Better pumps and better body composition in the short term. Nothing out of this world but noticeable. More pronounced if your on a cycle. I dabbled with lr3 and des in the past and I'm getting ready to do a more structured protocol with both of them in about 2 weeks with a 3 week on 2 week off fashion. Lr3 50mcg daily with carnatine and a high carb breakfast and another 100mg of des bi lateral in the muscles trained post workout