Test E / Superdrol Cycle Issues

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Mild cycles, testosterone 300-500mg, masteron 200-400mg, no orals, no 19nors and daily 5mg cailis. Kinda random numbers but my point is keep it simple and don't use much and it's your safer bet in the bedroom. If you really trying to keep up with multiple females I'd read up on this stuff with low daily dose approach or bolus dose pre research experiments


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thanks! I have PT-141 on hand. It’s been sporadic too. I’ve dose it 2mg in 1 shot and have taken cialis and viagra with it too. Again, hit or miss. How do you recommend dosing it daily? I read you shouldn’t take it more than 8 times a month.

I will say - since I dropped the aromasin and have been doing HCG 500iu EOD, I see improvements. Again, nothing consistent. It’s just a pain in the ass.

I have pharma Arimidex and UGL Aromasin on hand. When I start the AI again, should I try Adex instead and maybe start with 2 times a week 0.5mg? Take it the day after I pin test?

thank you!

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

You will probably recover normal functions when you PCT. I would plan for things to be a bit rocky for 2-3 months post, but with patience it works itself back out fine for most.

Generally speaking, you make changes with hormones and you can often expect changes in libido. That’s about the only thing you can count on.

thank you! I appreciate your help. I’ll try to stick with it and see if I can perfect this. I appreciate all your time and expertise. It’s unfortunate that libido can’t remain super high always

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Just to update: I will begin 2x125mg - 250mg per week Test E moving forward instead of 500mg and began Anavar for 50mg. I’m continuing HCG EOD @ 500iu. I have an appointment to take more bloods and visit a new doctor on Thursday to discuss.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Drew out bloods again today. Takes 5-7 business days. Next doctor appointment is on 08/15. I just want my dick back already to 100% - sheesh lol. Keep you guys posted.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Hey everyone - I wanted your advice. I analyzed my blood work from 6/27 again (it’s attached on the first post I made) and my SHBG is 6L. Aside from the elevated estrogen, could this attribute to ED? Does it mean If so, what are recommendations to increase it?

 

[Hyde]

Hey everyone - I wanted your advice. I analyzed my blood work from 6/27 again (it’s attached on the first post I made) and my SHBG is 6L. Aside from the elevated estrogen, could this attribute to ED? Does it mean If so, what are recommendations to increase it?

It is normal when running blast doses of testosterone for SHBG levels to become and remain low. DHT derivatives, like Superdrol, do this even worse. Most SARMs are quite effective at producing low SHBG levels too, it seems.

It’s not a problem - not on blast anyway. It is the norm in this scenario.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

It is normal when running blast doses of testosterone for SHBG levels to become and remain low. DHT derivatives, like Superdrol, do this even worse. Most SARMs are quite effective at producing low SHBG levels too, it seems.

It’s not a problem - not on blast anyway. It is the norm in this scenario.

Thank you for sharing your expertise as always Hyde. I’ll keep battling this through and keep you guys posted along the journey. Let’s see what the new bloods say and what the doctor recommends.

When they drew blood from me today, they also said my vein was very hard.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

My next appointment is on 8/22. I’ll share the bloods once I get them.

I do notice an improvement on sexual function since I’ve been taking aromasin at 6.25 eod, HCG 500iu per week, and 250mg Test E per week with Var @ 75mg.

It may be too early to tell but I think I’m starting to feel better and erection strength while not perfect, it’s been good for the last 3 days. I hope it remains and continues to improve.

let’s see how it goes

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Hi everyone - I visited the urologist and finally got the blood work results from 8/03. The urologist/TRT specialist is unable to help me because I don’t want to get off the gear and then follow a TRT protocol with him.

I still have libido / erection issues. It’s very sporadic. There are days where I had to beat it or have sex 4 times a day and then poof the drive and erection goes away for time. It’s very inconsistent and causing issue. Please take a loook at my most recent labs and let me know what I should try next.

I did drop Test E to 250mg per week from 500mg per week and ideally would like to cruise on this dose until I blast again.

is E2 my problem here? It’s at 49. Should I increase my AI dose? Or take it more often? I’d love the experts to Chime in and recommend what I should take next.

 

[Hyde]

E2 of 49 at 2200 total test is no issue at all. I think you are expecting too much. It is not “normal” to have sex/masturbate 4x a day. I understand it may be normal for you & am not disparaging you in any way; what I mean is that you fall outside what is average. As an outlier…you don’t really fit the mold.

I would come down to 200/wk and see how things go after a while, if you aren’t going to PCT. My libido and erections are generally more consistent when I’m cruising. On blast things are always changing for better or worse.

You need to get your LDL down some if possible. Increase fiber intake, lower saturated fat intake, increase hard cardio, and/or losing weight can all help bring it down. Spirulina tabs can also be a useful supplement.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

E2 of 49 at 2200 total test is no issue at all. I think you are expecting too much. It is not “normal” to have sex/masturbate 4x a day. I understand it may be normal for you & am not disparaging you in any way; what I mean is that you fall outside what is average. As an outlier…you don’t really fit the mold.

I would come down to 200/wk and see how things go after a while, if you aren’t going to PCT. My libido and erections are generally more consistent when I’m cruising. On blast things are always changing for better or worse.

You need to get your LDL down some if possible. Increase fiber intake, lower saturated fat intake, increase hard cardio, and/or losing weight can all help bring it down. Spirulina tabs can also be a useful supplement.

Thank you Hyde. That was an outlier. I think I was just lucky that day. Most times - he’s not functioning well or the erection is weak / not full strength if he does decide to function. It’s like a matter of luck at this point.

these results were week 1 when I decided to drop it down to 250mg so body didn’t adapt yet. I’ll try 200mg per week now moving forward.

how much AI should I use at 200mg per week based on these lab results?

thanks. I’ll work on bringing the LDL down.

 

[Alan1]

Agreed with @Hyde regarding the E2.

May not be the most popular opinion but I'd seriously consider dropping the AI completely and see how it goes. So many people overestimate the dose of AI that they need for a certain amount of Test, a lot of which is based in "traditional" info or bro science passed down over the years.

And for many years I was the same, thinking I always had to run at least some amount of AI in order to keep E2 in check. My TRT doctor convinced me to drop the AI and lo and behold, I feel better and have better body composition than I did when always keeping AI in my protocol. Not that these numbers matter to anyone but me (as we all react/aromatize, etc differently), I can say that at 270mg/week with .25mg Adex twice per week, my e2 was generally in the high 30's - low 40's. I've now been at 280mg/week for quite some time with e2 in the 70's, and feel/look great. Absolutely none of the typical sides of high e2 and joints feel a bit better in general. My doc has mentioned that he has most of his clients NOT on AI's at this point unless they insist, and most that have ceased the usage report feeling better, even a few guys that have e2 readings in the low 100 range.

All that said, in the end you may need a bit of AI to feel your best, but I'd really recommend forgetting all about the numbers for a bit and seeing how you do by taking it out and letting e2 go up a bit. Can't hurt to try and you may be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Agreed with @Hyde regarding the E2.

May not be the most popular opinion but I'd seriously consider dropping the AI completely and see how it goes. So many people overestimate the dose of AI that they need for a certain amount of Test, a lot of which is based in "traditional" info or bro science passed down over the years.

And for many years I was the same, thinking I always had to run at least some amount of AI in order to keep E2 in check. My TRT doctor convinced me to drop the AI amd lo and behold, I feel better and have better body composition than I did when always keeping AI in my protocol. Not that these numbers matter to anyone but me (as we all react/aromatize, etc differently), I can say that at 270mg/week with .25mg Adex twice per week, my e2 was generally in the high 30's - low 40's. I've now been at 280mg/week for quite some time with e2 in the 70's, and feel/look great. Absolutely none of the typical sides of high e2 and joints feel a bit better in general. My doc has mentioned that he has most of his clients NOT on AI's at this point unless they insist, and most that have ceased the usage report feeling better, even a few guys that have e2 readings in the low 100 range.

All that said, in the end you may need a bit of AI to feel your best, but I'd really recommend forgetting all about the numbers for a bit and seeing how you do by taking it out and letting e2 go up a bit. Can't hurt to try and you may be pleasantly surprised.

thank you! I haven’t tried that since I dropped the test from 500 to 250. Will this still be okay if I drop the AI and pin HCG 250iu twice a week (day after Test shot)? The HCG brought back my balls and intense orgasms.

TBH - I would love to continue a blast and cruise protocol. However, having an unreliable dick is wreaking havoc in my life and I just want my erections back.

 

[Hyde]

Agreed with @Hyde regarding the E2.

May not be the most popular opinion but I'd seriously consider dropping the AI completely and see how it goes. So many people overestimate the dose of AI that they need for a certain amount of Test, a lot of which is based in "traditional" info or bro science passed down over the years.

And for many years I was the same, thinking I always had to run at least some amount of AI in order to keep E2 in check. My TRT doctor convinced me to drop the AI and lo and behold, I feel better and have better body composition than I did when always keeping AI in my protocol. Not that these numbers matter to anyone but me (as we all react/aromatize, etc differently), I can say that at 270mg/week with .25mg Adex twice per week, my e2 was generally in the high 30's - low 40's. I've now been at 280mg/week for quite some time with e2 in the 70's, and feel/look great. Absolutely none of the typical sides of high e2 and joints feel a bit better in general. My doc has mentioned that he has most of his clients NOT on AI's at this point unless they insist, and most that have ceased the usage report feeling better, even a few guys that have e2 readings in the low 100 range.

All that said, in the end you may need a bit of AI to feel your best, but I'd really recommend forgetting all about the numbers for a bit and seeing how you do by taking it out and letting e2 go up a bit. Can't hurt to try and you may be pleasantly surprised.

I would agree with all of this - generally the highest I can have estrogen without aggravating my gyno, the best I feel.

OP, we can’t tell you the exact dose without trial and error and bloodwork, but I would lower or drop the AI since you are lowering the test to levels commonly tolerated without an AI. Plenty of guys do need an AI even at 200/wk, myself included, but I can guarantee you will need significantly less than 500/wk.

HCG does raise estrogen some, which may or may not be an issue. I would go down to just the 200 test with no AI or HCG and see how it goes, if you need some AI or not, and if not then you can try to add a little HCG if you want. That’s just what I would do. I would also split my weekly test into 2-4 tiny shots with an insulin syringe for less fluctuation in hormone levels.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

I would agree with all of this - generally the highest I can have estrogen without aggravating my gyno, the best I feel.

OP, we can’t tell you the exact dose without trial and error and bloodwork, but I would lower or drop the AI since you are lowering the test to levels commonly tolerated without an AI. Plenty of guys do need an AI even at 200/wk, myself included, but I can guarantee you will need significantly less than 500/wk.

HCG does raise estrogen some, which may or may not be an issue. I would go down to just the 200 test with no AI or HCG and see how it goes, if you need some AI or not, and if not then you can try to add a little HCG if you want. That’s just what I would do. I would also split my weekly test into 2-4 tiny shots with an insulin syringe for less fluctuation in hormone levels.

Thank you! I’ll begin doing this with insulin syringes as my new vials of test arrive in mail. Currently, I have them prefilled to 250mg / .5ML per syringe. I’ll inject .4ML moving forward though.

How do you recommend using the insulin syringes? 50mg to the muscle with insulin syringe M, W, F, Su morning? The needle is tiny - would I have issues drawing out the oil?

I’ll follow through and stop HCG and AI for now as well to see how it goes

 

[Hyde]

Thank you! I’ll begin doing this with insulin syringes as my new vials of test arrive in mail. Currently, I have them prefilled to 250mg / .5ML per syringe. I’ll inject .4ML moving forward though.

How do you recommend using the insulin syringes? 50mg to the muscle with insulin syringe M, W, F, Su morning? The needle is tiny - would I have issues drawing out the oil?

I’ll follow through and stop HCG and AI for now as well to see how it goes

I like a 27 or 28g 1/2” insulin syringe. I would not recommend 29+ because it will take forever to draw up & pin. Or much shorter length. You don’t really want to use the size you would actually use for insulin.

You can do it IM or subq, it won’t make a big difference. When cruising I often mix and match IM in my delts & quads and subq in my butt/hip fat. Or shallow IM pressed squarely into my VG. And 0.5cc/ml of test or less generally goes alright subcutaneously.

I think something like injection schedule will be just fine. It also tends to work out with my training split, but that’s getting really specific about things that probably don’t matter one but in the end. You just don’t want the week totally lopsided, doing all of your test at once basically and a trough the other half of the week.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

I like a 27 or 28g 1/2” insulin syringe. I would not recommend 29+ because it will take forever to draw up & pin. Or much shorter length. You don’t really want to use the size you would actually use for insulin.

You can do it IM or subq, it won’t make a big difference. When cruising I often mix and match IM in my delts & quads and subq in my butt/hip fat. Or shallow IM pressed squarely into my VG. And 0.5cc/ml of test or less generally goes alright subcutaneously.

I think something like injection schedule will be just fine. It also tends to work out with my training split, but that’s getting really specific about things that probably don’t matter one but in the end. You just don’t want the week totally lopsided, doing all of your test at once basically and a trough the other half of the week.

perfect. Thank you for all the details. I’ll do this once I get the new vial. I hope this is the solution to my problems. Thank you for all your input!

 

[Hyde]

perfect. Thank you for all the details. I’ll do this once I get the new vial. I hope this is the solution to my problems. Thank you for all your input!

Some other brovice I’d like you to consider: try not to think about libido & performance quality as black and white. Performance anxiety is a very real factor, so instead of thinking of being off/on, which can create a negative mental spiral, try to accept the idea of a margin of variability. And sometimes it just takes a while to get warmed up/relaxed even.

I train for strength, and sometimes it’s just not there. Not every day will have maximum power - that’s okay. If I accept that I can just take what’s there that day & try to enjoy it for what it is, I can turn what might be a disappointing training session where I just give up into a satisfying, productive experience. Don’t get in your head & put defined limits on yourself.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Some other brovice I’d like you to consider: try not to think about libido & performance quality as black and white. Performance anxiety is a very real factor, so instead of thinking of being off/on, which can create a negative mental spiral, try to accept the idea of a margin of variability. And sometimes it just takes a while to get warmed up/relaxed even.

I train for strength, and sometimes it’s just not there. Not every day will have maximum power - that’s okay. If I accept that I can just take what’s there that day & try to enjoy it for what it is, I can turn what might be a disappointing training session where I just give up into a satisfying, productive experience. Don’t get in your head & put defined limits on yourself.

I appreciate it. I’ll do my best and continue with that mindset. I agree with it. It’s a challenge because i never really ran into these problems ever. It just began during my cycle.

One thing I’ve noticed is that if I’m with ex girlfriend, I seem to perform well. Yesterday, I was with a girl I’m seeing and had issues despite taking cialis and viagra. Gotta love it lol. She knows and understands. Poor lady - she’s a cutie and has been a waiting for 3 months for the proper D.

I also made an appointment with a different urologist for next Wednesday to discuss as well.

 

[Hyde]

I appreciate it. I’ll do my best and continue with that mindset. I agree with it. It’s a challenge because i never really ran into these problems ever. It just began during my cycle.

One thing I’ve noticed is that if I’m with ex girlfriend, I seem to perform well. Yesterday, I was with a girl I’m seeing and had issues despite taking cialis and viagra. Gotta love it lol. She knows and understands. Poor lady - she’s a cutie and has been a waiting for 3 months for the proper D.

I also made an appointment with a different urologist for next Wednesday to discuss as well.

You’re probably a lot more comfortable with the ex - you don’t have anything to prove to her, you have history with her, she knows what you’re capable of, AND she’s an ex you don’t need to keep around.

This really lends itself to the idea it’s just your comfort or arousal. Which is good, because it means your physical function is solid.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

You’re probably a lot more comfortable with the ex - you don’t have anything to prove to her, you have history with her, she knows what you’re capable of, AND she’s an ex you don’t need to keep around.

This really lends itself to the idea it’s just your comfort or arousal. Which is good, because it means your physical function is solid.

Thank you bro! Yes, it’s a very weird / complex situation. I really don’t understand it at all. There is definitely performance hinderance because I feel the difference but yeah with ex it seems to be solid. Hopefully I can get to the bottom of this. I don’t want to stop AAS, but will do it if I can’t. It’s been a nightmare to say the least lol.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Update: I found an online TRT doctor that is knowledgeable and willing to partner with me on this. He’s prescribed pharmacy grade Test C, Arimidex, Clomid, Viagra and Cialis

He wants me to take Test 200mg a week - 2 pins a week. Continue HCG at 250iux2, Clomid at 50mg Per day and Arimidex at 1mg

The doctor believed my labs looked fine and it’s a strange issue I’m experiencing. He thinks that since I didn’t manage Estrogen and my levels were super high at first (see original post with bloods) I burned out my receptors.

He doesn’t think there is any permanent damage but says it can take up to 3 months to feel fully relieved.

what are your thoughts?

 

[Hyde]

Update: I found an online TRT doctor that is knowledgeable and willing to partner with me on this. He’s prescribed pharmacy grade Test C, Arimidex, Clomid, Viagra and Cialis

He wants me to take Test 200mg a week - 2 pins a week. Continue HCG at 250iux2, Clomid at 50mg Per day and Arimidex at 1mg

The doctor believed my labs looked fine and it’s a strange issue I’m experiencing. He thinks that since I didn’t manage Estrogen and my levels were super high at first (see original post with bloods) I burned out my receptors.

He doesn’t think there is any permanent damage but says it can take up to 3 months to feel fully relieved.

what are your thoughts?

What is the Clomid doing here exactly that the testosterone and HCG aren’t doing better, besides creating potential for emotional & libido problems?

Clomid can increase size of your loads but it’s awful for sexual gratification. Makes me emotional and lowers libido as well.

 

[Hyde]

Update: I found an online TRT doctor that is knowledgeable and willing to partner with me on this. He’s prescribed pharmacy grade Test C, Arimidex, Clomid, Viagra and Cialis

He wants me to take Test 200mg a week - 2 pins a week. Continue HCG at 250iux2, Clomid at 50mg Per day and Arimidex at 1mg

The doctor believed my labs looked fine and it’s a strange issue I’m experiencing. He thinks that since I didn’t manage Estrogen and my levels were super high at first (see original post with bloods) I burned out my receptors.

He doesn’t think there is any permanent damage but says it can take up to 3 months to feel fully relieved.

what are your thoughts?

What is the Clomid doing here exactly that the testosterone and HCG aren’t doing better, besides creating potential for emotional & libido problems?

Clomid can increase size of your loads but it’s awful for sexual gratification. Makes me emotional and lowers libido as well.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

What is the Clomid doing here exactly that the testosterone and HCG aren’t doing better, besides creating potential for emotional & libido problems?

Clomid can increase size of your loads but it’s awful for sexual gratification. Makes me emotional and lowers libido as well.

I am not certain. Those are good points. I did explain concerns with Clomid as well as I’ve done it in the past during PCT and it turned me into an emotional mess. I’ll ask these clarifying questions and get back to you.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Just an update on sexual performance since: I've been taking 20mg Cialis daily for the past 3 days and I've been having sex with my ex girlfriend like twice per day. My usual self with Cialis would be more than that with that much cialis but yeah it's going well . I hope it's not placebo. I was pretty rock hard last night too. I woke up with morning wood as well today.

(Things to note since we last chat. I've been taking Clomid UGL @ 50mg (today Day 3 until I get my scripts for pharma grade) and it would be Day 7 today of starting Anavar back up since I took a break off of it for a week due to antibiotics.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Update: I had sex again with my ex just now and it was a success. I did take a 20mg cialis earlier at 7pm EST. I’ll continue to take it daily while I continue this protocol. I definitely see an improvement. I am feeling much better knowing I can deliver. Wish me luck boys.

after Labor Day, Im going to take a break from sex and see how it goes. If it keeps going strong, I’ll try dropping to 10mg cialis daily and keep monitoring until I don’t need it.

the true test will be when it’s with a different woman that I’ve had troubles with.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Morning wood again today
I am curious to hear what you guys think.
And what could have possibly been the issue. Cialis seems to be responding, but it really never was before nor was Viagra.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Update: I hooked up with my other lady today and there was improvements, but still had challenges. I’m seeing continual progress.

also, today was the first shot of pharma grade Test C and stopped UGl Aromasin and taking 1mg pharma arimidex per week per doctors recommendations.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

No issues since and Cialis is actually effective now. I am seeing improvements daily. I was able to have sex with a different woman other than ex. I’ll be out on this weekend with one of my friends and I’ll see how it continues to go. Very positive to see. Morning wood has been super solid too.

Not sure when I’ll drop the cialis but will speak to the doctor whenever that time comes to see what he thinks. What are your thoughts?

 

[Hyde]

I think if you can plow the ex fine your function is great. Most people who use tadalafil daily don’t need 20mg - I would drop to 10mg per day for a while, then 5mg for a spell.

 

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[Xapt3r2ooX]

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Lmaoooo
Broo we laughed at this one.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Thanks Hyde! I will be definitely dropping it little by little. I’m back!!!! Every day it’s gotten better and better. I was able to knock out my lady multiple times a night every night on our weekend trip. I’m feeling like my real self and I feel more dialed in. I will continue to post in the the thread for updates.

I did need to put in more work to cum. And the sensitivity isn’t as much as before. I think maybe less Cialis will help but wondering your thoughts. When the loads happen, they really happen. Thanks HCG/Clomid haha

 

[Hyde]

Thanks Hyde! I will be definitely dropping it little by little. I’m back!!!! Every day it’s gotten better and better. I was able to knock out my lady multiple times a night every night on our weekend trip. I’m feeling like my real self and I feel more dialed in. I will continue to post in the the thread for updates.

I did need to put in more work to cum. And the sensitivity isn’t as much as before. I think maybe less Cialis will help but wondering your thoughts. When the loads happen, they really happen. Thanks HCG/Clomid haha

I have heard other guys say and also believe personally that when using tadalafil, I actually lose a little sensitivity. I mean it is very easy to get & stay erect, but seems like being that rock hard can slightly decrease the amount of stimulation too.

But you’re also having more frequent sex so prolactin would be higher, meaning you are more content. Things feel the best when you are hungriest for the sex, just like appetite for food. Deprivation drives sensitivity as well.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Thank you! The sensitivity has become better. I feel like im fully back! Today, 4 times and I orgasmed each one. It’s been such a terrible 3 months and finally I’m good. I feel even better than when I was natty.

could this suggest this is the ideal TRT program I should follow? It feels like I’m dialed in.

 

[Xapt3r2ooX]

Just an update. I’m definitely fully back in business. Sex has been amazing! Zero issues. Dropping Cialis to 10mg every other day for now. I feel better than ever.

I will probably stop posting this for now unless you’d want me to regarding this. If it comes back again, I’ll definitely make it aware.