Is there a consensus on best thermogenic/weight loss/cutting supp?
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sns8778
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I'm the same way - my diet is better sometimes than it is at others, but the best we can do is the best we can do. I try to find a balance between dieting the best I can and maintaining my sanity haha. Plus, my daughter has high functioning Autism and loves to bake and for me, her happiness when I try the things she makes on the weekends is worth me not being perfect on my diet personally.
When it comes to fat loss products, the latest and greatest isn't always the best.
For example, for stimulant free, Thermo Scorch and LipoVantage are newer than Lean Edge, but I don't think they're better. They're great, and they make for a great stack with Lean Edge, but Lean Edge is my overall favorite because it targets fat loss from so many different angles.
For example, if you respond great to MitoBurn, you may get better results off Thermo Scorch or LipoVantage than Lean Edge. If you have super high cortisol or are a hyper responder to Reduce XT like some people are, you may get better results from Reduce XT than Lean Edge. BUT, without knowing those things, then Lean Edge targets fat loss from more angles than any other fat loss product that I know of.
When you say best, not sure if you're familiar with Stack3d, the industry news site, but Lean Edge has been the #1 ranked fat burner on Stack3d for over 2 years.
(Lean Edge is actually OOS almost everywhere at the moment, but should be back in stock in about a week).
For stimulant based fat loss products, we just launched the new version of Thermagize XT and we had had some people try it before launch. You can read about the product and their feedback in this thread:
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LeanEngineer
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You can check out this page over at Strong Supplement Shop (https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/diet-fat-burners) for fat burners.
Lean Edge by SNS is hard to beat. Another one to check out is Alpha Lean 7 by Hard Rock Supplements.
Lean Edge by SNS is hard to beat. Another one to check out is Alpha Lean 7 by Hard Rock Supplements.
Jeremy1
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I ran a stack of Inhibit-P, Inhibit-E, and Reduce XT. While not really a fatloss stack per se, it worked amazingly well for me and had me feeling great. Great libido and was able to keep my strength while doing heavy cardio. I lost a solid 30 pounds and hardened up nicely. I am very much looking forward to running that again. I've not yet tried Lean Edge and the other SNS/CEL/MA fat loss products, (I certainly will and am looking forward to it) I did try LipoVantage and it worked very well for me as well while not even doing any cardio. I lost a solid 5 pounds. I imagine if I would have done cardio and whatnot I could have potentially doubled that amount. It really kept cravings at bay and kept me feeling full. I found that for me it worked best taking all 3 pills at once during whatever time of day you struggle with self control.
sns8778
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I'm glad that you like GlucoVantage XT.
Suppress-C is an excellent product.
For 7-OXO, you're using XPG FL7, correct? That's what I was thinking, but I wanted to be sure. I like td 7-OXO much better than oral.
Caliguns45
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Glucovantage-xt has been a huge game changer for me as well. Absolutely amazing product. It's one of my core supplements now.
AknowledgeMe
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In terms of fat loss which is better….Gylcophase or GlucoVantage?
sns8778
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GlucoVantage XT is Dihydroberberine, Cinnamon Bark Extract, and Bioperine and is great for fat loss, helping control blood sugar, and has a lot of healthy aging and longevity properties.
GlycoPhase is a GDA that can be used for helping to lose fat, build muscle, nutrient partitioning, etc.
I take 2 capsules of GlucoVantage XT per day every day for blood sugar control and healthy aging and longevity properties.
When I'm not on low carb, and I rarely am bc I don't feel good on low carbs, I use GlycoPhase with it bc it helps with muscle and fat loss and with nutrient partitioning.
In a hypothetical scenario for fat loss where I was forced to choose one or the other, I would say it depends on the individuals diet.
If low carb, I would probably go with GlucoVantage XT. I
f moderate to high carb, I would go with GlycoPhase.
If going for straight fat loss, I'd probably go with GlucoVantage XT.
If going for building muscle and losing fat, I'd probably go with GlycoPhase.
I think that there is definite benefit to taking them both together. For baseline health purposes, people could use 1 or 2 GlucoVantage XT per day.
Chaimiasy
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Yes I’m using the XPG version FL7 I like it a lot I really like topicals man. My wife is using the XPG carnitine and suppress c. She been working it again and eating clean and it 100% is helping her as well. The FL7 stuff is legit man
Chaimiasy
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So is Glycophase considered a pre workout? When is the best ideal time to take it ?
Chaimiasy
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Yes I have decided I am going to stay on it fairly normally man. I actually just grabbed my wife a bottle. I heard a lot about it bro and never gave it a chance til recently , I was scarfing down carbs a little too much and my Blood sugars went up alot , so my Dr recommended cutting back on carbs. I indeed did so en found out about Glucovantage. Was like fk it let’s give it a go it’s a few weeks now and I’m leaning out nicely keeping strength. This stuff is a very nice supplement. I’d actually say it’s as legit as creatine. Not many supps I take that I can immediately realize they work This sht works manGlucovantage-xt has been a huge game changer for me as well. Absolutely amazing product. It's one of my core supplements now.
sns8778
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I don't really think of it as a pre-workout, but it can be taken pre-workout if you have a high carb meal pre-workout.
When a lot of people think of pre-workouts, they think of pumps and GlycoPhase definitely delivers great pumps and all day muscle fullness. Most people that use it feel like their muscles are much fuller throughout the day whether its a workout day or not, so that's a cool benefit of it.
It really shines when it comes to nutrient partitioning and its what a GDA really should be in the sense that it helps make your carbs work for you and not against you.
Most people do 2 capsules twice per day with their highest carb meals. Some people that do lower or more moderate carbs consistently - like 30 grams 4x per day will do 1 with each meal. I normally do 2 and 2 myself, but have done 1,1, and 2 when I was being super strict with my diet.
Tunaking14
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All the above are good but for me it would be the ingredient- Ursolic Acid. XPG's - Ursa Gel and Apex Alchemy's Ursa Major are both excellent products. Nothing and I mean nothing has transformed my body like Ursolic Acid. It's a little pricey but well worth it as I try to stay away from stimulants the older I get.
Dog4life86
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Some good alpha yo works wonders in a fasted state : both helps with fatloss and energy for hours.
Can be stacked with other stimulants.
Important you find the right dosage that works for you.... it's counterproductive if you skyrocket your BP and need cut your workout /cardio session in half.
I have no side effect compared to normal Yohimbine... Alpha Yo actually lower slightly my blood pressure at the right dose and best sideffect makes my bedroom session more intense.
3 mg of Gorilla Mind Rauwolscine works best for me.
Even as mainstrean as f..... Nutrex Lipo 6 hardcore works wonders for me . ( i just hate they put 300 mg caffeine in a single pill.... but quality of the alpha yo is great ) .
Right now i'm also trying products containing L-Baiba / Mitoburn... though my verdict is still pending.
Not huge fan of GBB ... i already sweat on my own a lot in summer and it cuts my endurance.
Can be stacked with other stimulants.
Important you find the right dosage that works for you.... it's counterproductive if you skyrocket your BP and need cut your workout /cardio session in half.
I have no side effect compared to normal Yohimbine... Alpha Yo actually lower slightly my blood pressure at the right dose and best sideffect makes my bedroom session more intense.
3 mg of Gorilla Mind Rauwolscine works best for me.
Even as mainstrean as f..... Nutrex Lipo 6 hardcore works wonders for me . ( i just hate they put 300 mg caffeine in a single pill.... but quality of the alpha yo is great ) .
Right now i'm also trying products containing L-Baiba / Mitoburn... though my verdict is still pending.
Not huge fan of GBB ... i already sweat on my own a lot in summer and it cuts my endurance.
Danksta710
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Same. GlucovantageXT is amazing. I like 3 caps daily. Berberine is more amazing the more I learn. Besides the benefits bodybuilders want, it boosts the endocrine system, targets SIRT 1 and 3. Mimics the body being on a low calorie diet.
I see it as longevity and bodybuilding. And great for fat loss.
AknowledgeMe
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Just ordered a bottle To try out…30% off sale
Nac
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GBB gives me sweats like nothing else. I feel horrible if I have too much, cold and chilly but sweating like crazy.
sns8778
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I think some brands go crazy with the GBB dose because people can 'feel' it. That's the thought process behind it is they make people sweat a lot, they think its working.
Sadly that's true though bc there are a lot of great fat burners that you don't actually 'feel'.
I like GBB, but think the dosage needs to be limited to around 30 mg. per dose, at least for me.
Nac
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30mg, yip. I have a GBB-only product thats capped at 50mg, Ive got to break them open and halve the contents per dose (hardly ideal but it makes the product at least usable).
Chaimiasy
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Ok cool man. I only asked cause u saw agmatine and it said serving 4 caps. Didn’t know you could take 2 at a time or if that was acceptable. But that’s good news man. I may try this instead if glucovantage I’m curious
sns8778
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You could try it instead of GlucoVantage XT, buts not necessarily an either/or type of thing. You can use the full dose of GlycoPhase per day and still use 2 capsules of GlucoVantage XT if you would like to for its longevity and blood sugar control benefits.
Agmatine is an example of an ingredient that is so good for one thing (in it's case, pumps) that it gets thought of as only being for that, but its really good for so much more.
Agmatine is included in GlycoPhase for its nutrient partitioning and GDA properties and it also has cardiovascular benefits, neuroprotective effects, and is even used in specific cases to help with withdrawals from alcohol and opiates.
Here is just a little bit of information from something I'm writing on it that I haven't posted yet that pertains to its reasoning for being in a GDA like GlycoPhase:
Agmatine Sulfate is one of the few ingredients that has been shown to have the capability to increase GLUT-4 transportation and mRNA expression in skeletal muscle, making it a prime ingredient to help ensure that glucose transport to muscle cells is favored over fat cells.
Agmatine achieves this by acting upon imidazoline receptors, which releases beta-endorphin, a neuropeptide that can dispose of blood glucose into skeletal muscle tissue (independent of whether it is exercised or at rest). Due to this, Agmatine can reduce blood glucose via adrenal-gland dependent means as opposed to pancreatic (insulin) dependent means.
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The SNS products above are great. I use them in regular fat loss rotation and their quality is top notch.
I also really like the new OL products. I just orders two more bottles of AlphaDefy. There’s a fb group of OL that shows some of the feedback and I think some is on the reviews on our site.
https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/alphadefy-by-olympus-labs
can’t go wrong with either
I also really like the new OL products. I just orders two more bottles of AlphaDefy. There’s a fb group of OL that shows some of the feedback and I think some is on the reviews on our site.
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can’t go wrong with either
Dog4life86
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for it depends a lot quality of the ingredient and dosages.
Yesterday i tried Gorilla Mind 3mg Rauwolscine before 2 hours skate session in the summer heat : i felt like passing out and too high heart rate. That stuff hits like a truck and i use it only specific situations. Doing weight it's tolerable and gives a good kick.
I have other products at home with other alpha yo in it and other dosages : no problem at all , actually slightly lower BP
Same story for GBB.
as stated it's useless if you get too high Bp or feel like trash , in the end you will work out less and burn less calories. ( and well certainly it's not healthy ) .
sns8778
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That's why we went with a 1.5 mg. dose for our SNS Alpha Yohimbine capsules.
Alpha Yohimbine is a great ingredient but more is definitely not always better.
LeanEngineer
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Definitely would agree here! Naturally Shredded is a nice product with reviews on here. Diet is king as always.
https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/naturally-shredded-by-vital-alchemy-supplements
Chaimiasy
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Facts 100% diet/ proper nutrition matter, if not wasting ya time.