Epiandro run is done - what's next?

[J-Test]

Completed an 8 week run of topical Stanogen from Apex Alchemy and EpiAndro300 from Muscle Addiction.

That was some good stuff. Libido up, strength up, focus up. About 3mL was the most I could handle with topical period, regardless of how much EpiAndro300 I was taking (3x max in a day). Anymore than that and I felt jittery, like too much caffeine.

According to what I've read, Epiandro is to be used for 6-8 weeks, which ended yesterday.

How long do I have to stay off of any Androgenic enhancers? Also, if I don't have to stay off anything anabolic, what can I try next? I'm on TRT, by the way, 180 x1/wk. Test was 1099 last time we checked, up from 681 at 140 x1 wk. Not sure if EpiAndro had anything to do with that.

Not looking for anything like tren, dbol, or anything like that. More of the mild to mid PHs like an epi.

Thanks y'all, good ****.

 

[J-Test]

Goals are keep gaining strength, losing fat, and keeping libido up. I wake up in the morning and when I'm dried out I enjoy the look. Once I start eating and drinking water, the lean dry look goes away.

 

[Dustin07]

tagging @sns8778 since that's one of his products and I am currently stacking epiandrolean (almost same product) with phosphatidic acid XT. I also just started running their Alpha Gel which you might really like since coming off epiandro.

anyways, I too am getting ready to finish up my second bottle of epiandrolean. I'll be at more like 10+ weeks when I do call it, and my plan is to be running anabolic effect, with anabolic xt, possibly more phosphatidic, orchic extract and likely another run on alpha gel.

It sounds like you are in the same boat as me, with the same goals and the same relative threshold for what products you are and are not willing to play with.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Typical rule of time off is Cycle time + pct time = time off cycle
ex : 8 weeks cycle + 4 weeks cycle = 12 weeks off.

epi andro i have seen pple just take 4 weeks off when on TRT and jump back on it.

i would say 8+ weeks off before jumping on anything else even mild as epi andro ..you being on test could be less . i am just saying for me how much i would wait.

As for your test levels on epi andro .. i have had similiar results maybe not that much of a gain but i think mine jumped 170-200 while on stano plex.

i would stay with epi andro ( topical + epi andro caps from MA or cel )
combined with phosphatic acid + anabolic XT or anabolic effect would make a nice stack

you can do 1andro but i really dont like it when i can obtain similiar results with natural builders combined with epi andro

 

[Dustin07]

Typical rule of time off is Cycle time + pct time = time off cycle
ex : 8 weeks cycle + 4 weeks cycle = 12 weeks off.

epi andro i have seen pple just take 4 weeks off when on TRT and jump back on it.

i would say 8+ weeks off before jumping on anything else even mild as epi andro ..you being on test could be less . i am just saying for me how much i would wait.

I've heard of people maintaining small dose of the epiandro perpetually, but I am thinking I will likely take summer off when I finish this run in early July, personally. maybe ramp back up around Sept or Oct. try to taper into some 1rm attempts around late august or sept "natural" then bring in the big guns to make another chase at some lifetime PRs by end of year.

 

[BillD]

Completed an 8 week run of topical Stanogen from Apex Alchemy and EpiAndro300 from Muscle Addiction.

That was some good stuff. Libido up, strength up, focus up. About 3mL was the most I could handle with topical period, regardless of how much EpiAndro300 I was taking (3x max in a day). Anymore than that and I felt jittery, like too much caffeine.

According to what I've read, Epiandro is to be used for 6-8 weeks, which ended yesterday.

How long do I have to stay off of any Androgenic enhancers? Also, if I don't have to stay off anything anabolic, what can I try next? I'm on TRT, by the way, 180 x1/wk. Test was 1099 last time we checked, up from 681 at 140 x1 wk. Not sure if EpiAndro had anything to do with that.

Not looking for anything like tren, dbol, or anything like that. More of the mild to mid PHs like an epi.

Thanks y'all, good ****.

Is topical that much better?

 

[sns8778]

Is topical that much better?

From a bioavailability standpoint - its preference with Epiandrosterone.

The reason that a lot of people are confused on this is because it used to be said many years ago that topical was preferred with Epiandrosterone, but that was because the dosage on capsule products back then was 50 mg. to 100 mg. per capsule. We changed that with CEL Stano-Plex when we introduced it at 300 mg. per capsule and then Muscle Addiction EpiAndro300 and EpiAndro Lean are 300 mg. per capsule as well.

We have those 3 capsule options and then there is XPG Epiandro Gel for people that prefer topicals - and I always tell anyone that its really just a matter of preference.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I've heard of people maintaining small does of the epiandro perpetually, but I am thinking I will likely take summer off when I finish this run in early July, personally. maybe ramp back up around Sept or Oct. try to taper into some 1rm attempts around late august or sept "natural" then bring in the big guns to make another chase at some lifetime PRs by end of year.

yeah i can see .. i have said it before my blood levels actually show up better while on a cycle of epi andro caps.

so yeah i can see people running low doses of it .. but im OG and against it .. run a cycle and be done with it .. start it again after a 4 weeks break if imo ..always better to be safe .

yeah your plan is usually what i do a year .. 2-3x a year of stano plex i try to squeeze in a year .. gains/vascularity is awesome but yeah increase in test feelings is even better

 

[Dustin07]

From a bioavailability standpoint - its preference with Epiandrosterone.

The reason that a lot of people are confused on this is because it used to be said many years ago that topical was preferred with Epiandrosterone, but that was because the dosage on capsule products back then was 50 mg. to 100 mg. per capsule. We changed that with CEL Stano-Plex when we introduced it at 300 mg. per capsule and then Muscle Addiction EpiAndro300 and EpiAndro Lean are 300 mg. per capsule as well.

We have those 3 capsule options and then there is XPG Epiandro Gel for people that prefer topicals - and I always tell anyone that its really just a matter of preference.

as you know I have run both a topical, and now your caps and I feel like the caps results has been great. maybe for the sake of comparison I'll run your XPG gel in the fall

 

[sns8778]

tagging @sns8778 since that's one of his products and I am currently stacking epiandrolean (almost same product) with phosphatidic acid XT. I also just started running their Alpha Gel which you might really like since coming off epiandro.

anyways, I too am getting ready to finish up my second bottle of epiandrolean. I'll be at more like 10+ weeks when I do call it, and my plan is to be running anabolic effect, with anabolic xt, possibly more phosphatidic, orchic extract and likely another run on alpha gel.

It sounds like you are in the same boat as me, with the same goals and the same relative threshold for what products you are and are not willing to play with.

Thank you.

I think that your stack and what you're talking about adding is spot on perfect really.

Anabolic Effect, Anabolic XT, Phosphatidic Acid XT is pretty much my dream stack, and I think Alpha Gel is an excellent addition to that. That's going to be my stack myself that I'm going to be starting in a couple weeks and I'm looking very forward to it.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Is topical that much better?

i prefer caps now a days .. or stack the 2 if you are one of those that like 900-1200 dosages.

 

[sns8778]

yeah i can see .. i have said it before my blood levels actually show up better while on a cycle of epi andro caps.

so yeah i can see people running low doses of it .. but im OG and against it .. run a cycle and be done with it .. start it again after a 4 weeks break if imo ..always better to be safe .

yeah your plan is usually what i do a year .. 2-3x a year of stano plex i try to squeeze in a year .. gains/vascularity is awesome but yeah increase in test feelings is even better

It's actually very common for people to use low dose epiandrosterone long term now with TRT.

These people aren't using it for 'cycle' purposes and some of them do increase their dosages higher if they plan on doing an actual cycle of it.

The reason that many use a low dose long term with TRT is because DHT itself and DHT increasing compounds have become more popular and prevalent in TRT, but some of the prescription ones cause some unwanted side effects, so people use low dose epiandrosterone as an alternative.

I think it really just depends on the person and desired results - I had just wanted to explain why some people do it.

 

[sns8778]

as you know I have run both a topical, and now your caps and I feel like the caps results has been great. maybe for the sake of comparison I'll run your XPG gel in the fall

You could definitely try the XPG Epiandro Gel for comparison, or you could do Epiandro Gel in the morning and a capsule later in the day; that's what some people like to do.

i prefer caps now a days .. or stack the 2 if you are one of those that like 900-1200 dosages.

I agree - I prefer the capsules myself just for simplicity.

I can see stacking them and doing Epiandro Gel in the morning and capsule dosing later in the day though; but for me personally, I will probably just stick to capsules.

 

[Dustin07]

You could definitely try the XPG Epiandro Gel for comparison, or you could do Epiandro Gel in the morning and a capsule later in the day; that's what some people like to do.

that would be a really nice way to mix it up since right now when I wake up in the morning I pop 6 caps of various products before I even brush my teeth, shower, then apply the gel. actually today, was 8 caps as I work back in to AXT lol

 

[BillD]

You could definitely try the XPG Epiandro Gel for comparison, or you could do Epiandro Gel in the morning and a capsule later in the day; that's what some people like to do.



I agree - I prefer the capsules myself just for simplicity.

I can see stacking them and doing Epiandro Gel in the morning and capsule dosing later in the day though; but for me personally, I will probably just stick to capsules.

What dosage are people running the gel at? 300 like the caps?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

It's actually very common for people to use low dose epiandrosterone long term now with TRT.

These people aren't using it for 'cycle' purposes and some of them do increase their dosages higher if they plan on doing an actual cycle of it.

The reason that many use a low dose long term with TRT is because DHT itself and DHT increasing compounds have become more popular and prevalent in TRT, but some of the prescription ones cause some unwanted side effects, so people use low dose epiandrosterone as an alternative.

I think it really just depends on the person and desired results - I had just wanted to explain why some people do it.

Ohh yeah i can see that .. i just can't have my t levels too high or i dont get blue pill for free lol

my next test reults is in august ..so will see where the numbers are maybe experiment

I agree - I prefer the capsules myself just for simplicity.

I can see stacking them and doing Epiandro Gel in the morning and capsule dosing later in the day though; but for me personally, I will probably just stick to capsules.

Yeah my cousin did epiandro gel + stano plex .. i love vaso6 too much lol

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

What dosage are people running the gel at? 300 like the caps?

each bottle gives you 100 pumps = 7.5Grams .. solo i think you can do 3-5pumps

3 pumps = 225mg

feedback i have gotten is 2 pumps + 2 caps of stano-plex was great way to go

 

[BCseacow83]

It's actually very common for people to use low dose epiandrosterone long term now with TRT.

These people aren't using it for 'cycle' purposes and some of them do increase their dosages higher if they plan on doing an actual cycle of it.

The reason that many use a low dose long term with TRT is because DHT itself and DHT increasing compounds have become more popular and prevalent in TRT, but some of the prescription ones cause some unwanted side effects, so people use low dose epiandrosterone as an alternative.

I think it really just depends on the person and desired results - I had just wanted to explain why some people do it.

It does support a healthier libido as well, something that despite TRT some of us still are not quite at the level we desire to be. It also helps "counter" SOME mild estrogen sides/effects. I don't think it will outright replace a scripted AI or SERM if one has blood work showing a legit need but it certainly adds to the androgen side of the equation/balance.

 

[BillD]

each bottle gives you 100 pumps = 7.5Grams .. solo i think you can do 3-5pumps

3 pumps = 225mg

feedback i have gotten is 2 pumps + 2 caps of stano-plex was great way to go

Would Epi andro be good to run with Rad-140?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Would Epi andro be good to run with Rad-140?

i have seen it run with rad & lgd to combat the sides.

i like to run it 2-3 weeks ahead and then bridge in any hormonal or sarms compound

 

[Dustin07]

What dosage are people running the gel at? 300 like the caps?

um pretty sure I'm actually running 600mg (2 caps at 300mg each)
I have run 3 caps (900mg) a couple times but we're talking like 3 or 4 total days that I've done that in the last 6 or so weeks. a bottle has 60 caps in it and I'm getting my full months worth nearly.

 

[BillD]

i have seen it run with rad & lgd to combat the sides.

i like to run it 2-3 weeks ahead and then bridge in any hormonal or sarms compound

So would it kinda work as a test base?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

So would it kinda work as a test base?

yup i dont like to use the word "test" but yeah baseoutline of epiandro works pretty well

 

[sns8778]

So would it kinda work as a test base?

Epiandro could be viewed as that in a way, but its more DHT related.

If you're looking for a test type base, then you could look at M-Test, Optimize-T, or Alpha Gel.

Alpha Gel is getting great feedback and will help increase test levels and lower estrogen.

 

[sns8778]

What dosage are people running the gel at? 300 like the caps?

The normal dosing for XPG Epiandro Gel is 3 to 4 ml per day - so 225 mg. to 300 mg. per day.

The normal dosing for Stano-Plex, EpiAndro300, or EpiAndro Lean would be 600 to 900 mg. per day (2 to 3 caps).

If stacking Epiandro Gel with one of the capsule products, I would do 150 mg. (2 ml) Epiandro Gel in the morning and then 1 to 2 capsules of one of the others later in the day spaced out.

 

[MrKleen73]

You could definitely try the XPG Epiandro Gel for comparison, or you could do Epiandro Gel in the morning and a capsule later in the day; that's what some people like to do.



I agree - I prefer the capsules myself just for simplicity.

I can see stacking them and doing Epiandro Gel in the morning and capsule dosing later in the day though; but for me personally, I will probably just stick to capsules.

Yeah, it seems that it all kind of comes out in the wash so to speak, TD have more bioavailability, but now that the doses are 300 orally and the price difference is nominal for the active amount of epi-andro that gets through becomes about even for either. So the pills become an ease of use thing since not really a lot of difference in what you pay for the same effective dose.

What dosage are people running the gel at? 300 like the caps?

I think most people run about 600mg a day on an oral run, and about 225-300 with a TD and see about the same results. me, I like about 900 oral when running Epi-Andro by itself, well with my TRT dose that is.

 

[MrKleen73]

Oops, didn't see Steve's response before hitting Post Reply.

 

[sns8778]

Oops, didn't see Steve's response before hitting Post Reply.

No worries at all. I appreciate you replying as well; and looks like we definitely agree on it haha.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Epiandro could be viewed as that in a way, but its more DHT related.

If you're looking for a test type base, then you could look at M-Test, Optimize-T, or Alpha Gel.

Alpha Gel is getting great feedback and will help increase test levels and lower estrogen.

yeah hearing good things about alpha gel .. and on cycle looks like will help alot too

 

[uncle-rico]

About 3mL was the most I could handle with topical period, regardless of how much EpiAndro300 I was taking (3x max in a day)

Isn't that a bit too much? 3ml topical and 3 caps, isn't that somewhere around 1800 mg total?

I'm 3 weeks in that same combo too at the moment. I'm using 2ml (10 pumps) Stanogen in the morning and 1 cap Stano-plex later in the day. I also run Anabolic-XT and Arimahex on top of that. I like it a lot so far and have the same effects you described.
I plan to run that for another 3 weeks. After that I'm unsure what to run next. There's just too many options I have Optimize-T, Alpha Gel, Hyperion, Bulbine, Fadogia and probably something else I forgot Also I'm unsure whether to take a break from everything for some weeks or switch immediately to something else.

 

[MrKleen73]

Isn't that a bit too much? 3ml topical and 3 caps, isn't that somewhere around 1800 mg total?

I'm 3 weeks in that same combo too at the moment. I'm using 2ml (10 pumps) Stanogen in the morning and 1 cap Stano-plex later in the day. I also run Anabolic-XT and Arimahex on top of that. I like it a lot so far and have the same effects you described.
I plan to run that for another 3 weeks. After that I'm unsure what to run next. There's just too many options I have Optimize-T, Alpha Gel, Hyperion, Bulbine, Fadogia and probably something else I forgot Also I'm unsure whether to take a break from everything for some weeks or switch immediately to something else.

Once you finish the Epi-Andro I would throw in the natural products in a stack to keep things moving and help get your T levels back in order. Maybe an 8 week run. You have a good arsenal of natty products there that would compliment one another and be used consecutively since many are similar type of product. . Not sure there is much use for Arimhex in your current cycle unless you are on TRT or something because the EPI-Andro already has anti-estrogen properties, and nothing else you are using would increase your estrogen levels. However it might be more beneficial in increasing testosterone after the epi-andro. Just something to think about.