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SkRaw85 Training Log

12/7

Lat pull downs:
140x12
155x10
170x8

Plate raise to overhead:
10x3 sets

Kroc rows:
65x15,12,15

Seated rear delt fly:
15’sX15
20’sX10
25’sX10

KB bottoms up hammer curl:
20x10x3 sets
 
Nice session, looks like a fun one.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Anyone using or has used injectable glutathione? Considering throwing it in to the mix. On paper it looks astounding.
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I am pretty sure @Hyde has used this.
 
12/11

Mini band:
PA’s x 20
Facepulls x 20
Press downs x 50
Snatch x 10

Smith Z press:
95x10
135x10,8
155x5
175x3

One leg KB pass:
20lb x 10 passes per leg

Single leg DB deads:
+60x10 per leg
+70x10 per leg
+80x10 per leg

DB hex press:
100x15
130x15,10,15

Cable rope triceps press downs:
85x10x2 sets

Stir the pot:
2 mins total
 
SkRaw85 said:
Anyone using or has used injectable glutathione? Considering throwing it in to the mix. On paper it looks astounding.
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It’s a powerful support supplement and I always noticed a difference in the several days that followed a big 3cc shot (something you can do during or to hold off a deload, or if you feel like you are coming down with something).

It always feels cold & bad going in, FYI. Not a fun thing to pin. But it works.

Are you going to be ramping things up with training and gear?
 
SkRaw85 said:
12/11

Mini band:
PA’s x 20
Facepulls x 20
Press downs x 50
Snatch x 10

Smith Z press:
95x10
135x10,8
155x5
175x3

One leg KB pass:
20lb x 10 passes per leg

Single leg DB deads:
+60x10 per leg
+70x10 per leg
+80x10 per leg

DB hex press:
100x15
130x15,10,15

Cable rope triceps press downs:
85x10x2 sets

Stir the pot:
2 mins total
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Nice weight moving on the Z press and hex press!
 
Hyde said:
It’s a powerful support supplement and I always noticed a difference in the several days that followed a big 3cc shot (something you can do during or to hold off a deload, or if you feel like you are coming down with something).

It always feels cold & bad going in, FYI. Not a fun thing to pin. But it works.

Are you going to be ramping things up with training and gear?
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Good to know. Yeah can’t imagine refrigerated liquid feeling good going in, but the benefits are quite appealing to me.

What did your dosing protocol look like with it?

Sitting at 120 vitamin T currently, nectar on training days (want to switch to straight carnitine as I feel alphaGPC is equivalent and I can get more mgs per mL with carnitine only).
Going to ride this for a few until my body and training is again worthy of a little more juice lol.

Bench will be my only main focus, isolated leg lifts and belt squats to maintain some leg meat and snowboarding for the burn.

Won’t touch 19nors in the winter as it kills my cardio and I do enjoy some snowboarding and backcountry during these months. So T and an oral pulsed will probably be my first approach as bench heats up. Definitely going to run my favorite trestfecta again next year, because yes, there is nothing I have found better.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Won’t touch 19nors in the winter as it kills my cardio and I do enjoy some snowboarding and backcountry during these months. So T and an oral pulsed will probably be my first approach as bench heats up. Definitely going to run my favorite trestfecta again next year, because yes, there is nothing I have found better.
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i still don't really understand the difference in some of these OTC compounds like 19nors/4-dhea, and the DHEA in dermacrine or Steves XPG DHEA. What do you get from 19nors that is beneficial but kills your cardio?
 
Dustin07 said:
i still don't really understand the difference in some of these OTC compounds like 19nors/4-dhea, and the DHEA in dermacrine or Steves XPG DHEA. What do you get from 19nors that is beneficial but kills your cardio?
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When I refer to 19nors it is strictly trest, tren, and NPP (cant do deca, it’s weird I know).
Benefits are substantial strength gains, insane recovery and weight gain (if diet dictates).

Blood pressure gets elevated and even with cardarine cardio takes a hit (predominantly from tren but trest is also a culprit).
 
I have heard of people taking 1-200mg of glutathione daily for very powerful support or even attempting to heal liver & kidneys, but this should be a pretty temporary measure. I don’t think most people need that kind of antioxidant administered daily indefinitely.

Alex Kikel liked to use it occasionally as a wellness blast the way I advised, like 600-1,000mg depending on size of athlete & needs. During a deload, beginning of sickness symptoms, that kind of reactive supplementation.

Jake Benson has said if he has athletes feeling kind of run down, taking 200mg or so in the morning on an off-day can be helpful. So again, not daily, here and there 2-3 days per week.

Both of them advise co-administering with carnitine, and I always did. I’d load up a 3cc cold glute shot and then put half a cc of carnitine somewhere with a slinpin.

Dustin07 said:
ahhh OK that makes more sense
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19-Nor refers to a family of AAS based in on a modification to the chemical structure of testosterone. There are 19-Nor compounds, Testosterone derivatives, and DHT derivatives as the primary families we group commonly used AAS under. The different families tend to have some shared traits between compounds in them, but it’s important to realize every steroid is its own chemical compound that produces different effects overall - and the effects even change with their administration method. Injecting Superdrol (a DHT derivative) does not produce the same amount of water-weight as traditional oral consumption. And unlike actual pure DHT, which is extremely androgenic, Superdrol is not remotely. It’s safer than Anavar per mg for a woman to consume, as far as virilization impact.
 
12/12

Mini band:
Hammer curls x 100
Williams ext x 30

KB bottoms up press:
30x10x2 sets per side

EZ arm blaster:
80x10
90x10
100x10
110x8
120x7

KB side bends:
30x20x2 sets per side

DUR:
30x10x2 sets
 
Hyde said:
19-Nor refers to a family of AAS based in on a modification to the chemical structure of testosterone. There are 19-Nor compounds, Testosterone derivatives, and DHT derivatives as the primary families we group commonly used AAS under. The different families tend to have some shared traits between compounds in them, but it’s important to realize every steroid is its own chemical compound that produces different effects overall - and the effects even change with their administration method. Injecting Superdrol (a DHT derivative) does not produce the same amount of water-weight as traditional oral consumption. And unlike actual pure DHT, which is extremely androgenic, Superdrol is not remotely. It’s safer than Anavar per mg for a woman to consume, as far as virilization impact.
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that helps a lot. I've really only seen reference of the 19nors from the vintage muscle guys, and many many times. so I pulled it up to see what it was and the description on their product didn't really clarify it much for me. I've never tried any of their products but I do watch the group on FB and just read their experiences/reviews. Generally speaking while their customers seem excited and happy, the end results appear underwhelming to me. But a lot of these guys are completely untrained newbies that are morbidly obese or scary malnourished so they aren't starting off with strong foundations to begin with.
 
Hyde said:
I have heard of people taking 1-200mg of glutathione daily for very powerful support or even attempting to heal liver & kidneys, but this should be a pretty temporary measure. I don’t think most people need that kind of antioxidant administered daily indefinitely.

Alex Kikel liked to use it occasionally as a wellness blast the way I advised, like 600-1,000mg depending on size of athlete & needs. During a deload, beginning of sickness symptoms, that kind of reactive supplementation.

Jake Benson has said if he has athletes feeling kind of run down, taking 200mg or so in the morning on an off-day can be helpful. So again, not daily, here and there 2-3 days per week.

Both of them advise co-administering with carnitine, and I always did. I’d load up a 3cc cold glute shot and then put half a cc of carnitine somewhere with a slinpin.



19-Nor refers to a family of AAS based in on a modification to the chemical structure of testosterone. There are 19-Nor compounds, Testosterone derivatives, and DHT derivatives as the primary families we group commonly used AAS under. The different families tend to have some shared traits between compounds in them, but it’s important to realize every steroid is its own chemical compound that produces different effects overall - and the effects even change with their administration method. Injecting Superdrol (a DHT derivative) does not produce the same amount of water-weight as traditional oral consumption. And unlike actual pure DHT, which is extremely androgenic, Superdrol is not remotely. It’s safer than Anavar per mg for a woman to consume, as far as virilization impact.
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Awesome info! Yeah I wanted to incorporate it a little during this light T period. I took a cold turkey break from everything for a bit ‍🌫️
 
Dustin07 said:
that helps a lot. I've really only seen reference of the 19nors from the vintage muscle guys, and many many times. so I pulled it up to see what it was and the description on their product didn't really clarify it much for me. I've never tried any of their products but I do watch the group on FB and just read their experiences/reviews. Generally speaking while their customers seem excited and happy, the end results appear underwhelming to me. But a lot of these guys are completely untrained newbies that are morbidly obese or scary malnourished so they aren't starting off with strong foundations to begin with.
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Generally speaking, I wouldn’t be looking to spend a lot of time or money on oral/transdermal prohormone/steroid cycles. They’re not remotely as effective as 300mg of testosterone, cost radically more, and can leave you both feeling bad during and stress your health more.

Take it from someone who spent 8 years doing it the wrong way. Beyond taking some Epiandro & DHEA here and there like you do, using exogenous hormones should basically be either a yes/no lifestyle/health decision because it’s otherwise going to risk damaging your natural production over time. The juice needs to be worth the squeeze. Taking 19-Nor derivatives of any fashion is not a kind thing for someone looking to preserve their HPTA function.
 
Hyde said:
Generally speaking, I wouldn’t be looking to spend a lot of time or money on oral/transdermal prohormone/steroid cycles. They’re not remotely as effective as 300mg of testosterone, cost radically more, and can leave you both feeling bad during and stress your health more.

Take it from someone who spent 8 years doing it the wrong way. Beyond taking some Epiandro & DHEA here and there like you do, using exogenous hormones should basically be either a yes/no lifestyle/health decision because it’s otherwise going to risk damaging your natural production over time. The juice needs to be worth the squeeze. Taking 19-Nor derivatives of any fashion is not a kind thing for someone looking to preserve their HPTA function.
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I love it when I am going to write up the same response and then get to your post and it is already done. :)
 
Hyde said:
Generally speaking, I wouldn’t be looking to spend a lot of time or money on oral/transdermal prohormone/steroid cycles. They’re not remotely as effective as 300mg of testosterone, cost radically more, and can leave you both feeling bad during and stress your health more.

Take it from someone who spent 8 years doing it the wrong way. Beyond taking some Epiandro & DHEA here and there like you do, using exogenous hormones should basically be either a yes/no lifestyle/health decision because it’s otherwise going to risk damaging your natural production over time. The juice needs to be worth the squeeze. Taking 19-Nor derivatives of any fashion is not a kind thing for someone looking to preserve their HPTA function.
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MrKleen73 said:
I love it when I am going to write up the same response and then get to your post and it is already done. :)
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lately I've been even considering the mild stuff I've played with and tbh I'm not sure it's accomplishing much more than the more natty stuff like AE, AXT, PAXT etc from Steve. IIRC you also warned me to not go any deeper unless I was ready for a lifetime commitment lol. I'm getting to a point where I'm not really noticing the difference of when I'm on the TD's vs when I'm off, and most of my PRs are just coming from consistency while on the natty products anyways...

accept androsterone. definitely loved the "high on life" feelings with that stuff briefly.
 
Dustin07 said:
lately I've been even considering the mild stuff I've played with and tbh I'm not sure it's accomplishing much more than the more natty stuff like AE, AXT, PAXT etc from Steve. IIRC you also warned me to not go any deeper unless I was ready for a lifetime commitment lol. I'm getting to a point where I'm not really noticing the difference of when I'm on the TD's vs when I'm off, and most of my PRs are just coming from consistency while on the natty products anyways...

accept androsterone. definitely loved the "high on life" feelings with that stuff briefly.
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Exactly. Even with actual steroids, yes your first cycle can be explosive but after that the progress does slow. I mean they are helping a ton, but because you have to come off/lower doses then come back up periodically, you may have big yo-yo gains but the final net is not nearly as dramatic as you might hope when they become a standard piece of the equation.

I have gained 20lbs of weight & put 30lbs I bet on my max bench in 3 weeks, after benching for 15 years. Sounds pretty awesome right? Except I still can’t even bench what I did 10 weeks ago, at this same weight I was just 10 weeks ago. I haven’t netted ANYTHING yet, injecting a gram/wk of various AAS. Doesn’t sound nearly as riveting when viewed objectively from the bigger picture across macrocycles.

You can toss a little androsterone into those natty stacks and should be just fine, HPTA wise. Just don’t get greedy & remember the observations you shared - the training consistency is always the primary driver of LONGTERM overall net progress, so don’t overdo the hormonals. You kicking ass on a bench day because you felt great from the androsterone is how it really helped, not because it granted you super strength.
 
12/17

Monster mini band:
Hip walks x 50
Seated hammy curls x 40

Single leg KB pass:
20x10x2 sets per leg

DB BSS:
+50x10 per leg
+60x10 per leg
+70x10 per leg

Single leg DB deads:
+80x10 per leg
+70x10 per leg

Cable low row:
125x10
140x10
155x10
170x10x2 sets
 
SkRaw85 said:
12/17

Monster mini band:
Hip walks x 50
Seated hammy curls x 40

Single leg KB pass:
20x10x2 sets per leg

DB BSS:
+50x10 per leg
+60x10 per leg
+70x10 per leg

Single leg DB deads:
+80x10 per leg
+70x10 per leg

Cable low row:
125x10
140x10
155x10
170x10x2 sets
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Moving and grooving!
 
12/18

Mini band:
PA’s x 20
Facepulls x 15
Press downs x 80
Snatch x 10
Hammer curls x 80

DB flat press:
65’sX20,20,10,10,10

DB incline fly:
25’sX10x3 sets

Stir the pot:
2 mins total
 
12/20

DB lateral raise:
20’sX10x3 sets

Wide grip lat pull-down:
155x10
170x10
185x8
170x6

Smith shrugs:
135x15
225x15
275x15

Plate raise to overhead:
10x3 sets

DB alternating hammer curls:
50’sX20x3 sets

Ab wheel rollout:
10x3 sets
 
On my way to casa Bonita with the family. I haven’t been there in about thirty years! Threw my name on the waitlist when Matt and Trey bought it and one year later, voila! Feeling nostalgic and stoked to bring the kiddo. I’ll snag some pics for sure.
 
SkRaw85 said:
I’ll snag some pics for sure.
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great! you guys always post **** like that when I'm doing a 30hr fast!

SkRaw85 said:
On my way to casa Bonita with the family. I haven’t been there in about thirty years! Threw my name on the waitlist when Matt and Trey bought it and one year later, voila! Feeling nostalgic and stoked to bring the kiddo.
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I heard it's the greatest restaurant in the world...

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Dustin07 said:
great! you guys always post **** like that when I'm doing a 30hr fast!



I heard it's the greatest restaurant in the world...

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I ate the food (and my wife’s food) too fast for pic so urine luck!

Dude, greatest restaurant in the world lol. The boy said it was the best cheeseburger he’s ever had. If a Mexican joint can pull that off, well, that settles it!

I also hit the new In-n-Out on the way home
 
gphagan1 said:
Looks like an awesome place…..my wife and I love Mexican food, and your son saying that was the best cheeseburger he has ever ate is classic, love it.
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It was a great family outing! We spent almost 4 hours in the place as there is so much to see and do. 10/10!
 
Sounds like a great time, and some awesome food!
 
12/21

Mini band hip walks x 60

Machine single leg hammy curl:
105x15 per leg
115x12
125x10

Machine single leg quad extension:
65x20 per leg
75x15
85x12
95x10
105x10

Smith calf raise:
135x20
225x25
265x20
275x20
 
Some impressive single leg work there!
 
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