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Orals and Alcohol

Stacks1 said:
Everybody is different but everything has to be put into perspective. If you're running 1 oral compound and having 2 beers per week that's going to be safer than stacking a bunch of orals. I remember Medfit Rx used to make these products that stacked like 5 methylated compounds together. Putting that kind of stress on the liver is a lot different than running 1 oral that's a lot less liver toxic.
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Why are you Quoting me?
 
skinnybones said:
Why are you Quoting me?
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Well your post was good but it was a little vague. Like I said, everything should be put into perspective. So given your experience it would be helpful to know which compounds you were taking, length of cycle, how much you were drinking, etc to put it into perspective. Obviously if someone was drinking while on that Medfit Rx product I wouldn't be surprised. If OP is running 30mgs of dbol for 4 weeks and had 2 beers per week and got jaundice then that would probably surprise me.
 
Stacks1 said:
Well your post was good but it was a little vague. Like I said, everything should be put into perspective. So given your experience it would be helpful to know which compounds you were taking, length of cycle, how much you were drinking, etc to put it into perspective. Obviously if someone was drinking while on that Medfit Rx product I wouldn't be surprised. If OP is running 30mgs of dbol for 4 weeks and had 2 beers per week and got jaundice then that would probably surprise me.
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Stacks1 said:
Well your post was good but it was a little vague. Like I said, everything should be put into perspective. So given your experience it would be helpful to know which compounds you were taking, length of cycle, how much you were drinking, etc to put it into perspective. Obviously if someone was drinking while on that Medfit Rx product I wouldn't be surprised. If OP is running 30mgs of dbol for 4 weeks and had 2 beers per week and got jaundice then that would probably surprise me.
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It is what it is man I’m just trying to keep the dude safe. If he wants to be committed to a nice physique might as well just lay off the alcohol for four weeks it’s not that hard. I don’t need to go deep in my personal experiences but I am speaking from real life so …I’m just giving my two cents. Take it for what it’s worth. Have a good day
 
Stacks1 said:
Everybody is different but everything has to be put into perspective. If you're running 1 oral compound and having 2 beers per week that's going to be safer than stacking a bunch of orals. I remember Medfit Rx used to make these products that stacked like 5 methylated compounds together. Putting that kind of stress on the liver is a lot different than running 1 oral that's a lot less liver toxic.
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King Kong lol. When I first saw those I was like no way they're actually making products like this
 
Some orals are very toxic by themselves.
It doesn't have to be a stack (although some Are Ridiculous).
 
Renew1 said:
Some orals are very toxic by themselves.
It doesn't have to be a stack (although some Are Ridiculous).
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I agree dude it depends on what you’re taking and how much you’re drinking but just why?. Just don’t drink if you’re trying to get ripped cut the alcohol out it’s not a big deal stop drinking
 
skinnybones said:
I agree dude it depends on what you’re taking and how much you’re drinking but just why?. Just don’t drink if you’re trying to get ripped cut the alcohol out it’s not a big deal stop drinking
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I personally agree.
 
Mikereyn513 said:
King Kong lol. When I first saw those I was like no way they're actually making products like this
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That was it! Medfit Rx had some pretty good stuff. I have a bottle of their M1A stashed away (potent stuff). But stuff like King and Kong was just plain stupid. If you're going to drink alcohol on that stuff you might as well start your pre-cycle by getting your name on the liver transplant list.
 
Renew1 said:
Some orals are very toxic by themselves.
It doesn't have to be a stack (although some Are Ridiculous).
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I’m think this is a good point and probably the most important point. Would I drink on methyltrienelone? Nope, Not even some NyQuil lol
Would I drink a little on some var, absolutely 👍
 
skinnybones said:
I agree dude it depends on what you’re taking and how much you’re drinking but just why?. Just don’t drink if you’re trying to get ripped cut the alcohol out it’s not a big deal stop drinking
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I don't disagree with you but let's also not pretend like the amount you drink, the orals you're using, dosing, etc don't all play a role. We're talking about 2 beers per week here. It's easy to just say don't drink. But people on here are doing a hell of a lot more damage to their liver with some of the compounds and dosing than anything 2 beers will do, so it comes off a bit hypocritical.
 
Renew1 said:
That's true.

Combining two liver unfriendly substances doesn't seem very bright in my estimation.
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I agree. But look around this board and plenty of people do it. I'd feel safer running 1 and drinking 2 beers per week like OP than running 2 and kicking alcohol altogether. But to each their own.
 
Stacks1 said:
I don't disagree with you but let's also not pretend like the amount you drink, the orals you're using, dosing, etc don't all play a role. We're talking about 2 beers per week here. It's easy to just say don't drink. But people on here are doing a hell of a lot more damage to their liver with some of the compounds and dosing than anything 2 beers will do, so it comes off a bit hypocritical.
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"The people on here".
Who?
Him?
If not, then how is it hypocritical?

And let me say Very Honestly.....
2 beers a week CAN mean two beers a week.
But based upon what most of us have seen in our lifetimes .... It almost never does.
 
Renew1 said:
"The people on here".
Who?
Him?
If not, then how is it hypocritical?

And let me say Very Honestly.....
2 beers a week CAN mean two beers a week.
But based upon what most of us have seen in our lifetimes .... It almost never does.
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1) Plenty of people on here do but no, I wasn't referring to him personally. He said he used orals and drank alcohol together and got jaundice... all I did was ask which orals and how much he drank... pretty normal question to ask if you ask me. You'd actually be kind of stupid to not want to know. If he used 1 oral and drank 2 beers per week then I'd want to avoid whatever he used, hence the question.

2) The question was about a couple of beers per week. I agree that's not always what ends up happening but everyone here should be an adult and not some college kids who have no restraint. I for one can have 1 beer on the weekend and 1 glass of wine with dinner once per week. Not saying everyone has that self control... but I don't just assume they don't.
 
Stacks1 said:
1) Plenty of people on here do but no, I wasn't referring to him personally. He said he used orals and drank alcohol together and got jaundice... all I did was ask which orals and how much he drank... pretty normal question to ask if you ask me. You'd actually be kind of stupid to not want to know. If he used 1 oral and drank 2 beers per week then I'd want to avoid whatever he used, hence the question.

2) The question was about a couple of beers per week. I agree that's not always what ends up happening but everyone here should be an adult and not some college kids who have no restraint. I for one can have 1 beer on the weekend and 1 glass of wine with dinner once per week. Not saying everyone has that self control... but I don't just assume they don't.
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Again, from what I've personally seen .... If a person doesn't have enough self-control not to drink while using steroids .... Very rarely do they exercise restraint to keep them to 1 or 2 beers.
 
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Renew1 said:
Again, from what I've personally seen .... If a person doesn't chance enough self-control not to drink while using steroids .... Very rarely do they exercise restraint to keep them to 1 or 2 beers.
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That's fine. I was just trying to help answer the actual question without making assumptions about the OP's self control.
 
Stacks1 said:
That's fine. I was just trying to help answer the actual question without making assumptions about the OP's self control.
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That's cool.
But after seeing posts like this over the years, and the number of times that I've ended up having conversations with those guys ...
My assumption (without knowing the guy), is that the precedence holds more weight, until I get to know the guy.
 
Hey OP .. It’s already been one week since you posted so if you haven’t drank since then you only got three more weeks to go dude just go for the 3 left weeks of no alcohol. Like they say, one beer and gonna kill you but nobody ever stops at one beer get my drift
 
skinnybones said:
Hey OP .. It’s already been one week since you posted so if you haven’t drank since then you only got three more weeks to go dude just go for the 33 weeks of no alcohol one beer and gonna kill you but nobody ever stops at one beer get my drift
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I routinely stop at one beer. I know a ton of people who have just one beer. Idk why people think everyone is a party animal just for asking something like this. Sometimes literally one beer is enough to relax and chill if you are not an alcoholic.
 
Smont said:
Let me ask you a question. And mind you I'm someone who does not drink at all but I also feel like it's fine if someone wants to have a couple random drinks here and there on cycle.

But.......but ....... Did you come here for advice or did you come looking for ppl to agree with you, serious question. It seems more like your looking to debate the topic and add variables to the equation to support your stance.

Again, I'm not against you having a drink on cycle, but I'm 99.999% sure that you plan on drinking a little bit on cycle (which I think isn't that big of a deal) but no answer anyone gives you is going to change your mind, like you plan on drinking regardless, So what's the point of the thread really?
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He didn’t start the thread fyi
 
SSJ4GOD said:
I routinely stop at one beer. I know a ton of people who have just one beer. Idk why people think everyone is a party animal just for asking something like this. Sometimes literally one beer is enough to relax and chill if you are not an alcoholic.
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I do too. I regularly have 2 drinks per week. Is it possible that there are weeks where I have 3? Sure. But you get my point. I'm a little surprised that people on here actual find it so hard to stop... I've never had that problem (fortunately).

And I'm not saying that the posters here are wrong in advising no drinking on cycle - it's the right advice. But OP is 49 years old and it can come off a little condescending as it feels like people are talking to him like he's a college kid and advising him not to hit the keg at the next frat party.
 
Stacks1 said:
I do too. I regularly have 2 drinks per week. Is it possible that there are weeks where I have 3? Sure. But you get my point. I'm a little surprised that people on here actual find it so hard to stop... I've never had that problem (fortunately).

And I'm not saying that the posters here are wrong in advising no drinking on cycle - it's the right advice. But OP is 49 years old and it can come off a little condescending as it feels like people are talking to him like he's a college kid and advising him not to hit the keg at the next frat party.
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Ya that's the problem, most ppl here are not understanding that someone might actually mean a legit 2-3 drinks per week.

I don't care what cycle your on. If 2-3 drinks per week is going to cause liver problems then Yiur liver is already fucked up and you shouldn't be on steroids in the first place.

Before I quit drinking I routinely drank 20-30 drinks PER DAY for about 4 years and even before that I drank a lot, I have no liver damage.

Does that mean it's a good idea, absolutely not. But the point is, if the question is a legitimate 2-3 drinks 1 time a week, your gonna be completely fine unless you have some kind of underlying issues to begin with.
 
Smont said:
Ya that's the problem, most ppl here are not understanding that someone might actually mean a legit 2-3 drinks per week.

I don't care what cycle your on. If 2-3 drinks per week is going to cause liver problems then Yiur liver is already fucked up and you shouldn't be on steroids in the first place.

Before I quit drinking I routinely drank 20-30 drinks PER DAY for about 4 years and even before that I drank a lot, I have no liver damage.

Does that mean it's a good idea, absolutely not. But the point is, if the question is a legitimate 2-3 drinks 1 time a week, your gonna be completely fine unless you have some kind of underlying issues to begin with.
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20 - 30 drink per day?? Holy crap! Congratulations on quitting drinking because that is not an easy habit to kick! I've never drank anywhere near that before. I've drank more in the past... usually would pour myself a glass of scotch 3 days per week. The size of each glass was probably the equivalent of 2-3 shots. I would never drink that much on cycle though. If I decided to pour myself one of those glasses while on cycle then I wouldn't drink for the rest of the week. Like everything, it really is all about moderation and just being responsible.
 
Stacks1 said:
20 - 30 drink per day?? Holy crap! Congratulations on quitting drinking because that is not an easy habit to kick! I've never drank anywhere near that before. I've drank more in the past... usually would pour myself a glass of scotch 3 days per week. The size of each glass was probably the equivalent of 2-3 shots. I would never drink that much on cycle though. If I decided to pour myself one of those glasses while on cycle then I wouldn't drink for the rest of the week. Like everything, it really is all about moderation and just being responsible.
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Funny thing is I never craved a drink, I wouldn't drink at work. I'd get out of my day job and meet friends at the bar, then Monday through Thursday I shot pool in a bar league, Friday and Saturday I bartended and then went to parties after. So I was just around booze all the time. Then at 30 I broke my ankles and was out of work and just drank all day, sometimes fishing, or wherever.

I finally realized I was spending like 800-1000 a week on booze and eating out and my bills and family was suffering. So I quit and got back in the gym.
 
Smont said:
Funny thing is I never craved a drink, I wouldn't drink at work. I'd get out of my day job and meet friends at the bar, then Monday through Thursday I shot pool in a bar league, Friday and Saturday I bartended and then went to parties after. So I was just around booze all the time. Then at 30 I broke my ankles and was out of work and just drank all day, sometimes fishing, or wherever.

I finally realized I was spending like 800-1000 a week on booze and eating out and my bills and family was suffering. So I quit and got back in the gym.
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That's crazy. I'll never be able to wrap my head around how anyone would want to drink that much though even if it's all around them. Don't get me wrong - I love my occasional cocktail. And yes, I see the appeal of have 3-5 drinks and getting that buzz or light drunk feeling on a Friday or Saturday night. But I can't imagine drinking 20 drinks in one day and then being able to wake up the next day and drink that much again.... and then do it over and over again. I just can't imagine feeling good if I'm drinking that much. 20-30 drinks would have my head in the toilet every day.
 
Stacks1 said:
That's crazy. I'll never be able to wrap my head around how anyone would want to drink that much though even if it's all around them. Don't get me wrong - I love my occasional cocktail. And yes, I see the appeal of have 3-5 drinks and getting that buzz or light drunk feeling on a Friday or Saturday night. But I can't imagine drinking 20 drinks in one day and then being able to wake up the next day and drink that much again.... and then do it over and over again. I just can't imagine feeling good if I'm drinking that much. 20-30 drinks would have my head in the toilet every day.
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It's been well established on this board that Smont's body has some kind of superhuman ability to withstand chemical punishment that is hard for most of us to understand.

One of my often used comments goes something like: "Just because Smont does (did) it, don't think you can".

LOL.

True .....
 
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Renew1 said:
It's been well established on this board that Smont's body has some kind of superhuman ability to withstand chemical punishment that is hard for most of us to understand.

One of my often used comments goes something like: "Just because Smont does (did) it, don't think you can.

LOL.

True .....
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LOL yeah that's pretty crazy. He should have a warning label - "Do not attempt this at home. Doing so could create severe adverse side effects, including but not limited to, heart disease, stroke, and in some cases death. Please see a doctor if you experience chest pain and difficulty breathing, blurred vision, hearing loss..."
 
Stacks1 said:
LOL yeah that's pretty crazy. He should have a warning label - "Do not attempt this at home. Doing so could create severe adverse side effects, including but not limited to, heart disease, stroke, and in some cases death. Please see a doctor if you experience chest pain and difficulty breathing, blurred vision, hearing loss..."
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Your making it into something it's not. I'm not going around telling ppl to do harmful things to themselves. I get that your joking but I'm definitely not telling ppl to take dangerous risks
 
Smont said:
Your making it into something it's not. I'm not going around telling ppl to do harmful things to themselves. I get that your joking but I'm definitely not telling ppl to take dangerous risks
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I was 100% joking. I appreciate how you laid it out in your post. You told your story and advised against doing it. I appreciate you being straight about it. Like I said, I'm telling people not to drink on cycle... but I'm also going to be straight with them and tell them 2 drinks per week won't kill them.
 
Stacks1 said:
I was 100% joking. I appreciate how you laid it out in your post. You told your story and advised against doing it. I appreciate you being straight about it. Like I said, I'm telling people not to drink on cycle... but I'm also going to be straight with them and tell them 2 drinks per week won't kill them.
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Agreed
 
Personal experience? I was final boss alcoholic years ago and ran all the orals, liver is still in good health. So imo a drink here or there ain't gonna kill you... But still I don't go out of my way to recommend it
 
Smont said:
Ya that's the problem, most ppl here are not understanding that someone might actually mean a legit 2-3 drinks per week.

I don't care what cycle your on. If 2-3 drinks per week is going to cause liver problems then Yiur liver is already fucked up and you shouldn't be on steroids in the first place.

Before I quit drinking I routinely drank 20-30 drinks PER DAY for about 4 years and even before that I drank a lot, I have no liver damage.

Does that mean it's a good idea, absolutely not. But the point is, if the question is a legitimate 2-3 drinks 1 time a week, your gonna be completely fine unless you have some kind of underlying issues to begin with.
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Agreed 100%. The liver is insanely resilient and most people would have no issues, but it's never 100%.

Maybe he should just go on a test run and not worry about any liver toxicity. Lol
 
kisaj said:
Agreed 100%. The liver is insanely resilient and most people would have no issues, but it's never 100%.

Maybe he should just go on a test run and not worry about any liver toxicity. Lol
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That's a good point, I didn't realize it's a 4 week oral only cycles?

If that's the case I'd be more concerned with the fact I'm wasting 4 weeks of gear then I'm worried about my liver.

Now I forgot who started the thread

@skinnybones ???

Is this your thread? Lol can whoever started the thread share weather or not it's a short oral cycle or a full 8+ weeks with some orals thrown in the mix?

I guess it's irrelevant to liver concerns but now I'm curious about the cycle itself
 
Smont said:
That's a good point, I didn't realize it's a 4 week oral only cycles?

If that's the case I'd be more concerned with the fact I'm wasting 4 weeks of gear then I'm worried about my liver.

Now I forgot who started the thread

@skinnybones ???

Is this your thread? Lol can whoever started the thread share weather or not it's a short oral cycle or a full 8+ weeks with some orals thrown in the mix?

I guess it's irrelevant to liver concerns but now I'm curious about the cycle itself
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I started this thread. I am doing a 4 week kickstart w/ dbol. I am doing test and NPP for 10-12 weeks also.
 
If you're going to drink (or need to drink) 2-3 beers may hurt your goals more than your liver. i dont drink at all if im cutting, if i am bulking or recomp then i stick to light beer only in limited quantity, no DIPA or hard alc. it is more for the body to process and more calories. i shoot to burn the calories off via cardio, but i mostly run non methylated compounds anyways. just my .02
 
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