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who uses pro hormones

who doesnt is the real question
 
anony002200 said:
i guess if thats whats you call a pro hormones.... im gonna wait on taking them when i get a weight training set for my home gym right now im focused on losing weight
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Well, those actually Are PHs.
A lot of guys call some steroids PHs (like Halodrol, Epistane, SD, etc), but they're not.
I was looking for what You call PHs.
.... That's what matters in this case.
 
anony002200 said:
i guess if thats whats you call a pro hormones.... im gonna wait on taking them when i get a weight training set for my home gym right now im focused on losing weight
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If you don’t train, why would you use anything? This is very confusing. I think diet should be what you’re looking into
 
wfreiling said:
If you don’t train, why would you use anything? This is very confusing. I think diet should be what you’re looking into
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Oh wow ...OP .... If you aren't training now, you've got a lot of work to do before you ever worry about Hormonal compounds.
 
I don't think most people know the difference between prohormones and designer steroids. Or that most steroids are also prohormones.

Or that tren is technically closer to a sarm then it is a steroid.... Not making that up either.
 
Smont said:
I don't think most people know the difference between prohormones and designer steroids. Or that most steroids are also prohormones.

Or that tren is technically closer to a sarm then it is a steroid.... Not making that up either.
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A lot of guys think that "PHs" are steroid-like compounds that you could buy over the counter at one time. :)
 
anony002200 said:
i guess if thats whats you call a pro hormones.... im gonna wait on taking them when i get a weight training set for my home gym right now im focused on losing weight
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Are you new to lifting?

I’m all for the home weights,…but if you can join a gym and get the hang of lifting first, that would be helpful, I think. The atmosphere can be motivating and you will most likely meet experienced people that help you with form etc.

(Stay far away from anything hormonal until you lose weight and have some serious training under your belt, if you don’t already)
 
Renew1 said:
A lot of guys think that "PHs" are steroid-like compounds that you could buy over the counter at one time. :)
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Real question, what are PHs, i mean even dhea is classed as a steroid hormone right? Wouldn't a ph be things like cholesterol that your body uses to make hormones because evrything else down the line is an actual hormone even if it then becomes another hormone. I think a 100 people could have 100 different opinions on the old ph/ds debate, i dunno 🤷‍♂️
 
Renew1 said:
A lot of guys think that "PHs" are steroid-like compounds that you could buy over the counter at one time. :)
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Carnivorecon said:
Real question, what are PHs, i mean even dhea is classed as a steroid hormone right? Wouldn't a ph be things like cholesterol that your body uses to make hormones because evrything else down the line is an actual hormone even if it then becomes another hormone. I think a 100 people could have 100 different opinions on the old ph/ds debate, i dunno 🤷‍♂️
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Anything that converts into another hormone is technically a prohormone. So basically everything lol

Even testosterone is a prohormone to E2 and DHT
 
Smont said:
Anything that converts into another hormone is technically a prohormone. So basically everything lol

Even testosterone is a prohormone to E2 and DHT
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Wow, that's awesome!

Okay, now we'll all call everything PHs, per Smont.

Except Tren... That's now a SARM.

Thanks for straightening that out, Smont.
 
Renew1 said:
Wow, that's awesome!

Okay, now we'll all call everything PHs, per Smont.

Except Tren... That's now a SARM.

Thanks for straightening that out, Smont.
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I know they're not really these things, as per definition they fit into the definition of those things. If that make sense
 
Smont said:
I know they're not really these things, as per definition they fit into the definition of those things. If that make sense
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LOL..
I know that you don't think they are, man.
 
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By definition a prohormone is any substance that acts as a precursor to another hormone. So anything that can convert into another hormone technically fits the description.

Tren can't 5a reduce is supposed to be non aromatizable which makes it more like a sarm because of its selectively.

I'm strictly just going off of definitions
 
Smont said:
By definition a prohormone is any substance that acts as a precursor to another hormone. So anything that can convert into another hormone technically fits the description.

Tren can't 5a reduce is supposed to be non aromatizable which makes it more like a sarm because of its selectively.

I'm strictly just going off of definitions
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Yeah, I know.
Tren though, is still strictly a Steroid.
Whereas almost all of the compounds we talk about on here technically COULD be called PHs ... But shouldn't, if we want to be able to use these words effectively in our conversations.

As it stands now (sigh... sadly), a huge chunk of guys still want to call a bunch of Steroids PHs, because that's what companies called them, so they could stock them on store shelves...
 
Renew1 said:
Yeah, I know.
Tren though, is still strictly a Steroid.
Whereas almost all of the compounds we talk about on here technically COULD be called PHs ... But shouldn't, if we want to be able to use these words effectively in our conversations.

As it stands now (sigh... sadly), a huge chunk of guys still want to call a bunch of Steroids PHs, because that's what companies called them, so they could stock them on store shelves...
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If you put everything I said aside I have a pretty firm list in my head of what I consider a prohormone, a sarm, a designer steroid and a traditional steroid. I'd be willing to bet they're all the same things you would lump into each category for the most part
 
Smont said:
If you put everything I said aside I have a pretty firm list in my head of what I consider a prohormone, a sarm, a designer steroid and a traditional steroid. I'd be willing to bet they're all the same things you would lump into each category for the most part
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I think you're probably right.
 
Renew1 said:
As it stands now (sigh... sadly), a huge chunk of guys still want to call a bunch of Steroids PHs, because that's what companies called them, so they could stock them on store shelves...
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That last part really fuckd ppl up. There was and still is ppl using some of the strongest orals ever made (SD stands out the most obviously) but because people were buying these things over the counter and they were legal they completely convinced themselves they're not steroids, they're supplements. And because they're over the counter and over the counter PCT will suffice. I can still remember guys saying they're natural while they were taking superdrol.
 
I think I remember Derek saying Nolvadex acts like a ph. You never know how much it will convert per individual
 
Hell from research companies alone you could still get completely huge or ripped and genuinely compete at an extremely high level in any strength sport without ever leaving the grey market:

Trest Ace & dec, Dien Ace, desoxyt ace

injectable YK, RAD, LGD, S23

Msten, DMZ, Ddrol

Mk677, CJC w DAC, Hex, Ipam, HGH Frag, IGF1, HGH in some places, Carnitine, SR, GW

Clen, SERMs, AIs, Thyroid

You can buy your diabetic supplies & ephedrine at any Walmart otc in many states.

Assuming someone was willing to cruise on Trest dec and didn’t really care about their health, you could do this at an extremely high level in the US, exclusively with legally acquired stuff.
 
Hyde said:
Hell from research companies alone you could still get completely huge or ripped and genuinely compete at an extremely high level in any strength sport without ever leaving the grey market:

Trest Ace & dec, Dien Ace, desoxyt ace

injectable YK, RAD, LGD, S23

Msten, DMZ, Ddrol

Mk677, CJC w DAC, Hex, Ipam, HGH Frag, IGF1, HGH in some places, Carnitine, SR, GW

Clen, SERMs, AIs, Thyroid

You can buy your diabetic supplies & ephedrine at any Walmart otc in many states.

Assuming someone was willing to cruise on Trest dec and didn’t really care about their health, you could do this at an extremely high level in the US, exclusively with legally acquired stuff.
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Ive thought about this several times, trying a cycle completely grey market.

Trest ace and desoxy T ace
Injectable yk11
Mk677, cjc dac and igf-lr3
Raloxefine and a AI.

I had that planned at one point but I just always was worried about stepping that far into the unknown lol
 
I'd definitely have to have the money for gyno surgery set aside before combining trest and all the gh/igf stuff. Seems like a perfect storm to grow tits
 
Smont said:
Ive thought about this several times, trying a cycle completely grey market.

Trest ace and desoxy T ace
Injectable yk11
Mk677, cjc dac and igf-lr3
Raloxefine and a AI.

I had that planned at one point but I just always was worried about stepping that far into the unknown lol
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NOT RECOMMENDING

Lol just observations. There is still a LOT of firepower available for someone who has some kind of aversion to risk with the law greater than the risk to their health.

And finding middle ground here between health and legality; run a bunch of 19-DHEA, pull bloods after you stop while having low test and contact an HRT clinic that does telemedicine and known for aggressive dosage administration and pony up the cash for script test, Deca, HGH, Var, winny here on out. Not cost effective, but you are safe legally.

Get someone wild handing out scripts for 400 test, 200 deca, 50mg Var here and there, and save it up while cruising on less test and no deca or orals. Stack with RCs to fill out blasts for both growth and cutting.

All of this being hypothetical of course.
 
Hyde said:
NOT RECOMMENDING

Lol just observations. There is still a LOT of firepower available for someone who has some kind of aversion to risk with the law greater than the risk to their health.

And finding middle ground here between health and legality; run a bunch of 19-DHEA, pull bloods after you stop while having low test and contact an HRT clinic that does telemedicine and known for aggressive dosage administration and pony up the cash for script test, Deca, HGH, Var, winny here on out. Not cost effective, but you are safe legally.

Get someone wild handing out scripts for 400 test, 200 deca, 50mg Var here and there, and save it up while cruising on less test and no deca or orals. Stack with RCs to fill out blasts for both growth and cutting.

All of this being hypothetical of course.
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Trust me, that cycle is on the very bottom of my list of things to do LOL. The amount of raloxefine and letrozoleI I would need to use would probably cost more than the cycle itself. And I'm not a fan of using more drugs to handle the side effects of other drugs
 
Haven’t tried PH in a while. Did a couple cycles and then Everyone ran out a few years back. Just now getting back into it and trying to find something comparable to what I was cycling from Olympus UK. Super-1, super-4, super-19, super-epi
 
CROW 4D said:
Haven’t tried PH in a while. Did a couple cycles and then Everyone ran out a few years back. Just now getting back into it and trying to find something comparable to what I was cycling from Olympus UK. Super-1, super-4, super-19, super-epi
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All of those things are still on the market and never have left... You can find one Andro, 4 Andro and epi Andro everywhere. Just make sure you pick a brand that's dosed properly
 
Hyde said:
NOT RECOMMENDING

Lol just observations. There is still a LOT of firepower available for someone who has some kind of aversion to risk with the law greater than the risk to their health.

And finding middle ground here between health and legality; run a bunch of 19-DHEA, pull bloods after you stop while having low test and contact an HRT clinic that does telemedicine and known for aggressive dosage administration and pony up the cash for script test, Deca, HGH, Var, winny here on out. Not cost effective, but you are safe legally.

Get someone wild handing out scripts for 400 test, 200 deca, 50mg Var here and there, and save it up while cruising on less test and no deca or orals. Stack with RCs to fill out blasts for both growth and cutting.

All of this being hypothetical of course.
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Interesting .

I never heard many people giving positive reviews about 19-DHEA although its quite available. How did you find it?
 
CROW 4D said:
Haven’t tried PH in a while. Did a couple cycles and then Everyone ran out a few years back. Just now getting back into it and trying to find something comparable to what I was cycling from Olympus UK. Super-1, super-4, super-19, super-epi
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Dude it’s not that hard
 
jim2509 said:
Interesting .

I never heard many people giving positive reviews about 19-DHEA although its quite available. How did you find it?
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I think he's just talking about using a legal 19 nor to crush your testosterone. I don't think he's talking about using it for gains.
 
I could be wrong but I don't remember anyone having a ton of success with that stuff. 1,4 and epi seem to be the only ones that stuck around that were mildly effective
 
Smont said:
I think he's just talking about using a legal 19 nor to crush your testosterone. I don't think he's talking about using it for gains.
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Ah I see thanks for clearing that up...yes in that respect i see what he's getting at.
 
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