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[thebigt]

How is one teachers actions news worthy? All Faux News is doing is trying to rile people up. It's literally not news worthy.

If anything is, it's the nationalist and brainwash act of Pledging allegiance to a piece of fabric.

why is it of concern to you what happens in a American classroom?


lets talk about the covid outbreak in NZ....82 new cases takes the total infected to 415 despite being on day 11 of a harsh lockdown designed to curb the spread of the virus.

 

[thebigt]

'students back away from biden amid afghanistan crisis' call it a disaster.

students appear disillusioned with biden administration

he's failed: students disown joe biden after endless: 'disaster'

 

[Jiigzz]

why is it of concern to you what happens in a American classroom?


lets talk about the covid outbreak in NZ....82 new cases takes the total infected to 415 despite being on day 11 of a harsh lockdown designed to curb the spread of the virus.

It has curbed the spread of it. Modeling would show not locking down would produce more.

Not like facts matter to you anymore.

 

[thebigt]

students appeared united in concerns over inflation and were frustrated with higher gas prices.

 

[thebigt]

It has curbed the spread of it. Modeling would show not locking down would produce more.

Not like facts matter to you anymore.

speaking of facts....
surprised you didn't mention this latest outbreak in YOUR country---NOT!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

speaking of facts....
surprised you didn't mention this latest outbreak in YOUR country---NOT!!!

You sure owned me there lol.

It's all good though, we have enough Ivermectin for the entire population here. We'll all be saved.

 

[thebigt]

You sure owned me there lol.

It's all good though, we have enough Ivermectin for the entire population here. We'll all be saved.

the entire population or just the whites?

the racism in YOUR country doesn't get talked about much-eh?

 

[thebigt]

grieving parents of fallen American heroes outraged over afghanistan crisis


blame biden for 'turning his back on their sons'

 

[Jiigzz]

the entire population or just the whites?

the racism in YOUR country doesn't get talked about much-eh?

I'm finding it hard to keep up with all your topic switches lol.

 

[thebigt]

talk about some bullshyt--if you want to attend the US OPEN tennis tournament you will have to produce proof of vaccination---although the tournament isn't requiring the players to be vaccinated--only half of the players have been vaccinated--what a bunch of hypocrites!!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

that doesn't sound much like a answer?

You don't post here to actually learn something or take in other perspectives, you post here to circle jerk with everyone else.

 

[thebigt]

I'm finding it hard to keep up with all your topic switches lol.

if you could see the expression on my face you would know how much i care.

 

[thebigt]

You don't post here to actually learn something or take in other perspectives, you post here to circle jerk with everyone else.

no, not everyone....in all honesty i consider you the circle jerker.

going to put you back on the ignore list, don't know why i wasted my time with you...bye bye

 

[ax1]

when you say government i take it you mean MY government...because no one outside of NZ gives a flyingfuck what your government does...that is why you are here talking about what MY government does, because even if we wanted to talk about what your government does it isn't even relevant enough to be talked about on the world stage.

Actually I do care what @Jiigzz country's government does, just like I care what every country's government does. He and his country gets a say at the world stage anytime they wish. The world doesnt belong to America, the world belongs to the world no matter what size or powerful a country is.

Telling other people from other country's to shut up about our business can actually be interpreted as not representing American values and goes again promoting our 1st....and yes sure, the 1st only applies to American citizens but as an American Id rather my country people promote dialogue regardless what people think, and that includes promoting other people express in ways that do offend Americans.

 

[ax1]

no, not everyone....in all honesty i consider you the circle jerker.

going to put you back on the ignore list, don't know why i wasted my time with you...bye bye

Turning libtard again huh? Wouldnt suprise me, Conservatives invented American cancel culture on 9/11/2001.

 

[Jiigzz]

no, not everyone....in all honesty i consider you the circle jerker.

going to put you back on the ignore list, don't know why i wasted my time with you...bye bye

In this forum, I'm definitely not on the side with the majority opinion lol.

I like global politics, because it shapes our world and affects everyone, even if not directly.

People take interest in other countries history all the time regardless of where they live. It's how you develop an understanding of how the world works.

 

[thebigt]

Turning libtard again huh? Wouldnt suprise me, Conservatives invented American cancel culture on 9/11/2001.

it's too bad we don't live closer so you could have the opportunity to call me a libtard to my face eh, tough guy?

 

[ax1]

it's too bad we don't live closer so you could have the opportunity to call me a libtard to my face eh, tough guy?

If I lived closer Id treat you to Texas Roadhouse or wherever the fuq you want to eat and I think you would love me regardless if I called you a libtard or not.

 

[Jiigzz]

I find US culture interesting because everyone I've spoken to from there aligns themselves very strongly to a political identity. It becomes their personality and it is treated almost like sport.

Where I am, noone flies political flags on their cars or has signs on their lawn reflecting who they voted for. But I find it very interesting to understand what drives that hard-core political identity everyone seems to have.

It's also bizarre to me how many people get personally upset whenever anyone questions or opposes their prefered candidate or media of choice. It's not even directed at you, so why do you treat it like it is?

I read Stuff and the NZHerald, and if someone said oh you read the FAKENEWSHERALD I'd just be like OK. Lol.

 

[thebigt]

If I lived closer Id treat you to Texas Roadhouse or wherever the fuq you want to eat and I think you would love me regardless if I called you a libtard or not.

lol...you are good for a laugh, i will give you that!!!

 

[ax1]

In this forum, I'm definitely not on the side with the majority opinion lol.

I like global politics, because it shapes our world and affects everyone, even if not directly.

From an outsiders perspective, getting people to pledge allegiance to the flag is part of the indoctrination of getting people to join the military, as does the idea of class structure (how many of any countries elite are in the armed forces?).

If a country prides itself on its military power, it needs to ensure that the ranks stay full.

Is that a fact? Of course not. I'm just speculating. But even small things like that, if true, help create a much larger picture of why things happen the way they do.

Your not the only one in the minority, lol but you probably are so much more than I am as of recent times. I actually do wish there were more liberal (not sure if you really consider yourself that) minds in here these days to get their perspectives and debates in. Everyone and I mean everyone deserves to have a voice, I dont care where you come from.

I consider myself an all American, I do love my flag and always respect and solute it. However, I do know this government weaponizes the flag and their own version of "patriotism" to their advantage, and also some demonize it primarily for divisive purposes. There is loving the flag, and then there is extremism that is promoted with it, and the latter does bother me, does not equate to good patriotic values in my opinion.

Did you know the Military Industrial Complex spends billions of dollars every year trying to promote itself in our sporting events? Also, more than anywhere they specifically target poor communities and poor schools much more so than well to do communities. Basically, keeping people poor is of interest to the Military Industrial Complex and incentivizes bought out (via campaign contributions/lobby/corruption) politicians to keep the majority poor. This is actually more incentive to allow illegals to cross the border as typically you get more impoverished children that are easier to enlist as they grow up. Im not making a case for everyone that enlists, people sign up for different reasons including many well set people, no way not at all is this a knock on my military people, but Im just expressing the problems with the MIC and how poverty is good for them, and so for most countries.

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[ax1]

I find US culture interesting because everyone I've spoken to from there aligns themselves very strongly to a political identity. It becomes their personality and it is treated almost like sport.

Where I am, noone flies political flags on their cars or has signs on their lawn reflecting who they voted for. But I find it very interesting to understand what drives that hard-core political identity everyone seems to have.

It's also bizarre to me how many people get personally upset whenever anyone questions or opposes their prefered candidate or media of choice. It's not even directed at you, so why do you treat it like it is?

I read Stuff and the NZHerald, and if someone said oh you read the FAKENEWSHERALD I'd just be like OK. Lol.

I was just up in Canada and there were about 8 different parties all well promoted in their Federal Elections. I was like, wtf???? Canada is more democratic the US? Here of course if you don’t belong to the single party duopoly the entire system is set up to destroy you.

 

[thebigt]

Your not the only one in the minority, lol but you probably are so much more than I am as of recent times. I actually do wish there were more liberal (not sure if you really consider yourself that) minds in here these days to get their perspectives and debates in. Everyone and I mean everyone deserves to have a voice, I dont care where you come from.

I consider myself an all American, I do love my flag and always respect and solute it. However, I do know this government weaponizes the flag and their own version of "patriotism" to their advantage, and also some demonize it primarily for divisive purposes. There is loving the flag, and then there is extremism that is promoted with it, and the latter does bother me, does not equate to good patriotic values in my opinion.

Did you know the Military Industrial Complex spends billions of dollars every year trying to promote itself in our sporting events? Also, more than anywhere they specifically target poor communities and poor schools much more so than well to do communities. Basically, keeping people poor is of interest to the Military Industrial Complex and incentivizes bought out (via campaign contributions/lobby/corruption) politicians to keep the majority poor. This is actually more incentive to allow illegals to cross the border as typically you get more impoverished children that are easier to enlist as they grow up. Im not making a case for everyone that enlists, people sign up for different reasons including many well set people, no way not at all is this a knock on my military people, but Im just expressing the problems with the MIC and how poverty is good for them, and so for most countries.

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why do we need a foreigner like jiigzz to point out how bad America is when have Americans like you to do that for us.....c'mon don't stop now, point out some more reasons why America is a shythole---all of us guys who vowed to give our lives in defense of this country just love to hear you tell us this country is a piece of crap...you are crapping all over the graves of those brave marines who gave their lives for this country. if you hate this country so much then leave-you have family in china, right?

 

[thebigt]

I was just up in Canada and there were some 8-10 different parties all well promoted in their Federal Elections. I was like, wtf???? Canada is more democratic the US? Here of course if you don’t belong to the single party duopoly the entire system is set up to destroy you.

too bad you didn't stay there.

 

[ax1]

why do we need a foreigner like jiigzz to point out how bad America is when have Americans like you to do that for us.....c'mon don't stop now, point out some more reasons why America is a shythole---all of us guys who vowed to give our lives in defense of this country just love to hear you tell us this country is a piece of crap...you are crapping all over the graves of those brave marines who gave their lives for this country.

I support and encourage the 1st Amendment for the entire world that’s just me. To me the 1st Amendment is about allowing people to say what they want regardless if it offends people. I’m just at the viewpoint that we should lead by example as it better sets up to protect and preserve our rights.

Our brave marines who gave their lives to their country are greatly appreciated, part of this is to protect the natural original intention of the 1st, not some modern day conservative or liberal interpretation of it.

 

[thebigt]

going to bed...had enough of the anti-american talk for one day when there are Americans in harms way

 

[ax1]

too bad you didn't stay there.

No Texas Roadhouse = no stay.

 

[thebigt]

I support and encourage the 1st Amendment for the entire world that’s just me. To me the 1st Amendment is about allowing people to say what they want regardless if it offends people. I’m just at the viewpoint that we should lead by example as it better sets up to protect and preserve our rights.

Our brave marines who gave their lives to their country are greatly appreciated, part of this is to protect the natural original intention of the 1st, not some modern day interpretation of it.

dude you are full of it....most of the marines and vets i know would probably spit in your face after reading a few of your posts, and the rest would want to.

 

[thebigt]

ok, i'm done.

 

[Jiigzz]

why do we need a foreigner like jiigzz to point out how bad America is when have Americans like you to do that for us.....c'mon don't stop now, point out some more reasons why America is a shythole---all of us guys who vowed to give our lives in defense of this country just love to hear you tell us this country is a piece of crap...you are crapping all over the graves of those brave marines who gave their lives for this country. if you hate this country so much then leave-you have family in china, right?

It isn't unpatriotic to point out the flaws in things. You improve by working on your own flaws and learnimg, not by pretending they don't exist.

 

[ax1]

dude you are full of it....most of the marines and vets i know would probably spit in your face after reading a few of your posts, and the rest would want to.

Well, if they were to do that and result to physical bullying and violence, I would be ashamed of them and request they step down. I would like to believe those people in our services are in the extreme minority, and if they met me they would love me. And its not like I live in Brazil, I live in America....Ive met plenty of people in the services, police, vets, etc...and they respect me just fine, some even share many of the many "controversial" views I express on here. Most if not all respect my views on freedom, love and liberty. None had interest in resulting to violence and spitting on me. Do I express and unload all my political views on everyone when I meet them? Of course not, thats terrible skillful means. I will inject little droplets of truth at the right time though and I have been on this board for over a decade and this is one place not including my inner circles that I let it mostly all out.

They are public servants, they work for the US tax dollars, they work for me and I dont mean that in a derogatory way but rather a hell alot of respect for putting themselves in that position.

If they do not believe in protecting and preserving our Constitutional rights they should not be fighting for our Country. Thats what they take an oath for. Protecting our 1st and the rest of our Bill of Rights. I can believe and say whatever offends them.

They can have strong hardcore heated disagreements without resulting to bullying and violence. Spitting on people and having violent outbreaks just because they disagree with someone's opinion is not only not American, its also criminal. Thats authoritarian and not representative of their precious oath. My Founding Fathers of my country would take my side, the side that the 1st is an unalienable right and should be protected at all costs even if someone's opinion makes others butt hurt. Thats all what I need to know, and that's the right path moving forward in service to my country.

Being a Marine or any other public servant is fighting for everything that I and everybody else on here do and express on here. We dont live in China. And I will always protect and practice mine, being cause in doing so Im protecting theirs.

And thats protecting yours too

 

[ax1]

going to bed...had enough of the anti-american talk for one day when there are Americans in harms way

And I wonder who put them there in these utterly senseless immoral wars that our Founding Fathers warned us not to get entangled in? Was it war mongering big government big money corporate Republicrats or war mongering blood thirsty Demicans?

Um...both! duh, they are all mostly in the same freaking club...nice job ya’ll Demicans and Republicrats voting in people that made few people really rich, and pushed the rest of us in the land of Slavelandia further down the oppressed abyss.

 

[thebigt]

Well, if they were to do that and result to physical bullying and violence, I would be ashamed of them and request they step down. I would like to believe those people in our services are in the extreme minority, and if they met me they would love me. And its not like I live in Brazil, I live in America....Ive met plenty of people in the services, police, vets, etc...and they respect me just fine, some even share many of the many "controversial" views I express on here. Most if not all respect my views on freedom, love and liberty. None had interest in resulting to violence and spitting on me. Do I express and unload all my political views on everyone when I meet them? Of course not, thats terrible skillful means. I will inject little droplets of truth at the right time though and I have been on this board for over a decade and this is one place not including my inner circles that I let it mostly all out.

They are public servants, they work for the US tax dollars, they work for me and I dont mean that in a derogatory way but rather a hell alot of respect for putting themselves in that position.

If they do not believe in protecting and preserving our Constitutional rights they should not be fighting for our Country. Thats what they take an oath for. Protecting our 1st and the rest of our Bill of Rights. I can believe and say whatever offends them.

They can have strong hardcore heated disagreements without resulting to bullying and violence. Spitting on people and having violent outbreaks just because they disagree with someone's opinion is not only not American, its also criminal. Thats authoritarian and not representative of their precious oath. My Founding Fathers of my country would take my side, the side that the 1st is an unalienable right and should be protected at all costs even if someone's opinion makes others butt hurt. Thats all what I need to know, and that's the right path moving forward in service to my country.

Being a Marine or any other public servant is fighting for everything that I and everybody else on here do and express on here. We dont live in China. And I will always protect and practice mine, being cause in doing so Im protecting theirs.

And thats protecting yours too

you are toxic to me, i get full of hate reading your posts so i am done posting in this thread...but if you are ever anywhere close to me i would love to engage with you face to face where you can't hide behind a computer screen.

a good rule to live by is to not say anything about anyone behind their back that you wouldn't say to their face-or hiding behind a computer screen.

 

[ax1]

you are toxic to me, i get full of hate reading your posts so i am done posting in this thread...but if you are ever anywhere close to me i would love to engage with you face to face where you can't hide behind a computer screen.

a good rule to live by is to not say anything about anyone behind their back that you wouldn't say to their face-or hiding behind a computer screen.

You mad bro?

 

[ax1]

you are toxic to me, i get full of hate reading your posts so i am done posting in this thread...but if you are ever anywhere close to me i would love to engage with you face to face where you can't hide behind a computer screen.

a good rule to live by is to not say anything about anyone behind their back that you wouldn't say to their face-or hiding behind a computer screen.

““Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

– John Adams

 

[Jiigzz]

why do we need a foreigner like jiigzz to point out how bad America is when have Americans like you to do that for us.....c'mon don't stop now, point out some more reasons why America is a shythole---all of us guys who vowed to give our lives in defense of this country just love to hear you tell us this country is a piece of crap...you are crapping all over the graves of those brave marines who gave their lives for this country. if you hate this country so much then leave-you have family in china, right?

For the record, this is the Political thread, but it isn't limited to the US although that is the majority of the conversation. I would engage with it regardless of whether we discussed NZ, Germany, Czech, the Balkan states or whatever else came up.

It's good to be in tune with the world around you and not be so insular.

Let's also remember that these threads gravitate toward the "negative", for lack of a better term. There are obviously many things that are great about the US that are either ignored or quickly brushed over. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. We KNOW the US is a great nation. Let's not forget that. The discussions we each put forward are our own views on how the nation could be even greater. That's all.

 

[sammpedd88]

lol...that made me laugh, thanks!!!

You’re welcome man!

 

[sammpedd88]

How is one teachers actions news worthy? All Faux News is doing is trying to rile people up. It's literally not news worthy.

If anything is, it's the nationalist and brainwash act of Pledging allegiance to a piece of fabric.

She isn’t the only teacher that tries to push an un-American agenda in the classroom.

12 of fellow Marines were killed for that “piece of fabric”. You are not a US citizen so you don’t get the importance of the flag or the pledge so don’t act like you do.

 

[ax1]

She isn’t the only teacher that tries to push an un-American agenda in the classroom.

12 of fellow Marines were killed for that “piece of fabric”. You are not a US citizen so you don’t get the importance of the flag or the pledge so don’t act like you do.

I defend freedom of expression in any way, but that shyt doesnt belong in the setting of a workplace classroom. She need to do that on her own time and off school grounds. And no that doesnt mean I respect her if she did as I suggested, she is still a piece of crap. Im a tax payer and she is on my time, children deserve all attention and focus on education so they succeed in the future, not political bs.

 

[ax1]

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[ax1]

For the record, this is the Political thread, but it isn't limited to the US although that is the majority of the conversation. I would engage with it regardless of whether we discussed NZ, Germany, Czech, the Balkan states or whatever else came up.

It's good to be in tune with the world around you and not be so insular.

Let's also remember that these threads gravitate toward the "negative", for lack of a better term. There are obviously many things that are great about the US that are either ignored or quickly brushed over. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. We KNOW the US is a great nation. Let's not forget that. The discussions we each put forward are our own views on how the nation could be even greater. That's all.

No American has the right to force foreigners to shut up. They can say it, but cant force it. Its actually embarrassing when I see that and not representative of traditional American Constitutional values.

The United States of America stands firmly with some of what Im about to post below.......and this is what Im all about, real traditional American values and why I defend your right to free speech here, and why I always will. Cancel culture and promotion of censorship does drive me crazy, thats my weak point where I start to crack, LOL!

One of the influences of the values of the Declaration of Independence go further back in the time of John Locke, and Ill quote some stuff I just searched because I cant say it better or clearer than by an author named Jonathan Rauch and his studies of Locke. One of my weaknesses on here truthfully is that I suck at communication and get people off the wrong way. But the fact is this, once society or government oppress free speech, we all lose it.

In a Lockean world, social and political systems would be ordered to promote the free exercise of speech and
the toleration of the expression of any and all ideas and opinions, even those deemed offensive,
hateful or dangerous.

In a Lockean society, "Nazis, Communists, [and] racists" are free to express their views because they may be right, and even if they are not right, hearing their views helps those who oppose them refine their opinions and prevents their knowledge from becoming stale.

and also add this quote by Alex Daniel (just a university student, but this sounds more perfect that anything I can express

Locke would certainly agree with Rauch that absolute speech rights are necessary to ensure the orderly and efficient discovery of knowledge, the true basis for Locke's rejection of speech regulation derives from his belief in inherent individual liberty-for Locke, speech was not simply a means to arrive at the truth, but rather it was an absolute right guaranteed to citizens by virtue of their status of autonomous, individual beings living in a free society.

 

[ax1]

We KNOW the US is a great nation. Let's not forget that. The discussions we each put forward are our own views on how the nation could be even greater. That's all.

You dont have to ever love our government or our ruling political parties to love our country and consider it a great nation.

As a matter of fact hating our government as it stands today is a traditional American value and a sign of great patriotism. Our founders would put up a major shytstorm if they rose from the grave today and saw how the Republicrat and Demican party put everything they created, the setup of our Bill of Rights and Constitution dumped in a massive sewer reservoir after they already tore it up and lit it on fire. It would be Revolution all over again, and restoring our freedom and rights is not hate, it is love for human rights.

2021 would be 1776.

 

[ax1]

A couple of days ago I posted how Japan suspended the Moderna vax due to potential contaminants. 2 people have died.
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Also Fauci is promoting the idea of vaccinating school children if they want to attend school in person.
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[Jiigzz]

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LOL

 

[ax1]

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[BamBam54]

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[ax1]

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Monday August 30, 2021

Sunday’s news reports that the Biden Administration mistakenly killed nine members of one Afghan family, including six children, in “retaliation” for last week’s suicide attack which killed 13 US servicemembers, is a sad and sick epitaph on the 20 year Afghanistan war.

Promising to “get tough” on ISIS, which suddenly re-emerged to take responsibility for the suicide attack, the most expensive military and intelligence apparatus on earth appears to have gotten it wrong. Again.

Interventionists love to pretend they care about girls and women in Afghanistan, but it is in reality a desperate attempt to continue the 20-year US occupation. If we leave, they say, girls and women will be discriminated against by the Taliban.

It’s hard to imagine a discrimination worse than being incinerated by a drone strike, but these “collateral damage” attacks over the past 20 years have killed scores of civilians. Just like on Sunday.

That’s the worst part of this whole terrible war: day-after-day for twenty years civilians were killed because of the “noble” effort to re-make Afghanistan in the image of the United States. But the media and the warmongers who call the shots in government - and the “private” military-industrial sector - could not have cared less. Who recalls a single report on how many civilians were just “collateral damage” in the futile US war?

Sadly these children killed on Sunday, two of them reportedly just two years old, have been the ones forced to pay the price for a failed and bloody US foreign policy.

Yes, the whole exit from Afghanistan has been a debacle. Biden, but especially his military planners and incompetent advisors, deserves much of what has been piled onto him this past week or so about this incompetence.

Maybe if Biden’s Secretary of Defense and Joint Chiefs’ Chairman had spent a bit more time planning the Afghan exit and a lot less time obsessing on how to turn the US military into a laboratory for cultural Marxism, we might have actually had a workable plan.

We know that actual experts like Col. Douglas Macgregor did have a plan to get out that would have spared innocent lives. But because this decorated US Army veteran was “tainted” by his service in the previous administration – service that was solely focused on how to get out of Afghanistan safely – he would not be consulted by the Pentagon’s “woke” top military brass.

Trump also should share some of the blame currently being showered on Biden. He wanted to get out years ago, but never had the courage to stand up to the also incompetent generals and “experts” he foolishly hired to advise him.

Similarly, many conservatives (especially neoconservatives) are desperate to attack Biden not for how he got out of Afghanistan, but for the fact that he is getting us out of Afghanistan.

That tells you all you need to know about how profitable war is to the warmongers.

I’ve always said, “we just marched in, we can just march out,” and I stand by that view. Yes, you can “just march out” of these idiotic interventions…but you do need a map!

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[BamBam54]

Did Ron Paul say anything worthwhile? Or is he Biden level old/addled now?

I couldn't get past that first paragraph. We DIDN'T "mistakenly" kill an afghan family in "retaliation" for last week's suicide attack. We actually hit a new VBIED preparing to attack our people, and the resulting explosion (along with secondary explosion from the giant bomb ISIS had packed in it) killed some innocent afghans along with the bad guys.

Unfortunate.. but they were preparing to kill Americans. And Ron Paul needs to get his head out of his ass. Maybe he and Bradley Manning can have a tea party and imagine a world where islamic terrorists weren't interested in killing Americans if we all just held hands and sang kum-bye-ya together.

 

[ax1]

Did Ron Paul say anything worthwhile? Or is he Biden level old/addled now?

I couldn't get past that first paragraph. We DIDN'T "mistakenly" kill an afghan family in "retaliation" for last week's suicide attack. We actually hit a new VBIED preparing to attack our people, and the resulting explosion (along with secondary explosion from the giant bomb ISIS had packed in it) killed some innocent afghans along with the bad guys.

Unfortunate.. but they were preparing to kill Americans. And Ron Paul needs to get his head out of his ass. Maybe he and Bradley Manning can have a tea party and imagine a world where islamic terrorists weren't interested in killing Americans if we all just held hands and sang kum-bye-ya together.

Yeah, he had been consistently against occupation of Afghanistan for 20 years and had been right all along, so have I before I ever even heard of Ron Paul. He warned Congress 20 years ago what was to happen but almost nobody ever listens and learns.

Of course they are planning on killing Americans, we dont belong there, its not our country, if they were here propping up their own corrupt Military Industrial Complex making billions dropping love bombs on our children decade after decade and stealing our resources we want them the hell out too.

And dont ever forget, these groups from the Taliban, to Al-Queda to ISIS were all formed, financed, trained by US policy.

Foreign interventionist policy has been nothing but a disaster, unless your making money off of it and also collecting those campaign contributions that is being funneled to our corrupt politicians.

 

[ax1]

Did Ron Paul say anything worthwhile? Or is he Biden level old/addled now?

I couldn't get past that first paragraph. We DIDN'T "mistakenly" kill an afghan family in "retaliation" for last week's suicide attack. We actually hit a new VBIED preparing to attack our people, and the resulting explosion (along with secondary explosion from the giant bomb ISIS had packed in it) killed some innocent afghans along with the bad guys.

Unfortunate.. but they were preparing to kill Americans. And Ron Paul needs to get his head out of his ass. Maybe he and Bradley Manning can have a tea party and imagine a world where islamic terrorists weren't interested in killing Americans if we all just held hands and sang kum-bye-ya together.

If anything, the blood of 2,500 troops is all on Republicrat and Demican parties led by Bush and Cheney who lied and illegally and unconstitutionally started a war mainly propagated by Fox news with support of CiaNN and all of us of us who spoke out agaisnt this corrupt madness were all attacked for being "Anti-American" and "with the terrorists (that the US government created in the first place)" 20 years ago for warning our country that it is not another war that can be ever be won.