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Redcon1 pulls out of the Arnold cause he's a commie!!

THOR 70 said:
Well, to play devils advocate, humanity has used social circles and anecdotes to discover therapeutics since the beginning of time. Are we now to addicted to worshiping science that we don’t listen to our fellow man? Or only what the billion dollar corporations tell us is best for us? Its common knowledge that studies can have major conflicts of interest. The data on Ivermectin(meta analysis!) and Hydroxychloroquine are very good...yet they have been suppressed for sure.

There is truth and false info on both sides in my opinion. But yeah follow the $$$
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The Ivermectin meta analysis was retracted by the publisher over concerns of plagiarism and serious problems with their raw data.
 
Nac said:
Sure, science is fallible or imperfect in the sense that it is, after all, conducted by humans that are, well, human, all too human.

As a method for understanding the empirical world, it's the best method humans have evolved. And I'd agree with any claim that it has its roots in the oral tradition, shamanism, Oracles, witch doctors, etc. But this is one fundamental area where science divurged from religion: knowledge now wasn't the sole domain of one special member of the tribe/community, who was the authoritarian that couldn't be questioned. Science can be done by anyone. The key is that it is empirical, and/or can be measured or quantified...and that anyone else has the opportunity to propose alternative hypotheses.

That certain paradigms are seen as sacrosanct and non negotiable is an artifact of the humans who practice science, as Kuhn mightve said. Science itself, as an endeavor, is not the weakness.
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Well your reply is a bit in extremes. I don’t think all medicinal traditions were always held by one sole person in the tribe.

Even from a young age I’ve been so confused how science is spoken about or accepted as fact, when many portions are rooted theory. (I’ve seen a few scientists say that how we are acting towards the CV is the epitome of the bastardization of science). The psychology of this is I think is rooted in human pride and fear. They have a great fear of death and want to feel they have everything understood or under control. Anyway I’ll
 
THOR 70 said:
Well, to play devils advocate, humanity has used social circles and anecdotes to discover therapeutics since the beginning of time. Are we now to addicted to worshiping science that we don’t listen to our fellow man? Or only what the billion dollar corporations tell us is best for us? Its common knowledge that studies can have major conflicts of interest. The data on Ivermectin(meta analysis!) and Hydroxychloroquine are very good...yet they have been suppressed for sure.

There is truth and false info on both sides in my opinion. But yeah follow the $$$
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I do think the conflict of interest in studies is overblown, especially on topics that have a very broad audience or widespread interest.

Most researchers do not gain financially from publishing papers - in many cases they or their sponsors (Universities etc.) actually need to pay the journals to have them published. In fact, authors of papers are generally happy to send you their research free of charge if you just email them!

Then of course they are objectively peer-reviewed and their methods and results are carefully scrutinised. It isn't an infallible system, and skeptical/ sketchy papers are certainly still published, but when you have researchers from all over the world, independent of each other, publishing papers that produce the same outcomes, then you start to paint a pretty good picture of what is actually going on.

It also matters where the paper is published, as not all journals are created equal and looking at their impact scores is an important part of research.

A lot of researchers are lab rats at Universities who are not paid by large companies to publish favourable data. The ethics of most papers are tightly controlled, and any good paper will acknowledge if any conflicts of interest exist.

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THOR 70 said:
Well, to play devils advocate, humanity has used social circles and anecdotes to discover therapeutics since the beginning of time. Are we now to addicted to worshiping science that we don’t listen to our fellow man?
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This is sort of an interesting point and I often play the Devils advocate myself... I think I end up looking like more of a radical leftist here than I actually am because of that... but I digress... I'm going to see what I can come up with on this point. For example I know quite a bit of research is based on Ayurveda which you might call Indian folk medicine.

In the meantime, be extremely careful how you dose any Ivermectin anyone's taking, you can literally end up shitting yourself to death if you OD. 😮
 
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Arnie's always been very scared of becoming irrelevant, so he jumps on in to the Globalist Agenda, the hot topics to keep himself in the limelight. Most don't know Arnolds real past, coming here broke, posing for rich-gay men for money (and other things behind closed doors). He'd sell his own mother for a move-role and a spot on Mike Douglas (in those days).
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Read Tom Minichileo's book (Bodybuilders, Drugs and Sex) if you want a glimpse into the real Arnold...
 
Power-Lift said:
Arnie's always been very scared of becoming irrelevant, so he jumps on in to the Globalist Agenda, the hot topics to keep himself in the limelight. Most don't know Arnolds real past, coming here broke, posing for rich-gay men for money (and other things behind closed doors). He'd sell his own mother for a move-role and a spot on Mike Douglas (in those days).
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Read Tom Minichileo's book (Bodybuilders, Drugs and Sex) if you want a glimpse into the real Arnold...
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Or..sell is soul to the devil. Which is what he did. He's part of the "Club"
 
nostrum420 said:
This is sort of an interesting point and I often play the Devils advocate myself... I think I end up looking like more of a radical leftist here than I actually am because of that... but I digress... I'm going to see what I can come up with on this point. For example I know quite a bit of research is based on Ayurveda which you might call Indian folk medicine.

In the meantime, be extremely careful how you dose any Ivermectin anyone's taking, you can literally end up shitting yourself to death if you OD.
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I’ve heard that the doctors that were reporting some success with that drug said that for some reason they have zero success with the delta variant. No known reason.

Fun fact when George Washington was dying they kept pulling blood from him because back then they thought that taking blood from sick people could help rid them of what was killing them.
 
rob112 said:
I’ve heard that the doctors that were reporting some success with that drug said that for some reason they have zero success with the delta variant. No known reason.

Fun fact when George Washington was dying they kept pulling blood from him because back then they thought that taking blood from sick people could help rid them of what was killing them.
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George Washington also mandated smallpox inoculations.
 
rob112 said:
I’m aware. I think them draining his blood on the day of his death to “help” him was little more unknown but I could be wrong.
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I thought blood lettings were pretty well known but I will admit I did not know about the specific incidence of it you mentioned.
 
nostrum420 said:
I thought blood lettings were pretty well known but I will admit I did not know about the specific incidence of it you mentioned.
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Yea like I said I could be wrong. I
Didn’t know it was a common practice. I’m like obsessed with learning world history and when I learned about that I was like WTF. I think they did 3 bouts of it before his death.

But I guess since placebo works sometimes they kept it going? Haha
 
rob112 said:
Yea like I said I could be wrong. I
Didn’t know it was a common practice. I’m like obsessed with learning world history and when I learned about that I was like WTF. I think they did 3 bouts of it before his death.

But I guess since placebo works sometimes they kept it going? Haha
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In some cases a small amount of "blood letting" can have benefits. It's sometimes still prescribed.

There are currently three major indications for therapeutic phlebotomy: hemochromatosis, polycythemia vera, and porphyria cutanea tarda. Other indications include sickle cell disease and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) with hyperferritinemia."

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