AndrewMcD
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Yes. I went down to 4 caps after the 8th day and still noticed this general malaise and brain fog.
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Yes. I went down to 4 caps after the 8th day and still noticed this general malaise and brain fog.
GQdaLEGEND
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im totally against this .. i recommend the other way around .. start low and go high
if sides occur in low .. more then likely you will know higher it will
if sides doesn't occur in low and occurs in high then you know .. to stay at recommended dosages.
i do know people at double dosages who love it .. but yeah sometimes not everything sits with everyone, which is why trying solo ingredient products is always a good route to go.
ActionFigure3
New member
SNS is one of the best companies in the industry! Love their products. But I too felt this same exact feeling. I felt super tired and noticeably weaker during my workouts so I stopped taking it. I too believe it’s just the Apigenin not mixing well with me. It’s used as a sleep aid quite often in formulas. Mediator is a phenomenal ingredient though.
No disrespect at all, but any chance of possibly making a Mediator only version for those of us that are sensitive to Apigenin? It would probably make it more feasible if people wanted to run it at higher doses and not have to worry about taking high amounts of apigenin.
Dustin07
Legend
Yeah this ☝
I probably notice it about a week in, and notice I miss it about 1-2 weeks after I run out. Generally more fullness in the muscles, biceps seem more pumped and firmer all day.
Hyde
Legend
Sucks to hear this was a bust for you man.
Regarding this question, I wanted to point out that cortisol elevates significantly during hard training, especially after the 45 minute range. That’s the point where it begins to work against your building efforts, so unless you have very abbreviated training sessions a product like apigenin could potentially benefit by helping to mitigate that excess.
Cortisol is a balancing hormone, and you want it balanced. You don’t want it crushed, but you certainly don’t want it blasting for an extended period either.
sns8778
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Thank you. I'm really glad to hear that you're liking Anabolic XT.
Most people see a difference with muscle fullness and strength pretty quickly with Phosphatidic Acid XT.
The suggested use is 4 capsules per day. You can take 4 capsules at once or 2 capsules twice per day.
A lot of people like to load it for the first 2 to 4 weeks by doubling the dose. That helps the body hit a saturation level faster.
sns8778
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I'm sorry to hear that you're saying it had that effect on you.
If it is the Apigenin making you feel that way, then you are extremely sensitive to it.
Api-Plex is an extremely popular product for us under CEL and the dosage is 200 mg. per capsule and a lot of people use 1 capsule daily year round for health, anti-aging, and longevity purposes and then do 400 to 600 mg. per day for bodybuilding purposes.
^^^ in context, Phosphatidic Acid XT has 50 mg. Apigenin so even if you double it, that's 100 mg.; which is half of 1 dose of Api-Plex.
You said you have no idea why the directions say to take 1 hour before your workout; the directions are:
As a dietary supplement, take four (4) capsules daily.
You can take 4 capsules in the morning with a protein rich meal or shake or take 4 capsules one hour prior to working out or take 2 capsules in the morning and 2 capsules prior to working out.
^^^ the reason that we suggest a dose pre-workout is because that is what Chemi Nutra, the patent holder, suggests the dosing as for Mediator; that's what the patent holder on Senactiv suggests the dosing to be for Senactiv; and that's what some of the studies on Apigenin as related to muscle gain, endurance, etc. were on Apigenin.
So, the reason we suggest it to be used the way we do is because we base the dosing on the clinical studies.
A couple of others have already addressed the cortisol/workout subject above (thank you); I have nothing more to add to that other than I agree with what they posted on it.
sns8778
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Thank you. I appreciate the kind words and support.
I want to clarify one thing though - Apigenin isn't an actual sleep aid, not in the traditional sense. Apigenin helps support relaxation, so it may help support restful sleep, especially in people whose sleep issues are largely related to stress and anxiety and their mind racing.
Even double dosing Phosphatidic Acid XT, the Apigenin dose is only half the dose of one capsule of Api-Plex for example.
I'm sorry to hear that you seem super sensitive to Apigenin though. It's a great ingredient itself for a wide variety of different things, but I always state a lot that different things work different for different people.
sns8778
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Very well said and I agree. I notice increased muscle fullness quickly from it and the strength gains are very nice and consistent. And you're right - DOMS is almost non-existent on it, especially after a couple of weeks of using it.
sns8778
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I want to clarify something - are you talking about 750 mg. per day of active Phosphatidic Acid or 750 mg. Mediator?
Phosphatidic Acid XT contains 1,500 mg. Mediator PA providing 750 mg. active Phosphatidic Acid per 4 capsules.
For most people, results start within the first week to two weeks and they see noticeable improvements in muscle fullness and increases in strength and the strength gains are very consistent.
Dustin07
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I'd love to see your feedback/experience with it. I could probably list 20 different products I've used in the last 12 months and as hard as it is for me to really explain it, PA XT seems to be probably a top 3 product that stands out to me as providing the most noticeable impact. I'm finishing another bottle today, actually and so I'm sorta looking forward to a few weeks without it to confirm to me that it's as potent as I think it is.
Dustin07
Legend
it sorta reminds me of that infamous Arnold quote from Pumping Iron.
My guess is in about a week I'll be hitting Steve up for an emergency bottle or two since I finished mine today.
Bob1983
New member
Seen all the different loading protocols ppl are using but curious to know when roughly full saturation is reached if using the normal 4 capsules per day dosage from the get go?
sns8778
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Taking 4 caps per day is the studied dose so it’s a great dose and you should see benefits pretty quickly.
Those of us loading it are just hoping for more quicker or more overall. Like in my case, trying to come back from a serious injury and having very high protein intake.
DieselNY
Well-known member
I'm absolutely a huge fan of loading and I've done it on various thing's like creatine, carnitine and even bpc157... my loading protocols are absolutely awesome and always work way better than just taking a little bit every day.
So that's why I think PA definitely needs to be loaded into the system ...myself and many of my clients and friends and colleagues do it that way with **excellent** results... so I would get a bottle or 2 just to load on it and then get a bottle for daily maintenance dosage
AwakeningAlpha
Active member
2 weeks in and I'm loving it. Definitely feel fuller and stronger. A bit of a recomp result in appearance too. I haven't felt lethargy some are talking about, but I like cortisol blockers even pre workout (Laxogenin, carbs etc).
For those that exceed the 4 cap dosage, what is the added effect/ result?
What type of schedule do you suggest? 2,2,2?
For those that exceed the 4 cap dosage, what is the added effect/ result?
What type of schedule do you suggest? 2,2,2?
Bob1983
New member
Was wondering as Im 2 weeks into PA and also taking AXT and Alpha gel. Im keeping on the AXT as a bridge until PA kicks in and then want to drop that and save for later and keep on just PA and Alpha gel for a while.
Bob1983
New member
Difficult to tell as I've been on AXT for a while and have started both PA and Alpha gel around 2 weeks ago. I'm enjoying something but don't know what lol. I've been taking 4 a day for 2 weeks. May load 8 a day for the next week whilst I'm having a deload week and then go back to 4.
AwakeningAlpha
Active member
SO youre saying after 8 caps I'll look like this?
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sns8778
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I'm doing a stack of Phosphatidic Acid XT, Anabolic XT, and Anabolic Effect right now myself and really enjoying it.
There's no actual need to load with Phosphatidic Acid XT, it just helps some people start to see maximum results faster. I would say 90%+ of people don't load on it and still love it.
sns8778
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I'm really glad that you're liking it.
Doubling the dose just helps get to a saturation point faster for maximum results quicker; this in my opinion can be especially beneficial for people like myself that have a very high protein intake since it helps increase protein synthesis.
I loaded the first month with 4 caps twice per day for myself. 4 in the morning and then 4 8 to 12 hours apart, about an hour before my workout on workout days.
sns8778
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Phosphatidic Acid XT would be great for that.
For other options, I would say Anabolic XT, Anacyclus XT, and Anabolic Effect would be great options.
I'm doing Anabolic XT, Anabolic Effect, and Phosphatidic Acid XT right now myself and I've had great strength gains. I hadn't been able to train in a year and a half because of breaking my shoulder and my leg, and I had started back in mid-June with some light training. I started the stack in mid-July and my strength gains have been so good that I've had to have several self help talks with myself and make myself slow things down strength wise to let my tendons and ligaments catch up.
AwakeningAlpha
Active member
Smelling salts and carbohydrates. haha. I also like epicatechin, arachiodonic acid (for the first month), betaine anhydrous, and HMB for strength.
Jensing
New member
All great recommendations. Thanks guys. I've never tried Amentoflavone or Anabolic XT so I'll look into those. Citrulline, Creatine, and Betaine are already in there. ARA just dries out my joints too much that I'd be worried about that with squats. I might add a natural anabolic or 2 in there.
Hyde
Legend
ARA sucks for strength training - if you can’t train heavy on it, you can’t get stronger.
Amentoflavone as mentioned is going to be a great addition with the PA.
Don’t sleep on Choline and nootropics to help you focus on and improve your technique. I always increase choline supplementation coming into contest.
Hyde
Legend
I strongly believe using Focus XT, creatine, and noopept on technique-focused squat days is how I produced my best squat ever. I needed to learn how to squat better more than I needed to get bigger.
TheMrMuscle
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Just wanted to let people know that ive started a new log with this and a bunch other supplements:
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GQdaLEGEND
Legend
Ya the stack I am running with PA-xt is really humming along right now. Not even focused on leg strength this cycle and hit 330lbs x 2 x 2 for paused Front Squats today.
nice .. im going on 4 weeks of PA w/ swole caps + turkestone ( i know i know pple will say its garbage )
but i started solo and noticed something from it so i picked up more MA-turk 750 and loving these 3 stacked.
replacing turk with pepti-plex i think its a better option which my gym partner is running PA +pepti and he loves it .. i already knows what it brings to the table but staying patience and will run it next month once i cut off turk
sns8778
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I think a lot of people just repeat what others have said without looking at the facts and a big fact is that different brands have different levels of quality and different things with raw materials. Turkesterone-750 is a good seller for Muscle Addiction and I really, really enjoyed Ecdy-Plex from CEL which uses the same type Turkesterone. The only reason I took it out of my regimen is that we're sold out at the moment and I'll be adding it back in when we get it back in. So imo, that sounds like a good stack.
Pepti-Plex + Phosphatidic Acid XT is a great stack too and I'm glad that your workout partner is liking it.
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
sns8778
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The thing with people bashing Tribulus is weird to me.
I think its because some brands really do overhype it promoting it as a test booster and maybe that bring some of the backlash on it. But it really is great for libido and if that's what someone is looking for, a good Tribulus is great for that.
Plus, I think its always important to look at things in context - and in context, Tribulus first became associated with increasing testosterone back in the early 90's and in all fairness, for that time period, it was a good ingredient for that as compared to the other options available at the time. And also, in context of the 90's, most people back then did assume that anything that increased libido increased testosterone. Knowledge has just simply evolved since then.
Like our Tribulus-750, I would never suggest it for just test boosting, but if someone is looking for a libido increase, its a great inexpensive add-on to other products.
sns8778
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We just received Prime XT back in stock and added a new stack to the website that is an awesome deal.
Promo codes: primext20 and summer20 will work thru June 30th or while supplies last. (we expect Prime XT to sell out)
https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/anabolic-xt-pepti-plex-phosphatidic-acid-xt-prime-xt/
sns8778
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It's one of our top selling 12 month supply multi-packs, so there definitely are people that do it and like it.
I'm just not sure how many of them post here anymore. It seems like AM gets more and more to be a place where people read but don't post nearly as much anymore.