HAVEN’T WEIGHT TRAINED IN 3 YEARS-LOOKING FOR ADVICE TO RESTART
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Dustin07
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I'm not sure how that contradicts anything I said or why you appear to be argumentative with every suggestion provided in a post where you asked for advice.I’ve had insomnia since high school bud (again assuming facetious claims).
Given the onslaught of suggestions you've been pitched, and your generally negatively toned responses, I'd be inclined to think that you get in your own way at this point and are your own worst enemy right now. That's me being blunt, not attacking you.
You've built a chaotic, busy life, and your system doesnt like it.
saderboy80
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Like I said the insomnia started in high school
And they are BS suggestions coming from you. I was hoping for something novel, new, or unexpected. Not a “onslaught of recommendations”
You’ve provided me with none of that. Instead you sit on your computer or phone and make several false claims, and subpar recommendations for helping what I asked.
Unless you have anything unexpected or novel, please see your way out.
Hyde
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Guys, nobody is addressing his question (besides Shadowblaze initially): what aspects of recovery, if any, are left to be explored here?
The man has god-tier sleep hygiene. He has a structured diet and regimented lifestyle that is very conducive to moderating stress and controlling controllables the way a champion bodybuilder would try to.
Insomniacs are a real demographic. My aunt is one; she’s 70 years old and been that way since youth. The answer is not ZMA or a shot of bourbon or too much melatonin or too much work. There’s just **** in the machinery that doesn’t function right, so he didn’t ask for advice on that because there’s nothing we could recommend he hasn’t tried. It can be a truly maddening disorder by all accounts.
Yes, sleep is truly the golden goose for recovery, but it’s not on the table here.
The other primary levers are sufficient & quality nutrition (and hydration), active recovery & mobility as necessary so less time is spent with compromised movement from training, and manipulation of training stressors (and other life stressors potentially).
The food is fixed for current goals. Adding some walking or easy cardiovascular endeavors on off-days is ideal if not part of the daily routine. But this should be easy, otherwise it will impose further recovery demand. A walk with the dog, not weighted sled pushes. As far as training, making sure what you do best serves your goal - you can do too much, or train too often, if the goal is to build muscle or strength moreso than just exercising for the sake of being in the gym or turning over additional calories.
Chad Aiches was a world record holding multiply powerlifter with bad insomnia. He was born to be strong, but suffered a lot of battles with being up for weeks, suicidal ideation that comes with the mania it induced, etc. He found that the stronger he got, the less he could train. He had to drop his training split to just 3 days per week, rotating his 4 different days over 9-10 actual days. And only 2 of his 3 workouts weekly could be hard. When you don’t sleep, it takes longer for connective tissue to recover. And the hard training would worsen his insomnia as well, which would create a negative recovery loop.
You will get better faster training hard more often, provided you can recover from and adapt to the work at that pace. BUT, you can only train effectively as fast as you can individually recover.
The man has god-tier sleep hygiene. He has a structured diet and regimented lifestyle that is very conducive to moderating stress and controlling controllables the way a champion bodybuilder would try to.
Insomniacs are a real demographic. My aunt is one; she’s 70 years old and been that way since youth. The answer is not ZMA or a shot of bourbon or too much melatonin or too much work. There’s just **** in the machinery that doesn’t function right, so he didn’t ask for advice on that because there’s nothing we could recommend he hasn’t tried. It can be a truly maddening disorder by all accounts.
Yes, sleep is truly the golden goose for recovery, but it’s not on the table here.
The other primary levers are sufficient & quality nutrition (and hydration), active recovery & mobility as necessary so less time is spent with compromised movement from training, and manipulation of training stressors (and other life stressors potentially).
The food is fixed for current goals. Adding some walking or easy cardiovascular endeavors on off-days is ideal if not part of the daily routine. But this should be easy, otherwise it will impose further recovery demand. A walk with the dog, not weighted sled pushes. As far as training, making sure what you do best serves your goal - you can do too much, or train too often, if the goal is to build muscle or strength moreso than just exercising for the sake of being in the gym or turning over additional calories.
Chad Aiches was a world record holding multiply powerlifter with bad insomnia. He was born to be strong, but suffered a lot of battles with being up for weeks, suicidal ideation that comes with the mania it induced, etc. He found that the stronger he got, the less he could train. He had to drop his training split to just 3 days per week, rotating his 4 different days over 9-10 actual days. And only 2 of his 3 workouts weekly could be hard. When you don’t sleep, it takes longer for connective tissue to recover. And the hard training would worsen his insomnia as well, which would create a negative recovery loop.
You will get better faster training hard more often, provided you can recover from and adapt to the work at that pace. BUT, you can only train effectively as fast as you can individually recover.
Hyde
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I don’t think working a lot is necessarily bad when it’s all remote and technical, assuming it’s in the daytime routine, but there’s a big difference to being on the clock at home for 12 hours with ample breaks & time for self care vs jamming on code in a windowless room into the evening while overclocking your own brain. Or constantly being tied into emails and meetings. Which can be an addictive, satisfying labor, but it’s important to remember those who forged the katana were not the samurai who wielded them. The smith poured every ounce of themselves into that work, nothing left for balance.
I know you said you don’t consume caffeine past noon and the picture I’m getting is much more chill contracting, but it’s important that it’s all holistic with your wellness. If you are burning your work life hard, understand there’s some of your potential recovery invested.
I know you said you don’t consume caffeine past noon and the picture I’m getting is much more chill contracting, but it’s important that it’s all holistic with your wellness. If you are burning your work life hard, understand there’s some of your potential recovery invested.
saderboy80
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My life is actually highly, highly structured (some people may call it “OCD”). I have quarterly, monthly, weekly, daily and “mini” goals on the background of my computer. That is synced to my phone. All these goals are broken down into actionable steps that I need to take to have success in all areas of my life. These steps are then put in the “Microsoft To-Do” app, which dials in my day down into 15min chunks of tasks.
My phone calendar and reminders are synced to my computer calendar and To-Do app. I have a white board next to my desk to jot down ideas/inventions (I hold multiple patents). All appointments (doctor, dentist, ophthalmologist, etc..) are scheduled a MINIMUM of 30 days in advance. Put in my calendar. Where I account for drive time, set 3 reminders 1 day before, 1hr before travel time and 30min before travel time. I aim to arrive at all appointments 30min early.
I meal prep for the week on Sunday, I put water in my coffee machine & grind the beans and put them in my coffee maker the night before. In the morning I put ice water in a 1 gal insulated thermos/container (so I can portion it out through the day; making sure I drink 1gal of water), I also fill a 24oz shaker bottle with ice water and a lot of electrolytes every morning and make sure I finish that by the end of the day as well.
I drink alcohol only on special occasions; so I had 2 beers for the Super Bowl, didn’t drink on my birthday, 1 glass of champagne on NYE, no drinks on Christmas, no drinks on Thanksgiving, I had 1 Jell-O shot on Halloween and before that I hadn’t drank since Aug 15th.
I don’t use marijuana, I don’t smoke cigarettes, but I will admit that I chew nicotine pouches throughout the day.
Wake up at the same time (just my body’s natural rhythm), prep for bed and go to bed at the same time daily. Meditate at the same time. Weigh myself daily, take a general multivitamin, along with fish oil, coQ10, VitD3 w/ K2, vit B, Vit C, Vit E, glutathione, biotin, resveratrol,
Glucosamine & Chondroitin, Cissus Quadrangularis, Turmeric, Green Tea extract, Ginger, and Garlic. All pre-portioned into those pill containers when I meal prep on Sunday’s.
Supplements: creatine, electrolytes, whey and casein protein. Portioned in the morning.
Yet, I have fluidity with my schedule and mark exactly what tasks I can drop and could go visit a family member or go on a week long vacation or a last minute party.
So whose life is chaotic now?
saderboy80
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Thank you for a very well said comment!
Shadowblaze
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Your blood pressure is probably dangerously lowYou sir need to do some clinical/evidence based research!
Swapping out my melatonin for ZMA, when I’m already taking magnesium glycinate (one of the most bioavailable forms of magnesium and also one of the forms that actually crosses the blood-brain barrier. And zinc won’t do anything (except attempt to raise your test levels).
I said I don’t eat 1hr before bed, never said anything about meals or liquid consumption prior to that.
Alcohol and THC will put you to sleep, yes! However, they prevent you from entering REM sleep.
Yes, I do know a lot and I still don’t sleep. But I listed all the physicians, psychologists and therapists that SPECIALIZE IN SLEEP who have tried to help me. Yet, no one can figure out a cause or a solution for my insomnia. They just repeat all the sleep hygiene tips I already listed, say get a sleep study (are astonished by the results) and either heavily sedate me or tell me the case is too complex and they can’t help.
I’m on a lot of meds:
Seroquel 1,800mg QHS
Baclofen 60mg QHS
Clonazepam 8mg QHS
Hydroxyzine 200mg QHS
Zolpidem 10mg QHS
Dayvigo 10mg QHS
Saphris 20mg QHS
Gabapentin 1800mg QHS
Melatonin 10mg QHS
Magnesium Glycinate 1000mg QHS
Phenibut 1500mg QHS
No girlfriend or wife.
32yrs old
I’m asking for alternative methods of recovery, unless anyone has any other suggestions for sleep….that actually work.
I think taking GHB would sedate you less than this stack.
I legit can’t wrap my mind around how someone could take this and live.
I’ve taken about half of these sleep meds and I’m still on some of the ones you are on but I can confidently tell you that this isn’t safe. Your brain probably can’t actually initiate its sleep stages because your over sedated.
I don’t mean to offend you bro, but I find it it hard to believe you take all that. And I find it even harder to believe that an actual doctor would prescribe you that.
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saderboy80
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Well that’s where you are wrong sir. My blood pressure is generally 116/76 to 126/84 and yes, I do take all of that, every night.
Repeating myself again
it’s been approved by multiple sleep psychiatrists, multiple psychiatrists, multiple neurologists, multiple primary care physicians. Although they can’t prescribe it’s been agreed upon by multiple sleep psychologists, psychologists, and therapists. I even went to the head of psychiatry at The Cleveland Clinic!It’s all real buddy, you must know nothing about neurology and pharmacology. Move along pal.
saderboy80
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I already told you, I function perfectly fine! I even outlined my schedule for you lol
On all those meds I average 3-4hrs of sleep a night. Not groggy or have a hangover effect in the “morning”. That’s how I can handle so many tasks daily. Think about this I sleep 3-4hrs and let’s say you sleep 7-8hrs (just for the sake of discussion; I don’t know how much you sleep). That’s 3-5hrs extra in my day to get **** done. 21-35hrs extra a week to get **** done.
They did studies: sleep studies, continuous EEGs, pharmacogenetic testing, genetic and biomarker testing, bloodwork, cerebrospinal fluid, MRI’s, CTscans and EKGs (to test for a prolonged QT interval; commonly associated with antipsychotics) Not a wholesome case study on me, per se.
How many times do I need to explain myself!?
Dude move along
saderboy80
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Leave the neurology, psychology, sleep hygiene and sleep out of this discussion. Unless you happen to be a neurologist or psychiatrist with experience in extreme rare insomnia cases.
I asked for tips to help recover faster, because I’m already doing everything I can to maximize my sleep. Not to try to “fix my sleep” or get shamed for lying about my sleep issues and the RX’s I’m on.
I asked for tips to help recover faster, because I’m already doing everything I can to maximize my sleep. Not to try to “fix my sleep” or get shamed for lying about my sleep issues and the RX’s I’m on.
beefyfan
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Do you have rugged, good looks? Are you sexual?
saderboy80
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Clarify, exactly please!
saderboy80
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For example: last night my head hit the pillow at exactly 9pm and I’m already up and going. Had my first cup of coffee, and doing some cleaning!
*Note: I do NOT work until the side effects have worn off.
*Note: I do NOT work until the side effects have worn off.
recompme
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Maaaan if I lived life like that I'd never sleep either I'd be too busy planning how long it takes to pull up my boxer shorts in the morning to go to the loo, how long it takes to pull them down again, calculate the time it takes to empty my bladder, shake the snake of drips, flush the loo and pull the boxers back up to get back to bed for the 5 seconds of laying down time I'm allowed before having to get up for that zoom meeting.
If you are happy, reasonably healthy, productive and financially stable what are you worried about? Sleep is critical to health, if you are able to be healthy on fewer hours good for you. If you aren't healthy and are falling apart then I'd say take some time off, go on holiday reasses what's important to you and restructure your life to support fewer important goals.
Holiday wise I'd recommend going to somewhere where life is basic, by that I mean a place where the pace of life is dictated by sunrise and sunset. A place where you get up at sunrise do hard physical type labor to help feed you and those around you and then at sunset have to go to bed cos electricity i.e light is a limited luxury. Such places do exist. Try it for a few days and if you can handle it, try it for longer. I'm sure the enforced simple diet/water combined with sunrise/ sunset structure and no electronic stimulation will help you in multiple compounding ways. Obvs take any prescription medications but other than that keep it simple so no protein bars or anything like that/ no smart phone, take a basic phone only that's fully charged and left off unless of an emergency. Be prepared to face yourself in the darkness of the night because you can't sleep and there's nothing to do but lay there, hopefully after abit your body will reset to the natural rhythm of sunrise and sunset and things will get easier. Only do this if you can handle it mentally, don't go loopy.
saderboy80
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Is it probably excessive? Yes! Does it work for my lifestyle? Yes! Not to brag but, does it allow me to bring in a very high salary? Yes! Then a couple thousand extra a month doing the freelance work(Sorry if that is conceited, but it’s reality)? Yes! Does it calm my anxiety? Yes! Does it help my depression and get me out of bed every day? Yes! Does the rigorous food, water, vitamin, and prescription plan prevent me from having seizures? Yes!
“Holiday wise I'd recommend going to somewhere where life is basic, by that I mean a place where the pace of life is dictated by sunrise and sunset. A place where you get up at sunrise do hard physical type labor to help feed you and those around you and then at sunset have to go to bed cos electricity i.e light is a limited luxury. Such places do exist. Try it for a few days and if you can handle it, try it for longer. I'm sure the enforced simple diet/water combined with sunrise/ sunset structure and no electronic stimulation will help you in multiple compounding ways. Obvs take any prescription medications but other than that keep it simple so no protein bars or anything like that/ no smart phone, take a basic phone only that's fully charged and left off unless of an emergency. Be prepared to face yourself in the darkness of the night because you can't sleep and there's nothing to do but lay there, hopefully after abit your body will reset to the natural rhythm of sunrise and sunset and things will get easier“
That concept of a vacation actually sounds amazing! Where are these remote places?
Hyde
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One other thing you touched on, that I meant to address, is the consideration of your nicotine intake. Obviously this isn’t the thing that gets you 8 hours of sleep suddenly if you pull it and now you can train 8 days per week to become Mr Olympia by this winter…but it is a stimulant & stressor so worth some personal review.
You can get cognitive performance enhancement as low as half a milligram (0.5mg) pouches according to Chris Duffin, and this is the dose he uses for targeted acute benefit now. And not daily even, because the goal is to avoid a real habit, cardiovascular harm & chronic cortisol impact.
Meanwhile 2mg pouches are considered kid stuff to most people, and they rip through tins of bigger mg Zyns like a pack/day cigarette smoker. If your use is decidedly chronic, consider that if you can pull that down some it can only be a positive for recovery & longevity. Also be realistic about the impact it’s having to manage your appetite - it may not be realistic to maintain your current tight caloric intake AND pull nicotine out entirely.
You can get cognitive performance enhancement as low as half a milligram (0.5mg) pouches according to Chris Duffin, and this is the dose he uses for targeted acute benefit now. And not daily even, because the goal is to avoid a real habit, cardiovascular harm & chronic cortisol impact.
Meanwhile 2mg pouches are considered kid stuff to most people, and they rip through tins of bigger mg Zyns like a pack/day cigarette smoker. If your use is decidedly chronic, consider that if you can pull that down some it can only be a positive for recovery & longevity. Also be realistic about the impact it’s having to manage your appetite - it may not be realistic to maintain your current tight caloric intake AND pull nicotine out entirely.
recompme
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Depends how adventurous you want to be if you are American less adventurous would be a log cabin in the nature reserves but choose one off grid so no electricity, if British there's a few sparsely inhabited islands off the coast of Scotland again off-grid so no source of electricity. Australian? Try the outback. More adventurous would be places like the Amazon jungle in Latin America or you could try African tribes in Africa everyone knows of the Masai. If you choose the more adventurous prepare to live humbly and embrace the local way of survival. But whichever you choose, you should understand it's not really a holiday it's survival and a body reset through tough living with no modern devices. As such you should prepare to survive off the land as much as possible and not go unprepared. This might sound romantic, it's not, nature is super powerful and will easily kill you, so know your limits, have emergency plans in place and always have a local guide on hand if going for more adventurous things. With the less adventurous try to find something that lets you live off the land rather than bringing in lots of processed foods.
saderboy80
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I generally date high quality, good looking women! Most women say I am very attractive/sexy(I could have filed sooooo many sexual assault/harassment cases in undergrad at the U of Iowa!).
Yes, I am sexual and I do get tested after every sexual encounter.
beefyfan
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LOL. Thanks for playing along. My initial comment was a classic line from the getbig forum.
saderboy80
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Well I didn’t know if you were serious or not. So I figured I’d give an honest answer
saderboy80
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I’ve been reading clinical trial articles and meta-analyses. They utilize a minimum of 7mg a day and up to 21mg (on humans). Showed reduced neural degradation, reduced incidence of Alzheimer’s, reduced incidence of Parkinson’s disease, positive effects in Autism Spectrum Disorder, Schizophrenia, increased fine motor functions, alerting attention, orientation attention, cognitive learning and memory function. As well as increased neurotransmitters: acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, glutamate, norepinephrine and GABA.
recompme
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If by getting tested you mean you've been going in raw, it's kind of a given most guys are doing that, only fantasists/immature guys need to comment on it.
saderboy80
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I scoff at your idiocy!
Getting tested after a sexual encounter with a new partner is part of a complete health regimen.
It’s immature to think otherwise! What are you 14? Have you taken sex ed? Do I need to write out a lesson plan (don’t worry I’ll write it in a style for 4yr olds, so your tiny undeveloped brain can understand it)?
saderboy80
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And I am not disagreeing with you, cutting back on my nicotine use would probably be highly beneficial! Not going to lie and be completely transparent. I rip through Grizzly Wintergreen Nicotine Pouches (15mg x3 at a time). Which is A LOT of nicotine!! Way above the studies you and I found Also, am I addicted? Yes! Do I need to cut back for cardiovascular and cortisol side effects , amongst many others you haven’t mentioned but are real? Yes I definitely do!
I’m 32 and started chewing when I was 16 (to combat the pain of a serious shoulder injury). With some lengthy breaks (9 months once, 4 months another time, 6months once, etc..)
recompme
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Re read my original comment and you will realise that it's refering to unprotected sex not getting tested afterwards. Going in raw, that is unprotected is what most guys do. Your need to mention it, let alone boast about it makes me think you are a fantasist or at best immature.
I scoff at your idiocy!
Getting tested after a sexual encounter with a new partner is part of a complete health regimen.
It’s immature to think otherwise! What are you 14? Have you taken sex ed? Do I need to write out a lesson plan (don’t worry I’ll write it in a style for 4yr olds, so your tiny undeveloped brain can understand it)?
Your response to my original comment is either a diversion or perhaps an insomnia induced oversight of reading basic English. To get something so basic wrong would call into question your claims of being so productive on so little sleep and in turn your earning potential. This makes me er more on the side of your a fantasist than immature, it is after all too early for an April fools joke.
saderboy80
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Ah yes, the lecture on “basic English” from the guy who wrote “it’s refering” and “your earning potential.” Bold strategy idiot!
Apparently I misunderstood something “so basic,” yet it took you a full follow-up manifesto to explain what you supposedly meant. If it needs a director’s cut, maybe it wasn’t that clear to begin with.
Also impressive how we went from protection to my sleep schedule and income in one leap. That’s not reading between the lines — that’s inventing new pages.
And calling someone a fantasist while spinning theories about their maturity and earnings? The moronic irony is doing heavy lifting here.
But please, tell me more about comprehension, my earnings and my productivity.
saderboy80
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Also, your IQ is that of a 4yr old. I’ve literally met 5yr olds with better basic English skills and reading comprehension. Maybe, your problem is you have trouble reading? I’m sure I could post an audio file. That might move your comprehension to the level of a 6yr old. I can also teach you your A, B, C’s and basic math skills.
I work in 2 of the hardest, most progressive fields. Biomedical Research & Artificial Intelligence. So don’t make facetious claims about my intelligence or productivity. Like I said before I work 6 jobs, 1 full time 60hrs/wk, 5 Freelance jobs (just my freelance jobs are probably more than you make). I also outlined my rigorous schedule and have posted how productive I can be on such little sleep (so again false claims).
How many times are you going to boldly state lies, with evidence backing the alternatives?
recompme
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Sighhhh, your comments wreak of insecurity and a lack of real self assured confidence. I have no need to engage with you but I maintain you are either a fantasist or immature. Being a fantasist isn't a bad thing by the way, use it to write a sci fi novel, that would make far better reading than your comments here. If immature write a comedy, again it would be a far better use of your time.
saderboy80
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It’s remarkable how confidently you attempt to psychoanalyze strangers instead of addressing what was actually said. You’ve constructed an entire narrative about my character to avoid engaging with a single argument. That’s not insight — that’s deflection dressed up as superiority.
Throwing around words like “insecure” and “fantasist” might feel clever, but it’s usually what people resort to when they don’t have the capacity to debate substance. If you had something meaningful to contribute, you would have done so by now.
Instead, you offered unsolicited advice. Ironically, the only fiction here is the version of me you invented to feel momentarily intelligent.
If you’re going to participate, try engaging your brain instead of your imagination. It would be a refreshing change.
You are a waste of space on this forum and in this world.
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recompme
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Your continued highly defensive comments and insults just reinforce my perception of you. I'm not going to engage with you to explain things as I also think you are a bit of an attention seeker. I'm going to leave it at that, I think the saying is something along the lines of don't feed the troll.
saderboy80
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Gladly see your way out of this thread then!
saderboy80
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I scoff at your idiocy!
Getting tested after a sexual encounter with a new partner is part of a complete health regimen.
It’s immature to think otherwise! What are you 14? Have you taken sex ed? Do I need to write out a lesson plan (don’t worry I’ll write it in a style for 4yr olds, so your tiny undeveloped brain can understand it)?
saderboy80
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After hopefully all the idiots have lef and we can get back on topic!
How do you feel about a TENS/EMS unit?
Shadowblaze
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Dawg cmon.
saderboy80
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It’s fascinating that you announce you’re “not going to engage” in the middle of engaging. That level of self-contradiction is almost impressive.
You call someone defensive while writing a paragraph to defend your own perception. You accuse someone of attention-seeking while publicly posturing about how above it you are.
And then you misquote a cliché saying to exit dramatically.
If irony were measurable, this would not even register on the scale.
Since you are dramatically exiting. Exit left and leave this thread. I sincerely hope you never come back!
saderboy80
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Dude deserves every word I have posted, and then some.
Dustin07
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so much drama in here.
your original question was:
Do I go with PPL? Or is that starting off with too much stress on the CNS?
Otherwise would probably do: (back/triceps, legs, shoulders, chest/biceps).
Did you make a decision and act on the suggestions given? are you still eating 1600 calories and wondering why your composition isn't changing? 1600 calories is not going to get you to 225lbs. are you training at all or just shitposting in here?
Never forget the definition of insanity.
you've had multiple people recommend increasing calories, and the only thing I've seen you do so far is post that you are instead, choosing to maintain calories. It was recommended that you start a log, boost cals a bit, and go for the gusto, did you? Sorry you think that my recommendations were subpar, I based my suggestions on a mixure of failures and successes over the past 30 years of athletics as well as the knowledge and advice I've received from the same folks here on these boards.
your original question was:
Do I go with PPL? Or is that starting off with too much stress on the CNS?
Otherwise would probably do: (back/triceps, legs, shoulders, chest/biceps).
Did you make a decision and act on the suggestions given? are you still eating 1600 calories and wondering why your composition isn't changing? 1600 calories is not going to get you to 225lbs. are you training at all or just shitposting in here?
Never forget the definition of insanity.
saderboy80
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Never did I say I wasn’t going to up the daily caloric intake(false claim). I indeed have! Nor did I say I wasn’t going to start training the PPL regimen(false claim). I indeed have!
Diet
Eggs3- 18gP, 15gF
Egg Whites-1/2cup 13gP
Stevia (sweeten the oatmeal)
Oatmeal- 1/2c. 28gC, 3gF, 5gP
Total: 36gP, 18gF, 28gC
Total kcal: 418kcal
Whey(3scoops)- 75gP, 0gF, 0gC
Banana- 0gP, 0gF, 27gC
Total: 75gP, OgF, 27gC
Total kcal: 408kcal
Chicken- 172g 52gP, 6.1gF, 0gC
1 Apple- 22gC
Sweet potato- 200g 41gC
1 tblspn butter- 11gF
2 tblspns SF syrup 3gC
Total: 52gP, 23gF, 66gC
Total kcal: 679kcal
Tilapia- 171g 30gP, 4gF, 0gC
Total: 30gP, 4gF, 0gC
Total kcal: 156kcal
Casein(1scoop)- 24gP, 0gF, 4gP
Greek Yogurt- 150g - 15gP, 0gF, 7gC
Cottage Cheese- 150g - 15gP, 0gF, 10gC
Total: 54gP, 0gF, 21gC
Total kcal: 300kcal
Total daily caloric intake: 1961kcal
Previous caloric intake: 1617kcal
Total Increase: 344kcal
Also, those metrics you posted are from roughly 2016, I think? When I started my first graduate degree in Chicago. I am no longer in Chicago, I have fluctuated body weight and lifting over the years. Yes, I cut back down to 150lbs because I was overweight.
Occupation: Clinical Research & Artificial Intelligence Consultant (while getting my 4th post-dual-doctorate, certification in Generative AI in Healthcare: From John’s Hopkins).
Dustin07
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Were you someone's wife in a previous life? I've never seen a man argue so much in my life.
I was simply quoting your earlier caloric intake of 1600 calories, and then your self reported continous caloric intake of 1600 calories again, after the consensus advice was to bump up calories.
I was referring to your posts on Feb 15th, matching the calories from Feb 8th.
I have no dog in this race. nobody replying to you is replying to see you fail. You made a post and the replies are a collective of probably 100 years of experience that are looking to find solutions to help you succeed. if you want to be a douche about it, then feel free. but an ounce of humility goes a long ways. Everyone replying to you has their own very valid experiences that they are leaning on to pitch you ideas.
Now that's what we're talking about!!
Lift some heavy **** and fire up your log so we can follow along and watch you build those 75lbs your going for. Workout Logs - AnabolicMinds.com
Keep a log of your workout and follow other workout logs in here.
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saderboy80
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Because even in this very post, you are shitting on me, asking "if I was someone's wife in an earlier life?" You started this log questioning multiple times if the weight I dropped was real, then a bunch of people **** on me for my sleep and the RXs I take (saying: "oh that can't be real" "Oh, how can you be alive on all that?" When I already explained I was not lying and that it was real and documented by real medical and psychological specialists. Just keep shitting on me right and left, so instead of being a b*tch I stood up for myself and defended myself.Were you someone's wife in a previous life? I've never seen a man argue so much in my life.
I was simply quoting your earlier caloric intake of 1600 calories, and then your self reported continous caloric intake of 1600 calories again, after the consensus advice was to bump up calories.
I was referring to your posts on Feb 15th, matching the calories from Feb 8th.
I have no dog in this race. nobody replying to you is replying to see you fail. You made a post and the replies are a collective of probably 100 years of experience that are looking to find solutions to help you succeed. if you want to be a douche about it, then feel free. but an ounce of humility goes a long ways. Everyone replying to you has their own very valid experiences that they are leaning on to pitch you ideas.
Now that's what we're talking about!!
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Keep a log of your workout and follow other workout logs in here.
When all I asked for was recovery help, not sleep-related.
Yes, I took the actionable steps you guys helped me outline. I have been eating in a surplus (about 300kcal) and working out the PPL split!
Yes, the discrepancy in calories between Feb 8th and Feb 15th was a f*ck up. I thought I was adding in more calories, but in reality, I just moved them around to different meals. Honest mistake on my part.
One thing I didn't add, and that a bunch of you may not believe.
Several years ago (May 2019), they were trying to rearrange my epilepsy and sleep meds simultaneously (which was a big f*ck up). I went 7days & 7nights straight with no sleep/no naps/nothing. I got so weak that my brother and dad had to carry me to the car and subsequently to the hospital. My dad called his good buddy, an anesthesiologist, to meet us there. They agreed to put me on a propofol IV (Yes, the stuff that killed Michael Jackson.) Well, I was on a continuous IV drip for about 3hours being monitored by the nurse anesthetist, and 2 other nurses. Sitting propped up in the bed, wide-awake, holding a conversation with my dad. Doc came back, "You still aren't sleeping!?" "Nope, not even drowsy!" Him "Alright, let's try this. I am going to push subsequently larger boluses of propofol until you fall asleep." First bolus, (waited 15min) nothing. Second bolus, (waited 20min) nothing. I'm just playing on my phone. "F*ck, you are one tough son of a b*tch! I am just going to continue pushing propofol until you are knocked out!" 3rd bolus/continued push = slept for 45min, woke up alert, they took the IV out, and I walked out of there 5min later, not groggy or drowsy at all, feeling like I just slept for 24hrs.
See why I am a little pissed off??
Dustin07
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Who cares?
yeah we all do that from time to time. Even our resident monster lifters have posted mistakes in adding weights, or injections, or whatever. This is why I really like having my log to fall back on. If I'm on a cut, or a strength cycle, I can go back years into the log to see what I was doing the last time I achieved "X" goal and compare it to what I'm doing today as a reality check. Its one of the reasons I'm doing a lot of cardio right now, which in theory I could simply replace with a steeper caloric deficit on a cut, but historically I have always found my sweet spot to be 40min of cardio (+) for a really great cut result.
Sounds like there is a beast in you waiting to be unleashed, fire up that log and lets see that road to 225!
saderboy80
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Still undecided if I want to do a log or not.
Dustin07
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yeah thats something you gotta decide for you. I know for me, IDK since it was so long ago, maybe it was intimidating, but I love having it because its another form of accountability and inspiration. The guys pop into each others logs, ask questions, give reality checks. The bros are good at being blunt when we make dumb decisions. there's a group autocorrect that really helps push for those goals.
BBiceps
Well-known member
I’m late to the party and haven’t read all replies so apologies if it already been covered.
Since it seems like you been in shape before, muscle memory should get you back in shape faster than if you hadn’t so you could push it a little harder than where a beginner would not, just make sure not to push too hard so you don’t burn out.
I’m not a fan of PPL but if that works for you, keep doing it, otherwise do a split that you think it’s fun, that way you’re more excited to workout/push yourself.
Diet/food choices looks good, I would add fats (add some nuts to meals) but if you rather add carbs, a banana or Gatorade around your workout is an easy way to add calories without it hurting.
I would try HGH (or Tesa) for recovery/sleep benefits.
Your life seems very calculated and planned, it seems to work but it might be beneficial for you to relax a little and not always follow the script/plan. Maybe some extra (unplanned) naps would help your recovery.
Since it seems like you been in shape before, muscle memory should get you back in shape faster than if you hadn’t so you could push it a little harder than where a beginner would not, just make sure not to push too hard so you don’t burn out.
I’m not a fan of PPL but if that works for you, keep doing it, otherwise do a split that you think it’s fun, that way you’re more excited to workout/push yourself.
Diet/food choices looks good, I would add fats (add some nuts to meals) but if you rather add carbs, a banana or Gatorade around your workout is an easy way to add calories without it hurting.
I would try HGH (or Tesa) for recovery/sleep benefits.
Your life seems very calculated and planned, it seems to work but it might be beneficial for you to relax a little and not always follow the script/plan. Maybe some extra (unplanned) naps would help your recovery.
saderboy80
Active member
I’ve never done the ppl split and honestly prefer hitting each body part once a week. BUTT ppl will allow me to hit each body part twice a week.
I’ll probably add in some more carbs, per your recommendation! How many grams of carbs or kcal should I add?
Also, what is this concept you call a nap? I’ve never experienced it before lol
Hyde
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It’s what you have to do when you finally get jacked if you don’t get a CPAP because you’re exhausted all day
saderboy80
Active member
I meant I physically cannot take naps. Just as I get minimal sleep…I can’t sleep at all during the day.It’s what you have to do when you finally get jacked if you don’t get a CPAP because you’re exhausted all day
I physically cannot take naps, just the same as my sleep at night.It’s what you have to do when you finally get jacked if you don’t get a CPAP because you’re exhausted all day
As far as a cpap machine goes, I have done the video recorded EEG overnight studies (for a total of 12 nights) and do not need one.
Yes, when you get immensely jacked or are obese and the diameter of your neck exceeds a certain threshold, you most definitely need a cpap machine.