SNS Tongkat Ali XT - Ultra-Potent Tongkat Ali Extract - Available Now
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sns8778
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Different people respond differently to different things.
My two issues with LJ100 are the price being so high that a person can buy a comprehensive natural test booster for the cost of it, and the way it affected me personally.
LJ100 was definitely not for me, as I rarely have ever had a supplement make me aggressive or in a bad mood, but I couldn't even stand myself when I was on it. After a week, it was one of those - apologize to everyone for being a jerk and shut my office door and try to not interact with people until it got out of my system and things leveled out type of feelings. I can't say if it helped my libido or not bc I was in too bad of a mood to even think about that. I had read and heard that from some other people, but most things don't affect me that way, and I was surprised it did.
The Bionutricia Tongkat was completely different - better mood and libido improvement, which I think is what the average person is looking for.
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sns8778
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There's no comparison between Tongkat Ali XT and Tonvara's.
I've never heard of anyone having any negative issues with sleep because of it.
The type of Tongkat Ali used in Tongkat Ali XT is the exact same that we use in Optimize-T and you can check the feedback thread on Optimize-T and you'll see that there's a lot of feedback in that thread talking about improved sleep quality.
sns8778
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We use the same Tongkat Ali in M-Test that we always have.
We made M-Test before the Bionutricia Extract was available, and the feedback was so good on M-Test, there was no reason to change it.
K21
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Just curious when you say no comparison in what way does it differ?
sns8778
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You said that the Tonvara one made you sleep worrse; I've never heard that a single time with Tongkat Ali XT or Optimize-T, and there's been a ton of feedback on Optimize-T. That's why I had mentioned in my reply that you might want to look at the feedback on that too since it uses the same Tongkat Ali that Tongkat Ali XT does.
Here's a link to the feedback thread on Optimize-T: https://anabolicminds.com/community...booster-libido-enhancer-now-available.324756/
Here is a link to a thread where someone posted bloodwork on Optimize-T a few months ago: https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/optimize-t-bloodwork.337707/
Tongkat Ali XT (and Optimize-T) use the specialized Bionutricia extract that is very specifically standardized and every batch of raw materials is independently tested by the Forestry Institute of Malaysia.
Here are some details about that from the Tongkat Ali XT write up:
What makes Bionutricia® Tongkat Ali Extract so Special?
Bionutricia® Tongkat Ali extract contains a minimum of 2% Eurycomanone and as high as 3% Eurycomanone and each batch of raw materials is tested by the Forest Research Institute of Malaysia (FRIM) to ensure the levels of several key active ingredients, primarily the Eurycomanone of the extract.
At these strengths, standardized Tongkat Ali can be used as a natural testosterone booster and libido enhancer with high dosages also being used as a PDE5 inhibitor to support improved erection quality.
In addition to its high Eurycomanone percentage, Bionutricia® Tongkat Ali extract also contains 30 – 38% Glycosaponins, 28 – 32% Polysaccharides, and 18 – 24% Protein – a truly fully disclosed extract.
Also, Bionutricia® Tongkat Ali extract is extracted using ultrasonic hot water extraction to obtain the water-soluble active ingredients (Eurycomanone, polysaccharides, protein, Glycosaponins) and doesn’t use any harsh solvents or chemicals that some brands use in order to try to achieve higher extract ratios while cutting costs.
I hope that helps.
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K21
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No never said made me tired quite the opposite. That one seemed to make sleep worse was what I wrote lol
sns8778
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I wrote it right in my first reply to you in post #57. I had wrote:
I've never heard of anyone having any negative issues with sleep because of it.
In my last post, I wrote tired rather than issues sleeping. I edited it after I saw what I did and changed it to say 'made you sleep worse'. Sorry about that.
I'm the one that's tired haha. Been posting stuff for the Black Friday Sale since before 1 o clock today.
sns8778
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I have answered your question in great detail above, especially in post #62. If you're asking something different that what I answered in the above posts or in this one, then I don't understand what you're asking.
You said that your main issue with Tonvara was that it negatively impacted your sleep. I explained to you that we have never had anyone say that about Tongkat Ali XT and explained that it was also the type that we use in Optimize-T and gave you the link to a thread where you could read a lot of feedback on it, including feedback that it helps improve sleep quality for a lot of people.
I can't speak for Tonvara, I can only speak for our product, and our product has exactly what the label says that it does and the label and the write up both declare the same and accurate information.
You said that Tonvara's is 2.4% but I think you're missing something very significant here - they do not guarantee that, they don't even guarantee a range. They say in the write up that it is "a level of about 2.4%".
BUT on their supplement facts, they do not state a % - and if its not on the supplement facts, then they aren't obligating to it actually being that. A brand can change a write up or website at any time, what's on your supplement facts panel is what you're required to meet.
Let's compare the supplement facts below:
- Tongkat Ali contains 300 mg. per capsule of a min. 2% Eurycomanone + AstraGin and Bioperine for enhanced absorption.
- Tonvara Tongkat Ali contains 1,200 mg. of an unspecified Tongkat Ali extract. It could have 2.4%, 1%, or no percent - they're not legally obligating to a percentage.
I hope that helps answer your questions.
sns8778
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No problem at all. A lot of people, including myself do that.
GQdaLEGEND
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shouldnt be .. i believe my cousin is taking 900mg
full serving of optimize T ( his base year around )
and then tongkat xt on top .. and was enjoying it
i do it with mtest and throw other stuff on top and didnt felt any bad effects
Slims
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Thank you both.
I'm trying to lower my SHBG and increase my free testosterone, and these look to be the best two supplements to do that. Especially with the Bionutricia standardized Tongkat
grovemule
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One of the best stacks ever. Would do it year round if money was no object
sns8778
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I'm honestly not sure why you would think that Physta would be anywhere near as good as Bionutricia Tongkat Ali.
Think about it like this - for context, you're asking if an ingredient that contains a min. 2% and up to 3% Eurycomanone via HPLC where every batch is independently verified by the Forestry Institute of Malaysia is as good as an ingredient that contains 50% to 75% of the Eurycomanone content, is a lot more expensive, and whose website links you to an Amazon page?
(And that's not even getting me started on how they tried to market their ingredient as a cure for Covid).
Akarali seems to be more of an Amazon brand at this point than a branded ingredient company. I don't mean that as an insult, but I seriously can't find a single brand that uses their ingredient and they have their own brand, which from their own website they link you to Amazon to buy.
I normally don't do direct comparisons with other brands, but I'll make an exception here and make an easy comparison between Tongkat Ali XT (which uses the Bionutricia Tongkat) and the Akarali Physta Tongkat:
- # of capsules per bottle:
- Tongkat Ali XT - 60 caps
- Akarali Physta - 60 caps
- Mg. per capsule:
- Tongkat Ali XT - 300 mg.
- Akarali - 200 mg.
- Mg. per bottle:
- Tongkat Ali XT - 18,000 mg.
- Akarali - 12,000 mg.
- Price:
- Tongkat Ali XT - 39.99 (31.99 average price)
- Akarali - 52.99
- Eurycomanone content:
- Tongkat Ali XT - std. to a min. 2% (and up to 3%)
- Akarali - not specified on the supplement facts; website claims 1.5%
- Note: If a brand doesn't say a % on their supplement facts, it doesn't matter what their website says. They could put zero Eurycomanone in it and be covered legally because the law goes off what your supplement facts says.
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K21
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sns8778
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You asked about Physta, I answered you about Physta, which as I said, is more of a brand than a branded ingredient at this point.
I have worked with the company that sells LJ100 for a decade, so yes, I am aware that they use the same patent as Physta does, but you didn't ask about LJ100, you asked about Physta.
LJ100 is a lot more expensive for a lot less Eurycomanone than the Bionutricia Tongkat, and there have been common reports of mood related issues in some people with LJ100, whereas a lot of people feel a mood improvement with the Bionutricia one. That was a big aspect in us choosing to offer it over LJ100 to begin with.
You've already posted once in this thread about another brands Tongkat that the label was so misleading and looked like it was printed on a 1990's dot matrix printer, that I'd throw a bottle of it in the trash if someone sent it to me for free.
sns8778
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I have always been nice to you and always answered your questions; and I'm still glad to, if they're legit questions.
But lately, you seem to have a real pattern of posting in our product intro and discussion threads about other ingredients and other companies. I was nice and patient about it all until your BS that you posted in the Ursa-Bolic thread, which was pretty obvious what your intention was.
Then you followed that up by posting some absolute lying BS in the Alpha Gel thread related to Tongkat, where you tried to pass off a study on tissue damage related to INJECTABLE Tongkat as applying to topical use - which was ridiculous bc it was talking about damage to the internal injection site. Then when people called you out on the BS, you deleted the posts - which for anyone that wants to see how hard you were trying to discredit Bionutricia Tongkat in that thread, they can still see it in the quotes where I quoted you on it.
If you want to keep this going, I suggest you take the time to research the patents on the Physta one because my next post back to you will be detailing how the patents on the ones you're trying to promote have absolutely nothing to do with increasing testosterone levels, how some of them are abandoned, and they did one based on immune function just to be able to continue to says its patented. (And comically, their claims that it could cure Covid lol).
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Bigbri01
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Hopefully that has shut him down.