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Epiandro VS Androsterone (R-andro) Experiences

thebigt said:
yeah, my wife and i had very mild symptoms also...but i seriously would not have continued to run the epi once i found out i was positive for covid--i have to tell you that doing that was pretty DUMB :)

in the future if you run epi again i suggest regularly getting BP checked-i would buy a monitor, they are fairly cheap, good luck and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
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Thanks same to you and your family brother! I’ll definitely loom in to that, although I’m probably going to lay off this type of stuff for a while, got a few natty runs lined up for the new year
 
Anyone can recommend a good androsterone product, preferably oral?

I already having some Proviron on the way but androsterone could be interesting to try if it actually do improve lipids.
 
BBiceps said:
Anyone can recommend a good androsterone product, preferably oral?

I already having some Proviron on the way but androsterone could be interesting to try if it actually do improve lipids.
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not oral but alpha seven is a excellent androsterone product and it's 33% off at iconic formulations.

way more bang for the buck with transdermal.
 
BBiceps said:
Anyone can recommend a good androsterone product, preferably oral?

I already having some Proviron on the way but androsterone could be interesting to try if it actually do improve lipids.
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I loved Enhanced Formulations androsterone (it’s an oral product) but I don’t think you can order from them anymore, but if you can find it somewhere, you won’t regret it
 
Tank88 said:
I loved Enhanced Formulations androsterone (it’s an oral product) but I don’t think you can order from them anymore, but if you can find it somewhere, you won’t regret it
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They are still selling it I believe in 125mg caps.
 
50Magnum said:
They are still selling it I believe in 125mg caps.
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I think EF is no longer a functioning company. I believe the owner passed away and he was the one running the ship. Someone corrected me if I am wrong?

They made good products at good prices.
 
thebigt said:
not oral but alpha seven is a excellent androsterone product and it's 33% off at iconic formulations.

way more bang for the buck with transdermal.
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that was a old post and the 33% off is no longer valid, but THEBIGT is valid every day year round for 20% off all products--sorry, i should have added that the 33% off was only for limited time, i apologize for not adding this. :)
 
ELROCK said:
I think EF is no longer a functioning company. I believe the owner passed away and he was the one running the ship. Someone corrected me if I am wrong?

They made good products at good prices.
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I reached out to them via the contact bubble on the site and email looking to buy wholesale and have not received any responses over the last two months. It's too bad as I do think there is a market for higher doses orals.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I reached out to them via the contact bubble on the site and email looking to buy wholesale and have not received any responses over the last two months. It's too bad as I do think there is a market for higher doses orals.
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It’s really sad news they’re gone, i don’t know of any other oral androsterone products and they also had 3ad which isn’t a very common product
 
Tank88 said:
It’s really sad news they’re gone, i don’t know of any other oral androsterone products and they also had 3ad which isn’t a very common product
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I believe I read on here where 3AD was gone forever because the guy who owned the patent got in trouble. I didn’t ask but it sounded like he was in jail.
 
The owner of the rights to 3AD did not have issues regarding 3AD, but other issues with the FDA...

We've licensed 3AD for use in topical form
 
I will be logging the Iron Mag Labs Super R Andro which is a topical.

I have used oral Randro, and oral Epiandro and honestly they were super similar for me

I have used MuscleGELZ Androhard many times and that is topical epi and randro blend. Eric P gave us permission to use that name.

I also personally had the Randro tested by Patrick Arnold a few years back

I will say that I do think in high dose, the Androhard, or these act very similar to Anavar or DHT derivatives like Winny.

I do notice that of all the benefits, the side that was most pronounced at high dose Epi or Randro was anger. I def got pissed off quicker on these at high dosages.

I use epi andro and randro to this day with many of my clients. I have a very good before and after with one of my clients who only used Androhard and androshred (7 keto dhea), and I worked him to death for 4.5 months and he did amazing.
 
Codybenz said:
I wouldn’t figure I would see anything physique wise with tren in the mix, lol. Was actually curious about the DHEA and feel good effects. I’ve heard mixed feelings about DHEA with men on trt.
Just Always looking for something else to throw in if it’s worth any benefits.
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ultra epi is 450mg per dose--compare!!!

use code THEBIGT and it's $48....best bang for the buck epi i have seen-i just got a tube along with alpha seven and all out sweat...want to keep the weight down in winter when it's too cold to do a lot of outdoor running...and i HATE cutting cals very low if at all... :p
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
while you wait stanogen is on BOGO this weekend. IMO its a better solo hormone anyhow.

3ad is pretty nice when combined with other things though.
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Can you post me some info about Stanogen ripper? Not familiar with that one. Is it a dht derivative ? Also transdermal form or pills?
 
Epiandro makes me super lethargic even moreso than R andro. Any reason why this happens?? Ive tried to run epi 3 diff times and its the same thing I get tired and have no motivation to workout even with caffeine. Androsterone does the same thing but not as bad depnding on the dosage fr me.
 
I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but it’s the most informative I’vI’ve been reading about andro products for hours now and I’m still confused lol. So, epiandro can cause anxiety and BP spikes, but andro (such as Alpha 7) doesn’t? And epi just converts to DHT, so what’s the point, really?

I’ve never ran any anabolics, but have researched them (more traditional steroids, I’m clueless about this andro stuff, as you can tell - except that I was soooo close to order the original AndroHard - not the musclegelz, but the one back in the early 2010’s) and have wanted to try for years. These products seem like a decent way to dip my toe in to test the waters, but it’s super confusing.

It sounds like something like Ultra Hard would be best for maximal gains while off-setting the side effects? Since it would be my first time, and I’d likely start with a very low dose, would 10/10/10/10 of Nolva be sufficient? It might be overkill, but I’d rather be safe than sorry.

I guess epiandro wouldn’t aromatize as it just converts to DHT, but what about andro? I just want to make sure that I have an idea of what sort of ancillaries I would need
 
bill86 said:
I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but it’s the most informative I’vI’ve been reading about andro products for hours now and I’m still confused lol. So, epiandro can cause anxiety and BP spikes, but andro (such as Alpha 7) doesn’t? And epi just converts to DHT, so what’s the point, really?

I’ve never ran any anabolics, but have researched them (more traditional steroids, I’m clueless about this andro stuff, as you can tell - except that I was soooo close to order the original AndroHard - not the musclegelz, but the one back in the early 2010’s) and have wanted to try for years. These products seem like a decent way to dip my toe in to test the waters, but it’s super confusing.

It sounds like something like Ultra Hard would be best for maximal gains while off-setting the side effects? Since it would be my first time, and I’d likely start with a very low dose, would 10/10/10/10 of Nolva be sufficient? It might be overkill, but I’d rather be safe than sorry.

I guess epiandro wouldn’t aromatize as it just converts to DHT, but what about andro? I just want to make sure that I have an idea of what sort of ancillaries I would need
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different people are going to have different experiences...my personal experience is that when i run epiandro solo it spikes mY BP, but when i run it with androsterone it reduces the BP spike....both epiandro and androsterone convert to DHT although there are subtle differences-while epiandro can indirectly reduce estrogen levels through increasing DHT, androsterone has a more direct AI effect...plus there is a study showing that androsterone has a positive effect on lipids, no study that i am aware of exists on epiandro having this effect.

Ultra Hard contains both epiandro & androsterone and yes 10/10/10/10 nolva would be absolutely sufficient, imo-some would say a serm isn't necessary.
 
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I'm running epiandro and androsterone (Iconic and Alpha Gainz products) at solid dose right now. Going to get bloodwork 8ish weeks in to help decide if SERM is warranted. Very curious to find out. Almost 3 weeks in and no signs of suppression. Libido is actually up, balls normal, morning wood, etc. Hardening and drying effects are starting to shine. On a slow steady cut and strength is great while cutting. No lethargy like I normally have. I found using a solid morning transdermal base of epi then using oral epi pre workout to be excellent. The drive and energy from it are really nice. If I put to much transdermal epi in the AM it's to much energy at that hour for me. Honestly not sure about androsterone effects seperately because I've been running them together. I definitely feel the Epi though.
 
NegativeMass said:
I'm running epiandro and androsterone (Iconic and Alpha Gainz products) at solid dose right now. Going to get bloodwork 8ish weeks in to help decide if SERM is warranted. Very curious to find out. Almost 3 weeks in and no signs of suppression. Libido is actually up, balls normal, morning wood, etc. Hardening and drying effects are starting to shine. On a slow steady cut and strength is great while cutting. No lethargy like I normally have. I found using a solid morning transdermal base of epi then using oral epi pre workout to be excellent. The drive and energy from it are really nice. If I put to much transdermal epi in the AM it's to much energy at that hour for me. Honestly not sure about androsterone effects seperately because I've been running them together. I definitely feel the Epi though.
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Nice, let us know about your blood test results then will ya, mate = ) I've been planning to do a run of Alpha 7 + Ultra Epi myself in the future and check hormone levels + lipids on that run, and am very interested to see your results too.

That's excatly what I've done with Ultra Hard too; UH in the morning and oral Epiandro preWO. I've allways had other (stronger) stuff in the stack aswell, so I've used a serm, but I'd like to do a light run of something not meaningfully suppressive, but still useful and get away without being suppressed and a serm pct. I think androsterone and Epiandro could fit the bill.
 
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NegativeMass said:
I'm running epiandro and androsterone (Iconic and Alpha Gainz products) at solid dose right now. Going to get bloodwork 8ish weeks in to help decide if SERM is warranted. Very curious to find out. Almost 3 weeks in and no signs of suppression. Libido is actually up, balls normal, morning wood, etc. Hardening and drying effects are starting to shine. On a slow steady cut and strength is great while cutting. No lethargy like I normally have. I found using a solid morning transdermal base of epi then using oral epi pre workout to be excellent. The drive and energy from it are really nice. If I put to much transdermal epi in the AM it's to much energy at that hour for me. Honestly not sure about androsterone effects seperately because I've been running them together. I definitely feel the Epi though.
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Very curious to here how this effects your LDL
 
KvanH said:
Nice, let us know about your blood test results then will ya, mate = ) I've been planning to do a run of Alpha 7 + Ultra Epi myself in the future and check hormone levels + lipids on that run, and am very interested to see your results too.

That's excatly what I've done with Ultra Hard too; UH in the morning and oral Epiandro preWO. I've allways had other (stronger) stuff in the stack aswell, so I've used a serm, but I'd like to do a light run of something not meaningfully suppressive, but still useful and get away without being suppressed and a serm pct. I think androsterone and Epiandro could fit the bill.
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JKVol said:
Very curious to here how this effects your LDL
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Will post when I get the results. Hoping to get DHT tested as well. I have a recent DHT baseline when on no anabolics.

I'm using 2 different transdermals so I could adjust the amounts of each compound. Enjoying 200 - 240 androsterone transdermal. 250 - 300 epi transdermal with oral epi as desired. Mental, libido, and energy effects were apparent day 1. Physical effects began appearing week 2, slow but steady. Drier, more vascular, cut going great, strength is great. Loving it so far.

Also using dermacrine 3 pumps a day because I love the stuff, and mk 677 4 days a week which I have been using for quite awhile.
 
BluTactical said:
Is PCT needed for Ultra Hard? If so, would it be because of the Epi or the Andro?
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Imo yes it’s required, and because of both the compounds. You could potentially get away with over the counter pct, but i would rather do a proper pct, and maybe throw in a test booster (m test, sustain alpha, etc)
 
BluTactical said:
Is PCT needed for Ultra Hard? If so, would it be because of the Epi or the Andro?
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both will suppress natural testosterone, so yes pct is highly recommended as is blood work like for any cycle
 
BluTactical said:
Is PCT needed for Ultra Hard? If so, would it be because of the Epi or the Andro?
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Both Randro and Epiandro are suppressive sir

PCT and HPTA shutdown in my experience "medically" working with Endos urologists. PCT takes 2-12 months to return HPTA

The Andros are mildly suppressive compared to say Testosterone, but they can and will shut you down

Age, cycle history, overall health, metabolism, immune function and recreational drug and alcohol use, as well as hydration will all have effects on when and how fast you can return HPTA, FYI.
 
Tank88 said:
Imo yes it’s required, and because of both the compounds. You could potentially get away with over the counter pct, but i would rather do a proper pct, and maybe throw in a test booster (m test, sustain alpha, etc)
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there are 2 board sponsors that i know of who carry serms at a reasonable price--but of course i agree with including sustain alpha :)
 
thebigt said:
there are 2 board sponsors that i know of who carry serms at a reasonable price--but of course i agree with including sustain alpha :)
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This would be my first choice as well.
 
delsolrob said:
The owner of the rights to 3AD did not have issues regarding 3AD, but other issues with the FDA...

We've licensed 3AD for use in topical form
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BigGame84 said:
Bump for update?
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delsolrob said:
Dealing with bottle assembly shortages - awaiting a response from supplier…they’re months late
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AndroRage said:
Is this still in the works? will be available in UK?
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It's something we're working on - but, the airless pump bottles we use are in short supply and we couldn't get extras...we've been waiting on them for months. I'm sure our European retailers will pick them up when they're available.
 
delsolrob said:
It's something we're working on - but, the airless pump bottles we use are in short supply and we couldn't get extras...we've been waiting on them for months. I'm sure our European retailers will pick them up when they're available.
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Any updates
 
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