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Kidney health?

Hyde said:
The number of pages it took for a couple people to finally suggest a cystatin c test; geez that was painful to read through.

How about asking for a referral to a nephrologist who is competent in analyzing your results and administering relevant testing???

Creatinine WILL increase with added lbm, and it will be noticeable far lower than open bodybuilder levels of muscle. Testing within a couple days of hard training this value will be even higher from the acute muscle damage. And the levels being high most of the time from normal hard training are not problematic - these levels are just used as early diagnostic for gen pop who never experience this kind of routine trauma or have the extra muscle mass. Someone training twice a day for 20 years is not gen pop.
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I just think it’s crazy how you and some other guys are downplaying this to almost being normal. In no circumstances is it normal or healthy long term to have an egfr of 55 for years on and on AT A YOUNG AGE EVEN MORE SO. Idc if he’s 6 foot 2 230 lbs or whatever else reasons.

most BBers , from national to pro levels that I know have way better egfr and kidney values than he has and carry a much bigger muscle mass so that point isn’t valid to me, not at 6 foot 2 230. I really don’t see the point of downplaying this to " general population doesn’t train hard and these don’t necessarily apply to us".
Jesus a guy like Fouad abiad stopped competing early because his egfr reached 51 after 20 years of competing and he felt that was too dangerous and spent a couple years to fix it.


I don’t know if this is just psychological because I know your egfr is in a similar spot @Hyde and obviously you’re going to defend that point but there’s nothing that’s going to make this "normal or healthy"
Even if he was 350 lbs of muscle and training 72 times a week the point would remain he has to try and get those numbers back up a little and his kidneys are most likely not working very optimally.

more tests and a better doctor should help see more clearly.
 
@BBiceps im sorry I really am not trying to come at you at all I just think this is a serious subject and these type of things are always downplayed on forums / general discussions and I’m just surprised when "gurus" have such things to say.

Ill leave it at that I’ve probably said enough and I’m probably annoying people I just strongly encourage you to take actions and see someone who can help you get these numbers better.
 
Mathb33 said:
I just think it’s crazy how you and some other guys are downplaying this to almost being normal. In no circumstances is it normal or healthy long term to have an egfr of 55 for years on and on AT A YOUNG AGE EVEN MORE SO. Idc if he’s 6 foot 2 230 lbs or whatever else reasons.

most BBers , from national to pro levels that I know have way better egfr and kidney values than he has and carry a much bigger muscle mass so that point isn’t valid to me, not at 6 foot 2 230. I really don’t see the point of downplaying this to " general population doesn’t train hard and these don’t necessarily apply to us".
Jesus a guy like Fouad abiad stopped competing early because his egfr reached 51 after 20 years of competing and he felt that was too dangerous and spent a couple years to fix it.


I don’t know if this is just psychological because I know your egfr is in a similar spot @Hyde and obviously you’re going to defend that point but there’s nothing that’s going to make this "normal or healthy"
Even if he was 350 lbs of muscle and training 72 times a week the point would remain he has to try and get those numbers back up a little and his kidneys are most likely not working very optimally.

more tests and a better doctor should help see more clearly.
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Reread my comment.

I specifically told him the accurate test to get for a lifter concerned with kidney function, and I also advised him to seek professional treatment from a nephrologist - indeed, kidney function is an absolute top priority. There is no good reason to remain in doubt. EGFR is not an accurate representation, and beyond the fact it’s the included cheapo kidney test it’s not very useful for anything other than being a canary in the coal mine. He needs to know his ACTUAL glomular filtration rate, which is typically significantly higher when an actually healthy lifter gets tested. If it’s not, the nephrologist can help guide him forward.

Also, my eGFR has pretty much hung at 73 for years of bloodwork. I don’t think it’s ever been over 80 something since I started getting bloods at 20 years old. The only times it’s been any lower, creatinine and BUN were up - they went back down, and eGFR goes back up (because it’s calculated off of those levels). Real kidney function doesn’t restore mightily; if you blast it out it’s not recovering significantly. That alone should tell you how worthless eGFR is, beyond if it’s good you probably don’t need to look further.
 
Mathb33 said:
@BBiceps im sorry I really am not trying to come at you at all I just think this is a serious subject and these type of things are always downplayed on forums / general discussions and I’m just surprised when "gurus" have such things to say.

Ill leave it at that I’ve probably said enough and I’m probably annoying people I just strongly encourage you to take actions and see someone who can help you get these numbers better.
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No need to say sorry, I agree, all good, thanks for caring.
 
Mathb33 said:
Why is automatic and became the norm that we say this nowdays? I think it’s okay to say it’s a possibility but I don’t think we should go out and say

"if you trained a day or two before then your readings are NOT correct".

i certainly know my egfr remains at 106-118 even if I hit legs the day prior. creatinine levels as well as bun remain untouched as well.
My alt / ast could get let’s say between 50-60 if I trained the day before but that’s above 10 pts above range which is not worth mentioning.

if OP wrote this saying his levels were high and he means couple points off then it’s irrelevant.
for athletes who train hard, alt or ast high shouldn’t be a concerned until they’re minimum DOUBLE the top range. Especially if you only have 1 value that’s high it’s even less
Of a concern. For kidneys I would keep a closer eye on maybe.
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Because it's factual. Most people (and this is coming from multiple specialists as well as my GP) will test high for kidney and liver values if they workout and moreso if it is strenuous or involves high cardio activity. I personally have to stop workouts 5-7 days before if I want anything resembling accurate.
 
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