Using Enclomiphene concurrently with AAS?

[johnny412]

I'm done I promise lol

apparently you werent lol

 

[Hyde]

People definitely overestimate what steroids do.

And you made a great point. Even if it worked on 100% of ppl, there's only so much drugs you would be able to use and the amount is going to be too low.

Say it works with 20mg dbol (it won't) but if it did, you got maybe 6 weeks on 20mg dbol. Your strength goes up a bit, you put on like 10-15lbs of bloat, 2-3lbs of muscle. Now within 2 weeks of stopping you loose 10-15lbs of water and within 2 months you loose the muscle and when you start your next cycle your right back where you were in the first place.

It's pointless.


And who tricked me back into this thread, thanks a lot lol.

If he was an outlier and could tolerate it for 4 months, no matter how much he could build, the big picture issue is…What can you keep? And then next run, what could you actually supersede that by? There is a very real longterm ceiling here, and 20mg of Tbol in a male doesn’t go basically anywhere, beyond the scope of putting that last Nth of an edge in an athletic performance where everyone else is natural.

It just doesn’t seem worth risking longterm endocrine health for someone who doesn’t actually want to achieve supraphysiological results.

 

[Nac]

Bang on, Hyde.

Trying to "cheat the system",so to speak, like this, also makes me think of that other older theory that tried to achieve the very same thing. What was it again? Oh, yeah. Pulsing. That started out as a way to get steron gainz but without impacting the hPTA. Wonder why it lost its popularity...

 

[Kronic]

I'm confused by how so many people say for certain it won't work in this thread, but in other threads it's wideley accepted that some individuals never fully shut down while on cycle. it should work for those people I would think right? just check your LH before and after. oh I guess you can also do testicle water displacement to check the size of your balls?? learned that from vigarous steve

 

[johnny412]

I'm confused by how so many people say for certain it won't work in this thread, but in other threads it's wideley accepted that some individuals never fully shut down while on cycle. it should work for those people I would think right? just check your LH before and after. oh I guess you can also do testicle water displacement to check the size of your balls?? learned that from vigarous steve

my hand works just fine lol

 

[BBiceps]

I'm confused by how so many people say for certain it won't work in this thread, but in other threads it's wideley accepted that some individuals never fully shut down while on cycle. it should work for those people I would think right? just check your LH before and after. oh I guess you can also do testicle water displacement to check the size of your balls?? learned that from vigarous steve

Are those other threads you talking about on Reddit? If so you got you answer right there…

 

[Hyde]

I'm confused by how so many people say for certain it won't work in this thread, but in other threads it's wideley accepted that some individuals never fully shut down while on cycle. it should work for those people I would think right? just check your LH before and after. oh I guess you can also do testicle water displacement to check the size of your balls?? learned that from vigarous steve

I’m confused by so many short-sighted people in the world asking for answers to questions that probably don’t matter in the big picture.

The lone use case here is to, ideally, not damage the HPTA and greatly accelerate the time it takes to reach the limit of what his endogenous production can maintain. Congratulations, you completed the gym. Now you can enjoy your mediocre results with no chance to ever progress any further again.

This is a solution only for people who desire to “hack” their way to what they were already capable of without the PEDs. I’m not attaching any morality to this conversation; I’m saying until people can prove that it generally works within X confines, it does present a substantial risk for someone averse to the traditional drawbacks of steroid use. OP deserves to make his decisions to experiment with that in mind.

 

[BCseacow83]

Thank you for sharing these threads with me! They are definitely a very good resource for this topic. I saw some people saying that enclo is protective of the prostate and it helps prevent prostate cancer... Makes me wonder why they randomly discontinued the drug trial when the drug had the potential to prevent cancer... Oh wait, that's exactly why :/

LOL. No. Were the pharma companies to find a PREVENTATIVE drug for any cancer they would ABSOLUTELY produce it as they could have EVERYONE taking that chit daily for life. That generates far more revenue that treating only cancer patients. Also only the companies that make cancer drugs benefit from cancer patients. If you are a company NOT producing the treatments you would absolutely release a treatment/cure as you make zero from existing treatments.

Even if your drug company made all the treatments you can still profit more from a cure. You calculate the average cost of treatment for a cancer pt. You then charge 10% more for the cure than you generally get from the treatment. People are not going to stop getting cancer so you will always have new customers and you profit on average more than the treatment. Three people can't keep a secret unless two are dead so the idea that the entire medical research world is sitting on cancer cures makes me laugh.

 

[BCseacow83]

I understand. Are you able to link me to any anecdotes that would disprove it? A previous person in this thread described how clomid was ineffective, but clomid is different than enclo. I ask because I have collected a lot of blood backed anecdote to suggest it does work in some cases, but I am always open to cross examination.

Then why are you not already on it if you have all the information you need?

 

[johnny412]

Then why are you not already on it if you have all the information you need?

well because starscream needs to come in here using big words and post studies that nobody gives a **** about so he can stir the pot. prolly doesnt have a home life so this is pretty much all he has......