Advice for SARMS for loosing weight and maintain muscle

Exellerro

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Hi.
I'm planning to do a cycle of Cardarine (Core Labs X Cardarine GW-501516) and Ostarine (Magnus Pharm) for about month.
Dosage would be about 20mg of each.

Goal is to accelerate loosing weight without loosing too much muscle.

Would this be good stack, what PCT should I run after cycle?

I was planning to add Ibutamoren to the stack but more I read about it.... it's just not worth it.

Just to make clear I'm open to suggestions if there is something better and safer, especially something that doesn't shut me down or doesn't shutdown too much.

Thank you.
 
I've watched osta crush ppls testosterone to single digits in 2 weeks so keep that in mind, all sarms need a real pct. I would love to tell you that all these things are going to speed up your weight loss but they're really not that's going to be mostly diet and cardio and the sarm will help hold tissue and the carderine will give you the ability to exert more energy. Sarms and steroids are good at helping ppl gain weight or hold on to muscle during a cut. If you're not someone carrying a above average amount of muscle mass then you don't really need to worry about holding on to muscle on a cut, just cut your calories down into your cardio. Maybe look to fat burners. Mitoburn is a food mon stim burner. And I'd pick literally any sarm over osta. Lgd and rad are the most user friendly in my opinion. I also rep for maresearchchems. Screen name is a 15% off code
 
What about running only Cardarine?

I'm not doing a cut rather shedding some serious weight.
Was very active, muscular and fit, stopped with trainings and from 90 kg gained ~65 kg in two years.

I've heard good things about Iconic Formulations, do they have something for losing weight and preventing too much muscle lost.
 
Exellerro said:
What about running only Cardarine?

I'm not doing a cut rather shedding some serious weight.
Was very active, muscular and fit, stopped with trainings and from 90 kg gained ~65 kg in two years.

I've heard good things about Iconic Formulations, do they have something for losing weight and preventing too much muscle lost.
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@delsolrob can help you with that
 
Exellerro said:
What about running only Cardarine?

I'm not doing a cut rather shedding some serious weight.
Was very active, muscular and fit, stopped with trainings and from 90 kg gained ~65 kg in two years.

I've heard good things about Iconic Formulations, do they have something for losing weight and preventing too much muscle lost.
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11-kt is king of fat loss while preventing muscle waste.

I would run Ultra Eleven for 8 weeks at 3-5 pumps daily - will require two bottles to run for 8 weeks.

Cardarine stacks incredibly well with 11-kt for fat loss.
 
You mean Iron Legion XI-KT and Iconic Formulations Ultra Eleven?

So my stack would be XI-KT, Ultra Eleven and Cardarine, if I understood you correctly?
Should I do PCT with this stack?
 
Got your DM

My advise - stick to the basics for a while - there's no need to jump into anything hormonal at this time.

Get your diet and training on point - get a solid pre workout - All Out Sweat By Iconic Formulations is an amazing pre that will also aid in your fat loss journey.

Things you may consider starting out with:
Sustain Alpha - this is a great natural testosterone booster that also has a ton of other benefits.
All Out Sweat Pre workout
Iconogenin - natural anabolic

when you're close to your goal, when you've started to plateau...that's when you may want to consider adding something more aggressive. But, I honestly believe you would be throwing your money away right now to run something like 11-kt when you still have 60kg (132lbs) to lose.

I'm just being honest here - this isn't really in my benefit to advise you not to use one of our flagship products.

You're going to make a ton of progress over the next 6 months without the need for a lot of help from supplements/anabolics. I do think Sustain Alpha is one of the best things you can take right now - as you likely have some hormonal imbalances from the weight gain.
 
I personally don't see a problem starting cardarine, as I think there is potential for benefit for endurance and lipids.

another thing I would recommend is a good joint supplement - SNS makes same great options - Steve (@sns8778) can likely advise on some of their joint formulas (like Joint XT or Cissus XT). Your joints can take a little bit of a beating when you're increasing activity and holding onto a bit of added weight - even I run into this when I'm bulking and adding just 15-20lbs...my knees know I've added that weight.
 
Thank you for your advice.

Regarding Sustain Alpha, I was gonna ask you about it because its natural test booster and a lot of good reviews... glad you mentioned it.

Could I add EndoAmp Max and Ultra Hard to the stack?

To recap, stack would be:
Sustain Alpha, All Out Sweat Pre workout, Iconogenin, EndoAmp Max for first cycle of 4-5 weeks.

I would add Cardarine and Ultra Hard on second cycle, don't want to stress body too much on my first cycle.

As far as I can say, this stack would not be suppresive, event with Cardarine (which is not suppresive by itself).
 
endoamp, I can't speak highly enough of this product! the long term benefits are incredible.

Ultra Hard would be something I'd consider much further down the road.

Sustain Alpha, All Out Sweat, EndoAmp and Iconogenin would be great and you can run them together for extended periods without requiring a break or PCT. EndoAmp is a product that has huge long term benefits and it's also one that works better the longer you use it. the compounded effects over time are 🔥
 
Smont said:
but they're really not that's going to be mostly diet and cardio and the sarm will help hold tissue and the carderine will give you the ability to exert more energy
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Agreed here! So much depends on diet and cardio. Other stuff is the cherry on top.
 
delsolrob said:
I personally don't see a problem starting cardarine, as I think there is potential for benefit for endurance and lipids.

another thing I would recommend is a good joint supplement - SNS makes same great options - Steve (@sns8778) can likely advise on some of their joint formulas (like Joint XT or Cissus XT). Your joints can take a little bit of a beating when you're increasing activity and holding onto a bit of added weight - even I run into this when I'm bulking and adding just 15-20lbs...my knees know I've added that weight.
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Funny you mention the joints when gaining weight. Any time I've pushed my bulks past 220 my ankles, knees and lower back know it!
 
delsolrob said:
endoamp, I can't speak highly enough of this product! the long term benefits are incredible.

Ultra Hard would be something I'd consider much further down the road.

Sustain Alpha, All Out Sweat, EndoAmp and Iconogenin would be great and you can run them together for extended periods without requiring a break or PCT. EndoAmp is a product that has huge long term benefits and it's also one that works better the longer you use it. the compounded effects over time are 🔥
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Got it, thank you.

Regarding joint support, I've started to use collagen type I and III... but as Smont mentioned, I can feel my knees hurting a little since I've gain so much weight.
Also, shoulders started to hurt when I wake up from all that added weight, I sleep on the sides and stomach down.

I'll contact sns8778 when I go through the current batch of the collagen.

Thankfully, joints and lower back are good.

Appreciate help from everyone, you helped me a lot, thank you,
 
Exellerro said:
How much application per day of Sustain Alpha is recommended for 340 lbs person?
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I would start with 4 pumps daily - you should see quite a bit of benefit at this dose. If you feel you need an added boost, you can up to 5 pumps after a few weeks. I would recommend running it for 8 weeks. If you wanted to continue to run it, you should take a 4 week break before giving it another round. You should see a pretty quick boost to libido, energy and mood. Some of the drying effects should also start kicking in after a week or two.
 
I'm sure everyone has weighed in similar but its a good idea to get the basics on point first. Diet, Sleep, Exercise - and any supplements that support those 'habits' without a lot of risk that the hormonal stuff might hold is a better focus.

To address your original Cardarine/ Ostarine question... If energy to get into the gym is your issue Cardarine is going to help with that, and you will be able to run it longer than proposed. A motivator might be a good idea - so if cardarine is that for you then it makes sense. Ostarine however is really high risk with very low reward. It does not really burn fat but people say its a cutter as it preserves muscle on a cut. Since your goal seems to be overall weight loss risking shutting down your test and gaining more weight and having low energy isnt worth keeping a lb of muscle. Take glutamine, l-citruline, and EAAs will preserve just as well IMO. There are other mild PEDs that are better and safer as others mentioned above. You also mentioned MK which is fairly low risk IMO not hormonal. You might get some muscle gains from MK and some people do lean out on it, but you get SUPER hungry the first two weeks so if overeating is your issue, AVOID.

If it were me, I would plan this as a year rather than a 'cycle'. First few months, I would get a free calorie tracker, force myself to the gym 5 days a week with really relaxed expectations or tag along w a fit friend, and find a good pre workout or supplement (or maybe cardarine) to motivate me to stick to this habit. Next few months you wont have to track calories as religiously and you'll begin to like the gym- it will all be more habitual. You can then throw in fat burners or thermogenics like L-Carnitine , ECGC, mitoburn , forskolin and maybe creatine for a performance boost- and take a break from the stim pre / cardarine. The rest of the year youll likely continue to get newbie / muscle memory gains , and fat loss - but you could support and enhance that with natural anabolics or peptides (MK-677, tesamorelin, tesofinsine) and avoid the risk of shutting down or extra body fat converting too much estrogen with something hormonal.
After a year, getting the habits right and getting down to 20% or less BF, and researching more, you can consider the riskier stuff.
 
delsolrob said:
I would start with 4 pumps daily - you should see quite a bit of benefit at this dose. If you feel you need an added boost, you can up to 5 pumps after a few weeks. I would recommend running it for 8 weeks. If you wanted to continue to run it, you should take a 4 week break before giving it another round. You should see a pretty quick boost to libido, energy and mood. Some of the drying effects should also start kicking in after a week or two.
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Thanks.
I've ordered 3 bottles, that will last about 8 weeks.
Can I occasionally go for 6 pumps? E.g. every week one or two days, would that be ok?

I've decided, before going full stack with products you recommended, to try them separately first to see effects of each one on myself.

Bought All Out Sweat and Ultra Edition first, honestly I have mixed reaction.
Don't feel much change in energy, more sweating or pumps in case of Ultra Edition.
Maybe because I've received them basically as clumped blocks which I have to carve and they have lost potency... or maybe my body doesn't respond to them.

On Ultra Edition tub I can see LOT (240601) and expiry date (10/2024) but on Sweat tub there is nothing, no LOT or EXP info.

Next I've started to use EndoAmp Max and logged it, next week is the end of the cycle and then I'm gonna run Sustain Alpha.
Check it out if you already didn't >> https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/iconic-formulations-endoamp-max-log-unsponsored.338179
 
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AwakeningAlpha said:
I'm sure everyone has weighed in similar but its a good idea to get the basics on point first. Diet, Sleep, Exercise - and any supplements that support those 'habits' without a lot of risk that the hormonal stuff might hold is a better focus.

To address your original Cardarine/ Ostarine question... If energy to get into the gym is your issue Cardarine is going to help with that, and you will be able to run it longer than proposed. A motivator might be a good idea - so if cardarine is that for you then it makes sense. Ostarine however is really high risk with very low reward. It does not really burn fat but people say its a cutter as it preserves muscle on a cut. Since your goal seems to be overall weight loss risking shutting down your test and gaining more weight and having low energy isnt worth keeping a lb of muscle. Take glutamine, l-citruline, and EAAs will preserve just as well IMO. There are other mild PEDs that are better and safer as others mentioned above. You also mentioned MK which is fairly low risk IMO not hormonal. You might get some muscle gains from MK and some people do lean out on it, but you get SUPER hungry the first two weeks so if overeating is your issue, AVOID.

If it were me, I would plan this as a year rather than a 'cycle'. First few months, I would get a free calorie tracker, force myself to the gym 5 days a week with really relaxed expectations or tag along w a fit friend, and find a good pre workout or supplement (or maybe cardarine) to motivate me to stick to this habit. Next few months you wont have to track calories as religiously and you'll begin to like the gym- it will all be more habitual. You can then throw in fat burners or thermogenics like L-Carnitine , ECGC, mitoburn , forskolin and maybe creatine for a performance boost- and take a break from the stim pre / cardarine. The rest of the year youll likely continue to get newbie / muscle memory gains , and fat loss - but you could support and enhance that with natural anabolics or peptides (MK-677, tesamorelin, tesofinsine) and avoid the risk of shutting down or extra body fat converting too much estrogen with something hormonal.
After a year, getting the habits right and getting down to 20% or less BF, and researching more, you can consider the riskier stuff.
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I was pretty active guy; trained taekwondo for 5 years and then transitioned to long distance swimming and weight training for about 6 years.

For those 6 years I had 6-8 training per week (4 days swimming/ 2-4 days weight lifting) and two days back-to-back sessions; swimming and an hour later was hitting the weights.

Weighted around 90 kilos (200 pounds), looked and felt really great, bursting of energy... calorie intake of about 4000 - 4500 to calories per day... regarding supplements used only whey proteins, creatine, zinc and occasionally test booster (tribulus).

Then life happened and had to quit training altogether but still ate over 2500-3000 calories because I have big appetite and was used to eat a lot just to maintain weight and energy levels... in two years I've gained some 60-65 kilos (~143 pounds).

Started to train box and weight lifting/cardio in non-training days and I've started to lose weight steadily.

Anyway, regarding SARMS (except Cardarine)... for now and forseeable future I'm not gonna use them because PCT is not exact science and don't want to mess with my hormones, especially when there are good natural test booster...

MK-677, I've read a lot of reviews from people who used it and some general consensus is it's not worth it, especially because it can mess your insulin sensitivity, prolactin build up and water retention.

As for Cardarine, I've already received two types (501516 and improved 0742) from Core Labs X.
But I'm not gonna use them yet, first I wan't to see effects of Sustain Alpha for about 3-4 weeks and then I'll include Cardarine.

On first cycle I'll run 501516 for about 6-8 weeks and on second cycle (after at least 6 weeks off) I'll use 0742, to compare them.
 
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Exellerro said:
I was pretty active guy; trained taekwondo for 5 years and then transitioned to long distance swimming and weight training for about 6 years.

For those 6 years I had 6-8 training per week (4 days swimming/ 2-4 days weight lifting) and two days back-to-back sessions; swimming and an hour later was hitting the weights.

Weighted around 90 kilos (200 pounds), looked and felt really great, bursting of energy... calorie intake of about 4000 - 4500 to calories per day... regarding supplements used only whey proteins, creatine, zinc and occasionally test booster (tribulus).

Then life happened and had to quit training altogether but still ate over 2500-3000 calories because I have big appetite and was used to eat a lot just to maintain weight and energy levels... in two years I've gained some 60-65 kilos (~143 pounds).

Started to train box and weight lifting/cardio in non-training days and I've started to lose weight steadily.

Anyway, regarding SARMS (except Cardarine)... for now and forseeable future I'm not gonna use them because PCT is not exact science and don't want to mess with my hormones, especially when there are good natural test booster...

MK-677, I've read a lot of reviews from people who used it and some general consensus is it's not worth it, especially because it can mess your insulin sensitivity, prolactin build up and water retention.

As for Cardarine, I've already received two types (501516 and improved 0742) from Core Labs X.
But I'm not gonna use them yet, first I wan't to see effects of Sustain Alpha for about 3-4 weeks and then I'll include Cardarine.

On first cycle I'll run 501516 for about 6-8 weeks and on second cycle (after at least 6 weeks off) I'll use 0742, to compare them.
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Sounds like a good plan. Best of luck!
 
Exellerro said:
Thanks.
I've ordered 3 bottles, that will last about 8 weeks.
Can I occasionally go for 6 pumps? E.g. every week one or two days, would that be ok?

I've decided, before going full stack with products you recommended, to try them separately first to see effects of each one on myself.

Bought All Out Sweat and Ultra Edition first, honestly I have mixed reaction.
Don't feel much change in energy, more sweating or pumps in case of Ultra Edition.
Maybe because I've received them basically as clumped blocks which I have to carve and they have lost potency... or maybe my body doesn't respond to them.

On Ultra Edition tub I can see LOT (240601) and expiry date (10/2024) but on Sweat tub there is nothing, no LOT or EXP info.

Next I've started to use EndoAmp Max and logged it, next week is the end of the cycle and then I'm gonna run Sustain Alpha.
Check it out if you already didn't >> https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/iconic-formulations-endoamp-max-log-unsponsored.338179
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got your emails and decided to follow up here - have been swamped and haven't had much time to get on AM.

You should use sustain alpha daily - the ingredients in sustain alpha through a number of mechanisms to increase testosterone, but one of the main ways is by modulating estrogen - by lowering estrogen, we can trick the HPTA/HPG into increasing testosterone production. this gives you higher testosterone and lowered estrogen. Overweight men tend to have higher estrogen and are also more sensitive to estrogen...this makes losing weight more challenging. Using a tool like sustain alpha should help get those hormone imbalances back on track so you can lose the weight.

Per your other thread, it looks like your estradiol is about 3-4x where it should be and your testosterone is well below reference range

Copied E2 and Test from your other thread:
Estradiol (E2) - 134 pmol/L (I believe the healthy range should be 10-50)
Testosterone - 7.28 nmol/L (I believe the healthy range should be 10-35)

Using sustain alpha occasionally will not be effective at achieving this. Also, you really don't want to be bouncing your hormones around throughout the week.

if you'd like further reading on this topic:
https://iconicformulations.com/blog...-how-estrogen-impacts-testosterone-production

For the pre's:

All of our pre's should have a lot code and date on them. These do have clumping issues - if I'm not mistaken the combination of ALCAR and Citruline Malate has caused the sweat ones to get pretty hard. This isn't a problem of efficacy, but a symptom of the combination of ingredients. The Ultra edition has a boat load of GMS (hydroprime) and although we used the patented non clumping version, this still remains a problem - for almost all pre workouts containing large amounts of GMS.

How is your normal caffeine intake? The pre's are all dosed with 225mg caffeine - this is a moderate dose that should give about as much caffeine as 2.5 cups of coffee - this should be plenty to get you moving. We do use a significant dose of theanine that also smooths out the stimulant effect - the combination of theanine and caffeine is great for mood and focus, without making you feel jittery...if you're used the jittery effect of caffeine, this may make it feel too smooth to you. But, you should still notice a bit of focus and energy. Some guys don't like the combination because they want that caffeinated feel. This was formulated with the intention of making the energy really smooth, without the jitters.

Sweat: Frankly, at this stage of the game, you should be sweating your ass off in your workouts anyway. I'm not much of a sweater when I weight train, but the combination of BAIBA (MitoBurn), GBB, Theobromine, Synephrine, and grains of paradise (Caloriburn) will usually get me sweating during any workout. But, some people still don't sweat, but these ingredients are working to help promote fat loss.

Pump: the pump ingredients in there are designed to draw water into the muscle and increase blood flow to the muscles. this may be something you'll need to continue training before you'll really notice.
 
delsolrob said:
Copied E2 and Test from your other thread:
Estradiol (E2) - 134 pmol/L (I believe the healthy range should be 10-50)
Testosterone - 7.28 nmol/L (I believe the healthy range should be 10-35)
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This is my test result with healthy ranges (Referentni interval) according to the lab.

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Testosterone (this is total not free testosterone) is somewhat lower than minimum but E2 is in the range, although in the upper range.
I have to say that my libido is very strong even with this lower testosterone result.

I've made a mistake and didn't test for the free testosterone also but that will be corrected tomorrow.
Tomorrow's result will be base to which I'll compare Alpha Sustain results.

Regarding Alpha Sustain....
delsolrob said:
Using sustain alpha occasionally will not be effective at achieving this. Also, you really don't want to be bouncing your hormones around throughout the week.
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You misunderstood me.
I meant using Alpha every day at 5 pumps (start with 4) and one or two days each week increase to 6 pumps, since I'm 340lbs.
Also, 3 bottles of 4-5 pumps per day will overshoot my 8 week cycle by some 10+ days, depends for how long I'll use starter dose of 4 pumps... or I go for somewhat longer cycle.

Pumps per bottle: 115
3 pumps per day will last 38 days – for 150-190lb users.
4 pumps per day will last 28 days – for 191-230lb users.
5 pumps per day will last 23 days – for 230lb+ users. (I'm 110lbs heavier)

What is best time to apply Sustain Alpha or is any time good?

Regarding pre's, I'll continue to use them and see what happens.

Thank you.
 
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Oops, I had a find a calculator to run these conversions:

for my reference:
Estradiol (E2) - 134 pmol/L = 36.5 pg/mL reference range I have from labCorp is : 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
Testosterone - 7.28 pmol/L = 210 pg/dL reference range I have from labCorp is : 264-916 ng/dL

I'm guessing the testosterone is 7.28 pmol/L and not nmol/L...is that correct?

Sorry I misunderstood the pump question - I would stick with a consistent amount of pumps - I don't think there's benefit to adding a pump a couple times a week

I always apply first thing in the morning - if you workout in the AM, apply after your post workout shower.
 
delsolrob said:
Oops, I had a find a calculator to run these conversions:

for my reference:
Estradiol (E2) - 134 pmol/L = 36.5 pg/mL reference range I have from labCorp is : 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
Testosterone - 7.28 pmol/L = 210 pg/dL reference range I have from labCorp is : 264-916 ng/dL

I'm guessing the testosterone is 7.28 pmol/L and not nmol/L...is that correct?

Sorry I misunderstood the pump question - I would stick with a consistent amount of pumps - I don't think there's benefit to adding a pump a couple times a week

I always apply first thing in the morning - if you workout in the AM, apply after your post workout shower.
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The testosterone is nmol/L so his result = 210 ng/dL
 
Test results are back...

Hormone levels old vs new
HormoneOld valuesNew valuesDifference
Estradiol (E2)134 pmol/L102 pmol/L-32 pmol/L (-23%)
Cortisol358 nmol/L192 nmol/L-166 nmol/L (-46.37%)
GH (somatropin)0.048 ng/mL0.076 ng/mL+0.028 ng/mL (+58,33%)
Testosterone7.28 nmol/L8.15 nmol/L+0.87 nmol/L (+11,95%)

I'll attach entire lab result when I start log for Alpha Sustain, still waiting the package.

I have to say that EndoAmp Max surprised me.
@delsolrob what is maximum "recommended/safe" cycle length for EndoAmp Max?

Check log if you're intrested >> https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/iconic-formulations-endoamp-max-log-unsponsored.338179
 
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Exellerro said:
I was pretty active guy; trained taekwondo for 5 years and then transitioned to long distance swimming and weight training for about 6 years.

For those 6 years I had 6-8 training per week (4 days swimming/ 2-4 days weight lifting) and two days back-to-back sessions; swimming and an hour later was hitting the weights.

Weighted around 90 kilos (200 pounds), looked and felt really great, bursting of energy... calorie intake of about 4000 - 4500 to calories per day... regarding supplements used only whey proteins, creatine, zinc and occasionally test booster (tribulus).

Then life happened and had to quit training altogether but still ate over 2500-3000 calories because I have big appetite and was used to eat a lot just to maintain weight and energy levels... in two years I've gained some 60-65 kilos (~143 pounds).

Started to train box and weight lifting/cardio in non-training days and I've started to lose weight steadily.

Anyway, regarding SARMS (except Cardarine)... for now and forseeable future I'm not gonna use them because PCT is not exact science and don't want to mess with my hormones, especially when there are good natural test booster...

MK-677, I've read a lot of reviews from people who used it and some general consensus is it's not worth it, especially because it can mess your insulin sensitivity, prolactin build up and water retention.

As for Cardarine, I've already received two types (501516 and improved 0742) from Core Labs X.
But I'm not gonna use them yet, first I wan't to see effects of Sustain Alpha for about 3-4 weeks and then I'll include Cardarine.

On first cycle I'll run 501516 for about 6-8 weeks and on second cycle (after at least 6 weeks off) I'll use 0742, to compare them.
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MK and carderine are not sarms. Sarms, mk and carderine are all 3 separate classes of drugs with no overlap or any similarities
 
Exellerro said:
Test results are back...

Hormone levels old vs new
HormoneOld valuesNew valuesDifference
Estradiol (E2)134 pmol/L102 pmol/L-32 pmol/L (-23%)
Cortisol358 nmol/L192 nmol/L-166 nmol/L (-46.37%)
GH (somatropin)0.048 ng/mL0.076 ng/mL+0.028 ng/mL (+58,33%)
Testosterone7.28 nmol/L8.15 nmol/L+0.87 nmol/L (+11,95%)

I'll attach entire lab result when I start log for Alpha Sustain, still waiting the package.

I have to say that EndoAmp Max surprised me.
@delsolrob what is maximum "recommended/safe" cycle length for EndoAmp Max?

Check log if you're intrested >> https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/iconic-formulations-endoamp-max-log-unsponsored.338179
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Looks like all are moving in the right direction 👌
 
Exellerro said:
Test results are back...

Hormone levels old vs new
HormoneOld valuesNew valuesDifference
Estradiol (E2)134 pmol/L102 pmol/L-32 pmol/L (-23%)
Cortisol358 nmol/L192 nmol/L-166 nmol/L (-46.37%)
GH (somatropin)0.048 ng/mL0.076 ng/mL+0.028 ng/mL (+58,33%)
Testosterone7.28 nmol/L8.15 nmol/L+0.87 nmol/L (+11,95%)

I'll attach entire lab result when I start log for Alpha Sustain, still waiting the package.

I have to say that EndoAmp Max surprised me.
@delsolrob what is maximum "recommended/safe" cycle length for EndoAmp Max?

Check log if you're intrested >> https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/iconic-formulations-endoamp-max-log-unsponsored.338179
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Great progress already!

There is no max cycle length - this is a product that works better the longer used - no need to cycle.

The long term effects of PS are incredible - main ingredient in endoamp

Some great info on PS:
https://iconicformulations.com/blog...the-anti-aging-benefits-of-phosphatidylserine
 
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