dogshit for hitting macros, I haven't seen any that make sense for me. doesn't mean I won't have one occasionally (one a year maybe) but they're usually low on protein, mid to high on fat and carbs.

for those macros you could hardboil 18 eggs on Sunday and have them in your fridge all week long as a snack. I make ground turkey and rice every sunday and portion out 5 breakfasts that way. hard boiled eggs as snacks etc, and make salads with no dressing covered in chicken that gets me fiber and more lean protein. Right there I have the majority of my work already done sunday night, for the week.

Dinner during the weak we usually cook fish at least once, if not twice, lean meats, and cooked veggies like roasted brussels sprouts etc.

 

[Dustin07]

also, your arms look like they got bigger despite the stomach shrinking down, so something must be working. Stay the course, its a marathon!

 

[BBiceps]

If i don't eat the protein bar I won't get my macros...hell "gymbros" say I'm cutting to aggressive...why I can't lose the fat...they said on the test I should be eating more idk...nah I know I'm fat...never denied it lol..but I can see a difference in my belly for sure

Idk how much of said things you eat but protein bars are usually not that good nutritional wise, sometimes they can be good as a treat or when you’re on the go but I wouldn’t use them as a daily snack, especially not if I’m cutting.

Don’t listen to “gymbros”, get a nutritionist if you want to listen to anyone about your diet. Stay the course and be patient, it takes time

 

[BBiceps]

what macros are you trying to hit? I personally think protein bars are dogshit for hitting macros, I haven't seen any that make sense for me. doesn't mean I won't have one occasionally (one a year maybe) but they're usually low on protein, mid to high on fat and carbs.

for those macros you could hardboil 18 eggs on Sunday and have them in your fridge all week long as a snack. I make ground turkey and rice every sunday and portion out 5 breakfasts that way. hard boiled eggs as snacks etc, and make salads with no dressing covered in chicken that gets me fiber and more lean protein. Right there I have the majority of my work already done sunday night, for the week.

Dinner during the weak we usually cook fish at least once, if not twice, lean meats, and cooked veggies like roasted brussels sprouts etc.

All this is great!

 

[BBiceps]

Btw seeing how overweight you are and hearing that your “Clinic Dr” recommends Anavar just proves that they are “drug dealers with a license” that only cares about money and not what’s best for you.

 

[Lakersfan3186]

Btw seeing how overweight you are and hearing that your “Clinic Dr” recommends Anavar just proves that they are “drug dealers with a license” that only cares about money and not what’s best for you.

Does Anavar not preserve muscle during a deficit? Seems to me like a recomposition drug..idk that's why im asking...at some point such a drastic cut is gonna cause me to plateau on the weights right? And also without the protein bar I would need like 7 to 8 hard boiled eggs a day...that's if I only eat the white...according to all my apps at 258lbs my maintenance is around 3k calories...and Google fit is only that if I get my 10k daily steps in ( I do) I promise y'all I'm not getting 3k I'm barely getting 2k and thats if my protein shake is mixed with whole milk...the protein bar is pre workout cause of the carbs and then a banana post workout and sometimes even right before my incline walk (leg day squats back day deadlifts) I'm not eating 3k calories I assure you...treadmill says I burn 400 at my weight so I'm definitely not eating 3400 a day or even on weekends...if we eat out I'm eating a steak or chicken there too....maybe cortisol is the problem or maybe my genetics I can't get that low in body fat who knows?

 

[Dustin07]

what was your starting weight, what do you weight now, and how long did that take? You've clearly made progress, it sounds like you're pretty dang close with your nutritional approach and the protein bar preWO makes more sense.

in regards to the hard boiled eggs, yes they are low protein and a fat source. I also toss in avacados a fat source because they are satiating. but like I mentioned I cook a ton of ground turkey, lean ground beef, and chicken every sunday that is portioned out for the week. thats the majority of my protein intake. we also always have animal protein at dinner. if I think i'm particularly low I'll add a protein shake in my coffee or postWO.

Without knowing how many lbs you've lost so far and over what period of time its not really possible to say if you have underlying issues cause you've clearly lost weight already.

I would wait on the var, personally. You can still make a ton of progress with what you have.
is your doc planning to write you a script for the anavar or are you going black market? a lot of it is actually dbol passed off as anavar which is going to have the opposite effect on you anyways. I truly don't think you need it yet. especially since you already have trt support.

 

[Smont]

I treat protein bars as emergency protein or a treat
(some are pretty tasty) But for the most part there not great, real food always is better.

Many protein bars are 200-300 calories and 20-30gm protein.

1 cup fat free vanilla Greek yogurt is about 150 cal and 22 gm protein. Add 1/2 banana and 1 tbsp of powder peanut butter and your are at 225-250 cal and 25gm protein. 25-30gm carbs and 1gm fat and it tastes like you're having dessert. For an extra 50 calories I'll do a squirt of whipped cream and a sprinkle of mini chocolate chips lol

 

[Smont]

Nah I seriously eat grilled chicken and broccoli salmon and rice one protein bar for a snack a banana pre workout and 4 ounces ground turkey and a cup of egg whites after work (I work nights)..then a 60gram isolate shake to make sure I hit my protein...I did alot of damage to my body in 40 years of drinking lol let me see if I can upload before and most recent

I would say you're making progress! I can see a difference between those photos. The depth perception changes a few things but you most certainly have a smaller midsection in the current photo.

 

[BBiceps]

Does Anavar not preserve muscle during a deficit? Seems to me like a recomposition drug..idk that's why im asking...at some point such a drastic cut is gonna cause me to plateau on the weights right? And also without the protein bar I would need like 7 to 8 hard boiled eggs a day...that's if I only eat the white...according to all my apps at 258lbs my maintenance is around 3k calories...and Google fit is only that if I get my 10k daily steps in ( I do) I promise y'all I'm not getting 3k I'm barely getting 2k and thats if my protein shake is mixed with whole milk...the protein bar is pre workout cause of the carbs and then a banana post workout and sometimes even right before my incline walk (leg day squats back day deadlifts) I'm not eating 3k calories I assure you...treadmill says I burn 400 at my weight so I'm definitely not eating 3400 a day or even on weekends...if we eat out I'm eating a steak or chicken there too....maybe cortisol is the problem or maybe my genetics I can't get that low in body fat who knows?

At that fat level you’re at, Anavar (or any steroid for that matter) won’t do much more than screw your lipids up, it’s not worth it.

You don’t have “stubborn stomach fat”, you have an excessive amount of fat and excessive fat loss takes time, even bodybuilders start prep +20 weeks out from a show. Stay on track of what you’re doing and be patient, come back in 6 months and we give all cycle advices you need.

 

[Jimbabwe]

When you're at really high body fat levels, you don't really need to worry about muscle loss that much when dieting, as long as you're training hard.

Your body has plenty of fat stores to break down for energy, so if you are training hard and focusing on progressive overload, it will have little need to catabolize muscle tissue.

 

[Smont]

When you're at really high body fat levels, you don't really need to worry about muscle loss that much when dieting, as long as you're training hard.

Your body has plenty of fat stores to break down for energy, so if you are training hard and focusing on progressive overload, it will have little need to catabolize muscle tissue.

That's also a great point. You gotta be sub 10% body fat before worrying about loosing muscle. Lots of guys will see there "muscles shrinking" but what they don't realize is your loosing fat layered into your muscles. A 25% bf arm looks like a ribeye, a 10% bf muscle looks like filet mignon. This is where the illusion of losing muscle at higher bf comes from.

 

[botk1161]

Are you taking an AI with that TRT 200mg which is not TRT it’s a cycle. At your bodyfat that amount of test will create allot of estrogen. What is your E2 right now? I bet it’s very high. Imo the number one thing that will stop you from losing bodyfat is that test (high E2).

 

[jfigliuolo]

That's also a great point. You gotta be sub 10% body fat before worrying about loosing muscle. Lots of guys will see there "muscles shrinking" but what they don't realize is your loosing fat layered into your muscles. A 25% bf arm looks like a ribeye, a 10% bf muscle looks like filet mignon. This is where the illusion of losing muscle at higher bf comes from.View attachment 261014

All I got from this was...mmmmmmmmmm RIBEYE!

 

[Smont]

All I got from this was...mmmmmmmmmm RIBEYE!

 

[Smont]

All I got from this was...mmmmmmmmmm RIBEYE!

I heard someone on a podcast say that the fat arm was like a ribeye and it's always stuck in my head because it's a perfect example. I do love a good ribeye though. When the fat just dissolves with every bite

 

[Jimbabwe]

Are you taking an AI with that TRT 200mg which is not TRT it’s a cycle. At your bodyfat that amount of test will create allot of estrogen. What is your E2 right now? I bet it’s very high. Imo the number one thing that will stop you from losing bodyfat is that test (high E2).

200mg/wk is on the high end for a TRT prescription, but still would be a normal dose in the therapeutic range.

 

[botk1161]

200mg/wk is on the high end for a TRT prescription, but still would be a normal dose in the therapeutic range.

Most countries don’t allow more than 100mg for TRT prescription. There is a reason for that. Age and other factors mean allot with dosage amounts being taken for months and years especially if one is not getting bloodwork and self prescribing 200mg cause they heard that’s the dose. I for one develop out of range hemocrit when I do any cycle 200mg or more. Living like that is not a good idea. Anyhow this post is about bodyfat and I thought the guys estrogen may be high. Something he could check. Ty.

 

[Jimbabwe]

Most countries don’t allow more than 100mg for TRT prescription. There is a reason for that. Age and other factors mean allot with dosage amounts being taken for months and years especially if one is not getting bloodwork and self prescribing 200mg cause they heard that’s the dose. I for one develop out of range hemocrit when I do any cycle 200mg or more. Living like that is not a good idea. Anyhow this post is about bodyfat and I thought the guys estrogen may be high. Something he could check. Ty.

No need to get defensive; was just pointing out that 200mg/week is not an unusual dose for TRT. As you can see, I also mentioned Estrogen issues in my first post here, so it isn't like I disagree with the advice.

Would be interested in knowing which countries have a hard cap on TRT dosages. I'm not aware of any, and "most" strikes me as unlikely since most countries just allow doctors to prescribe in accordance with their expertise and generally accepted medical guidelines, but I'm interested in learning more about which nations have passed laws governing this.

 

[BBiceps]

Most countries don’t allow more than 100mg for TRT prescription. There is a reason for that. Age and other factors mean allot with dosage amounts being taken for months and years especially if one is not getting bloodwork and self prescribing 200mg cause they heard that’s the dose. I for one develop out of range hemocrit when I do any cycle 200mg or more. Living like that is not a good idea. Anyhow this post is about bodyfat and I thought the guys estrogen may be high. Something he could check. Ty.

200mg is not an cycle but I would love to hear what’s the reason for “other countries not allowing more than 100mg for TRT”?

I’ve been on Dr prescribed TRT at 200mg for many yrs and never had any issues. You do know that this affects everyone differently, right?

 

[botk1161]

200mg is not an cycle but I would love to hear what’s the reason for “other countries not allowing more than 100mg for TRT”?

I’ve been on Dr prescribed TRT at 200mg for many yrs and never had any issues. You do know that this affects everyone differently, right?

Yes, it affects everyone differently and for some its a cycle cause there blood work may produce items like lipids, hematocrit etc... that may become out of range after a few months of use

I am totally wrong on that limit, pls see the post below. Sorry about that.
.

 

[botk1161]

No need to get defensive; was just pointing out that 200mg/week is not an unusual dose for TRT. As you can see, I also mentioned Estrogen issues in my first post here, so it isn't like I disagree with the advice.

Would be interested in knowing which countries have a hard cap on TRT dosages. I'm not aware of any, and "most" strikes me as unlikely since most countries just allow doctors to prescribe in accordance with their expertise and generally accepted medical guidelines, but I'm interested in learning more about which nations have passed laws governing this.

Yes, 200mg is very normal for TRT. In Canada I supplement my 100mg prescription. In Canada, I don't know anyone who is able to get more than 100mg from their Doctor, but google says there is no limit? I have heard folks in the UK tell me it’s limited as well (or they are unable to get prescribed more). Sorry I assumed that if Canada and the UK had a limit that most other countries would. I am totally wrong here, but at the same time, it seems not common practice (at least in Canada) to allow for more than 100mg. I thought I was right lol and did not look it up. So easy to make a fool of one’s self.

 

[BBiceps]

Yes, it affects everyone differently and for some its a cycle cause there blood work may produce items like lipids, hematocrit etc... that may become out of range after a few months of use

I am totally wrong on that limit, pls see the post below. Sorry about that.
.

Well, it’s not considered a cycle because of the lipid profile gets screwed, it’s a cycle because your Test level is way over normal range and/or using other steroids. Most people don’t get a bad lipid profile from Test only btw, some can even have decent blood on an oil only cycles. My cholesterol stays within range on Test/Mast/Primo/EQ for an example. My dad used to run 500mg Test a week for months without hurting his blood. Orals (and harsh oils like Tren) is generally what hurt the lipid profile the most.

 

[Smont]

Yeah ultimately you got to see what x amount of hormone makes your blood levels. 150mg puts me in the 900's but if 200 put me at 1800, I'd still consider that pretty much natural range, a lot more of the range of natural than a cycle. And we also have to remember that the natural range is absolute b*******. You can naturally have a testosterone level in the 1500s or more. Is it common, no, at least not in modern society but that range has gone down significantly over the years. I was looking at someone's blood work the other day and the range capped out at 950, anything over 950 was flagged as high. That is some absolute nonsense!!!

At the same time I've seen 100 mg put a few people in the 900s, but most ppl on 100mg are gonna be around 600-700 tops. At least from what I've seen. I haven't exactly looked at 10,000 blood works but I've probably seen over 100. It seems pretty consistent with a few ups and a few Downs