Rocket3015
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I asked this same question, I was trying to find Steve's response but I was unsuccessful, so I will let him answer it.
Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2022 Edition)
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I asked this same question, I was trying to find Steve's response but I was unsuccessful, so I will let him answer it.
sns8778
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It's a funny story because now days you see it used in products names for different brands, but we were the first company to ever use it in a product name as far as I know. When we first started, we had the word Xtreme in the name of some products but it wouldn't always fit on the labels properly because a product name + the word Xtreme was pretty long for a small bottle/label so we abbreviated it to XT.
We started to use it more commonly after that just as a branding thing for SNS because it helped distinguish our products. For example, if someone says - hey I used Cissus and you go type it in Google, you find a bunch; whereas if someone says, hey, I love Cissus XT, then you're looking for a specific product rather than just an ingredient.
I always kind of thought it was cool that we were the first as far as I know of to use XT and then so many bigger brands started doing it later on.
Rocket3015
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Cutting Edge As Always !!
Hyde
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500mg IP6 before bedtime - SNS already sells a year supply of this for $15:
https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/ip6-powder/
I’ve heard of guys on heavier cycles using a gram, but 500mg keeps my values at the top of the range essentially. Hematocrit usually 50-52. It was 52 on over a gram of gear with some sleep apnea at the time and no phlebotomies ever.
I have heard it posited as more of a regulator than a lowering agent, but I don’t know the why’s of how it works, only that it helps.
BCseacow83
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Super Swole Powder will be back by the end of the year. We changed the original formula because the GlycerPump was causing clumping. We went thru flavor samples trying to get the reformulated version tasting good and couldn't get it exactly like we wanted; then I made a slight new ingredient change and we're working on getting flavor samples finalized.
But for Super Swole fans in general, there might be a capsule version coming out before then
I found a bag of 10+ containers of pre's and aminos and powdered fat loss products I had cleaned off the top of the fridge and moved to the basement over a year ago. About half of them had turned into solid masses, some turned into a gel like substance and Super Swole......................................was 100% fine powder with zero clumping lol. No idea how with the ingredients being what they were but there it was still 100% useable!
josun
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Is ip6 the same as regular
is ip6 same as regular Inositol? I'm looking to try 4 grams of Inositol before bed. Many people have reported a big increase with sleep and energy and decrease in depression and anxiety
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Hyde
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No, it is different.
Rocket3015
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Good information, Thank you!
Rocket3015
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The others you could probably throw in a blender and still use.
Segansational
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This happened to both my tubs of Cannibal Ferox slowly over time, the gummy goo. Unusable.
Rocket3015
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I have had a few different brands do this, I still used them and they worked fine.
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Maybe more PWO and powder supps should be in individual packets or dissolvable tabs. Tubs of powder are not the easiest thing to work with and dropping an open tub means highly biologically active powdery substances now are flying around in the air not to mention wasting supps
sns8778
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IP6 is different. Regular Inositol offers a lot of great benefits but IP6 offers a lot of very unique benefits as well that regular Inositol doesn't offer. Very very underrated ingredient.
sns8778
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Its hard to get a meaningful dose of multiple ingredients into a dissolvable tablet and would also be a very costly route for brands to go. It's very limiting.
Putting powders into individual packets a lot of times doesn't resolve clumping issues; they can still clump in the packets.
(Although not sure if you were saying to do that for clumping for just for convenience).
I have thought about doing stick packs for products in the future for Focus XT and Energized Aminos when we get them back in stock and also for the upcoming pre-workouts and things, but this can actually add to the cost per container quite a bit and the MOQ's can be very high on # of packets. So if we do ever decide to experiment with this, it'll likely be on just one flavor of one product or something like that and see how it goes.
Rocket3015
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I'm good with a tub and a scoop !
sns8778
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I've always been fine with the tub and scoop myself too.
I have thought about for promo items maybe doing those little funnel keychains.
Something I do for travel convenience is that I picked up some little baggies in bulk and I keep a couple of them filled with Focus XT in my laptop bag for when I want to take a serving but may be somewhere where I don't have the tub with me.
ndiguy
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Be prepared for the cost of that product to go up noticeably lol.
A tub/scooper is economical and so easy to utilize that a caveman could do it.
Rocket3015
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That would make a great slogan for someone ??
ndiguy
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don't laugh at me lol, but i am once a while paranoid about tubs breaking and all the powder flying all over the place
Hyde
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You’ve clearly never tried to open a sample packet of powdered preWO and had it blast all over the place. That really is a concern with those, depending on how they are made. Some tear perfectly, others suddenly give and fly open.
It’s not like I’m carrying around scissors when I’m on the go either.
ndiguy
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I don't know that I've ever had a tub break... but I've definitely knocked one over while open on the countertop lol
NattyJuicer
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Anyone know of a pre made
M I C?
Next best thing to glutathione I think
M I C?
Next best thing to glutathione I think
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When that happened with all that powder mixing with surrounding air did you inhale a dangerous level of stims into lungs?
Rocket3015
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Never broken a tub, but I have knocked a few over, what a mess !!
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aaronuconn
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Ashwagandha Elite idea: KSM-66 + Sensoril + NooGandha. Kinda like Curcumin Elite
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NattyJuicer
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I like this idea!!!
Jeremyk1
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I think Hi Tech may have something like this already.
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slimsaw00
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Maybe I have missed it but does this hint that SNS is making a pre workout? If so, super cool!
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I think Muscle Addiction sells a PWO and it's owned by Steve (Steve correct me if wrong). Wonder if SNS main brand PWO will be a different formula?
Rocket3015
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SNS
Focus XT – 30 Servings
SNS
Focus XT – 30 Servings
- Improved Mental Focus, Clarity, Concentration, and Alertness*
- Improved Mental Performance, Memory, & Cognitive Function*
- Maximized Energy Levels*
- Improved Stress Levels*
- Improved Sense of Well Being*
- Improved Athletic Endurance, Drive, and Motivation*
- Improved Ability to Train More Intensely for Longer Durations of Time*
- Pre-Workout or Pre-Athletic Energy and Focus*
- Improved Mind-Muscle Connection*
- Combating Overtraining Syndrome*
- Increased Fat Burning During Exercise*
- Sugar Free and Great Tasting!
sns8778
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Sensoril is the type that we use in Stress & Anxiety Support.
sns8778
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We already have multiple pre-workout options:
- Focus XT - great nootropic pre-workout option for people that need to be able to focus on their workout and get their mind off the distractions of day to day life.
- VasoForce XT - stimulant free pre-workout in convenient capsule form
- VasoForce Rush - stimulant version of VasoForce XT; it doesn't get talked about as much here on AM but feedback is great and a lot of people love it and love the convenience of it being in capsules.
- CEL Super Swole - Powder - will be back available by the end of the year.
- Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore - great pumps and great energy - will be back in stock in next couple weeks
We are also working on trying to offer a different pre-workout that will be more like some of the basic pre-workouts you see on the market. It probably won't be as super exciting as the VasoForce's will be but we want to do something to cater to the customers in that market as well.
sns8778
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Thank you.
I think that Focus XT is an extremely underrated pre-workout. I love taking Focus XT pre-workout + VasoForce XT or half serving of VasoForce Rush.
sns8778
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Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore is a great product - great energy and great pumps.
(it's temporarily out of stock but will be back within a couple of weeks)
I want to clarify something, you referred to SNS as the 'main brand' - Muscle Addiction is not a sub-brand of SNS, it is a completely different brand. I do have involvement with Muscle Addiction, but just as SNS and CEL are completely separate companies, Muscle Addiction is as well.
No worries on your terminology, I just wanted to make sure that everyone reading realized that. Here on AM its fine that people mention them as a family, but in the overall marketplace, they are all their own individual companies, ran independently of one another, have their own target customer bases, etc.
So, to answer your question, decisions made for SNS formulas have little to nothing to do with decisions made for Muscle Addiction formulas, so any upcoming pre-workouts (or other products) from either company would not be based off of the other's. That's part of the fun but also part of the challenges, designing good products for the different companies that don't overlap too much.
sns8778
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I thought about that awhile back but its extremely hard to get branded ingredient companies to allow you to use their ingredient in another product with their main competitors ingredient and KSM-66 and Sensoril hate each other and have marketed against each other so much, it would be disrespectful to either of them to even try to get that approved honestly.
Plus, I think that may be an idea that would work better on paper than in reality bc I think that KSM-66 is better for certain things whereas Sensoril is better for certain things; that's why we use them both in separate types of products.
Good thinking though, I appreciate the suggestion.
De__eB
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Yeah, not only are they competitors, they're directly competing extracts of the same plant. I doubt you'll ever see a license agreement issued to put them in the same product.
And you're almost certainly right, the effects of lots of extracts are somewhat metered by the ratio of active ingredients within those extracts, and the same is surely true of the various forms of Ashwagandha extract
sns8778
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Thanks, and I agree.
I think that most people for example view KSM-66, Sensoril, and Shoden as competitors and they are in the sense that they are all different extracts from Ashwagandha and of course their in business to promote their ingredients and make money, but I don't think that from a practical standpoint that they are nearly as much of competing ingredients as they would like for people to think that they are; and I mean that in a good way though. Because I think that they all have particular things that they're the best at and while from a business perspective I understand they compete for the overall pot of money to made off Ashwagandha, I think that it would also help to sometimes truthfully educate on exactly which benefits which are better at versus than them trying to portray that they're better at everything.
It's the case with many herbs in that different constituents = different results.
And that's why I can see that it would sell well and be a cool idea to put them together (but it would never be allowed) but that it may wind up that instead of great synergy and hitting different absorption mechanisms like Curcumin C3 Complex, Theracurmin, and CurcuPrime do in Elite Curcumin, that it may be more like 3 different ingredients in a product but with a little overlap. I hope that makes sense.
I think another issue would potentially be the timing. I know some people that have a really hard time staying awake after taking Shoden and its not something they would want to take during the day; whereas with Sensoril the dosage would be ideally spaced out twice a day.
But I'm appreciative of the idea and the discussion it inspired.
I'm also appreciative to see you posting again; I hope that you're doing well and that maybe we'll see you post more often
Rocket3015
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It will be restocked but you may want to check this out.
SNS GlucoVantage XT - Advanced Form of Berberine (Dihydroberberine) - Now Available
Healthy Blood Sugar Support Make Your Carbs Work For You, Not Against You! Advanced Form of Berberine with Up to 5x Better Absorption 100 mg. GlucoVantage® Dihydroberberine 250 mg. Cinnamon Bark Extract 5 mg. Bioperine® GlucoVantage XT contains Dihydroberberine (DHB), a derivative of...
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sns8778
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Hopefully within the next couple of weeks.
We've had products getting restocked pretty quickly, we were just out of so much at one time bc of supply chain issues that it's taking a while to get everything back in. But if you've got a couple bottles left, I would say it should be back in plenty of time.
Hyde
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