Shooting pain when breathing, barely able to move (not steroid related)

CroLifter

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Hello broskis,
I know this may not be the best forum for this type of question but you all are here veterans of the gym and perhaps can shed some light on my sitiation.

Basically, i went to the gym on monday and wednesday but also, on sunday and tuesday worked intense physical labor at my yard whichinvolved extreme heavy lifting of objects in front of me (very ab strenuous). I was progressively feeling weaker and also had symptoms of general malaise, but i went against it and on thursday i woke up with severe pain in my right side of the ribs, upper abs and my right shoulder, hurts to breathe, cant make a full inhalation, hurts to move, i struggle to walk.
Every time i roll in bed my shoulder is in agony, as if the bone hurts, also upper abs and right side of the ribcage.

I can feel shooting pain when touching the muscles on the right side of the abdomen, but cant feel the pain in my shoulder, it seems depeer, some muscle beneath.

Basically has this ever happened to you?? My wednesday workout has actually been ok, apart from increased malaise, did zercher squats, dips, lat pulldowns, upright rows, face pulls. I am on 150mg test a week plus hcg just for context.

Is this just very severe doms or something all of a sudden serious? Like I said, symptoms onset was thursday (yesterday), when i guess everything finally spilled over. I should add i dont have a fever.
 
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Sounds like you’ve pulled/green fractured a rib.

I would advise to just take a forced week off lifting/physical labour and let it heal
 
my buddy slipped a rib many years ago and had similar descriptions. First time I tore my rotator cuff it was actually similar to this as well.
 
CroLifter said:
Hallo Broskis,
Ich weiß, dass dies vielleicht nicht das beste Forum für diese Art von Fragen ist, aber Sie sind alle hier Fitnessstudio-Veteranen und können vielleicht etwas Licht in meine Situation bringen.

Ich ging montags und mittwochs ins Fitnessstudio, verrichtete sonntags und dienstags aber auch schwere körperliche Arbeit im Garten, bei der ich extrem schwere Gegenstände vor mir heben musste (sehr anstrengend für die Bauchmuskeln). Ich fühlte mich zunehmend schwächer und hatte auch Symptome von allgemeinem Unwohlsein, aber ich kämpfte dagegen an und wachte am Donnerstag mit starken Schmerzen in den rechten Rippen, den oberen Bauchmuskeln und der rechten Schulter auf. Das Atmen tut weh, ich kann nicht richtig einatmen, Bewegungen tun weh und ich kann kaum gehen.
Jedes Mal, wenn ich mich im Bett wälze, schmerzt meine Schulter, als ob der Knochen wehtut, auch die oberen Bauchmuskeln und die rechte Seite des Brustkorbs.

Ich spüre einen stechenden Schmerz, wenn ich die Muskeln auf der rechten Seite des Bauches berühre, aber ich spüre den Schmerz in meiner Schulter nicht, er scheint tiefer zu liegen, ein Muskel darunter.

Ist dir das schon mal passiert? Mein Mittwochstraining war eigentlich ganz okay, abgesehen von zunehmendem Unwohlsein. Ich habe Zercher-Kniebeugen, Dips, Latzüge, Upright Rows und Face Pulls gemacht. Ich nehme 150 mg Testo pro Woche plus HCG, nur so nebenbei.

Handelt es sich nur um sehr schwere Doms oder ist plötzlich etwas Ernstes passiert? Wie gesagt, die Symptome traten am Donnerstag (gestern) auf, als, glaube ich, alles endgültig überlief. Ich sollte hinzufügen, dass ich kein Fieber habe.
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Es ist auch möglich, dass ein Nerv in der Brustwirbelsäule eingeklemmt ist. Dies kann Schmerzen in verschiedenen Körperteilen verursachen, insbesondere in den Schultern und Schulterblättern. Auch Druck auf die Lunge, Magenschmerzen und sogar Herzschmerzen können auftreten. Ein Muskelrelaxans kann helfen. Bei einem Bandscheibenvorfall kann die Besserung Monate dauern oder eine Operation erforderlich sein. Eine Operation wird nur empfohlen, wenn es keine andere Möglichkeit gibt. Vermeiden Sie im Fitnessstudio Übungen, die Ihre Wirbelsäule belasten könnten, wie z. B. Schulterdrücken. Alles Gute und gute Besserung!
 
Ya looked it up. Lung infection. My boy Chris had this and his lungs filled up with fluid, it was actually really bad he was in and out the hospital 5 or 6 times and some were overnight.

I'm not trying to scare you. I'm just saying if that's what is going on then pay attention!
 
CT showed bilater pulmonar embolism, on both sides of the lung clots are present with visible infarcts, so the pneumonia is a secondary infection.
It may or may not be due to test, but i started it 5 weeks ago and started developing breathing issues last weekend. I front loaded uo to 400mg a week for 1st 3 weeks and that may have caused a problem. I mysef believe it has caused it, it was only a matter of time before this dangerous game caught up. What may be a lot for someone may not be for someone else but still...

All I can say is be very careful guys. I know when donating when I have previously ran some test, it takes double the time to pull the same amount of blood. So even if test doesnt directly increase clotting factors, the much more viscous, slower flowing blood is a huge risk factor in itself. Much more likely to clot.

Strongest pain ever, left me immobilized, spasming all over my torso.
 
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Sharp, shooting pain at the side of the ribcage. Getting progreseively worse to the point where i was forced to be locked up in single position with every breath deeper than like 20% of lung capacity causing that shooting pain, likely where those infarcts are.

Now when i analyze back, i started getting a little short of breath a week ago, just tiny bit, escalating 2 days ago with unbearable symptoms that i had to go to hospitals. Nothing like i ever encountered, evee before.
 
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CroLifter said:
Sharp, shooting pain at the side of the ribcage. Getting progreseively worse to the point where i was forced to be locked up in single position with every breath deeper than like 20% of lung capacity causing that shooting pain, likely where those infarcts are.

Now when i analyze back, i started getting a little short of breath a week ago, just tiny bit, escalating 2 days ago with unbearable symptoms that i had to go to hospitals. Nothing like i ever encountered, evee before.
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Hopefully they put you on some blood thinners like heparin or warfarin or something, and antibiotics.🙏
 
Yes immediately put on blood thinners and antibiotics. Also they are loong for all possible causes, as gear is only a potential cause, they cant say for certain. I have absolutely no visible clots in any of my legs or arms.
 
I deleted my post because I sounded like a absolute dick and that wasn't my intention, il try to reword it.

I know what you're trying to do but it's not good to spread that kind of information, even tho you may have had a issue with your blood draw, there's 11 million people on testosterone replacement therapy who have no issues at all. To just say testosterone makes your blood viscous and take twice as long to draw is absolutely untrue. Even though you may have experienced that situation you can't just make a statement like that because it's so far from the overwhelming large majority of ppl. It's like if I found out I was allergic to peanut butter and said everyone needs to be careful peanut butter is dangerous.

It's not that simple and just like peanut butter isn't dangerous for the very very large majority of people, neither is testosterone.
 
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I do really hope your doctor is going to make a valid effort to really find out the causes. If gear was the cause then fine. But I feel like we see this way too often when a doctor doesn't know what's going on and you say that you used any kind of performance enhancing drug The doctor immediately attaches to welp I can't figure anything out so that must be the cause and they just give up.

And that doesn't help anyone.
 
@Smont i agree and it may be unrelated, that why i left the original title. They are trying to find out if embolisms came first or was there an infection in the lung which sparked embolisms. What i a fact that there is a bilateral pulmonary embolism, and most serious condition i ever found myself in. And it coincided with my cycle. I would love for it not to be related because of what it means for my future (trt, no more higher doses).

But for all intents and purposes it could be a prior infection. I dont hnderstand why they didnt test for covid antigenes in blood, only nose swab, if covid lodged itself in the lungs and I have no upper respirarory tract symptoms (which i dont), one is not going to catch covid on a nose swab.

At first I suspected embolism came firsr, but i am suspicious, especially with previous covid experience, where i had no upper tract symptoms but still severe pneumonia.


Also that is the reason why i dont like to mention gear, unless i used crazy doses (which i never did) i am very conservstive and usually run up to 200mg test a week (yep!) And i strongly believe this shouldnt cause issues, but who am i to know for certain. The lack of any findings on doppler leads me to believe more in the infection->embolism course of events.
 
I still kinda sounded like a dick. I suck at explaining s***. I guess what I'm saying is the statement made it kind of look like an absolute, so I get worried someone might come in here and look at this and see oh if I go on TRT it's going to make my blood super thick and take twice as long to give a donation. Because for some reason anabolics on the internet works like that.

I've actually never quite understood it, we live in this world where everybody wants receipts for everything. Everybody wants a source, fact check this, but when it comes to steroids..... people just go on a website and they like to listen to the first person that says something and run with it lol. Of all the things you shouldn't just take someone's word for this is the one lol. I tell people all the time, I'll give them a bunch of information and then I say listen, don't just believe me because I said it. You should do a little research and not just assume everything I'm telling you is a fact.

OCD tick, sorry
 
Oh, I also knew You weren't on some crazy cycle That was another reason I kind of brought up that point. I know you don't really f*** around
 
Just curious if you don’t mind….. have ever used anything that is a natural blood thinner ? Things such as fish oil, curcumin, berberine, ginger, garlic, etc.

I’m curious bc I have a high rbc count but small cell size ( it’s called beta-thalassemia minor, common in Mediterranean populations), also have platelet count on the low end of normal. I’ve used all of the above things I mentioned for years, I also try to stay well hydrated and have 2-3 cups of green tea per day.
I do one 18wk cycle per year. Test only. No clotting issues but the risk does cross my mind.
 
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Just curious if you don’t mind….. have ever used anything that is a natural blood thinner ? Things such as fish oil, curcumin, berberine, ginger, garlic, etc.

I’m curious bc I have a high rbc count but small cell size ( it’s called beta-thalassemia minor, common in Mediterranean populations), also have platelet count on the low end of normal. I’ve used all of the above things I mentioned for years, I also try to stay well hydrated and have 2-3 cups of green tea per day.
I do one 18wk cycle per year. Test only. No clotting issues but the risk does cross my mind.
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Nattokinase is another good natural blood thinner. It actually can help dissolve blood clots.

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thetawave said:
Just curious if you don’t mind….. have ever used anything that is a natural blood thinner ? Things such as fish oil, curcumin, berberine, ginger, garlic, etc.

I’m curious bc I have a high rbc count but small cell size ( it’s called beta-thalassemia minor, common in Mediterranean populations), also have platelet count on the low end of normal. I’ve used all of the above things I mentioned for years, I also try to stay well hydrated and have 2-3 cups of green tea per day.
I do one 18wk cycle per year. Test only. No clotting issues but the risk does cross my mind.
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Not really but i pop baby aspirin from time to time, especially later into the cycle. I am one of those people that even on doses of 150-200mg within weeks cross 51% hct. I tend to go to 53,54 but i dont like being there. I start waking up with numb arms, sometimes even one numb leg. That cannot be good, circulation is severely diminished. I can also feel at times my heart struggling, like it would pause momentarily and then take a little stronger beat.

All in all my ideal hct is in the 40s no matter what the science says is ok and i feel a lot better after blood donation.

They have said btw today that my embolisms are really small and that the major issue is pneumonia, and that even massively larger emolisms dont produce such severe pneumonias.
So they may have developed due to the infection after all.
 
PS: Now I may be kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place a little.

If i discontinue test (which was supposed to be 150 a week), i go to pct, but i dont want to play with prothrombotic SERMS which directly carry thrombosis risk.
Another option is cold turkey...fukkin fantastic state to be in while my body desperately needs recovery from the illness.

Third option to continue but reduce to 100mg a week, and stay on trt at least for as long i am on anticoagulants and carry thrombosis reappearance risk, where 100mg i know never pushes my levels over 600 ng/dl. I do need about 150 to be in the upper 50 percentile.
 
CroLifter said:
PS: Now I may be kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place a little.

If i discontinue test (which was supposed to be 150 a week), i go to pct, but i dont want to play with prothrombotic SERMS which directly carry thrombosis risk.
Another option is cold turkey...fukkin fantastic state to be in while my body desperately needs recovery from the illness.

Third option to continue but reduce to 100mg a week, and stay on trt at least for as long i am on anticoagulants and carry thrombosis reappearance risk, where 100mg i know never pushes my levels over 600 ng/dl. I do need about 150 to be in the upper 50 percentile.
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Just a thought, perhaps if you pct you can stay on the anticoagulant throughout and for some weeks afterwards.
 
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