Myostatin Killer Stack

MikeSumthin said:
Going to start a cycle of... ready...

Optimize-T
M-Test
Follidrone

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Great stack

I actually did Follidrone + epi-plex ( stretched out follidrone to 45day supply instead of 30 )

I did 2 caps of follidrone + 1 cap epi-plex and enjoyed my run and saved $ as i was able to stretch one to 45day and other to 60day supply .. plus i just love knowing i am getting 300mg -epi
 
MikeSumthin said:
Going to start a cycle of... ready...

Optimize-T
M-Test
Follidrone

Do you think I should add Epi-Plex? Too much?
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It's a good natty stack but it's not going to do anything for myostatin. You have to inhibit myostatin by like 98% to get any benefits related to myostatin inhibition. That's why all the myostatin inhibitors never seem to work. Even if you stacked a million things and you could inhibit myostatin by like 75%, it would make zero noticable difference. You have to damn near turn myostatin off 98%.
 
Edmichint said:
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Follistatin gene therapy or an experimental myostatin inhibitor are the only things that are going to decrease myostatin to any significant degre. Not otc supposed, sorry to burst the bubble. Training helps but that’s about it
 
ironkill said:
Follistatin gene therapy or an experimental myostatin inhibitor are the only things that are going to decrease myostatin to any significant degre. Not otc supposed, sorry to burst the bubble. Training helps but that’s about it
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This is the truth, I wish it were not but anyone specifically buying supplements in an attempt to inhibit myostatin or just wasting their money, I'm not saying those supplements don't work because they do work but for different reasons.

Even the pharmaceutical myostatin inhibitors don't live up to their expectations. We just haven't come that far along yet.
 
Im pretty sure epichaos works at least locally. repeated shin applications seems to help my calves grow and it definitely feels nice for pwo. follidrone doesn't have a ton of epicatechin so people usually go for epi-plex if that's what they're after. the cava in follidrone is nice for carb delivery or something though. I definitely like follidrone but I don't think it has a very strong dose of epicatechin
 
Kronic said:
Im pretty sure epichaos works at least locally. repeated shin applications seems to help my calves grow and it definitely feels nice for pwo. follidrone doesn't have a ton of epicatechin so people usually go for epi-plex if that's what they're after. the cava in follidrone is nice for carb delivery or something though. I definitely like follidrone but I don't think it has a very strong dose of epicatechin
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I'm not a BLR rep or anything but while they don't tell you how much epi is in Follidrone they claim the absorption is greatly enhanced.
 
BigGame84 said:
I'm not a BLR rep or anything but while they don't tell you how much epi is in Follidrone they claim the absorption is greatly enhanced.
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ya their quercetin crystals are pretty cool. they are in han swolo too. I wish you could get them alone
 
Smont said:
It's a good natty stack but it's not going to do anything for myostatin. You have to inhibit myostatin by like 98% to get any benefits related to myostatin inhibition. That's why all the myostatin inhibitors never seem to work. Even if you stacked a million things and you could inhibit myostatin by like 75%, it would make zero noticable difference. You have to damn near turn myostatin off 98%.
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What about YK-11?
 
Cheeky Monkey said:
What about YK-11?
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Useless for myostatin inhibitor, all steroids slightly inhibit myostatin, yk11 does it a little better, but even everything combined will not lower myostatin enough to make a difference. Yes all of these things still work and they all build muscle but they're not doing it because they are inhibiting myostatin.

Inhibiting myostatin is pretty much a pipe dream. You have to pretty much completely turn it off.

Look at a Belgian blue bull or one of those rare animals who don't have myostatin. The difference between a blue bull and a regular bowl or cow would be the difference between you with myostatin and without myostatin. Partially inhibiting it doesn't do anythingInvalid Link Removed
 
Smont said:
Useless for myostatin inhibitor, all steroids slightly inhibit myostatin, yk11 does it a little better, but even everything combined will not lower myostatin enough to make a difference. Yes all of these things still work and they all build muscle but they're not doing it because they are inhibiting myostatin.

Inhibiting myostatin is pretty much a pipe dream. You have to pretty much completely turn it off.

Look at a Belgian blue bull or one of those rare animals who don't have myostatin. The difference between a blue bull and a regular bowl or cow would be the difference between you with myostatin and without myostatin. Partially inhibiting it doesn't do anythingInvalid Link Removed
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The real question, now where is that light switch to turn off the myostatin so we can look like the belgian blue bull;)
 
MikeSumthin said:
Going to start a cycle of... ready...

Optimize-T
M-Test
Follidrone

Do you think I should add Epi-Plex? Too much?
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Optimize-T and M-Test will definately threat you great. Epi-Plex is a staple for me and i feel it greatly enhances stamina, strength and also help recovery and reduces inflammation.
 
LeanEngineer said:
The real question, now where is that light switch to turn off the myostatin so we can look like the belgian blue bull;)
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I'm sure one day there going to figure it out, they may already have it. But we're definitely not going to see it in a legal supplement and probably not in a research chemical category either.

Think about it, if you turn myostatin off like the blue bull you just build pretty much unlimited muscle day by day with no real effort. It would literally be a mutant superhero drug lol.
 
TheMrMuscle said:
Optimize-T and M-Test will definately threat you great. Epi-Plex is a staple for me and i feel it greatly enhances stamina, strength and also help recovery and reduces inflammation.
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How noticable is the inflammation benifits, that's not something I knew.
 
Smont said:
How noticable is the inflammation benifits, that's not something I knew.
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Hard to quantify it, but to me it has an equal effect on inflammation as CBD.
I have this crap achilles that is constant inflamed and i notice that it flares up if i run out of Epi-Plex.
 
Smont said:
I'm sure one day there going to figure it out, they may already have it. But we're definitely not going to see it in a legal supplement and probably not in a research chemical category either.

Think about it, if you turn myostatin off like the blue bull you just build pretty much unlimited muscle day by day with no real effort. It would literally be a mutant superhero drug lol.
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I seem to recall those without the myosta gene, like the Belgian blue, had very short life expectancies as well?
 
Smont said:
Yes, every animal that was myostatin deficient had a shorter life span and weird health issues.
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myostatin deficiency is usually accompanied by brittle/weak joints/tendons. I think part of it is because their muscles outgrow them, but I think there's more to it. one main concern people talk about with yk11 is increasing your risk of injury
 
Kronic said:
myostatin deficiency is usually accompanied by brittle/weak joints/tendons. I think part of it is because their muscles outgrow them, but I think there's more to it. one main concern people talk about with yk11 is increasing your risk of injury
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The increased risk of injury with yk11 is not because of myostatin though it's the same with other dht's like winni
 
Smont said:
Yes, every animal that was myostatin deficient had a shorter life span and weird health issues.
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Well think about it...
I was always told that your heart/cardiovascular system doesn't know the difference between muscle and fat. So it would be very strenuous in that sense.
 
MikeSumthin said:
Well think about it...
I was always told that your heart/cardiovascular system doesn't know the difference between muscle and fat. So it would be very strenuous in that sense.
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Oh absolutely, whether you're 350 lb obese or 350 lb of muscle your heart don't know the difference that's for sure
 
Smont said:
I'm sure one day there going to figure it out, they may already have it. But we're definitely not going to see it in a legal supplement and probably not in a research chemical category either.

Think about it, if you turn myostatin off like the blue bull you just build pretty much unlimited muscle day by day with no real effort. It would literally be a mutant superhero drug lol.
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I'm waiting for something that will result in uncontrolled penis growth! haha! (with a big tongue too!)
 
Smont said:
I'm sure one day there going to figure it out, they may already have it. But we're definitely not going to see it in a legal supplement and probably not in a research chemical category either.

Think about it, if you turn myostatin off like the blue bull you just build pretty much unlimited muscle day by day with no real effort. It would literally be a mutant superhero drug lol.
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I am not so sure it has to be completely turned off for us to see benefits. There is some research by Dr. Keith Baar that suggests this. Check this out if you haven't already, Invalid Link Removed
 
THEstudent said:
I am not so sure it has to be completely turned off for us to see benefits. There is some research by Dr. Keith Baar that suggests this. Check this out if you haven't already, Invalid Link Removed
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You go stack every myostatin inhibitor on the market and come back and report how well it worked, I can already tell you the results will be negligible, unless he has some recent scientific breakthrough in myostatin then nothing in that video will be revelent.
 
You guys ever wonder why when all the top coaches and bodybuilders talk about gear they never mention myostatin inhibitors..... Because they don't work, at least not the ones available
 
I looked into Keith Baar, no thanks, just another "expert" on muscle building who has no muscle. Im not superman over here, I'm mediocre at best but I make progress year to year, how come all these Muscle experts in lab coats never look any different or build any muscle? The science rarely translates to real life results
 
Smont said:
I looked into Keith Baar, no thanks, just another "expert" on muscle building who has no muscle. Im not superman over here, I'm mediocre at best but I make progress year to year, how come all these Muscle experts in lab coats never look any different or build any muscle? The science rarely translates to real life results
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Come on bro. Just because he is not "buff" doesn't mean his research is not valid. He is a scientist. You think the scientists who developed anabolics, sarms, or anything that legit builds muscle were all "in shape"? I don't know if his research is valid or not, I hope it is. The product that is based off of it hasn't made it to the market yet so there may have been some issues with the research and they backed out or as with what is happening in the supplement industry supply chain issues.
 
THEstudent said:
Come on bro. Just because he is not "buff" doesn't mean his research is not valid. He is a scientist. You think the scientists who developed anabolics, sarms, or anything that legit builds muscle were all "in shape"? I don't know if his research is valid or not, I hope it is. The product that is based off of it hasn't made it to the market yet so there may have been some issues with the research and they backed out or as with what is happening in the supplement industry supply chain issues.
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they should be, yes. Plenty are.
 
Smont said:
how come all these Muscle experts in lab coats never look any different or build any muscle? The science rarely translates to real life results
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Maybe they've never seen the inside of a gym and don't need to. They make crazy $$ promoting stuff, have a trophy wife and giant house... something in the same area as all the TV Reverends who have their private jets.
 
MikeSumthin said:
Maybe they've never seen the inside of a gym and don't need to. They make crazy $$ promoting stuff, have a trophy wife and giant house... something in the same area as all the TV Reverends who have their private jets.
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I don't know how that's revelent
 
THEstudent said:
Come on bro. Just because he is not "buff" doesn't mean his research is not valid. He is a scientist. You think the scientists who developed anabolics, sarms, or anything that legit builds muscle were all "in shape"? I don't know if his research is valid or not, I hope it is. The product that is based off of it hasn't made it to the market yet so there may have been some issues with the research and they backed out or as with what is happening in the supplement industry supply chain issues.
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You go follow all the science stuff and come back and show us how well it works. I'm not saying scientific studies are not important, there very important. But they need to be taken with a grain of salt before they rarely translate to real world results and that has been proven over and over and over again.

Whatever myostatin inhibitor he's trying to get to market I would bet my house it flops
 
Smont said:
You go follow all the science stuff and come back and show us how well it works. I'm not saying scientific studies are not important, there very important. But they need to be taken with a grain of salt before they rarely translate to real world results and that has been proven over and over and over again.

Whatever myostatin inhibitor he's trying to get to market I would bet my house it flops
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I will definitely go follow all the science stuff. Maybe the product if it comes to market will be a flop, time will definitely tell for sure.
 
THEstudent said:
I will definitely go follow all the science stuff. Maybe the product if it comes to market will be a flop, time will definitely tell for sure.
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You can do what you want, but no1 has ever built a body going by the studies, the studies are just little add ons, things to look into and implement but the decades old ways of doing things pretty much always come out on top. If you try to build muscle completely by the science your never going to make progress, I can see your getting upset about It but I'm not trying to offend you, I'm trying to help you. The reason everyone loves the studies is because it makes them think there's a easier way to get to the end but they rarely if ever pan out.

So I'm not looking to argue, I'm just going to agree to disagree and I will be interested to hear how you make out in the future. Because I would absolutely love it if your right and this is going to be a breakthrough, it would be a game changer, but I highly doubt it
 
@MikeSumthin

You logging all this or just getting ideas?
Regardless of the myostatin part of be interested in a log as these are all very popular supplements you listed
 
Smont said:
@MikeSumthin

You logging all this or just getting ideas?
Regardless of the myostatin part of be interested in a log as these are all very popular supplements you listed
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I just started the 3 yesterday.
I won't do a big log, but I'll report back w the highlights if you're interested.

I've done each one solo and really liked them, and also Anabolic Effect, so we'll see where this gets me.
 
MikeSumthin said:
I just started the 3 yesterday.
I won't do a big log, but I'll report back w the highlights if you're interested.

I've done each one solo and really liked them, and also Anabolic Effect, so we'll see where this gets me.
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That's even better, that you've done all through solo so you know the difference between them. I just see these products get brought up very often so it would be cool to hear some feedback on them as they seem to be the main components of the Natty anabolic stacks
 
Smont said:
You guys ever wonder why when all the top coaches and bodybuilders talk about gear they never mention myostatin inhibitors..... Because they don't work, at least not the ones available
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They don't work at all or they don't work better than running gear? Plenty of guys are running myostatin inhibitor supplements on this forum and have nothing but good things to say about them. I've never run any because I'm still skeptical but it gets harder and harder when everyone raves about products like Follidrone.
 
Tunaking14 said:
They don't work at all or they don't work better than running gear? Plenty of guys are running myostatin inhibitor supplements on this forum and have nothing but good things to say about them. I've never run any because I'm still skeptical but it gets harder and harder when everyone raves about products like Follidrone.
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There not building muscle through myostatin inhibition because there not really myostatin inhibitors. None of them are. There's a million things that slight lower myostatin on the market, even creatine is technically a myostatin inhibitor. I'm not saying that any of these products don't work, many of them work just fine but they're working through a different mechanism, it's not because of myostatin inhibition, not at all
 
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