How To Get Great TRT Results? How Come Some People Look Better Than Younger?

[ucimigrate]

Hi Everyone,

1. My testosterone is in the reference range but low (320-350 when I was in my 20's). Granted, my LSH, etc. is normal. I am in my late 30's now.

2. My military doctor gave me TRT for about six months. Honestly, the effects were negligible.

a. The first day had spectacular results. Normally, I can do one hour of cardio. I did four hours.

I also noticed more spontaneous energy to do pushups, situps, etc.

b. After that, I only noticed small differences, such as getting 8 reps instead of 7 reps.

3. Still, I see so many older men say they have better energy and physiques in their 50's with TRT than in their 20's.

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4. I want those results. Can anyone explain it?

 

[SSJ4GOD]

Well I can tell you confidently that the first day feeling and extra push in the gym was 100% mental. Even guys taking full cycles of test, it doesn’t really kick in for like 3-4 weeks. That’s why many bodybuilders take an oral steroid as a kickstart so they feel it faster and then when they stop the oral, the test feeling is alive and well.
Now, a few things can affect how you feel on trt. Diet obviously but also was it cream or was it injection. What was the dose? Because a lot of people on TRT are not really on official TRT. I say this because primary care doctors typically only prescribe low amounts to put you right in the middle while a lot of TRT clinics prescribe higher doses to treat the symptoms vs treating the low testosterone so these guys end up above reference range.
Knowing your dose and route of administration will help others chime in better

 

[ucimigrate]

My military doctor just gave me one of those packets of Androgel per day.

I agree. The test ranges were in the normal range.

Honestly, I just want great results like the guy above.

 

[sammpedd88]

There’s two things missing from that story and that is his diet and workout plan. You HAVE to workout and eat right to see those results on TRT. Even if you had normal levels of test and did a cycle of gear, you would still need to eat right and put the work in in the gym. If not you’d just get fat as helll.

 

[manifesto]

200 test cyp/week
200 mast e/week

Smooth

 

[Stacks1]

Hi Everyone,

1. My testosterone is in the reference range but low (320-350 when I was in my 20's). Granted, my LSH, etc. is normal. I am in my late 30's now.

What was your test after using the Androgel? I see some guys using the gels and patches where their test barely stays in the 300s, while other guys seem to be at 1000. It's not a bad thing for guys who are trying to get their test in reference range but aren't trying to achieve supraphysiological nunbers. But getting in that range isn't going to create amazing results. It's achieving supraphysiological levels that bring on the gains.

 

[BBiceps]

There’s two things missing from that story and that is his diet and workout plan. You HAVE to workout and eat right to see those results on TRT. Even if you had normal levels of test and did a cycle of gear, you would still need to eat right and put the work in in the gym. If not you’d just get fat as helll.

^This^
Ppl want the quick fix and hope that Test (TRT) is a cheat code but results only come with hard work.

 

[ucimigrate]

1. As for my levels, they barely rose. They were just in the normal reference range.

2. My diet and training stayed about the same: 3-4x of cardio a week, 3-4x of weight training. A diet moderate in carbs but nothing extreme.

3. The only time I saw the huge effect was with Oxandrolone. Even 15 mg a day caused me to want to work out all day, eat all day, and just become an ogre.

 

[Anabolic66]

You're talking "TRT" (like many do today) but then want "Cycle" results.
Even moron BB's say "I'm just doing TRT - 350 mg".

 

[ucimigrate]

I just want to get good results. I don't work hard anymore. But, 20 years ago, dozens of people at different gyms said I was so dedicated to diet and exercise.

I would like to be one of those "success stories" but perhaps my genetics are just too mediocre.

Perhaps I just need a more moderate approach (1 hour hardcore exercise, 3-4x a week, regular TRT) and just settle for average physique.

 

[Jstrong20]

Pretty sure I read the gel is not as good as injectable test. I don't know because I'm not a trt guy. You want better results take more test. What I would do but I'm not saying for you to do is use less then they have me so my test levels kept coming back low so o could get prescribed as much testosterone as possible. So if I really only needed 150 to maintain high normal make it appear I need 250. That way could run that and just lower the dose a few weeks before I get tested. Or save the extra 100 mgs of test a week then In a few months I'd have enough extra to run a nice cycle. Lol once again not saying to do that. It's just what I would do if I was on trt.

 

[Foxx13]

I just want to get good results. I don't work hard anymore. But, 20 years ago, dozens of people at different gyms said I was so dedicated to diet and exercise.

I would like to be one of those "success stories" but perhaps my genetics are just too mediocre.

Perhaps I just need a more moderate approach (1 hour hardcore exercise, 3-4x a week, regular TRT) and just settle for average physique.

you just answered the results question here. You don’t work hard anymore so don’t expect great results. Twenty years ago is irrelevant to what you do today. 3-4x a week is fine but it’s the effort within those sessions that matter. I would even say 3-4 sessions of hard work is better than 6-7 days of training cause your going to burnout. Same goes with nutrition. Consistency + hard work= results. You don’t have mediocre genes you just aren’t willing to put inthe work needed to get the results you seek.

 

[BBiceps]

you just answered the results question here. You don’t work hard anymore so don’t expect great results. Twenty years ago is irrelevant to what you do today. 3-4x a week is fine but it’s the effort within those sessions that matter. I would even say 3-4 sessions of hard work is better than 6-7 days of training cause your going to burnout. Same goes with nutrition. Consistency + hard work= results. You don’t have mediocre genes you just aren’t willing to put inthe work needed to get the results you seek.

^This^
It’s no shortcuts to results, you get what you put in.

 

[ucimigrate]

you just answered the results question here. You don’t work hard anymore so don’t expect great results. Twenty years ago is irrelevant to what you do today. 3-4x a week is fine but it’s the effort within those sessions that matter. I would even say 3-4 sessions of hard work is better than 6-7 days of training cause your going to burnout. Same goes with nutrition. Consistency + hard work= results. You don’t have mediocre genes you just aren’t willing to put inthe work needed to get the results you seek.

In some ways, you are correct.

Honestly, I do not completely agree about genetics:

1. I tire after about one hour of heavy lifting or hard-core weights.

Some of my friends in the military or prison can lift several times per day and not overtrain.

I am not exaggerating. One of my friends who tried to make a SWAT team pumped iron morning and night (2 hours a day). His advice was "there is no such thing as over-training. I just do more physical work, and eat more."

Same thing with some people I know in prison. They do 3+ hours of pushups, burpees, etc. each day.

2. In the past, when I did those body transformation contests, I did everything exactly. But, I did not get the results I wanted.

 

[Foxx13]

In some ways, you are correct.

Honestly, I do not completely agree about genetics:

1. I tire after about one hour of heavy lifting or hard-core weights.

Some of my friends in the military or prison can lift several times per day and not overtrain.

I am not exaggerating. One of my friends who tried to make a SWAT team pumped iron morning and night (2 hours a day). His advice was "there is no such thing as over-training. I just do more physical work, and eat more."

Same thing with some people I know in prison. They do 3+ hours of pushups, burpees, etc. each day.

2. In the past, when I did those body transformation contests, I did everything exactly. But, I did not get the results I wanted.

What is your program and nutrition look like? What is your daily and weekly routine outside of training like kids, work, sleep, etc…

there is no such thing as overtraining just under recovering. It’s all the same ****, you either over train or you under recover.

if you did transformation contests and you didn’t get the results you wanted you need to look deeper into what you did and what needs
To be done. Also are your expectations reality?

I’m 40 years old, natural, 2 kids, work construction, and leave at 530 and return 5pm everyday. I want to be 190-200lbs at 8-10% BF, and train 4-6 days a week, do recovery work, and have everything dialed in. That’s not my reality. I’ve found what works for me 4 days a week for 60-70 minutes and I’ve found what I can accomplish realistically. It’s about balance, I’m not willing to put in the work/time needed to bring me to the next level so I don’t expect those results. I am However going to train hard, food prep, know my macros, track my steps and weight, and run 6-week strength cycles knowing my RMs and what my goals are.

 

[sammpedd88]

In some ways, you are correct.

Honestly, I do not completely agree about genetics:

1. I tire after about one hour of heavy lifting or hard-core weights.

Some of my friends in the military or prison can lift several times per day and not overtrain.

I am not exaggerating. One of my friends who tried to make a SWAT team pumped iron morning and night (2 hours a day). His advice was "there is no such thing as over-training. I just do more physical work, and eat more."

Same thing with some people I know in prison. They do 3+ hours of pushups, burpees, etc. each day.

2. In the past, when I did those body transformation contests, I did everything exactly. But, I did not get the results I wanted.

Can you go more in depth with your diet and your workout plan? I’m leaning to the fact your diet and workout are not in sync. Either you’re eating too much or not enough for what type of workout you’re doing or your workout isn’t intense enough.

 

[BBiceps]

In some ways, you are correct.

Honestly, I do not completely agree about genetics:

1. I tire after about one hour of heavy lifting or hard-core weights.

Some of my friends in the military or prison can lift several times per day and not overtrain.

I am not exaggerating. One of my friends who tried to make a SWAT team pumped iron morning and night (2 hours a day). His advice was "there is no such thing as over-training. I just do more physical work, and eat more."

Same thing with some people I know in prison. They do 3+ hours of pushups, burpees, etc. each day.

2. In the past, when I did those body transformation contests, I did everything exactly. But, I did not get the results I wanted.

1, you should be tired after 1hr of heavy lifting, otherwise you don’t work hard enough.

You answered your own question with “my friends in the military and prison”, they don’t have anything else to do, no bills, no responsibilities so of course they can train multiple times a day.

2, No you didn’t.

Genetics do play a role in your results but hard will dedicate your results regardless.

 

[Dblock]

Guys in prison are a bad example, guys that train hard in prison are yoked because they eat, train hard if motivated and rest a ton…..the amount of potential rest they can get without the stresses of life will contribute to gains

 

[Dustin07]

2. In the past, when I did those body transformation contests, I did everything exactly. But, I did not get the results I wanted.

do you have a log started with training and nutritional data?
getting cut is hard work. really hard work.
and usually about twice as much work and twice as much nutritional discipline as people think.

 

[Foxx13]

1, you should be tired after 1hr of heavy lifting, otherwise you don’t work hard enough.

You answered your own question with “my friends in the military and prison”, they don’t have anything else to do, no bills, no responsibilities so of course they can train multiple times a day.

2, No you didn’t.

Genetics do play a role in your results but hard will dedicate your results regardless.

if you can train hard for an hour and aren’t sore or fatigued the next day, want to keep training, or can multiple days in a row without a problem your not training that hard.
At the end of my 6-week cycles I’m training hard enough that I’m glad when the sessions are over. I know it’s my last week so I’ll push through but I definetly don’t want more. At the begginning of the cycle I could easily tack in more work, time, or days because I’m not working that hard and should t be at the beginning of a cycle.

how do tou progress/overload your workouts over time?

 

[BBiceps]

if you can train hard for an hour and aren’t sore or fatigued the next day, want to keep training, or can multiple days in a row without a problem your not training that hard.
At the end of my 6-week cycles I’m training hard enough that I’m glad when the sessions are over. I know it’s my last week so I’ll push through but I definetly don’t want more. At the begginning of the cycle I could easily tack in more work, time, or days because I’m not working that hard and should t be at the beginning of a cycle.

how do tou progress/overload your workouts over time?

Are you telling me something or are you asking me a question?

 

[Leary942]

Pretty sure I read the gel is not as good as injectable test.

It's not, at least when most people think about "getting results" when they use testosterone. I've only ever used topical products, speaking from personal experience, your physical results will just be better with pinning if that's what you're after. No one (as far as I know) has ever achieved "Greek God" physiques with gel or cream. What topical will do is allow you to experience the neurological benefits of androgens, with maybe modest improvements in physical shape provided you're combining it with good diet. It may be easier to restart your HPTA with topicals as well. YMMV, but I've never had an issue bouncing back from topical T. But in so far as people thinking T will magically transform their bodies, whether it be pinning or gel, people are just generally overestimating how important lifting actually is. You gotta put in to get results...

 

[Smont]

Trt = natty results

 

[Smont]

Here's another thing I don't understand how nobody understands.

The way you get great results naturally, And the way you get great results on Trt, And the way you get great results on a cycle.

Are all exactly the same

 

[Jstrong20]

It's not, at least when most people think about "getting results" when they use testosterone. I've only ever used topical products, speaking from personal experience, your physical results will just be better with pinning if that's what you're after. No one (as far as I know) has ever achieved "Greek God" physiques with gel or cream. What topical will do is allow you to experience the neurological benefits of androgens, with maybe modest improvements in physical shape provided you're combining it with good diet. It may be easier to restart your HPTA with topicals as well. YMMV, but I've never had an issue bouncing back from topical T. But in so far as people thinking T will magically transform their bodies, whether it be pinning or gel, people are just generally overestimating how important lifting actually is. You gotta put in to get results...

topicals are good just not for test I guess. Lol topical trestolone works great. Ha

 

[Leary942]

Topicals are fine provided you're not trying to push the limits of your anabolism. For a variety of reasons, it would just be impracticable to try that. The main one being topicals are typically always just a standard test base with no ester. So you would have to be applying large dosages of that **** twice a day, maybe more. Much simpler to pin test cyp and be done with it.

 

[delsolrob]

TRT is great for many - but, it's not magic.

TRT isn't just testosterone though, there are quite a few things to manage...Estrogen, DHEA, Pregnenolone, progesterone, etc. If anything is off, you're not going to get the results, energy and focus you want. Run straight test for too long and you're DHEA/Pregnenolone is likely going to be low and you're energy and mental clarity/focus will fade. Most guys on TRT are going in for bloodwork quarterly and their doctors are monitoring all these things. We supply our topical DHEA and Pregnelone to a number of TRT clinics - they love it!

many guys on TRT run dermacrine to optimize some of their results (it contains DHEA and Pregnenlone, as well as Resveratrol and 7,8 benzoflavone).

 

[ucimigrate]

Thanks for the info.

1. Will the doctor always do things intelligently?

2. Any other ways to make sure everything is done well?

 

[Smont]

Thanks for the info.

1. Will the doctor always do things intelligently?

2. Any other ways to make sure everything is done well?

1. No, they may not always do things intelligently, many primary care Physicians Don't know much about the topic. A lot of clinics are basically Legal drug dealers trying to oversell you all kinds of stuff that you don't need. Finging a good trt dr. Is a process. This is a big reason people need to be educated, so you can figure out if your trt doc Is treating YOU, or treating numbers on a piece of paper.

2. Yes, get educated best you can. Find a good doc that is knowldgable and will work with you.
If you Hired a carpenter to build something at your house. You wouldn't just let him build whatever he wanted, you could and hope its what you wanted but You would probably want him to build what you were paying him for. I think people should aproach Finding a good doctor with the same mentality. I'm paying you for your services So I want you to provide me with the services I want. I'm not saying you're going to tell your doctor what to do. But if you have a good doctor and you're knowledgeable on the topic yourself then they probably will work with you.

If you decided to self Administer, Do a lot of blood work in the first year and take a lot of notes.

 

[delsolrob]

I would never let my primary care doctor manage something like this - they just don't have the expertise. It's like going to them for weight loss or anything else, they will offer really generic information...they're just not experts in that arena.

 

[Smont]

I would never let my primary care doctor manage something like this - they just don't have the expertise. It's like going to them for weight loss or anything else, they will offer really generic information...they're just not experts in that arena.

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[sammpedd88]

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Yeah when it comes to TRT you’ve really got to be your own advocate. Took me three different doctors and one year to find a dr well versed in hormone replacement. You’ve got to do your research just like was said above.

 

[Admin]

I would never let my primary care doctor manage something like this - they just don't have the expertise. It's like going to them for weight loss or anything else, they will offer really generic information...they're just not experts in that arena.

@delsolrob pls check pm's

 

[IPOM]

Yeah when it comes to TRT you’ve really got to be your own advocate. Took me three different doctors and one year to find a dr well versed in hormone replacement. You’ve got to do your research just like was said above.

I must be lucky. I went to a clinic that specializes in it and low and behold the doc knew what he was talking about.

 

[delsolrob]

I must be lucky. I went to a clinic that specializes in it and low and behold the doc knew what he was talking about.

from what I've seen, clinics are much better suited to help, as they are generally specialists. General Practitioners just aren't savvy enough (usually).

 

[BBiceps]

from what I've seen, clinics are much better suited to help, as they are generally specialists. General Practitioners just aren't savvy enough (usually).

Also, clinics are more into making money so they benefit more to give (sell) the patient what he wants.

 

[Smont]

Also, clinics are more into making money so they benefit more to give (sell) the patient what he wants.

This, clinics are NOT the best at getting doses and stuff correct. But they are the best at selling you extra gear. (Not a knock on clinics) A clinic is going tp be the best bet for many. Id rather be overperscribed then under. Then common sense can let you make your own adjustments.

Its not uncommon for a clinic tp perscribe 200-400mg a week regardless of test levels. As a "professional" thats very unprofessional. But i still want that extra 200mg

 

[IPOM]

This, clinics are NOT the best at getting doses and stuff correct. But they are the best at selling you extra gear. (Not a knock on clinics) A clinic is going tp be the best bet for many. Id rather be overperscribed then under. Then common sense can let you make your own adjustments.

Its not uncommon for a clinic tp perscribe 200-400mg a week regardless of test levels. As a "professional" thats very unprofessional. But i still want that extra 200mg

My doc must be good. I asked him about AIs and HCG and he was against it. Said he only prescribes that stuff if it’s needed. Didn’t offer any extra stuff even though they sell it.

 

[Smont]

My doc must be good. I asked him about AIs and HCG and he was against it. Said he only prescribes that stuff if it’s needed. Didn’t offer any extra stuff even though they sell it.

Sounds like hes on top of his ****

 

[delsolrob]

Someone liked one of my posts in this thread and it made me revisit.

Something happened to one of my buddies recently with his GP - his doctor put him on TRT and he gets injections once a month... He's been on it for 3 months and can't figure out why he's not feeling any better...

Another vote for not letting GP's manage this kind of care.

 

[sammpedd88]

Someone liked one of my posts in this thread and it made me revisit.

Something happened to one of my buddies recently with his GP - his doctor put him on TRT and he gets injections once a month... He's been on it for 3 months and can't figure out why he's not feeling any better...

Another vote for not letting GP's manage this kind of care.

Once a month???? Damn that’s insane. I bet he feels worse than he did before this idiot Dr started him on a really f-ed up protocol. I hope he’s going to find another Dr.

 

[thescience]

i dont have any first hand experience on the topic, but ive formed conclusions from things ive heard over the years. I recommend Ucimigrate monitor his testosteron and estrogen levels, with the goal of at least trying to maintain a 900-1200 test range while insuring estrogen /shbg are in the normal range. if he's fat, ive heard the injection can transform into estrogen in real time if you inject it into the fat. if the 900 range doesnt cut it, maybe ensure getting to the 1200. if that level doesnt do jack, then he knows he gave it a proper go.

does trt only produce natty results? it's another eye-opening comment from smont, but ive seen plenty of guys on here report lackluster results (though there is usually a ton of missing data from their complaints.) Ive also heard of guys who need to donate blood because they start overproducing it once they get to a 900 testosterone level. if youre the guy with that disposition, then youre in for a spike in endurance.

 

[BBiceps]

does trt only produce natty results? it's another eye-opening comment from smont, but ive seen plenty of guys on here report lackluster results (though there is usually a ton of missing data from their complaints.) Ive also heard of guys who need to donate blood because they start overproducing it once they get to a 900 testosterone level. if youre the guy with that disposition, then youre in for a spike in endurance.

Ppl have unrealistic expectations of TRT. TRT is not a cycle and only supposed to keep your Test in the upper range of normal.

So if you didn’t have BB results in your late teens/early 20’s, chances are that you won’t get it in your 40’s either on TRT.

 

[Dustin07]

Ppl have unrealistic expectations of TRT. TRT is not a cycle and only supposed to keep your Test in the upper range of normal.

So if you didn’t have BB results in your late teens/early 20’s, chances are that you won’t get it in your 40’s either on TRT.

wouldn't an untrained individual in his 40s who needs and goes on TRT then get results similar to as if he was in his 20s? Not super human, but probably results? and a guy in his 40s, assuming T is dropping, wouldn't he likely be able to maintain better than other individuals in their 40s or 50s who are fighting lean mass decline with age?

I understand its not a cycle, but looking at boys my sons age (15) I can definitely see the things I would have done differently back then both in training and nutrition to maximize natural capabilities.

 

[BBiceps]

wouldn't an untrained individual in his 40s who needs and goes on TRT then get results similar to as if he was in his 20s? Not super human, but probably results? and a guy in his 40s, assuming T is dropping, wouldn't he likely be able to maintain better than other individuals in their 40s or 50s who are fighting lean mass decline with age?

I understand its not a cycle, but looking at boys my sons age (15) I can definitely see the things I would have done differently back then both in training and nutrition to maximize natural capabilities.

Possibly, the problem is that most 40 yr old is not as active as they were in their 20’s, plus most 20 yr olds is not completely untrained either, most played some sort of sport or was running around in some way.

But, most untrained 40 yr olds are not very active and they are putting in mediocre effort and that’s why they get mediocre results.

It’s no shortcuts, with or without steroids it’s your effort that will determine what results you get.

 

[Dustin07]

Possibly, the problem is that most 40 yr old is not as active as they were in their 20’s, plus most 20 yr olds is not completely untrained either, most played some sort of sport or was running around in some way.

But, most untrained 40 yr olds are not very active and they are putting in mediocre effort and that’s why they get mediocre results.

It’s no shortcuts, with or without steroids it’s your effort that will determine what results you get.

I'm not 100% sure what point I was trying to make with my first response, but I think what I was getting at was that a 40+ in a sedentary life I would assume, would see more from TRT, than an athlete at 40+ who has been his whole life.

For example (from Grok):

Studies show obese men can have 20-30% lower testosterone than lean counterparts by midlife.

Fit individuals—those who lift weights, do cardio, or maintain an active lifestyle—tend to fare better. Resistance training and high-intensity exercise boost testosterone acutely and, over time, help preserve levels by improving insulin sensitivity, reducing inflammation, and keeping body fat in check. Research, like studies from the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, shows active men in their 40s can maintain testosterone levels closer to their younger years compared to sedentary peers. For example, master athletes (think 40+ competitive lifters or runners) often have total testosterone 10-15% higher than age-matched inactive men. But even they aren’t immune to the age-related drop—it’s just slower or less pronounced.

When I started epiandro, androsterone, dhea, and last fall anavar, (all since age 40ish) I noticed my 25+ year of sports as a natty was like a sponge for any added boost I could give it, including calorie surplusses. its been a lot of fun. I think I was just speculating that a 45yr old male with low T who has never been athletic might have a sorta new lease on life if he were to rebuild himself with the help of some TRT. But yes I'm not saying its a fountain of youth that's going to turn a 5'8" 300lb obese man into Zach Efron.

but admittedly, what do I know, I have never used TRT or experienced it. I do know IRL a number of men in their 60s who feel and act like they're 16.

 

[Smont]

wouldn't an untrained individual in his 40s who needs and goes on TRT then get results similar to as if he was in his 20s? Not super human, but probably results? and a guy in his 40s, assuming T is dropping, wouldn't he likely be able to maintain better than other individuals in their 40s or 50s who are fighting lean mass decline with age?

I understand its not a cycle, but looking at boys my sons age (15) I can definitely see the things I would have done differently back then both in training and nutrition to maximize natural capabilities.

Your joints and ligaments and tendons, and other hormones besides testosterone will not improve back to that of a teen or 20 year old. So well no you won't get results like they would, You will still get results far greater results than if you were not on TRT and had low testosterone. I will say if you were in great shape and jacked in your 20's then trt should do more for you than someone else who's never gotten in shape. But that's more a "muscle memory type thing" anyone who's ever gotten in shape knows it's easier to get back in shape than it is to get there the very first time.

But I have never met a single person in my life who jumped on real TRT and looks like there on steroids. But I can maintain a relatively decent amount if not all cycle gains on 250-300mg. Then again, pretty much all of my cycles except for maybe one or two were sub 1g. Most were 300 test and 300mast or EQ for the first few years.

Throw HGH in with your TRT and that should help significantly.

And you Dustin, you been in great shape most of your life if I'm not mistaken. I believe a little 300-400mg cycle would do more for you the 90% of the people here, because you're already doing all the other stuff right

 

[Smont]

Ppl have unrealistic expectations of TRT. TRT is not a cycle and only supposed to keep your Test in the upper range of normal.

So if you didn’t have BB results in your late teens/early 20’s, chances are that you won’t get it in your 40’s either on TRT.

Ya, the large majority of people I speak with think trt will transform them in weeks. They think trt and a steroid cycle are basically the same thing, then when I tell them that not even a full-blown steroid cycle will transform them in weeks they look at me like I have 10 heads and I'm lying to them so I can keep the secret.

I had wild results as a teen and when I went on a 300mg cycle (34 or 35 at the time) followed up with my 150 trt I looked similar to my old self in about 6 months. But Even with what I consider fairly good genetics it took A lot more time and effort than I originally thought it would to get where I am now and even where I'm at now is nothing special. Maybe for gen pop it is, but a bodybuilder wouldn't look twice at my physique. They probably say I got good shoulders and that's about it

 

[Dustin07]

Your joints and ligaments and tendons, and other hormones besides testosterone will not improve back to that of a teen or 20 year old. So well no you won't get results like they would, You will still get results far greater results than if you were not on TRT and had low testosterone. I will say if you were in great shape and jacked in your 20's then trt should do more for you than someone else who's never gotten in shape. But that's more a "muscle memory type thing" anyone who's ever gotten in shape knows it's easier to get back in shape than it is to get there the very first time.

ahh that makes sense

And you Dustin, you been in great shape most of your life if I'm not mistaken. I believe a little 300-400mg cycle would do more for you the 90% of the people here, because you're already doing all the other stuff right

aside from a brief period about age 20, I mostly stayed in the same shape I was in high school wrestling. I wrestled at 148, but felt tiny at 168, spent a decade around 180 or less about 10% BF, then the past 3-5 years have had multiple bulk/cut cycles and my body has been like a sponge to supplements, PEDs, and calories tbh. I think this cut will get me down where I want my abs and leave me 10lbs heavier than in the past at the same leanness, maybe even heavier. I'll be 43 this Oct and I don't think my PRs are anywhere near done.

I did graduate at 186, I was bulking for football that year, but opted for running start college instead. Peaked at 242. cut that down to the low of 168 before maintaining right around that 178-183 area for years. weighed in at 189 yesterday. down from 203 early feb.

 

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I just realized that my peak 'bulk' (fat) and my lowest cut weight was a 74lb difference in my 20s lol. No matter I work so fuckin' hard to keep myself from getting too bulked. jfc.