SNS - Nootropic Request Thread - Tell Us What You Want

[sns8778]

Well, here’s my rambling thoughts….

I’m interested in the blended product with centrophenoxine. Never know how to stack that solo.

Sabroxy sounds promising and I’d definitely try that.

Zynamite also has a lot of potential. I tried it for the first time this weekend and found it to have a higher peak and longer, happier effect than Dynamine or teacrine. Azoth has good doses but the prices are too high without coupons. But keeping the dose high without using dynamine/teacrine could make a good product.

Panthergy was popular for a few years but never seemed to be well-understood. (N-methyl-pentyl -immunoglutaric acid). Seems like the mfr website disappeared and Psycho Pharma reformulated away from it. But people loved the initial batches and I still have a stash.

SantEnergy Nu is in Glaxon products. I know there’s so much in Specimen it’s hard to say what’s what but this sounded promising.

Caffeine free focus XT in alien grape flavor would be awesome.

100 mg theanine, 100 mg caffeine and 75 mg Uridine mono phosphate is a great stack for me too. But usually the pills on Amazon have 300 mg Uridine so I’m always opening the caps and pouring out. Not sure on compliance but something to consider. Without theanine though this gets too aggressive and I get a bad mood

Liftmode and chemix both have comprehensive new nootropics that I’ve wanted to try but haven’t gotten around to it. Not suggesting you copy anything, just citing examples that have genuinely intrigued me in a crowded marketplace.

Do you sell better with solo ingredients or blended products? If you could find a better stack or synergy, combined with some marketing, that could probably go a long way for you guys. It’s overwhelming to look at all these solo ingredients and figure out the best stacks

Thank you for the ideas.

Centrophenoxine - I've wanted to do one but never had many people ask. I am considering it for an upcoming formula that will be out later this yea.

Sabroxy we are definitely going to do. Most likely either 250 or 300 mg. caps as that seems to be where it really starts to work well for most people. I like 300 mg. but the 250 mg. allows for uniform versatility for people that want to do like 500 mg., 750 mg., etc.

For Zynamite, are you suggesting a blend of that with TeaCrine and Dynamine or it by itself?

Panthergy is not compliant. There's a long story behind that ingredient. But basically it was a mess, frequently mislabeled, etc. I'm surprised no one wound up getting FDA action or criminal charges out of that.

SantEnergy Nu - not very familiar with it. I'll look into it a little more.

Focus XT Caffeine Free Storming Grape Limeade is a very good possibility by the end of the year.

Uridine I thought about but like you said, some people it affects differently.

Could you pm me the product by Liftmode you're talking about? I honestly don't hardly ever pay attention to them so I haven't see a new comprehensive one from them.

We actually kind of treat the solo ingredients and formulas as separate divisions of the company. That's why rather than an either or approach, we can do both. You mentioned marketing and that's our ultimate downfall. We need to do a much better job at marketing in general, especially on social media.

 

[mavup]

@sns8778 I saw on the product page for kannaease at dps that there is going to be a Kava XT, any more info on this?

 

[sns8778]

@sns8778 I saw on the product page for kannaease at dps that there is going to be a Kava XT, any more info on this?

There will be. We have labels already; just a matter of prioritizing it in the production lineup.

I mentioned it a few times and didn't get much of a response; I don't know if people overlooked it or what; but I figured there would be a lot more interest in it.

 

[mavup]

There will be. We have labels already; just a matter of prioritizing it in the production lineup.

I mentioned it a few times and didn't get much of a response; I don't know if people overlooked it or what; but I figured there would be a lot more interest in it.

I’m absolutely going to getting it when it’s ready, then. I guess I missed you mentioning it, otherwise I would’ve asked more about it! Can you say anything more about it like the standardization to different kavalactones, etc.?

 

[sns8778]

I’m absolutely going to getting it when it’s ready, then. I guess I missed you mentioning it, otherwise I would’ve asked more about it! Can you say anything more about it like the standardization to different kavalactones, etc.?

The plan was to do 90 Veg Caps per bottle with each containing Kava (std. to 30% Kavalactones) - 375 mg. per capsule so that would equal 112.5 mg. Kavalactones per capsule.

 

[scump]

I'm keen for an all in 1 capsule, preferably where a serving size is 2 caps or less.

IDK about everyone else but the amount of powders/caps taken each day gets excessive. esp when you consider joint support alone is usually like 4 caps a day.

I used to use Nootropimax by performax labs and really enjoyed it, effective formula and even only 1 cap worked great.

I liked focus XT but haven't used it in several years bc i don't really feel like chugging down something at 5am and chancing the squirts early at work. Also i like the idea of stim free focus supps too, makes stacking much more friendly.

 

[sns8778]

I'm keen for an all in 1 capsule, preferably where a serving size is 2 caps or less.

IDK about everyone else but the amount of powders/caps taken each day gets excessive. esp when you consider joint support alone is usually like 4 caps a day.

I used to use Nootropimax by performax labs and really enjoyed it, effective formula and even only 1 cap worked great.

I liked focus XT but haven't used it in several years bc i don't really feel like chugging down something at 5am and chancing the squirts early at work. Also i like the idea of stim free focus supps too, makes stacking much more friendly.

The max volume in a size 00 capsule is 750 to 800 mg; so that would make 2 caps be 1500 to 1600 mg. So the amount of capsules is really dictated by the amount of active ingredients which can then limit what you can use in the product.

Nootropimax had had Noopept in there and many retailers will not carry Noopept anymore so its not something we would use in a combination product for that reason.

If you haven't tried the newest version of Focus XT that's been out for the last few years, you should give it a try. We also do make a Caffeine Free version.

Later this year, we do have more than one nootropic capsule products coming out but its too soon for an ETA as we have a lot of things in production in front of it.

 

[poison]

There will be. We have labels already; just a matter of prioritizing it in the production lineup.

I mentioned it a few times and didn't get much of a response; I don't know if people overlooked it or what; but I figured there would be a lot more interest in it.

Damn, nice. I love kava. Is this from roots only? Would you consider doing a powdered root powder, not capped?

Nitrosigine would be great, I've been taking it frequently, and like it a lot.

How about a 1-2 cap multi-ingredient nootropic for use with morning coffee? Plenty of decent formulas out there, but few without caffeine, and I ain't giving up my morning coffee for anything.

Also, in any formula you do, **** l-theanine, unless it's a sleep formula.

 

[jarrellt67]

Damn, nice. I love kava. Is this from roots only? Would you consider doing a powdered root powder, not capped?

Nitrosigine would be great, I've been taking it frequently, and like it a lot.

How about a 1-2 cap multi-ingredient nootropic for use with morning coffee? Plenty of decent formulas out there, but few without caffeine, and I ain't giving up my morning coffee for anything.

Also, in any formula you do, **** l-theanine, unless it's a sleep formula.

I'll strongly second a nootropic formula and especially one without l-theanine.

 

[sns8778]

I'll strongly second a nootropic formula and especially one without l-theanine.

We are working on a couple of different nootropics but its such a broad category to appeal to everyone. I'd be curious to see what ingredient ideas you'd like to see in one.

As for Theanine, it seems to be very disliked by some here but its one of the most researched and best selling nootropic ingredients on the market so it puts companies in a tough spot sometimes.

 

[sns8778]

Damn, nice. I love kava. Is this from roots only? Would you consider doing a powdered root powder, not capped?

Nitrosigine would be great, I've been taking it frequently, and like it a lot.

How about a 1-2 cap multi-ingredient nootropic for use with morning coffee? Plenty of decent formulas out there, but few without caffeine, and I ain't giving up my morning coffee for anything.

Also, in any formula you do, **** l-theanine, unless it's a sleep formula.

Yes, it is from Kava Root only.

I doubt we would do a powdered Kava for a couple of reasons - the concentrated form we are using tastes terrible and the FDA and insurance companies would probably have a huge issue with offering concentrated Kava in bulk form because of the possibility of people messing up their dosing.

We have considered a Nitrosigine for awhile; the issue is that they will not allow a company to name the product Nitrosigine or Nitrosigine XT or something like that. So it really limits the marketability of it bc people seeing the name wouldn't automatically know its Nitrosigine. That's why it keeps getting pushed back on the priority list.

What type formula for use with morning coffee do you have in mind?

As for Theanine, there will likely be formulas coming from us that do have it in there and some that don't. As much as it isn't liked by some on here, it is one of the most well-researched nootropics available and also sales wise, one of the most popular with many of the nootropic sites.

 

[Pcakes]

Yes, it is from Kava Root only.

I doubt we would do a powdered Kava for a couple of reasons - the concentrated form we are using tastes terrible and the FDA and insurance companies would probably have a huge issue with offering concentrated Kava in bulk form because of the possibility of people messing up their dosing.

We have considered a Nitrosigine for awhile; the issue is that they will not allow a company to name the product Nitrosigine or Nitrosigine XT or something like that. So it really limits the marketability of it bc people seeing the name wouldn't automatically know its Nitrosigine. That's why it keeps getting pushed back on the priority list.

What type formula for use with morning coffee do you have in mind?

As for Theanine, there will likely be formulas coming from us that do have it in there and some that don't. As much as it isn't liked by some on here, it is one of the most well-researched nootropics available and also sales wise, one of the most popular with many of the nootropic sites.

Really excited for the Kava supplement. Used to make kavaritas all the time with the micronized powder.

 

[sns8778]

Really excited for the Kava supplement. Used to make kavaritas all the time with the micronized powder.

Thank you. I'm glad you're excited for it. Always feel free to let me know anything else that you'd like to see from us as well.

 

[mavup]

Have you looked into baicalein before? I’ve enjoyed it recently for its anxiolytic effects.

 

[ELROCK]

Yes, it is from Kava Root only.

I doubt we would do a powdered Kava for a couple of reasons - the concentrated form we are using tastes terrible and the FDA and insurance companies would probably have a huge issue with offering concentrated Kava in bulk form because of the possibility of people messing up their dosing.

We have considered a Nitrosigine for awhile; the issue is that they will not allow a company to name the product Nitrosigine or Nitrosigine XT or something like that. So it really limits the marketability of it bc people seeing the name wouldn't automatically know its Nitrosigine. That's why it keeps getting pushed back on the priority list.

What type formula for use with morning coffee do you have in mind?

As for Theanine, there will likely be formulas coming from us that do have it in there and some that don't. As much as it isn't liked by some on here, it is one of the most well-researched nootropics available and also sales wise, one of the most popular with many of the nootropic sites.

Cool. I am sitting at a kava bar right now drinking some kava and a kratom tea. Very relaxing.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

What happened to noopept?

 

[Ape McGrapes]

What happened to noopept?

Not compliant with DSHE so SS won't produce it anymore.

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Thank you. I'm glad you're excited for it. Always feel free to let me know anything else that you'd like to see from us as well.

Keep an eye out for an unrelated PM. I do howver, have some questions about the new Kava product, but I'll run em by you before I post anything.however,

EDIT: Still waiting on a caffeine free Thermagize XT. Something I can stack with Focus XT.

 

[sns8778]

Have you looked into baicalein before? I’ve enjoyed it recently for its anxiolytic effects.

I have but not for nootropic purposes. I had actually looked into it for helping with eye pressure as related to glaucoma and some eyedrop medications because I have some issues with my eyelids that require me to be on some drops from time to time.

I'll be glad to look into this more. Have you tried it?

 

[sns8778]

What happened to noopept?

Weird situation on that one. A lot of companies stopped making it thinking the FDA may take action on it, then some started back again.

 

[sns8778]

Keep an eye out for an unrelated PM. I do howver, have some questions about the new Kava product, but I'll run em by you before I post anything.however,

EDIT: Still waiting on a caffeine free Thermagize XT. Something I can stack with Focus XT.

I haven't gotten a pm from you; I'll be on the lookout but may not be on a lot this weekend.

The thing about caffeine free stimulant based products is that most of the market wants caffeine in them. I agree that I do like the idea of a stim product without caffeine so I can drink whatever I want a long with it. But most people at that point just buy a total stim free. So its kind of a matter of what I (and you) would like versus what would probably actually sell haha

 

[mavup]

I have but not for nootropic purposes. I had actually looked into it for helping with eye pressure as related to glaucoma and some eyedrop medications because I have some issues with my eyelids that require me to be on some drops from time to time.

I'll be glad to look into this more. Have you tried it?

Interesting, it does seem to have widespread effects, but I hadn’t seen anything about it for eye health.

I got 10g of powder that I’ve been using for the last week or two and it’s made its way to the top tier of anxiolytics compounds for me - and I’ve tried it all. It’s a bit pricey, but worth it.

it’s a GABA-A PAM at the benzodiazepine site (as well as non-benzodiazepine sites, potentially), and also may have some interactions with TrkB/BDNF pathway. It displays selectivity for the a2 and a3 containing subtypes of the GABA-A receptor, and the a2 subunits are particularly important for anxiety (also found primarily in the hippocampus and forebrain). α3 subunits are also associated with anxiolytics effects without sedation.

it has high permeability but low solubility, so bioavailability is only around 13-23% I believe. In one human study it was dosed at 200, 400, 600, and 800mg and 600mg seemed to be the best and 800mg actually dropped off quite a bit. You can feel it at 250mg, but closer to 500 is a lot better. I haven’t tried 600 but will based on that study.

it goes well with a lot of other compounds, too.

from my experience so far it’s a neat compound and is effective for what I am looking for despite the lower bioavailability.

 

[sns8778]

Interesting, it does seem to have widespread effects, but I hadn’t seen anything about it for eye health.

I got 10g of powder that I’ve been using for the last week or two and it’s made its way to the top tier of anxiolytics compounds for me - and I’ve tried it all. It’s a bit pricey, but worth it.

it’s a GABA-A PAM at the benzodiazepine site (as well as non-benzodiazepine sites, potentially), and also may have some interactions with TrkB/BDNF pathway. It displays selectivity for the a2 and a3 containing subtypes of the GABA-A receptor, and the a2 subunits are particularly important for anxiety (also found primarily in the hippocampus and forebrain). α3 subunits are also associated with anxiolytics effects without sedation.

it has high permeability but low solubility, so bioavailability is only around 13-23% I believe. In one human study it was dosed at 200, 400, 600, and 800mg and 600mg seemed to be the best and 800mg actually dropped off quite a bit. You can feel it at 250mg, but closer to 500 is a lot better. I haven’t tried 600 but will based on that study.

it goes well with a lot of other compounds, too.

from my experience so far it’s a neat compound and is effective for what I am looking for despite the lower bioavailability.

Thank you for the details and insight. It does have very good potential benefits for people with glaucoma and other eye pressure related issues.

I'm seeing it most commonly at 250 mg. capsules; which is interesting being that you said the studied dosages were 200, 400, 600, etc. as I would have expected to see it moreso at a 200 mg. or 300 mg. dose.

Since you're interested in this, if you don't mind me asking a favor, when/if you have time, could you pm or email me some links to studied dosages if you come across them. I'd be curious to see if the studied dosages on the glaucoma benefits were the same as the anti anxiety ones. We could then take that information and figure out our dosage.

I'm just swamped right now, but if you have the time and don't mind helping with that, I'd be glad to try to source the raw materials and as long as it makes sense price wise, we could give it a try as a small run and see if people are interested and I'll be glad to send you a free bottle for helping

 

[mavup]

Thank you for the details and insight. It does have very good potential benefits for people with glaucoma and other eye pressure related issues.

I'm seeing it most commonly at 250 mg. capsules; which is interesting being that you said the studied dosages were 200, 400, 600, etc. as I would have expected to see it moreso at a 200 mg. or 300 mg. dose.

Since you're interested in this, if you don't mind me asking a favor, when/if you have time, could you pm or email me some links to studied dosages if you come across them. I'd be curious to see if the studied dosages on the glaucoma benefits were the same as the anti anxiety ones. We could then take that information and figure out our dosage.

I'm just swamped right now, but if you have the time and don't mind helping with that, I'd be glad to try to source the raw materials and as long as it makes sense price wise, we could give it a try as a small run and see if people are interested and I'll be glad to send you a free bottle for helping

That’s very generous, I would be happy to PM you when I get home and can access them from my computer!

I will say I wasn’t clear on the studied doses of between 200-800mg; that was a pharmacokinetic study in humans, I don’t believe it looked at efficacy. I may have been extrapolating based on my own experiences and other research. There was a less than dose dependent increase in Cmax, which was highest in the 600mg group, and my personal experience was in line with how I perceived the effects at 200 vs. 500mg. Anyway, I’ll still send you the links I have saved for baicalein in human subjects, though I think they are all pharmacokinetic studies. I’m not sure there are efficacy studies for anxiety/stress in human subjects but I could be wrong.

I absolutely feel an effect at 250mg and I’ve read other reports of people saying similar things, I just may have to take more to get the level of effect I want. I’m sure you’ll see in the research but the PK seem to be heavily dependent on intestinal UGT; in rats baicalein isn’t even detectable 20 minutes after administration. I think it is the same in beagles, too, but seems to change in monkeys and from what I can see, in humans.

I think 250mg is a reasonable dose in a capsule or tablet to give flexibility. The product I am using recommends 250mg 2-3x per day. That seems to be the norm for baicalein, as well as the anecdotally less potent baicalin. Anyway, you’re the expert there so I’m curious to see what you decide on if you go that route

 

[sns8778]

That’s very generous, I would be happy to PM you when I get home and can access them from my computer!

I will say I wasn’t clear on the studied doses of between 200-800mg; that was a pharmacokinetic study in humans, I don’t believe it looked at efficacy. I may have been extrapolating based on my own experiences and other research. There was a less than dose dependent increase in Cmax, which was highest in the 600mg group, and my personal experience was in line with how I perceived the effects at 200 vs. 500mg. Anyway, I’ll still send you the links I have saved for baicalein in human subjects, though I think they are all pharmacokinetic studies. I’m not sure there are efficacy studies for anxiety/stress in human subjects but I could be wrong.

I absolutely feel an effect at 250mg and I’ve read other reports of people saying similar things, I just may have to take more to get the level of effect I want. I’m sure you’ll see in the research but the PK seem to be heavily dependent on intestinal UGT; in rats baicalein isn’t even detectable 20 minutes after administration. I think it is the same in beagles, too, but seems to change in monkeys and from what I can see, in humans.

I think 250mg is a reasonable dose in a capsule or tablet to give flexibility. The product I am using recommends 250mg 2-3x per day. That seems to be the norm for baicalein, as well as the anecdotally less potent baicalin. Anyway, you’re the expert there so I’m curious to see what you decide on if you go that route

Thank you, I really appreciate it.

I think sometimes with things like this in regards to the animal studies, there's no way to know how well it translates over to people except for just honest real world feedback.

I also need to look into the difference between Baicalein and Baicalin and see the difference in results and feedback, pricing, and raw material availability. I'm surprised not to see Baicalein available from any sources that I really trust so I need to look into if there is an issue on the raw material side of things that could be a reason why for that.

 

[JKVol]

Erias Jarensis
Dynamine
Rhodiola

Zynamite is a relatively newer caffeine alternative/additive on the market.

I like my stims to make me feel good if that is any help. lol

I’m with you. I’m interested in a energy, feel good, motivation type product thats not a vasoconstrictor. I take a little bit of Kratom every day but I’d rather do that than load up on stims.

 

[rascal14]

I'm definitely interested in the kava product, I've tried some traditional and micronized kava and the effects were strange - I know reverse tolerance, but I had to drink so much to get even a bit of any feeling, then I just felt full, bloated, head spinning, etc.

 

[Stachio]

@sns8778 Any updates on the Sabroxy or kava products?

 

[JKVol]

I'm definitely interested in the kava product, I've tried some traditional and micronized kava and the effects were strange - I know reverse tolerance, but I had to drink so much to get even a bit of any feeling, then I just felt full, bloated, head spinning, etc.

I went though a who bottle. Tried several different intake options and never got anything out of it except heavy sedation

 

[sns8778]

@sns8778 Any updates on the Sabroxy or kava products?

I've mentioned a few times that I'm not going to give concrete ETA's on anything right now. The products are in the production lineup with a lot of other new product releases but bringing out new products has to also be balanced with keeping existing products in stock. If just guessing, I'd say you'll see both by the end of January with Sabroxy being first, maybe by the end of the year.

 

[JKVol]

@sns8778 Any updates on the Sabroxy or kava products?

What’s Sabroxy?

 

[sns8778]

What’s Sabroxy?

It's a nootropic ingredient. I'm doing a very detailed write up on it but don't have it completed yet. So in the meantime, here is just the things that made the highlights/supports list:

• Improved Focus
• Motivation
• Mental Energy (Cognitive Energy)
• Improved Cognitive Function
• Skin Health
• Respiratory Health
• Immune Support
• Neurogenesis (new neuron formation)
• Nootropic, Longevity, and Anti-Aging Benefits

There aren't many Sabroxy products available at the moment and the one's that I've seen (no disrespect intended) I feel are very underdosed.


Btw.... your post count just hit 666 - reply or post something haha

 

[JKVol]

It's a nootropic ingredient. I'm doing a very detailed write up on it but don't have it completed yet. So in the meantime, here is just the things that made the highlights/supports list:

• Improved Focus
• Motivation
• Mental Energy (Cognitive Energy)
• Improved Cognitive Function
• Skin Health
• Respiratory Health
• Immune Support
• Neurogenesis (new neuron formation)
• Nootropic, Longevity, and Anti-Aging Benefits

There aren't many Sabroxy products available at the moment and the one's that I've seen (no disrespect intended) I feel are very underdosed.


Btw.... your post count just hit 666 - reply or post something haha

Oh goodness… that last part, yikes. Glad you seen that.

 

[sns8778]

Oh goodness… that last part, yikes. Glad you seen that.

Ha. Mission accomplished. You are now at post # 667. (was looking for a wiping sweat from forehead emoji but couldn't find one haha).

 

[Beau]

FWIW - I recently stated taking uridine, and I try to take it along with fish oil and choline.

So far, I am impressed.

 

[sns8778]

FWIW - I recently stated taking uridine, and I try to take it along with fish oil and choline.

So far, I am impressed.

What dosage are you using and what are you seeing out of it?

 

[Beau]

What dosage are you using and what are you seeing out of it?

Here is what I have started with/am currently using:

250 Mg Uridine Monophosphate
3 Gr Fish Oil
150 Mg Alpha-GPC
125 Mg Citicholine
125 Mg DMAE L-Bitatrate
100 Mg Phosphatidylserine
25 Mg Phosphatidylcholine
2.5 Mg Phosphatidylethanolamine
1.5 Mg Phosphatidylinositol

Generally, I seem to be "brighter" mentally and my sleep seems better. I've not taken it long enough to be sure this isn't placebo effect, but I don't think it is.

Your thoughts on the combination?

 

[mavup]

Have you ever considered a D-serine product?

 

[sns8778]

Have you ever considered a D-serine product?

I had thought about it but the times I mentioned it no one seemed interested and they don't seem to sell well.

If enough people are interested, I'd be glad to.

 

[sns8778]

Here is what I have started with/am currently using:

250 Mg Uridine Monophosphate
3 Gr Fish Oil
150 Mg Alpha-GPC
125 Mg Citicholine
125 Mg DMAE L-Bitatrate
100 Mg Phosphatidylserine
25 Mg Phosphatidylcholine
2.5 Mg Phosphatidylethanolamine
1.5 Mg Phosphatidylinositol

Generally, I seem to be "brighter" mentally and my sleep seems better. I've not taken it long enough to be sure this isn't placebo effect, but I don't think it is.

Your thoughts on the combination?

You are at or close to the ratio of Alpha GPC to Citicoline that I like and that I'm considering using in an upcoming product.

I prefer higher on DMAE - 200 to 400 mg. per day. I normally get at least 200 mg. bc I usually drink at least 1 serving of Focus XT daily and that's what it has in there.

I think Phosphatidylserine is one of those ingredients that seems to work great for a lot of people but not for me. That's not to knock the ingredient at all - I realize its a me thing on this one and it just doesn't seem to do much for me.

 

[Beau]

You are at or close to the ratio of Alpha GPC to Citicoline that I like and that I'm considering using in an upcoming product.

I prefer higher on DMAE - 200 to 400 mg. per day. I normally get at least 200 mg. bc I usually drink at least 1 serving of Focus XT daily and that's what it has in there.

I think Phosphatidylserine is one of those ingredients that seems to work great for a lot of people but not for me. That's not to knock the ingredient at all - I realize its a me thing on this one and it just doesn't seem to do much for me.

I have some additional DMAE powder. I may try to bump it up based on your thoughts (which I very much appreciate).

 

[sns8778]

I have some additional DMAE powder. I may try to bump it up based on your thoughts (which I very much appreciate).

I think you'd be pleased with it. I think its a very underrated nootropic when used daily. It's not one of the ones that make the huge dramatic difference in one dose but I think it really has a nice subtle consistent effect when used regularly.

And no problem at all. I'm glad to help any way that I can.

 

[JKVol]

This is such a great thread, very informative

 

[sns8778]

This is such a great thread, very informative

I really enjoy the subject of natural nootropics.

A lot of times people get so caught up in the illegal nootropics that they forget or overlook that a lot of great natural options exist. And in a lot of cases, even the stronger illegal ones don't work nearly as well if you don't have your foundation bases covered. A great example of that is that Focus XT is basically the perfect nootropic base for almost any of the racetams.

 

[rascal14]

I went though a who bottle. Tried several different intake options and never got anything out of it except heavy sedation

A good sedation like relaxed or just time for bed?

 

[rascal14]

Not necessarily nootropic, but maybe, I know people love CBD but I never got anything from it personally, even from hemp flower.

I was looking into delta 8, but have bad reactions to delta 9 and concluded the effects were too similar for me to want to try it at this point.

I have seen some on CBG.. does anyone have thoughts or experience on this? Maybe a full spectrum CBD/CBG supplement would be an option?

 

[JKVol]

A good sedation like relaxed or just time for bed?

“I cannot keep my eyes open” sedation

 

[sns8778]

Not necessarily nootropic, but maybe, I know people love CBD but I never got anything from it personally, even from hemp flower.

I was looking into delta 8, but have bad reactions to delta 9 and concluded the effects were too similar for me to want to try it at this point.

I have seen some on CBG.. does anyone have thoughts or experience on this? Maybe a full spectrum CBD/CBG supplement would be an option?

If we do anything with CBD, it would likely be a completely separate line devoted just to CBD. I've thought about it, but the market is so saturated.

 

[rascal14]

If we do anything with CBD, it would likely be a completely separate line devoted just to CBD. I've thought about it, but the market is so saturated.

That is true, incredibly saturated.

 

[sns8778]

That is true, incredibly saturated.

I have some really cool ideas for CBD formulas if we were to do that. That's one thing I noticed is that a lot of the CBD formulas on the market are really not very well done - basically just like okay, here's CBD with a couple other ingredients thrown in, like they're relying completely on the CBD to do all the work.