Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2022 Edition)

[De__eB]

I thought about that awhile back but its extremely hard to get branded ingredient companies to allow you to use their ingredient in another product with their main competitors ingredient and KSM-66 and Sensoril hate each other and have marketed against each other so much, it would be disrespectful to either of them to even try to get that approved honestly.

Plus, I think that may be an idea that would work better on paper than in reality bc I think that KSM-66 is better for certain things whereas Sensoril is better for certain things; that's why we use them both in separate types of products.

Good thinking though, I appreciate the suggestion.

Yeah, not only are they competitors, they're directly competing extracts of the same plant. I doubt you'll ever see a license agreement issued to put them in the same product.

And you're almost certainly right, the effects of lots of extracts are somewhat metered by the ratio of active ingredients within those extracts, and the same is surely true of the various forms of Ashwagandha extract

 

[sns8778]

Yeah, not only are they competitors, they're directly competing extracts of the same plant. I doubt you'll ever see a license agreement issued to put them in the same product.

And you're almost certainly right, the effects of lots of extracts are somewhat metered by the ratio of active ingredients within those extracts, and the same is surely true of the various forms of Ashwagandha extract

Thanks, and I agree.

I think that most people for example view KSM-66, Sensoril, and Shoden as competitors and they are in the sense that they are all different extracts from Ashwagandha and of course their in business to promote their ingredients and make money, but I don't think that from a practical standpoint that they are nearly as much of competing ingredients as they would like for people to think that they are; and I mean that in a good way though. Because I think that they all have particular things that they're the best at and while from a business perspective I understand they compete for the overall pot of money to made off Ashwagandha, I think that it would also help to sometimes truthfully educate on exactly which benefits which are better at versus than them trying to portray that they're better at everything.

It's the case with many herbs in that different constituents = different results.

And that's why I can see that it would sell well and be a cool idea to put them together (but it would never be allowed) but that it may wind up that instead of great synergy and hitting different absorption mechanisms like Curcumin C3 Complex, Theracurmin, and CurcuPrime do in Elite Curcumin, that it may be more like 3 different ingredients in a product but with a little overlap. I hope that makes sense.

I think another issue would potentially be the timing. I know some people that have a really hard time staying awake after taking Shoden and its not something they would want to take during the day; whereas with Sensoril the dosage would be ideally spaced out twice a day.

But I'm appreciative of the idea and the discussion it inspired.

I'm also appreciative to see you posting again; I hope that you're doing well and that maybe we'll see you post more often

 

[Rebel1978]

When will there be a Glycophase restock? I used a few bottles and only have a few left, really like the formula.

 

[Rocket3015]

When will there be a Glycophase restock? I used a few bottles and only have a few left, really like the formula.

It will be restocked but you may want to check this out.

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[sns8778]

When will there be a Glycophase restock? I used a few bottles and only have a few left, really like the formula.

Hopefully within the next couple of weeks.

We've had products getting restocked pretty quickly, we were just out of so much at one time bc of supply chain issues that it's taking a while to get everything back in. But if you've got a couple bottles left, I would say it should be back in plenty of time.

 

[Hyde]

Are there plans to re-stock Syn-30 going forward? Seems like an ingredient that has been drying up.

Bump

 

[aaronuconn]

Yeah, not only are they competitors, they're directly competing extracts of the same plant. I doubt you'll ever see a license agreement issued to put them in the same product.

And you're almost certainly right, the effects of lots of extracts are somewhat metered by the ratio of active ingredients within those extracts, and the same is surely true of the various forms of Ashwagandha extract

Tell me my idea sucks one more time…

Good to see you back

 

[sns8778]

Bump

I'm so sorry if I missed replying to that. Yes, we will definitely be re-stocking on SYN-30.

It's in the production lineup and I would hope it would be back in stock within the next couple weeks. We're getting things back in stock at a good pace, but we just make so many products that some things are always pushing others back and we were out of so much because of the supply chain issues. But it will definitely be back as soon as possible.

 

[Hyde]

I'm so sorry if I missed replying to that. Yes, we will definitely be re-stocking on SYN-30.

It's in the production lineup and I would hope it would be back in stock within the next couple weeks. We're getting things back in stock at a good pace, but we just make so many products that some things are always pushing others back and we were out of so much because of the supply chain issues. But it will definitely be back as soon as possible.

Thanks very much! There’s really nothing on the market similar right now besides Primaforce’s little 10mg caps.

SNS Syn-30 is THE top dog synephrine product out there.

 

[BOSSMAN]

@Hyde

SNS Syn-30 is THE top dog synephrine product out there

Coming from you, im interested!!!!

Looks very affordable coming from @sns8778 as usual

Thanks fellas

 

[Hyde]

@Hyde

SNS Syn-30 is THE top dog synephrine product out there

Coming from you, im interested!!!!

Looks very affordable coming from @sns8778 as usual

Thanks fellas

There’s no other synephrine single-ingredient at or near that dosage on the market. Let alone the tremendous value of the product, or that it works exactly as expected. Typical SNS reliability.

Very nifty as a stimulant add-in that doesn’t meaningfully raise bp, or for fat loss stack with 500mg naringin & 100mg hesperidin (2 caps of Syn-30 is all you need for that).

 

[Brocodeout69]

I know it was asked previously, but is the potential for a prostate health formula in the works? Or something @sns8778 would consider? There has got to be a potential market for it. Just curious.

 

[sns8778]

I know it was asked previously, but is the potential for a prostate health formula in the works? Or something @sns8778 would consider? There has got to be a potential market for it. Just curious.

We have a formula finalized for Prostate Support XT. We have so many new products to release that are already in and also some that are in the new product que in front of it, it would be premature to give an ETA on it though. I would say it will be Q1 of next year, but that could be anywhere from January to March.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific with a timeline right now, but from our end, its too early in to know because we have to bump back potential new releases in the production schedule to keep existing products in stock sometimes so it's unpredictable.

 

[Brocodeout69]

We have a formula finalized for Prostate Support XT. We have so many new products to release that are already in and also some that are in the new product que in front of it, it would be premature to give an ETA on it though. I would say it will be Q1 of next year, but that could be anywhere from January to March.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific with a timeline right now, but from our end, its too early in to know because we have to bump back potential new releases in the production schedule to keep existing products in stock sometimes so it's unpredictable.

Understand. Thank you for the response.

I understand that nothing is set in stone, in relation to an ingredient profile, but... Could you provide any tentative details?

Thanks!

 

[sns8778]

Understand. Thank you for the response.

I understand that nothing is set in stone, in relation to an ingredient profile, but... Could you provide any tentative details?

Thanks!

I'm sorry but I can't go into details on the ingredient profile quite yet. The good formulas in this category are all very similar and I can say that it would likely everything that you would want it to that would be typical in a product like it but then also contain at least 2 to 3 additional ingredients that I don't want to give out that will really make it stand out above other formulations; and its the special additions that I can't really discuss bc since its not in the immediate production lineup, I don't want to give any other brands ideas haha.

 

[Brocodeout69]

I'm sorry but I can't go into details on the ingredient profile quite yet. The good formulas in this category are all very similar and I can say that it would likely everything that you would want it to that would be typical in a product like it but then also contain at least 2 to 3 additional ingredients that I don't want to give out that will really make it stand out above other formulations; and its the special additions that I can't really discuss bc since its not in the immediate production lineup, I don't want to give any other brands ideas haha.

Understood. Look forward to the eventual release!

Love your your product lineup, your engagement with your customers & your honesty, so I'm sure it'll be fantastic!

 

[sns8778]

Understood. Look forward to the eventual release!

Love your your product lineup, your engagement with your customers & your honesty, so I'm sure it'll be fantastic!

Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate your support and your suggestions.

I really want to expand the Health Series and the goal is to offer the best product in each major issue specific category at prices that people can afford. Some of the ones that I know for sure that will be coming up in the next 6 months would be Cardiovascular Support XT, Cholesterol Support XT, Prostate Support XT, and more.

 

[SBH]

I'd like to see the ingredients of cloma-plex.

 

[Brocodeout69]

Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate your support and your suggestions.

I really want to expand the Health Series and the goal is to offer the best product in each major issue specific category at prices that people can afford. Some of the ones that I know for sure that will be coming up in the next 6 months would be Cardiovascular Support XT, Cholesterol Support XT, Prostate Support XT, and more.

All three sound fantastic!

Previously, I was taking Cardiosolve & Heartsolve by MPA, but they've apparently stopped manufacturing both.

A good cardiovascular support product, with a scientifically derived ingredient profile, and one that includes actual clinically effective doses of said ingredients, would be great.

So many brands underdose and it's disheartening, and annoying. "Proprietary blends," more often than not mean "underdosed" and ineffective. We don't want products with cheap CoQ10 dosed at 10mg, we want high quality Ubiquinol dosed at 100mg per serving.

Fingers crossed that the new products contain Bergamot & Arjuna.

 

[sns8778]

Well, I wanted to see more of De_eB from SNS on AnabolicMinds in 2022, but life gonna life.

Ha. I missed this post but I'd like to see more of that too haha. And in 2023

 

[sns8778]

I'd like to see the ingredients of cloma-plex.

We will be releasing it very soon

 

[sns8778]

All three sound fantastic!

Previously, I was taking Cardiosolve & Heartsolve by MPA, but they've apparently stopped manufacturing both.

A good cardiovascular support product, with a scientifically derived ingredient profile, and one that includes actual clinically effective doses of said ingredients, would be great.

So many brands underdose and it's disheartening, and annoying. "Proprietary blends," more often than not mean "underdosed" and ineffective. We don't want products with cheap CoQ10 dosed at 10mg, we want high quality Ubiquinol dosed at 100mg per serving.

Fingers crossed that the new products contain Bergamot & Arjuna.

I'm not a fan of proprietary blends either. They are most commonly used to show what I call 'a little bit of everything, not of enough of anything' and to deceive consumers that aren't familiar with them into thinking that they're getting something that they're not. For example, the average consumer may see CoQ10 in a prop blend and just think - oh, cool, this has CoQ10 in it, not realizing that it has 1 mg.

There are a lot of reasons that most brands do the things that they do and for 99% of them, its profit/margin driven and I get that to a degree because they are in business to make money; but its unfortunate for consumers that wind up being misled or deceived by it or buying things and thinking they're getting effective dosages and aren't.

Brands that operate from a purely profits and margins standpoint, which is most of them - and I don't mean that in a bad way, but they have to identify for themselves what is going to sell the most product and give them the best margins; and especially the brands that have massive advertising budgets bc they have to profit enough to pay for them. So for them, if they want a product to sell at x price, then they have a fixed end product cost that they have to stay under to make that happen - so they may make the best formula they can for that x price point but are therefore limited by that price point. Alternatively, these same brands a lot of times realize that there is a huge difference between what the average consumer is looking for and what the very well educated consumer is looking for, and they are going after the broader market so they design formulas accordingly.

I hope that makes sense. I'm just trying to offer a little insight.

As for other things you mentioned:

I like Arjuna and its a good chance you'll see it in something.

I like Citrus Bergamot in general and am a fan of branded ingredients but I do not see the branded version being worth it in this case because it is exponentially more expensive than a non-branded equivalent.

As for what you said about CoQ10, this applies to what I said above about general consumers vs. knowledgeable ones and why some brands do things the way that they do:
- 95% of people just want to see the label say it has CoQ10 in it.
- 99% of people don't know the difference between regular CoQ10 and Ubiquinol
- Then out of the people that do know the difference and really do want Ubiquinol, they'll still complain about the price of Ubiquinol because it costs so much more.
- So, if you think about it, if people that even know the differences will complain about the price, imagine the effect it has on average consumers that don't - they feel like they're getting ripped off or don't buy the products bc they cost so much more.

^^^^ I'm just explaining the thought process behind some things to give insight.

I can say that I most likely would not use Ubiquinol in a formulation product because of the cost of it and because people dose it at dosages all over the place. It's one that honestly brands are probably best to let people buy it separate and dose it how they want to bc its a scenario where no matter how we did it, it would still be wrong in many peoples eyes haha.

(I want to add in that as someone that has an autoimmune condition that requires bloodwork with CoQ10 concentration being one of the tests a couple times per year, I think that CoQ10 is fine for most people and that Ubiquinol, while better, is really only worth the price difference if you have actually need it and your body doesn't assimilate the regular form properly.)

 

[De__eB]

Hopefully within the next couple of weeks.

We've had products getting restocked pretty quickly, we were just out of so much at one time bc of supply chain issues that it's taking a while to get everything back in. But if you've got a couple bottles left, I would say it should be back in plenty of time.

I can only imagine the supply chain disruption in supplement world. We all know a huge portion of industry ingredients are shipped into the U.S. And shipping capacity was basically monopolized by the highest bidders with the most gross margin room to spend on excess shipping. AKA not supplement industry.

I'd be leery of supplement companies that maintained impossibly good inventory throughout the pandemic personally

 

[BigCatdaddy]

How about a women's libido product?

Now let the jokes commence

 

[Rocket3015]

How about a women's libido product?

Now let the jokes commence

No joke but is there really anything proven to work?

 

[Brianmc83]

If there is let me know so I can order a lifetime supply for my wife

 

[sns8778]

How about a women's libido product?

Now let the jokes commence

No joke but is there really anything proven to work?

If there is let me know so I can order a lifetime supply for my wife

This is actually something that I had thought about and I have a tentative formula for it that should work for most women.

I don't think that there has ever been a truly effective product in this category to my knowledge and that's because most seem to be thrown together and prop blended and just marketed rather than any real scientific approach towards making them actually effective.

However, the reason I think that's been the case is that formulating a product to help women in this regard is somewhat complex because there can be a lot of reasons for women losing libido so for maximum effectiveness, it would be best to target it from different angles.

That leads to the next problem in that most products in this space have always gone for super cheap price points bc most women won't pay much for a product like this and I don't think its possible to make an effective one that will sell at 19.99 and would be difficult to at 29.99. I think we'd be in the 29.99 to 39.99 per month range for an effective formula.

My reservation is that I'm not sure if it would sell well because of the price point it would have to sell at and also because we really need to work on expanding our marketing to have a more female encompassing marketing base.

If there is/was enough interest to where I felt sure we could sell through at least a batch of this to see how it goes, I'd be glad to do one but this is one I'd really need to see who would actually buy it (not just joke about buying it haha).

 

[SBH]

How about a women's libido product?

Now let the jokes commence

You're not getting any more of my nudes.

 

[BigCatdaddy]

This is actually something that I had thought about and I have a tentative formula for it that should work for most women.

I don't think that there has ever been a truly effective product in this category to my knowledge and that's because most seem to be thrown together and prop blended and just marketed rather than any real scientific approach towards making them actually effective.

However, the reason I think that's been the case is that formulating a product to help women in this regard is somewhat complex because there can be a lot of reasons for women losing libido so for maximum effectiveness, it would be best to target it from different angles.

That leads to the next problem in that most products in this space have always gone for super cheap price points bc most women won't pay much for a product like this and I don't think its possible to make an effective one that will sell at 19.99 and would be difficult to at 29.99. I think we'd be in the 29.99 to 39.99 per month range for an effective formula.

My reservation is that I'm not sure if it would sell well because of the price point it would have to sell at and also because we really need to work on expanding our marketing to have a more female encompassing marketing base.

If there is/was enough interest to where I felt sure we could sell through at least a batch of this to see how it goes, I'd be glad to do one but this is one I'd really need to see who would actually buy it (not just joke about buying it haha).

I think the buyers will actually be men and we talk the wives into taking it.

 

[sns8778]

I think the buyers will actually be men and we talk the wives into taking it.

I think that may be the case somewhat - the chance that we would be taking on our end would be how many would actually buy it for them &/or be able to talk them into taking it haha.

 

[BigCatdaddy]

I think that may be the case somewhat - the chance that we would be taking on our end would be how many would actually buy it for them &/or be able to talk them into taking it haha.

Oh, I get it. I'd be a buyer but how many others like me would and their SOs would go along with it? Hard to say.

 

[match]

Well, are their other benefits to the ingredients?

Maybe you market it as the best of both worlds.

The ladies get these benefits (I don't know what they are, but let's say for argument's sake that they could do the following) body fat loss, energy/mood enhancement, better sleep, improved enjoyment in the bedroom. So you market it to the ladies as such.

But you make sure when you market it to the guys, that the number one thing it does for the ladies is the libido improvement.

Is that deceptive? IDK, maybe. But perhaps that'd be the best way to market the product to get people from both angles, rather than just the one.

Ultimately, if it works and people are enjoying it, they can start filling out reviews, and you'll get lots of happy repeat buyers.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Well, are their other benefits to the ingredients?

Maybe you market it as the best of both worlds.

The ladies get these benefits (I don't know what they are, but let's say for argument's sake that they could do the following) body fat loss, energy/mood enhancement, better sleep, improved enjoyment in the bedroom. So you market it to the ladies as such.

But you make sure when you market it to the guys, that the number one thing it does for the ladies is the libido improvement.

Is that deceptive? IDK, maybe. But perhaps that'd be the best way to market the product to get people from both angles, rather than just the one.

Ultimately, if it works and people are enjoying it, they can start filling out reviews, and you'll get lots of happy repeat buyers.

Throw in biotin and call it “women’s health product”.

 

[SBH]

Throw in biotin and call it “women’s health product”.

Biotin would make it an easy sell for me.

 

[rascal14]

Anyone know of a pre made
M I C?
Next best thing to glutathione I think

I’ve seen injectable, I do think the glutathione “precursors” (not sure if it’s correct way to say that?) are the way to go though. I don’t believe glutathione itself is as good as a glycine, NACET combo is.

 

[sns8778]

Well, are their other benefits to the ingredients?

Maybe you market it as the best of both worlds.

The ladies get these benefits (I don't know what they are, but let's say for argument's sake that they could do the following) body fat loss, energy/mood enhancement, better sleep, improved enjoyment in the bedroom. So you market it to the ladies as such.

But you make sure when you market it to the guys, that the number one thing it does for the ladies is the libido improvement.

Is that deceptive? IDK, maybe. But perhaps that'd be the best way to market the product to get people from both angles, rather than just the one.

Ultimately, if it works and people are enjoying it, they can start filling out reviews, and you'll get lots of happy repeat buyers.

If we do a comprehensive women's libido support formula, we will be marketing to much more than one aspect that women would like so it would likely fall into some of the idea categories that you have here.

 

[migsacura]

Lemon Myrtle Extract
Some sources claiming could be the most anabolic natural supplement ever. Activates Skeletal Muscle Satellite Cells

Lemon Myrtle (Backhousia citriodora) Extract and Its Active Compound, Casuarinin, Activate Skeletal Muscle Satellite Cells In Vitro and In Vivo

Sarcopenia is an age-related skeletal muscle atrophy. Exercise is effective in improving sarcopenia via two mechanisms: activation of skeletal muscle satellite cells (SCs) and stimulation of muscle protein synthesis. In contrast, most nutritional approaches ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[SBH]

Quite interesting for us older lifters.

 

[SSJ4GOD]

Quite interesting for us older lifters.

Got bored watching because the guy can’t talk, what is it?

 

[SBH]

Got bored watching because the guy can’t talk, what is it?

Yeah, he's a bit long winded. Basically you can enhance the effects of MGF with lemon myrtle.
There is a problem maintaining satellite cells as we age anyway.

 

[SBH]

If SNS made lemon myrtle extract caps I would buy them.

 

[sns8778]

Lemon Myrtle Extract
Some sources claiming could be the most anabolic natural supplement ever. Activates Skeletal Muscle Satellite Cells

Lemon Myrtle (Backhousia citriodora) Extract and Its Active Compound, Casuarinin, Activate Skeletal Muscle Satellite Cells In Vitro and In Vivo

Sarcopenia is an age-related skeletal muscle atrophy. Exercise is effective in improving sarcopenia via two mechanisms: activation of skeletal muscle satellite cells (SCs) and stimulation of muscle protein synthesis. In contrast, most nutritional approaches ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for posting it. I've researched this ingredient some and its on my list of potential candidates for upcoming products.

I think that there are still a lot of questions surrounding it but it does seem to have some potential.

My worry is that some companies are likely going to go with cheap/non-correctly standardized extracts and/or promote it as the next big latest and greatest miracle thing and overhype the heck out of it and set up expectations for it that can't be met and leave people disappointed bc they had unrealistic expectations - as unfortunately happens with a lot of potentially cool ingredients.

Yeah, he's a bit long winded. Basically you can enhance the effects of MGF with lemon myrtle.
There is a problem maintaining satellite cells as we age anyway.

I'll check the video later; I never cut on anything with volume while I'm at work but will check later. Thank you for posting it.

I think that the truth on it is that it looks good on paper and maybe on studies but that doesn't always translate into real world results - or at least not as good of results as the hype will make it out to be. I think the truthful approach to it is that it has good potential and may be a good main ingredient but more than likely will be a good supporting ingredient - if it works the way it seems like it may and if the proper and quality extracts are used.

 

[Irishobrien]

Anandamide. Finally got to try some at a good dose (5 doses) and this stuff puts you in the best mood combined with PEA. And my mood is generally ****

 

[Jeremyk1]

Got bored watching because the guy can’t talk, what is it?

This guy seems smart enough and educated well. But goddamn he is a genuinely terrible speaker.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Thank you for posting it. I've researched this ingredient some and its on my list of potential candidates for upcoming products.

I think that there are still a lot of questions surrounding it but it does seem to have some potential.

My worry is that some companies are likely going to go with cheap/non-correctly standardized extracts and/or promote it as the next big latest and greatest miracle thing and overhype the heck out of it and set up expectations for it that can't be met and leave people disappointed bc they had unrealistic expectations - as unfortunately happens with a lot of potentially cool ingredients.



I'll check the video later; I never cut on anything with volume while I'm at work but will check later. Thank you for posting it.

I think that the truth on it is that it looks good on paper and maybe on studies but that doesn't always translate into real world results - or at least not as good of results as the hype will make it out to be. I think the truthful approach to it is that it has good potential and may be a good main ingredient but more than likely will be a good supporting ingredient - if it works the way it seems like it may and if the proper and quality extracts are used.

I’d be interested in seeing what you can find out about it. From that one study at least, they seem to think it works primarily through IL-6. So, hypothetically, this should stack well with arachidonic acid, right?

 

[ironkill]

Yeah, he's a bit long winded. Basically you can enhance the effects of MGF with lemon myrtle.
There is a problem maintaining satellite cells as we age anyway.

I believe humans need to consume around 3-4 grams based on the conversion which is a lot. Interesting however

 

[Jeremyk1]

I believe humans need to consume around 3-4 grams based on the conversion which is a lot. Interesting however

But they also got the same effect from an isolated compound in the plant. So a good extraction should bring the amount down, right?

 

[sns8778]

I’d be interested in seeing what you can find out about it. From that one study at least, they seem to think it works primarily through IL-6. So, hypothetically, this should stack well with arachidonic acid, right?

Hypothetically it may.

But after researching it, I'm not sure how feasible this is. See my next post.

I believe humans need to consume around 3-4 grams based on the conversion which is a lot. Interesting however

And at that dosage, it definitely doesn't make it a good candidate for a formulation product.

But they also got the same effect from an isolated compound in the plant. So a good extraction should bring the amount down, right?

In theory it might but the terminology in there was a bit confusing, maybe intentionally so. What I mean is that if you notice, in some places it phrases it like its the Lemon Myrtle doing it and other places it looks like they're saying its the casuarinin doing it.

Lemon Myrtle contains more actives than just casuarinin so I guess the big question is that if its the casuarinin doing the work or if its multiple active constituents contributing.

But, I posted something in another thread about this and I'll copy and paste it over in my next post.

 

[sns8778]

I had posted about Lemon Myrtle in a different thread and I'm going to copy and paste my replies into this post, so if any part of them seems a little out of context, that's why - but I wanted to put the information in here.

Study: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8912364/

Patents: https://patents.google.com/patent/US10729737B2/en
(Patent page can be misleading bc it looks like its only the info at the top - scroll down)

Kaneka corp. has the patents on this pretty well wrapped up for anything related to muscle it seems.

Now, here is something interesting from the study:
"A.Y., S.H., M.O. and M.K. are employees of the Kaneka Corporation; and R.T. is an employee of the Kaneka Techno Research Corporation. There are no conflicts of interest to declare."

^^^ It is very common for researchers employed by large raw material and branded ingredient companies to be involved in studies on ingredients they have a financial interest in, but I have to admit that I literally laughed out loud at them writing that there was no conflict of interest. I guess technically there may not be a conflict of interest so much as a definite interest.

I also think its very relevant to point out that this study was published March 4th, 2022 and the patent application from Kaneka was filed on on 10-6-2016 and published on 3-7-2019 and granted on 8-4-2020; so all the dates involved in that preceded the study. So, it would seem like they did not get a patent on this based off of the results of this study but that this study was done on something that they already had a patent on - so that may lead one to question it a little more.

Kaneka is legit, I'm not doubting them; I'm just saying that this doesn't appear to be as random of a study as many people are saying and thinking.

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My first thought that I had posted on it in the other thread:

I think that there is a lot more to the situation with this ingredient than most people are familiar with; I just posted a little about that in the above post.

I think that is has good potential IF the correct extracts are used but that a lot more research is needed to be conclusive as to how well it works and also to see if it works in the real world in the athletic/bodybuilding population. There are some great options for helping support decreased muscle loss in aging individuals that don't necessarily pan out in terms of bodybuilding type results. Some do, some don't and it normally takes real world trial and error to establish which ones do and don't.

I think that we're already seeing this ingredient be way overhyped and being touted as the next holy grail of bodybuilding ingredients and my fear is that the hype marketing is going to create unrealistic expectations with it that even if it turns out to be great, that nothing natural would be able to live up to if that makes sense. And when this happens, there's almost always a backlash against the ingredient and people say - oh, such and such doesn't work - when the reality is that yes, it may work but it works the way it works, not the way people and companies overhyping it say it works.

For example, Phosphatidic Acid is an awesome ingredient and I love it, people love it, and Phosphatidic Acid XT is probably one of our most anticipated releases ever. But if you remember back to when it was first brought to market, there was backlash against it bc some companies promoted it for d-bol like gains and when people didn't gain 10 to 15 lbs in a month, they said it didn't work; when in reality it works great, it wasn't the supplements fault it was mis-marketed. The truth is that PA is a great ingredient for consistent gains and can be used long term for great continuous consistent gains but needs time to build up in your system for best results (the complete opposite of the way it was originally marketed).

I hope all that makes sense.

If I had to guess, and its only a guess, but I would say that this is going to turn out to be an okay ingredient but would be more of a supporting role ingredient, like something that would be a great addition to an already good formula but likely wouldn't be the best candidate the main all-star ingredient of one.

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My follow up thought after researching the patents more:

I wanted to follow up on my posts above. I had done a lot of looking into this awhile back and went over my notes to refresh myself on it, and I doubt that you'll be seeing Lemon Myrtle at a proper extract used by any legitimate supplement companies unless Kaneka decides to offer it as a branded ingredient because they appear to have the patents wrapped up pretty good on this.

 

[SBH]

I believe humans need to consume around 3-4 grams based on the conversion which is a lot. Interesting however

Yeah, the dosage is a problem. Still looking to see if I can find a way to use this.