Donald Trump running for president

[Jiigzz]

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Every single vaccine known to man has had ALL side effects known within 6 weeks. Every. Single. One.

But you know that. Because with your vast superior knowledge you know everything

 

[Jiigzz]

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I hope youre ready:

Serious Neurological Adverse Events after Ivermectin—Do They Occur beyond the Indication of Onchocerciasis?

Serious neurological adverse events have been reported from large scale community-based ivermectin treatment campaigns against Onchocerciasis volvulus in Africa. The mechanism of these events has been debated in the literature, largely focusing on the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Although much remains to be learned about how the drug works and how resistance to it will develop, it has earned the title of "wonder drug"

So they still haven't learned exactly how it works (kinda like paracetamol), but yet you trust your life over that than a vaccine in which all side effects are known within weeks.

Just make sure you dose it according to your weight. Be safe!

 

[Beau]

"One of the most important reasons for studying history is that virtually every stupid idea that is in vogue today has been tried before and proved disastrous before, time and again. Do we need to keep repeating the same mistakes forever?"

- Thomas Sowell

 

[THOR 70]

Every single vaccine known to man has had ALL side effects known within 6 weeks. Every. Single. One.

But you know that. Because with your vast superior knowledge you know everything

Care to cite the 50+ year meta analysis that proves this statement? Or are you making up sensational claims to sound smart...AGAIN?

Obviously it doesn’t exist cause it’s impossible to do and even if we had some miraculous long term study across ALL vaccines, it would still not eliminate unknowns. You’re blinded by your worship of science and your irrational statements like this prove it.

 

[THOR 70]

I hope youre ready:

Serious Neurological Adverse Events after Ivermectin—Do They Occur beyond the Indication of Onchocerciasis?

Serious neurological adverse events have been reported from large scale community-based ivermectin treatment campaigns against Onchocerciasis volvulus in Africa. The mechanism of these events has been debated in the literature, largely focusing on the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Although much remains to be learned about how the drug works and how resistance to it will develop, it has earned the title of "wonder drug"

So they still haven't learned exactly how it works (kinda like paracetamol), but yet you trust your life over that than a vaccine in which all side effects are known within weeks.

Just make sure you dose it according to your weight. Be safe!

What is your point here? To affirm that it is a wonder drug like I was pointing to? Or to just demonstrate that you don’t know that many drug’s exact MOA is not fully known?

 

[thebigt]

my wife says it is karma that denny hamlin won his 1st race of the year today...denny is her guy and earlier today she read the tweet by his longtime girlfriend breaking it off and saying no one should have to go thru what she went thru...my wife said here we go again with some stupid broad making false accusations just like blasey ford did with kavanaugh...so hamlin winning made her day--my guy is alex bowman, his day was not so good

 

[thebigt]

His mind is

i think he is literally spending the weekend at bernies.

 

[thebigt]

pelosi blocks the names of the 13 marines killed in afghanistan from being read by house of representatives....

 

[Jiigzz]

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It also got a Nobel Prize for being an anti-parasitic medication, not because it cures Covid.

Care to cite the 50+ year meta analysis that proves this statement? Or are you making up sensational claims to sound smart...AGAIN?

Obviously it doesn’t exist cause it’s impossible to do and even if we had some miraculous long term study across ALL vaccines, it would still not eliminate unknowns. You’re blinded by your worship of science and your irrational statements like this prove it.

Do you not see the irony in saying I am blinded by science, when you are literally following research yourself? I mean, you read in research that ivermectin was effective, did you not?

You don't need a meta analysis of all the vaccines to know the side effects of each one. The manufacturer and research companies monitor people for decades. This is normal in pharmaceutical research and helps capture data from a wide scope of nationalities, BMIs and underlying medical conditions that could change the the way the vaccine works. mRNA has been used in humans for decades, and monitored for just as long. but the result are still the same, the side effects are known very early on and nothing new shows itself after the 6-8 week mark. They just gain a better understanding of how those side effects develop, but the side effects themselves are known.

You're blinded by your ignorance on the subject. By all means snort ivermectin it makes no difference to me but you'll continue to be called out on topics you are posting misleading info about.

 

[Jiigzz]

What is your point here? To affirm that it is a wonder drug like I was pointing to? Or to just demonstrate that you don’t know that many drug’s exact MOA is not fully known?

You clearly didn't even click the link LOL

 

[THOR 70]

It also got a Nobel Prize for being an anti-parasitic medication, not because it cures Covid.


Do you not see the irony in saying I am blinded by science, when you are literally following research yourself? I mean, you read in research that ivermectin was effective, did you not?

You don't need a meta analysis of all the vaccines to know the side effects of each one. The manufacturer and research companies monitor people for decades. This is normal in pharmaceutical research and helps capture data from a wide scope of nationalities, BMIs and underlying medical conditions that could change the the way the vaccine works. mRNA has been used in humans for decades, and monitored for just as long. but the result are still the same, the side effects are known very early on and nothing new shows itself after the 6-8 week mark. They just gain a better understanding of how those side effects develop, but the side effects themselves are known.

You're blinded by your ignorance on the subject. By all means snort ivermectin it makes no difference to me but you'll continue to be called out on topics you are posting misleading info about.

It’s unequivocally false that all side effects are known in 6-8 week mark. That’s exactly why they have open label extensions, etc in trials-in order to catch new/long term safety signals. I can’t even take you seriously anymore with your lack of logic.

Aaaaaand I’m back to thinking you’re a paid troll to argue senseless statements to just aggravate people who are thinking critically.

 

[Beau]

 

[ax1]

Some exciting news coming directly here down the pipeline….

 

[Jiigzz]

It’s unequivocally false that all side effects are known in 6-8 week mark. That’s exactly why they have open label extensions, etc in trials-in order to catch new/long term safety signals. I can’t even take you seriously anymore with your lack of logic.

Aaaaaand I’m back to thinking you’re a paid troll to argue senseless statements to just aggravate people who are thinking critically.

Wrong. Just because you say it's false doesn't make it so.

"that the longest time before a side effect appeared for any type of shot has been six weeks."

Do you know who said that? Dr. John Grabenstein, Director of the Immunisation Action Coalition.

Its laughable that you think you know more than the leading authority on vaccinations, but that's typical of a Facebook researcher these days. I can see your response already "they're paid to say that, they're just slaves to big pharmamamamamamma"

Do you know why they continue trials? Because they are obliged to IN CASE side effects developed. Do you know what they've noticed with every vaccine since 1960? That all the side effects are known within 6 weeks. But they keep trials going anyway because that obviously isn't a guarantee NONE will shown up, only that it is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that any will.

“The concerns that something will spring up later with the COVID-19 vaccines are not impossible, but based on what we know, they aren’t likely,” adds Miles Braun, adjunct professor of medicine at the Georgetown University School of Medicine and the former director of the division of epidemiology at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

A key reason for this limited window of side effects is the short time all vaccines stay in the body, says Onyema Ogbuagu, an infectious diseases specialist at Yale Medicine and a principal investigator of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine trial. Unlike medicines that people take every day or week, vaccines are generally administered once or a handful of times over a lifetime. The mRNA molecules used in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are especially fragile, he notes, so “they are out of your body in a day or so.”

It's also ironic you say you can't take me seriously when you don't think people have been to space yet lol.

 

[BamBam54]

".... mRNA has been used in humans for decades, and monitored for just as long..."

Jiigzz - What other vaccine are you referring to that used mRNA in humans for decades? What is the name of it? This sounds like some dopey liberal sound-bite that no one ever takes time to fact check.

 

[Jiigzz]

It’s unequivocally false that all side effects are known in 6-8 week mark. That’s exactly why they have open label extensions, etc in trials-in order to catch new/long term safety signals. I can’t even take you seriously anymore with your lack of logic.

Aaaaaand I’m back to thinking you’re a paid troll to argue senseless statements to just aggravate people who are thinking critically.

Scrolling through vaccines history, you can actually look this up for yourself:

Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Read more about past vaccine safety concerns, how they have been resolved, and what we have learned.

www.cdc.gov

None happen years later. All are known VERY quickly.

We both know that no amount of evidence will change your mind because it's not really about side effects to you. If it was, there are a LOT of things you would avoid (supplements, SARMs etc). It's about politics.

 

[Jiigzz]

Jiigzz - What other vaccine are you referring to that used mRNA in humans for decades? What is the name of it? This sounds like some dopey liberal sound-bite that no one ever takes time to fact check.

Where did I say it was used in another vaccine, specifically?

I'm not backing up a claim I never made

 

[Jiigzz]

Jiigzz - What other vaccine are you referring to that used mRNA in humans for decades? What is the name of it? This sounds like some dopey liberal sound-bite that no one ever takes time to fact check.

Well this dopey liberal did fact check it:

Debunking mRNA Vaccine Misconceptions—An Overview for Medical Professionals

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[SkRaw85]

A photo is worth a thousand pounds….

 

[Jiigzz]

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A photo is worth a thousand pounds….

Damn, this is probably the best one I've seen

 

[THOR 70]

Do you know why they continue trials? Because they are obliged to IN CASE side effects developed. Do you know what they've noticed with every vaccine since 1960? That all the side effects are known within 6 weeks. But they keep trials going anyway because that obviously isn't a guarantee NONE will shown up, only that it is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that any will.

“The concerns that something will spring up later with the COVID-19 vaccines are not impossible, but based on what we know, they aren’t likely,” adds Miles Braun.

Glad we can agree your original statement was false, by your own response here. Are you backtracking or just can’t remember what you’re arguing? I never said side effects were common or guaranteed past 6 weeks, I just said you were false to say “ALL side affects of ALL vaccines are known after 6-8 weeks.”

I almost don’t have to reply and you defeat yourself with your ramblings. Unfortunately now you have just become a waste of my time.

 

[Jiigzz]

Glad we can agree your original statement was false, by your own response here. Are you backtracking or just can’t remember what you’re arguing? I never said side effects were common or guaranteed past 6 weeks, I just said you were false to say “ALL side affects of ALL vaccines are known after 6-8 weeks.”

I almost don’t have to reply and you defeat yourself with your ramblings. Unfortunately now you have just become a waste of my time.

Did you not read the rest? Seems like you just chose the part that agreed with you while simultaneously missing the rest.

Because if you kept reading, you would know this. They've said all vaccines so far have not had side effects show after 6 weeks, this by extension means that any future vaccines will follow the same pattern, but of course they can't guarantee that, so they use the phrase "highly unlikely". I didn't say every vaccine now and forever, I said all vaccines known to us. Read that again. The statement as read TODAY is absolutely true. Because all vaccine side effects noted are from within 6 weeks of initial testing. You hang on to the "but what if" as though you actually care. You don't care. Stop pretending this is anything other than political.

Your strawman doesn't back your position here. In fact, you've post nothing to show a current vaccine side effect appearing after 6 weeks. Why not go find one? I'll wait. What better way to shut someone up than find actual evidence (not people saying they had side effects 20 years later), but actual tangible data backing that.

 

[THOR 70]

Did you not read the rest? Seems like you just chose the part that agreed with you while simultaneously missing the rest.

Because if you kept reading, you would know this. They've said all vaccines so far have not had side effects show after 6 weeks, this by extension means that any future vaccines will follow the same pattern, but of course they can't guarantee that, so they use the phrase "highly unlikely". I didn't say every vaccine now and forever, I said all vaccines known to us. Read that again. The statement as read TODAY is absolutely true. Because all vaccine side effects noted are from within 6 weeks of initial testing. You hang on to the "but what if" as though you actually care. You don't care. Stop pretending this is anything other than political.

Your strawman doesn't back your position here. In fact, you've post nothing to show a current vaccine side effect appearing after 6 weeks. Why not go find one? I'll wait. What better way to shut someone up than find actual evidence (not people saying they had side effects 20 years later), but actual tangible data backing that.

Keep rambling all you want. You lost credibility when you sided against yourself. Only thing I can respect you for now is your backtracking troll game.

 

[Jiigzz]

Glad we can agree your original statement was false, by your own response here. Are you backtracking or just can’t remember what you’re arguing? I never said side effects were common or guaranteed past 6 weeks, I just said you were false to say “ALL side affects of ALL vaccines are known after 6-8 weeks.”

I almost don’t have to reply and you defeat yourself with your ramblings. Unfortunately now you have just become a waste of my time.

For the record though, this isn't a post defending mandates. Even I don't like that idea.

 

[Jiigzz]

Keep rambling all you want. You lost credibility when you sided against yourself. Only thing I can respect you for now is your backtracking troll game.

Main takeaway, just keep yourself and family safe. The mandates are ****.

I believe people should have the right to choose what they think is in their best interest, for better or worse, but just do so by weighing up all the known evidence and not the "what-ifs" about things that are 1 in a billion.

 

[thebigt]

vet groups are getting trapped Americans abandoned by biden out of afghanistan---true heroes.

just got out a mom and her 3 children---hell yeah!!!!

 

[thebigt]

@THOR 70 i guess you have seen where msnbc got caught pushing fake news on ivermectin od story?

 

[THOR 70]

@THOR 70 i guess you have seen where msnbc got caught pushing fake news on ivermectin od story?

I haven’t. But propaganda is rampant

 

[ax1]

Tic Toc Tic Toc….

 

[thebigt]

I haven’t. But propaganda is rampant

rolling stone magazine fell for it also-was ordered to do a retraction....someone punked out liberal media with a fake story of er's being overwhelmed by ivermectin overdoses and instead of checking for themselves ran with the story--you need to google this-it's proof of false news!!! rachel madcow reported it too

 

[thebigt]

Tic Toc Tic Toc….

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i see she's back

 

[thebigt]

"One of the most important reasons for studying history is that virtually every stupid idea that is in vogue today has been tried before and proved disastrous before, time and again. Do we need to keep repeating the same mistakes forever?"
HIPPIES]

BUT then we grew up

 

[Beau]

This is not the right forum for this question, but I believe it has the right audience.

I am not an anti-vaccer (sp?), but I am also not enamored with the currently available vaccines and have therefore been waiting on the US release of Novavax. It is touted as hiaving a higher efficacy rate with less downsides and based on a more proven MOA.

I was just informed that my son and his wife (who will be having child #2) will require anyone who is to be allowed to be near child #2 must be "fully vaccinated". Although I do not agree with his fear driven-driven requirement, I do respect and appreciate his intention, and will have to honor it. Novavax was supposed to be released in Q3 2021, but it has now been delayed until Q4.

The baby will be born in mid-October.

I have a call into my MD for her guidance/recommendation on which one of the now available vaccines are the least terrible. So, I ask the same question of you - of those who consider themselves informed, which vaccine do you recommend?

I am not willing to "die on this hill", because standing my ground will cause an enormous amount of collateral damage. So I feel it is necessary to do this, even though I am not pleased.

Thoughts?

 

[THOR 70]

This is not the right forum for this question, but I believe it has the right audience.

I am not an anti-vaccer (sp?), but I am also not enamored with the currently available vaccines and have therefore been waiting on the US release of Novavax. It is touted as hiaving a higher efficacy rate with less downsides and based on a more proven MOA.

I was just informed that my son and his wife (who will be having child #2) will require anyone who is to be allowed to be near child #2 must be "fully vaccinated". Although I do not agree with his fear driven-driven requirement, I do respect and appreciate his intention, and will have to honor it. Novavax was supposed to be released in Q3 2021, but it has now been delayed until Q4.

The baby will be born in mid-October.

I have a call into my MD for her guidance/recommendation on which one of the now available vaccines are the least terrible. So, I ask the same question of you - of those who consider themselves informed, which vaccine do you recommend?

I am not willing to "die on this hill", because standing my ground will cause an enormous amount of collateral damage. So I feel it is necessary to do this, even though I am not pleased.

Thoughts?

Sorry you’re in that predicament. Obviously you know my stance on these vaccines. I would wait as long as possible so that hopefully your son changes his mind as the efficacy data with vaccines get weaker and weaker in real life data. Any chance you’ve had covid already?

 

[thebigt]

This is not the right forum for this question, but I believe it has the right audience.

I am not an anti-vaccer (sp?), but I am also not enamored with the currently available vaccines and have therefore been waiting on the US release of Novavax. It is touted as hiaving a higher efficacy rate with less downsides and based on a more proven MOA.

I was just informed that my son and his wife (who will be having child #2) will require anyone who is to be allowed to be near child #2 must be "fully vaccinated". Although I do not agree with his fear driven-driven requirement, I do respect and appreciate his intention, and will have to honor it. Novavax was supposed to be released in Q3 2021, but it has now been delayed until Q4.

The baby will be born in mid-October.

I have a call into my MD for her guidance/recommendation on which one of the now available vaccines are the least terrible. So, I ask the same question of you - of those who consider themselves informed, which vaccine do you recommend?

I am not willing to "die on this hill", because standing my ground will cause an enormous amount of collateral damage. So I feel it is necessary to do this, even though I am not pleased.

Thoughts?

i wasn't sure so i checked to be sure---fully vaccinated persons can spread covid.

i doubt it will change your sons mind though.....

 

[Beau]

Sorry you’re in that predicament. Obviously you know my stance on these vaccines. I would wait as long as possible so that hopefully your son changes his mind as the efficacy data with vaccines get weaker and weaker in real life data. Any chance you’ve had covid already?

They tested me when I did my blood donation. Nope, nada.

The baby will be born in a month. Time is not on my side. He will not change his mind. He listens to NPR.

 

[Beau]

i wasn't sure so i checked to be sure---fully vaccinated persons can spread covid.

i doubt it will change your sons mind though.....

Oh, heck yes - fully vaccinated people can both transmit and catch COVID. If they catch it, they can be symptomatic or unsympathetic.

Part of me understands the need to be a supportive father (especially with his crap-hole-of-a-mother). The other (less mature) part of my prefers suggesting a physically impossible act.

BTW - I raised him to have string convictions. He does. I can respect that. Just not this decision.

In my 30s I wouldn't have changed my mind, either - if I felt that I was doing the best thing for my kids.

 

[THOR 70]

Oh, heck yes - fully vaccinated people can both transmit and catch COVID. If they catch it, they can be symptomatic or unsympathetic.

Part of me understands the need to be a supportive father (especially with his crap-hole-of-a-mother). The other (less mature) part of my prefers suggesting a physically impossible act.

BTW - I raised him to have string convictions. He does. I can respect that. Just not this decision.

In my 30s I wouldn't have changed my mind, either - if I felt that I was doing the best thing for my kids.

Has to be so hard to be negatively influenced by someone’s lack of understanding. I commend you for your selflessness. I really do.

If someone had a gun to my head, I would choose J&J. I don’t feel qualified to give you the reasons why.

 

[Beau]

Has to be so hard to be negatively influenced by someone’s lack of understanding. I commend you for your selflessness. I really do.

If someone had a gun to my head, I would choose J&J. I don’t feel qualified to give you the reasons why.

Thank you.

 

[Beau]

FWIW - I have been leaning towards the J&J vaccine. Although the idea of (theoretically, at least) dealing with thrombosis is not ideal, I like that the crap they may very well inject into me it is not based on mRNA technology. In addition, the reports of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) have been in adult women younger than 50 years old, and (i) I am not a woman (not assigned that at birth, whatever in the hell that is supposed to mean), and (ii) I am not over 50 (unless the leftist idiots now allow you to assign an age based on feelings). Yes, I suppose that makes me both sexist and ageist.

The world has gone made, and ass-clowns are driving (although, depending on race, they may not know where to get a driver's license, which make me a racist).

 

[THOR 70]

FWIW - I have been leaning towards the J&J vaccine. Although the idea of (theoretically, at least) dealing with thrombosis is not ideal, I like that the crap they may very well inject into me it is not based on mRNA technology. In addition, the reports of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) have been in adult women younger than 50 years old, and (i) I am not a woman (not assigned that at birth, whatever in the hell that is supposed to mean), and (ii) I am not over 50 (unless the leftist idiots now allow you to assign an age based on feelings). Yes, I suppose that makes me both sexist and ageist.

The world has gone made, and ass-clowns are driving (although, depending on race, they may not know where to get a driver's license, which make me a racist).

Your thought process is similar to mine on this topic. I would take a vasodilator and nattokinase religiously to further mitigate the risk.

Also I would make sure diet/self care/stress is 100% dialed in as far as possible prior/post injection. I would also be doing a lot of sauna/hydration post.

 

[Beau]

Your thought process is similar to mine on this topic. I would take a vasodilator and nattokinase religiously to further mitigate the risk.

Also I would make sure diet/self care/stress is 100% dialed in as far as possible prior/post injection. I would also be doing a lot of sauna/hydration post.

I use vasodilator and nattokinase every day, and have started using pycnogenol and a gotu kola extracts. In short, I agree.

I have resumed drinking a lot of water, and maintaining hydration.

Because of things at work (that I won't bring up but about which I have spoken to an Atty), my stress level is terrible. Thus, my sleep is similarly terrible.

 

[BOSSMAN]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1435235393260113927

Can't wait until the NFL stadiums erupt like the college games and other venues did over the past weekend. Freedom of speech right? Thats what they said when Colin started all his kneeling bs on the NFL stage.

 

[thebigt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1435235393260113927

Can't wait until the NFL stadiums erupt like the college games and other venues did over the past weekend. Freedom of speech right? Thats what they said when Colin started all his kneeling bs on the NFL stage.

i am waiting for the chants of...'NOT MY PRESIDENT'

IMPEACH 46

 

[BamBam54]

Libs here are pushing for the military to get vaccinated. Even though they don't generally serve themselves. And ignoring that servicemen are young and fit and could just get sick, get better, and move on with stronger longer lasting natural immunity.

Out of 1.4 million service members we have only lost 34 due to covid over a year and a half, or 0.002%

Meanwhile Biden's incompetent leadership in Kabul lost 0.007% of the entire Marine Corps in just ONE DAY.

 

[thebigt]

Libs here are pushing for the military to get vaccinated. Even though they don't generally serve themselves. And ignoring that servicemen are young and fit and could just get sick, get better, and move on with stronger longer lasting natural immunity.

Out of 1.4 million service members we have only lost 34 due to covid over a year and a half, or 0.002%

Meanwhile Biden's incompetent leadership in Kabul lost 0.007% of the entire Marine Corps in just ONE DAY.

i bet biden is as popular with todays military as carter was when iran took our embassy hostage back in my day---we hated carter!!!

 

[sammpedd88]

i bet biden is as popular with todays military as carter was when iran took our embassy hostage back in my day---we hated carter!!!

I always thought Carter was the worst President is modern history but I think Biden will have him beat by a long shot.

Evidently Biden was giving a speech today and again, he said, I’m doing what I’m told, I’m supposed to stop and walk out. This is a disgrace.

 

[Jiigzz]

i see she's back

So much for loving thy neighbour eh?

 

[thebigt]

I always thought Carter was the worst President is modern history but I think Biden will have him beat by a long shot.

Evidently Biden was giving a speech today and again, he said, I’m doing what I’m told, I’m supposed to stop and walk out. This is a disgrace.

there are those who voted for biden truly believing he was going to UNITE and HEAL the country.

 

[thebigt]

So much for loving thy neighbour eh?

not my neighbor--- merely a fictional character...

just like the character jiigzz---for all i know jiigzz is a chinese woman living in new orleans?