SkRaw85
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Let us know how that first meet goes!
Slicin' and Dicin'
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Dustin07
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Cube - Heavy day
Bench
10 x 95, 135
8 x 155
6 x 185
5 x 215
3 x 245
1 x 275
Slingshot
2 x 295
Raw
8 x 225
DB arms facing
10 x 75s
8 x 85s
6 x 95s
5 x 105s
Incline
3 x 135, 155
5 x 3 x 175
8 x 135
DB laterals
2 x 10 x 30s
SS with
DB forward raises
2 x 10 x 30s
OH cable ext
3 sets
+1 dropset
Pec deck
10 x 130, 205, 295
(I just wanted to see if I could rep the whole stack)
15 x 160
Notes
Woke up a bit leaner at just a stitch over 190. I can tell strength is down but feeling good for a 13lb loss.
Lunch with my boy today (pizza hut) so I actually did splurge on the naked boneless chicken wings to try to maximize meat options, zero pizza, and slammed a bag of pretzels to get a few carbs preWO.
Bench
10 x 95, 135
8 x 155
6 x 185
5 x 215
3 x 245
1 x 275
Slingshot
2 x 295
Raw
8 x 225
DB arms facing
10 x 75s
8 x 85s
6 x 95s
5 x 105s
Incline
3 x 135, 155
5 x 3 x 175
8 x 135
DB laterals
2 x 10 x 30s
SS with
DB forward raises
2 x 10 x 30s
OH cable ext
3 sets
+1 dropset
Pec deck
10 x 130, 205, 295
(I just wanted to see if I could rep the whole stack)
15 x 160
Notes
Woke up a bit leaner at just a stitch over 190. I can tell strength is down but feeling good for a 13lb loss.
Lunch with my boy today (pizza hut) so I actually did splurge on the naked boneless chicken wings to try to maximize meat options, zero pizza, and slammed a bag of pretzels to get a few carbs preWO.
Dustin07
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Yeah, let us know how your son does….He sounds like an all around athlete.
he's getting there. He's kinda like my youngest brother who should be playing pro sports right now. TONS of natural gifts but not a lot of real competitive drive, at least not from my perspective. Whereas I was always very very driven in sports but not necessarily naturally gifted. I ordered him a shotput on amazon but they sent me a 16lb and he throws 12lb.... so I was like..... hey not bad, throw the 16 fifty times a night and see how that helps your 12lb throw!
gphagan1
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Actually, yeah, that 16 lbs shot put will only make him better to train with. That extra 4 lbs will make a world of difference.
Dustin07
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Actually, yeah, that 16 lbs shot put will only make him better to train with. That extra 4 lbs will make a world of difference.
its heavy, I gave it a couple chucks and threw it like 30+ ft. But my form is trash, I haven't legit tried to throw a shot put in like 26 years lol. It does make me wonder how far I could throw a 12 though with proper form.
(for reference the school record is 50ft, and tends to be the expectation for State)
Dustin07
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DB RDLs
10 x 60s, 70s
SS with DB curls
10 x 30s, 35s
Deads
10 x 135
5 x 225, 275, 315
BB Rows
3 x 12 x 135lbs
H/S shrugs
3 x 15 x 225
SS with seated DB curls
13 x 27.5s
10 x 30s, 37.5s
+ 10 x 25s dropset
Barbell high pulls
3 x 12 x 50lbs
SS with barbell curls
3 x 12 x 50lbs
+ 15 x 40lb dropset
(Same bar, no rest)
Lat pull downs
3 x 15
SS with cable curls
3 x 15
note:
Didn't really feel like much in the heat of the moment, wondered if I hadn't put in enough effort but an hour later could definitely feel it.
10 x 60s, 70s
SS with DB curls
10 x 30s, 35s
Deads
10 x 135
5 x 225, 275, 315
BB Rows
3 x 12 x 135lbs
H/S shrugs
3 x 15 x 225
SS with seated DB curls
13 x 27.5s
10 x 30s, 37.5s
+ 10 x 25s dropset
Barbell high pulls
3 x 12 x 50lbs
SS with barbell curls
3 x 12 x 50lbs
+ 15 x 40lb dropset
(Same bar, no rest)
Lat pull downs
3 x 15
SS with cable curls
3 x 15
note:
Didn't really feel like much in the heat of the moment, wondered if I hadn't put in enough effort but an hour later could definitely feel it.
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Dustin07
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DB bench
2 x 10 x 50s
10 x 70s, 80s, 90s
12 x 70s
Seated DB curls
2 x 15 x 25s
2 x 10 x 30s
Standing ez bar Skull crushers
15 x 40lb
2 x 10 x 60lb
+ 15 x 40lb dropset
Incline bench
3 x 10 x 135
DB laterals raises
3 x 12 x 30lbs
SS with hammer curls
10 x 40s, 50s,
15 x 40s
+ 1 x 10 x 30s dropset
Ez bar curls
6 x 100lb, 90lb
8 x 80lb
10 x 70lb, 60lb
15 x 40lbs
(No rest, all drop sets. This was an experiment)
Concentration curls
3 x 10 x 20s
BB shrugs
15 x 135, 225, 225
Cable OH extensions
4 x 15
Lat pull downs
3 sets
Notes
Just wanted to have a fun upper pump day before I start another long fast tonight.
2 x 10 x 50s
10 x 70s, 80s, 90s
12 x 70s
Seated DB curls
2 x 15 x 25s
2 x 10 x 30s
Standing ez bar Skull crushers
15 x 40lb
2 x 10 x 60lb
+ 15 x 40lb dropset
Incline bench
3 x 10 x 135
DB laterals raises
3 x 12 x 30lbs
SS with hammer curls
10 x 40s, 50s,
15 x 40s
+ 1 x 10 x 30s dropset
Ez bar curls
6 x 100lb, 90lb
8 x 80lb
10 x 70lb, 60lb
15 x 40lbs
(No rest, all drop sets. This was an experiment)
Concentration curls
3 x 10 x 20s
BB shrugs
15 x 135, 225, 225
Cable OH extensions
4 x 15
Lat pull downs
3 sets
Notes
Just wanted to have a fun upper pump day before I start another long fast tonight.
Dustin07
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amen to that! even pro NFL'ers play the occasional flag football!
Dustin07
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Round 2
Stairs - 20min
Incline treadmill -20min
Notes
Was headed to driving range while listening to the Cutler podcast with Heath and decided to miss my turn and hit the gym instead to try to push this thing over the finish line.
Heath and Cutler were talking about how stairs were one of their favorites for cutting so I figured may as well toss them in again.
Stairs - 20min
Incline treadmill -20min
Notes
Was headed to driving range while listening to the Cutler podcast with Heath and decided to miss my turn and hit the gym instead to try to push this thing over the finish line.
Heath and Cutler were talking about how stairs were one of their favorites for cutting so I figured may as well toss them in again.
Dustin07
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Another thing thats going on is I really want to figure out how to make eggs work nutritionally on this cut (I realize it's obvious they do, I just want to balance fat macros, I'll likely have to keep carbs low for a while to make it work).
Our chickens this week went from 2-3 eggs a day, to a whopping 9 eggs yesterday. we are in full spring/summer production mode and that's a lot of protein available. I hard boiled 15 last night. Of course I forgot to bring them to work, but I like having them made in advance for snacks both at home and at work. I'm not someone who gets tired of eating the same food to be honest. The only things I ever really crave when on a cut is a great burger, and corn chips (not potato).
Our chickens this week went from 2-3 eggs a day, to a whopping 9 eggs yesterday. we are in full spring/summer production mode and that's a lot of protein available. I hard boiled 15 last night. Of course I forgot to bring them to work, but I like having them made in advance for snacks both at home and at work. I'm not someone who gets tired of eating the same food to be honest. The only things I ever really crave when on a cut is a great burger, and corn chips (not potato).
Dustin07
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Cube light day
DB press
2 x 12 x 45s
DB curls
2 x 12 x 35s
Bench - comp
10 x 135
8 x 155
5 x 185
3 x 215, 225
CGBP
1 x AMRAP
15 x 175
Incline
3 x 8 x 135
Dips
3 x 12
Stairs/cardio
20 min
Notes
I have no issue coming up short of a PR on this cycle considering the 14lb cut but I do feel like despite strength showing some decline, it's gonna be pretty good at the end all things considered (relative to weight)
DB press
2 x 12 x 45s
DB curls
2 x 12 x 35s
Bench - comp
10 x 135
8 x 155
5 x 185
3 x 215, 225
CGBP
1 x AMRAP
15 x 175
Incline
3 x 8 x 135
Dips
3 x 12
Stairs/cardio
20 min
Notes
I have no issue coming up short of a PR on this cycle considering the 14lb cut but I do feel like despite strength showing some decline, it's gonna be pretty good at the end all things considered (relative to weight)
Dustin07
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Round Two
Stairs - 24min
Row - 10min
Elliptical -10min
Incline treadmill -16min
Total 60min
We had a weird day at the office due to storm forecasts this afternoon of tornadoes and baseball hail (doubt it) so we closed an hour early and I had time for a good session before picking up my boy after his shotput practice.
Considered 30min on the stairs but the machine shut down at 24 so I moved on.
Broke last night's fast with hard boiled eggs and a monster chicken salad. Still woke up at 189.
Stairs - 24min
Row - 10min
Elliptical -10min
Incline treadmill -16min
Total 60min
We had a weird day at the office due to storm forecasts this afternoon of tornadoes and baseball hail (doubt it) so we closed an hour early and I had time for a good session before picking up my boy after his shotput practice.
Considered 30min on the stairs but the machine shut down at 24 so I moved on.
Broke last night's fast with hard boiled eggs and a monster chicken salad. Still woke up at 189.
Segansational
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You like Cutler's podcast? I'm always looking for another good BB one.
Dustin07
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dude I was thinking about you the whole time and was going to tell you that you'd like it because as much as I do love BB, you're even further down that rabbit hole than me. I started out with the Cutler > Heath one which was GREAT, but I'm a big Phil Heath fan.
Listened to the Kai Greene one yesterday during cardio, and started the Seth Feroce one last night. Yeah I definitely like it!
I'm a late entrant into podcasts, my normals are Joe Rogan, Hubberman, and now Cutler, but I've also done Layne Nortons and Derek's more plates more dates. (who was also on Rogan I think?)
Segansational
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Awesome, will check it out. Right now my two go to's are:
Real Bodybuilding (Fouad's)
RPStrength (Dr. Mike)
Occasionally I'll listen to 3DMJ (natty BB coaches / science based), and I've tried Table Talk (Dave Tate, at reco of guys on here) but it's a little slow for me. But I'm not giving up on it quite yet, lol.
Dustin07
Legend
yeah I keep going round and round on a few of them, I think generally Joe Rogan is my favorite host, but I have noticed some episodes where even he is bored with his guest, lol. So I tend to flip through the podcasts and see what the topic is.
Dustin07
Legend
DB curls
12 x 30s, 32.5s, 35s, 40s, 35s
15 x 30s
OHP cable ext
5 x 15
Preacher curls
5 x 12 x 50lb ez bar
Tricep cable pushdowns
3 x 15
Incline seated DB curls
3 x 15 x 25s
Hammer curls
3 x 10 x 40s
+ 10 x 32.5s dropset
Dips
3 x 10
Cardio
Stairs - 20min
Notes
Wanted a pumpy day, carb loaded preWO, took two alpha one caps. I'm out of pump gel and haven't been taking the var so basically a natty session. Felt great tho-
12 x 30s, 32.5s, 35s, 40s, 35s
15 x 30s
OHP cable ext
5 x 15
Preacher curls
5 x 12 x 50lb ez bar
Tricep cable pushdowns
3 x 15
Incline seated DB curls
3 x 15 x 25s
Hammer curls
3 x 10 x 40s
+ 10 x 32.5s dropset
Dips
3 x 10
Cardio
Stairs - 20min
Notes
Wanted a pumpy day, carb loaded preWO, took two alpha one caps. I'm out of pump gel and haven't been taking the var so basically a natty session. Felt great tho-
Dustin07
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Anyone ever read that book Blink? about knowing something in a tenth of a second (blink of an eye) but not knowing why you know it?
I walked into the gym today and there was this 300lb black dude, yoked as hell, sitting in my normal spot and my spider senses went off. I knew to give him a wide berth even though he wasn't acting out. Its not a racism thing, I'm the only white guy at my other gym. it's a vibe thing.
I interacted with him a bit in the gym, trading machines/equipment with a bro thumbs up etc. I get on the stairs for 20 minutes and at 19 minutes this little middle eastern dude from across the gym somehow flipped him $hit because he turns around and slaps the guy hard enough to knock his hat and headphones off
Immediately this 145lb 5'9" dude throws his fist in the air like he's going full Mike Tyson against Mr 300lbs 6'2"
My stairmaster hit 20 mintues and tried to shut down so Immediately added a minute so as not to be interrupted, this was a good show and no commercial breaks in sight.
The big dude I'm certain was not a southpaw, but he took one hard swing with his left, connected straight onto the guys eye and rocked his world, then everyone tried to break it up. I wanted to yell FINISH HIM!! as the scrimmage started to wind down I took a second to think. I've been in and seen enough fights that I don't want to be naked in the locker room and all the sudden the fight continues and bodys swinging everywhere lol.
anyways I get dressed, the little guy is nowhere to be seen and the big black dude now has three cop cars surrounding him in the parking lot. he's not in cuffs, for now its just talking but I have a feeling unless he can really talk his way out of this one he's going to end up with assault/battery charges which sucks because I know the guy he socked, and he's a wormy little $hit that deserved it.
fun day at the gym tho. this one is such a cesspool. this stuff never happens in the Tacoma gym. it's all legit meatheads grinding and bangin' hot chicks from every age group doing their booty bridges.
I walked into the gym today and there was this 300lb black dude, yoked as hell, sitting in my normal spot and my spider senses went off. I knew to give him a wide berth even though he wasn't acting out. Its not a racism thing, I'm the only white guy at my other gym. it's a vibe thing.
I interacted with him a bit in the gym, trading machines/equipment with a bro thumbs up etc. I get on the stairs for 20 minutes and at 19 minutes this little middle eastern dude from across the gym somehow flipped him $hit because he turns around and slaps the guy hard enough to knock his hat and headphones off
Immediately this 145lb 5'9" dude throws his fist in the air like he's going full Mike Tyson against Mr 300lbs 6'2"
My stairmaster hit 20 mintues and tried to shut down so Immediately added a minute so as not to be interrupted, this was a good show and no commercial breaks in sight.
The big dude I'm certain was not a southpaw, but he took one hard swing with his left, connected straight onto the guys eye and rocked his world, then everyone tried to break it up. I wanted to yell FINISH HIM!! as the scrimmage started to wind down I took a second to think. I've been in and seen enough fights that I don't want to be naked in the locker room and all the sudden the fight continues and bodys swinging everywhere lol.
anyways I get dressed, the little guy is nowhere to be seen and the big black dude now has three cop cars surrounding him in the parking lot. he's not in cuffs, for now its just talking but I have a feeling unless he can really talk his way out of this one he's going to end up with assault/battery charges which sucks because I know the guy he socked, and he's a wormy little $hit that deserved it.
fun day at the gym tho. this one is such a cesspool. this stuff never happens in the Tacoma gym. it's all legit meatheads grinding and bangin' hot chicks from every age group doing their booty bridges.
gphagan1
Legend
Sounds like the little guy has the Napoleon Complex and had it coming to him. Hey, at least you got a little extra entertainment.Anyone ever read that book Blink? about knowing something in a tenth of a second (blink of an eye) but not knowing why you know it?
I walked into the gym today and there was this 300lb black dude, yoked as hell, sitting in my normal spot and my spider senses went off. I knew to give him a wide berth even though he wasn't acting out. Its not a racism thing, I'm the only white guy at my other gym. it's a vibe thing.
I interacted with him a bit in the gym, trading machines/equipment with a bro thumbs up etc. I get on the stairs for 20 minutes and at 19 minutes this little middle eastern dude from across the gym somehow flipped him $hit because he turns around and slaps the guy hard enough to knock his hat and headphones off
Immediately this 145lb 5'9" dude throws his fist in the air like he's going full Mike Tyson against Mr 300lbs 6'2"
My stairmaster hit 20 mintues and tried to shut down so Immediately added a minute so as not to be interrupted, this was a good show and no commercial breaks in sight.
The big dude I'm certain was not a southpaw, but he took one hard swing with his left, connected straight onto the guys eye and rocked his world, then everyone tried to break it up. I wanted to yell FINISH HIM!! as the scrimmage started to wind down I took a second to think. I've been in and seen enough fights that I don't want to be naked in the locker room and all the sudden the fight continues and bodys swinging everywhere lol.
anyways I get dressed, the little guy is nowhere to be seen and the big black dude now has three cop cars surrounding him in the parking lot. he's not in cuffs, for now its just talking but I have a feeling unless he can really talk his way out of this one he's going to end up with assault/battery charges which sucks because I know the guy he socked, and he's a wormy little $hit that deserved it.
fun day at the gym tho. this one is such a cesspool. this stuff never happens in the Tacoma gym. it's all legit meatheads grinding and bangin' hot chicks from every age group doing their booty bridges.
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Segansational
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Have read Blink. But yeah, that's actually crazy story and good thing you steered clear early on. Sometimes you just know. That spidey sense! 
I can't imagine that unfolding in a public place like that. I've seen you youtube clips of fights breaking out in gyms, but that's crazy to me...
I can't imagine that unfolding in a public place like that. I've seen you youtube clips of fights breaking out in gyms, but that's crazy to me...
Dustin07
Legend
Took my wife out last night for this little oyster fest thing, we didn't have a lot and kept portions moderate, then came home and had more hard boiled eggs. woke up at 190 today so I'm feeling pretty good.
haha yeah this one gym is just trash. I almost got into it with a dude last year when he was monopolizing a couple machines, I asked if I could work in and he said he only had one set left. after like his third set, he's still sitting there, on his phone and I'm like, can you count? or do you not know what a set is?
Have read Blink. But yeah, that's actually crazy story and good thing you steered clear early on. Sometimes you just know. That spidey sense!
I can't imagine that unfolding in a public place like that. I've seen you youtube clips of fights breaking out in gyms, but that's crazy to me...
haha yeah this one gym is just trash. I almost got into it with a dude last year when he was monopolizing a couple machines, I asked if I could work in and he said he only had one set left. after like his third set, he's still sitting there, on his phone and I'm like, can you count? or do you not know what a set is?
Dustin07
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Kb snatch to warm up
Pull-ups
3 x 10
Reverse lat pull downs
2 x 12 x 115
Lat pull downs
10 x 130, 160, 190
+ 15 x 100lb dropset
DB rows
10 x 55s, 70s, 70s
+ 15 x 50s dropset
(Cardio)
Cable pull overs
3 x 15
Rear delt swings
3 x 15 x 25s
Hang power cleans
10 x 95, 135, 135
Cardio
Stairs -20min
Notes
190lbs
Oh yeah, I might like this split.
For time economy, I threw in the hang power cleans instead of shrugs and BB Rows today. Not an exact crossover but I thought it would get some trap engagement and a little explosive training.
Consistency has been excellent in March. My check-ins don't acct for the 2-a-days that happened a number of times as well.
Pull-ups
3 x 10
Reverse lat pull downs
2 x 12 x 115
Lat pull downs
10 x 130, 160, 190
+ 15 x 100lb dropset
DB rows
10 x 55s, 70s, 70s
+ 15 x 50s dropset
(Cardio)
Cable pull overs
3 x 15
Rear delt swings
3 x 15 x 25s
Hang power cleans
10 x 95, 135, 135
Cardio
Stairs -20min
Notes
190lbs
Oh yeah, I might like this split.
For time economy, I threw in the hang power cleans instead of shrugs and BB Rows today. Not an exact crossover but I thought it would get some trap engagement and a little explosive training.
Consistency has been excellent in March. My check-ins don't acct for the 2-a-days that happened a number of times as well.
MrKleen73
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Killing it in here!!!
I have also been loving Theo Vaughn's About Last Weekend. Highly entertaining, hilarious and good quality, he has really come up a lot with his podcast. Joe was even giving him flowers the last time he was on.
Dustin07
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People keep mentioning him, I might have to give him a try! the cutler podcast and also CT Fletchers documentary have been helping me through cardio lately.
and thanks! I feel like I'm in the sweet spot now, we've I've created some momentum. If I can hold myself accountable with cardio output and nutritional discipline, then things are really going to go well. I'd like to spend the next two weeks grinding hard because I have a boys weekend with my son that i know will include questionable food choices. we will likely hit the gym once as a drop in but mostly its going to be boys time, movie marathons, video games and go karts. I just can't let it set me back before beach season hits.
Dustin07
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Found some pictures from one of my last comps for me to ponder. I was pretty lean. pecks are bigger now. I'm undecide of how far I'm going to take this mission but I like to hold on to these to remind myself of what i'm capable of.
This one is probably one of my favorites. arms were never huge, but abs and the definition around the lats is fire, IMO. I don't feel conceited saying that because I don't have near this definition today, this was a different person, really. this guy was under fed and trained 2+ hours a day. (and competed)
actually. I like having these. it does light the fire a bit.
This one is probably one of my favorites. arms were never huge, but abs and the definition around the lats is fire, IMO. I don't feel conceited saying that because I don't have near this definition today, this was a different person, really. this guy was under fed and trained 2+ hours a day. (and competed)
actually. I like having these. it does light the fire a bit.
gphagan1
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You were definitely cut there…..with the extra muscle you’ve added since, when you get that lean again, you will look bigger than your scale weight, because you look around 190 there, but I know you said you were in the 170s, so just imagine how big you’ll look in the 180s that lean.
Dustin07
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Oh yeah I bounced around 172 there. Hoping to keep a little more mass that looks better even if I'm not as lean.You were definitely cut there…..with the extra muscle you’ve added since, when you get that lean again, you will look bigger than your scale weight, because you look around 190 there, but I know you said you were in the 170s, so just imagine how big you’ll look in the 180s that lean.
Dustin07
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Squats
10 x bar
5 x 95, 135, 185
3 x 5 x 225
5 x 245
10 x 135
Reverse incline DB curls
15 x 25s, 30s, 35s
Tricep cable extensions
3 x 15
SS with walking lunges
2 x 20 x +50lbs
EZ bar curls
3 x 12 x 60lbs
Cable OH ext
3 x 20
+ 15 dropset.
V squats
3 x 10
MTS leg ext
3 drop sets.
Cardio
Skipped. Left knee, the one with no ACL is a bit sore today.
Notes
Finally got a good round of golf in on a long course yesterday. We had carts, but it was cart path only on account of rain so the walking ended being about equal to just walking the course. I was sore this morning.
Planning to fast tomorrow so using today's and yesterday's calories to hit the arms a little with my planned lower day.
I've cut back PEDs to ONLY on lifting days.
Half tab (12.5mg) anavar and 1 capsule (300mg) Epiandro this week. I feel WAY better at a more moderate dose.
10 x bar
5 x 95, 135, 185
3 x 5 x 225
5 x 245
10 x 135
Reverse incline DB curls
15 x 25s, 30s, 35s
Tricep cable extensions
3 x 15
SS with walking lunges
2 x 20 x +50lbs
EZ bar curls
3 x 12 x 60lbs
- 15 x 50lbs dropset
- 20 x 40lbs dropset
Cable OH ext
3 x 20
+ 15 dropset.
V squats
3 x 10
MTS leg ext
3 drop sets.
Cardio
Skipped. Left knee, the one with no ACL is a bit sore today.
Notes
Finally got a good round of golf in on a long course yesterday. We had carts, but it was cart path only on account of rain so the walking ended being about equal to just walking the course. I was sore this morning.
Planning to fast tomorrow so using today's and yesterday's calories to hit the arms a little with my planned lower day.
I've cut back PEDs to ONLY on lifting days.
Half tab (12.5mg) anavar and 1 capsule (300mg) Epiandro this week. I feel WAY better at a more moderate dose.
Hyde
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If it doesn’t give you heartburn I would reeeeeeeally consider taking some var when fasting.
Bigger than the minute hypertrophy you possibly stand to gain from your fed training right now, Var is going to help PRESERVE markedly more muscle when used in a deficit. Both Tren and Var are unique from all other studied steroids in this glucocorticoid inhibition, and it’s their greatest asset to physique enhancement. All steroids can help grow new tissue, but no others help you keep what you already have so well. And being in a cut is not about gaining tissue as preserving while you strip the fat off.
Dustin07
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I found after prolonged use I was getting minor anxiety type symptoms that I really didn't enjoy. I wanted to figure out what part of my life was bringing it on and right now it seems like the Var. Last run I had I mostly ran 10-20mg and towards the end of the run I hit 30mg on a few key lifting days and noticed it then too but I had accounted it to the dark winter and work stress. Since it repeated it makes me think that var doses over a very moderate level just don't mesh well with me so I'm not at all opposed to it while fasting, I understand the premise there, I just want to minimize sides and maximize enjoyment lol
Hyde
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12.5mg would be plenty for that anti-catabolic benefit when fasting I spoke of.
Plenty of guys do get anxious or aggressive on Var. Many barely notice anything on it, but some will be decidedly wired up.
It also doesn’t help you’re becoming suppressed without testosterone. That is very important for wellbeing; low testosterone is often associated with anxiety in men. It will likely jive better some day if you’re on TRT while using it.
GreenMachineX
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Since you already crossed the bridge, have you considered things like tbol, 1-dhea, or lgd? Just thinking of other dry/lean gainers.
Dustin07
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Man something about yesterdays session tore me up. I'm SORE today. I said I skipped cardio, but once I got home I finished my wifes raised beds for her garden, first lawn mowing of the year, and then finally got the new fish tank filled with water which mean 130 gallons of salt water, mixed one five gallon bucket at a time then transfered to tank. that took about 3 hours by itself.
The new monster deck we built over Jan/Feb. Once we have a good solid week of dry weather (could be as late as June or July tbh, we'll see) I have to sand and stain it.
The new Monster reef tank. I consider this my therapist, lol.
aggression still generally doesn't bother me, I've noticed a few times on a big epi run when all the sudden every driver on i5 is pissing me off, then I realize it and sorta laught it off. but yeah anxiety sucks!
The new monster deck we built over Jan/Feb. Once we have a good solid week of dry weather (could be as late as June or July tbh, we'll see) I have to sand and stain it.
The new Monster reef tank. I consider this my therapist, lol.
aggression still generally doesn't bother me, I've noticed a few times on a big epi run when all the sudden every driver on i5 is pissing me off, then I realize it and sorta laught it off. but yeah anxiety sucks!
ahhhh this makes so much more sense.
I have tbol in stock, haven't used it yet, and there is 1 dhea in the gear cream I ran last summer. I am not familiar with lgd. A part of me is thinking its time to cool it on the PED's until I decide to really get serious on the TRT though. Kleen and I talked about it a lot this summer and he and I came to the conclusion I'm likely on my last few potential runs before I could face real issues, and Hyde's comments above also make a great deal of sense. Usually I hate winding down a run but right now I'm honestly looking forward to a fully natty run for a while. I have a lot of stock on anabolic effect and I'm about to get some more alpha one and carnitine from Steve.
gphagan1
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I like T bol….it’s a good performance steroid, and definitely dry gains like @GreenMachineX said. Looks like you’ve got you a good “Honey Do” list for the Spring. Although I know it’s for you too. Raised flower beds and deck looking good, and my wife and I love fish, so definitely want to see your big salt water tank when finished.
GreenMachineX
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Gotcha; makes sense. Have you run a testosterone panel free and total recently?
Dustin07
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na, I figured I would if I got serious about the TRT route. For now I'm leaning heavily towards a more natty lifestyle for a while. As much as I deny aging, being 42 now I am gaining a sense that I might be wise to work towards staying leaner as much as possible because the cuts do seem to be getting harder and the skin less elastic. so for now I'm leaning towards seeing what I can still accomlish with a more natty protocol.
GreenMachineX
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Oh yeah…the skin elasticity definitely is an issue. I have some incredible stretch marks and loose skin. I debate getting it fixed…along with the gyno.
Edit: But I hear ya on staying leaner. It’s time. Still have a ways to go here. My goal is probably just to get to 34 inch jeans which I haven’t worn in 15 years
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GreenMachineX
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For the record, it’s only like $50 for the best test when you decide to go that route. Not expensive.
Dustin07
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Oh yeah…the skin elasticity definitely is an issue. I have some incredible stretch marks and loose skin. I debate getting it fixed…along with the gyno.
Edit: But I hear ya on staying leaner. It’s time. Still have a ways to go here. My goal is probably just to get to 34 inch jeans which I haven’t worn in 15 years
I noticed on this cut that while I could force the scale down fast, it would take a few days or longer for the spare tire area to feel like it was tightening up and I know that as the years go by, that will be harder and harder so it's just sorta driving the idea into me that getting leaned and tightened up now is probably not a bad idea. Plus like Hyde mentioned in his thread as well, shirts are feeling better... slacks I bought when I was bulking up to 200+ are now fitting pretty loose. My wife got me this new gym hoodie for Christmas that I love but its a little tight so normally I only wear it at home but last week was able to throw it on comfortably at the gym.
Like, I fully accept I could get down to say 183-180 and regret a loss of strength or size in the arms and get a hankering to go back up but for now, I'm feeling pretty motivated to get leaner again.
Dustin07
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Fasted cardio
Bike - 15min
Incline treadmill - 25min
Stairs -10min
Total 50min
Notes
Knees super sore/stiff today but at the moment I think it's just tightness in the quads and calves from yesterday's lower work.
Goal was to start easy on bike and treadmill to see if it would loosen things up enough for a stairs push.
Bike - 15min
Incline treadmill - 25min
Stairs -10min
Total 50min
Notes
Knees super sore/stiff today but at the moment I think it's just tightness in the quads and calves from yesterday's lower work.
Goal was to start easy on bike and treadmill to see if it would loosen things up enough for a stairs push.
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Hyde
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I really think taking steroids/SARMs without a serious plan to be on TRT soon is asking for regret. One of the worst things about the OTC designer hormone era was the way it made androgen use feel casual. Now 1-2 decades later, look at all the guys who needed TRT who wouldn’t have otherwise chose it. But Superdrol, Xtren, etc…
I don’t really fit that demographic, but I pity those who didn’t understand.
GH btw, if money is not tight, is great to increase skin elasticity (and fatloss). It naturally declines by 30 and on, which is why clinics often prescribe 1-2iu daily if patients have the scratch. And it’s not suppressive. You can take a shot before bed and by the following evening you will produce your own again if you don’t administer that night.
I don’t really fit that demographic, but I pity those who didn’t understand.
GH btw, if money is not tight, is great to increase skin elasticity (and fatloss). It naturally declines by 30 and on, which is why clinics often prescribe 1-2iu daily if patients have the scratch. And it’s not suppressive. You can take a shot before bed and by the following evening you will produce your own again if you don’t administer that night.