Dermacrine and TRT

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I've been on TRT a very long time and have always included pregnenolone as part of my protocol, but looking for some additional "kick" for mood and physical aspects. Normally I would reach for an epiandro product, but trying to hold onto the hair I have.

I read nothing but good things about Dermacrine, but curious how beneficial it would be to add to TRT. I'd love any personal experiences to chime in.
 
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experiences are going to vary from person to person-hence personal experiences....with that said if you go to iconic formulations website you will find 35 reviews from ACTUAL users...it is necessary to buy the product to get a email for access to review products...i think it is great that people know that the reviews are truly from people who have bought and used the products.

glad to see your interest in dermacrine!!!
 

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Thanks, actually started there but never know who might be posting up reviews and I always trust input from AM members.
 
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I ran dermacrine with my TRT and felt a boost but my estrogen bumped up and I held water while on as well. Definitely felt better, and made some other improvements as well. For a nice bump I think it would do the trick, and probably feel better overall than the epiandro but if you are estro sensitive keep an eye out. I would recommend running it on your upper back and traps if so. I remember reading that the protein or whatever that converts it more to androgen is more heavily concentrated in that area so less will be converted into estro and more to androsterone.
 
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I've been on TRT a very long time and have always included pregnenolone as part of my protocol, but looking for some additional "kick" for mood and physical aspects. Normally I would reach for an epiandro product, but trying to hold onto the hair I have.

I read nothing but good things about Dermacrine, but curious how beneficial it would be to add to TRT. I'd love any personal experiences to chime in.
I guess it depends on what your looking to get out of it, but I've messed around with it and I like it, 3-5 pumps. Just kinda makes everything feel a little better. I do like epiandro better tho
 
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I ran dermacrine with my TRT and felt a boost but my estrogen bumped up and I held water while on as well. Definitely felt better, and made some other improvements as well. For a nice bump I think it would do the trick, and probably feel better overall than the epiandro but if you are estro sensitive keep an eye out. I would recommend running it on your upper back and traps if so. I remember reading that the protein or whatever that converts it more to androgen is more heavily concentrated in that area so less will be converted into estro and more to androsterone.
yup...eric potratz recommended front of neck, shoulders and upper back as most highly concentrated with steroidogenic enzymes--places where a lot of teenage boys get acne, as the most optimal places for application.

he said to avoid stomach area as conversion to estrogen will be greater there.
 

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Great info guys, appreciate it. I ordered a bottle and will see how it goes.

As for what I am looking for- a bit more controlled aggression for training sessions, some general energy and mood improvement, and would love to shred some fat. I run pretty lean, but love how epiandro just shreds the water weight and makes you feel super. Trying to replicate that as much as possible without the big DHT increase- which I am aware is partly what drives the mood.
 
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Great info guys, appreciate it. I ordered a bottle and will see how it goes.

As for what I am looking for- a bit more controlled aggression for training sessions, some general energy and mood improvement, and would love to shred some fat. I run pretty lean, but love how epiandro just shreds the water weight and makes you feel super. Trying to replicate that as much as possible without the big DHT increase- which I am aware is partly what drives the mood.
eric also said applying to scrotum increases dht...just sayin

hope this turns out well for you--GOOD LUCK!!!
 
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Cant comment on TRT but whilst running Lgd/Rad 140/MK677 few weeks in my sperm turned waterlike and I felt the lethargy....hit 4 pumps a day of Dermacrine and very quickly was back on line and felt great. Oddly I didnt really suffer any sides either with this combo at a lower end of dose.
 

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Cant comment on TRT but whilst running Lgd/Rad 140/MK677 few weeks in my sperm turned waterlike and I felt the lethargy....hit 4 pumps a day of Dermacrine and very quickly was back on line and felt great. Oddly I didnt really suffer any sides either with this combo at a lower end of dose.
whats the point of running lgd and rad together? just curious
 
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whats the point of running lgd and rad together? just curious
It was a liquid tri stack that I had heard rave reviews about so gave it a whirl and fair enough it was impressive. I've heard alot of people saying don't stack stack both but for reasons why I haven't really seen any other than supression and hit on bloods but i didn't really have much of an issue there so who knows?
 
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It was a liquid tri stack that I had heard rave reviews about so gave it a whirl and fair enough it was impressive. I've heard alot of people saying don't stack stack both but for reasons why I haven't really seen any other than supression and hit on bloods but i didn't really have much of an issue there so who knows?
I think just has to do with they kind of do similar things and if taking the time to stack compounds it is normally a pretty good idea to do one compound that is more androgenic, and another one that is mostly anabolic to limit sides and maximize growth. However there might be another reason I am unaware of.
 
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I think just has to do with they kind of do similar things and if taking the time to stack compounds it is normally a pretty good idea to do one compound that is more androgenic, and another one that is mostly anabolic to limit sides and maximize growth. However there might be another reason I am unaware of.
I'm pretty sure these companies just randomly pick a couple of the sarms type products and throw them in a bottle lol.

On a side note, if you combined rad and something that converts to estrogen together that combo should work like a test base. That's what there trying to do with rad to make it hrt
 
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But rad without estrogen present does not work like a test base
 
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I have used 15mg of rad while just on trt and tho I don't feel it did much in terms of muscle it definitely was a feel good combo, more aggression but a good controlled aggression
 
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dermacrine and trt...
 
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I'm pretty sure these companies just randomly pick a couple of the sarms type products and throw them in a bottle lol.

On a side note, if you combined rad and something that converts to estrogen together that combo should work like a test base. That's what there trying to do with rad to make it hrt
Oh, no doubt! The more they can put on the bottle the more the people will want the product.
 
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well, this is the iconic formulations sub forum.
I see that, I assumed hes already set on using the dermacrine. I'm wondering what was the point of repeating dermacrine and trt. I was guessing it's because we mentioned some sarms, I didn't think it was frowned upon to mention things we have tried. I don't think anyone mentioned any other companies names or anything like that.
 

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Lol, yeah for now I am set on the dermacrine and will be updating here once it arrives and I have opportunity to try it. Probably put in 4 little updates- once per week.
 
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I see that, I assumed hes already set on using the dermacrine. I'm wondering what was the point of repeating dermacrine and trt. I was guessing it's because we mentioned some sarms, I didn't think it was frowned upon to mention things we have tried. I don't think anyone mentioned any other companies names or anything like that.
if this were the supplement forum or anabolics forum i would be all in, but since this is the ICONIC FORMULATIONS forum it would be nice if we could stick to talking about ICONIC FORMULATIONS products.
 
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It's ok you can give it to me straight big t, I've been scolded before
lol...my children are all grown, haven't scolded anyone in a long time.....we're good!!!:D
 

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if this were the supplement forum or anabolics forum i would be all in, but since this is the ICONIC FORMULATIONS forum it would be nice if we could stick to talking about ICONIC FORMULATIONS products.
if i had a nickel for every post that veered off course i would be rich af lol :p
 
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if i had a nickel for every post that veered off course i would be rich af lol :p
absolutely---but company sub forums should be reserved for talk of and about that companies products.
 

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I knew you all followed me around no matter what sub I was in!! lol
 
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I knew you all followed me around no matter what sub I was in!! lol
Damn it, and I thought I was being slick too!!!
 

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It's okay, I low key knew all along. haha

I am feeling a little impatient because I placed my order on Monday and it still hasn't shipped. I keep checking and there are no updates, and I paid extra for 2 day shipping.
 
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It's okay, I low key knew all along. haha

I am feeling a little impatient because I placed my order on Monday and it still hasn't shipped. I keep checking and there are no updates, and I paid extra for 2 day shipping.
No specific company am I talking about, but just in general, any time I pay extra for shipping I swear it takes longer lol
 

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The irony is that I NEVER pay the extra and I really wanted this here because I have a beach trip coming and want the shred to begin!
 

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I received a nice, detailed response from Rob at Iconic today that explained the delay, so no big deal on the wait. Nice extra touch for all the information that they did not need to go into, but explained their side. (y)
 

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how about alpha 7 and TRT? I'm starting TRT today and going to wait a while before enhancing it further to dial in dosage with doc. Is alpha 7 hard on the hair? I don't know much about androsterone.
 
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how about alpha 7 and TRT? I'm starting TRT today and going to wait a while before enhancing it further to dial in dosage with doc. Is alpha 7 hard on the hair? I don't know much about androsterone.
the reason so many, me included enjoy dermacrine on trt is because there have been articles saying trt also suppresses dhea...with that said i've ran alpha 7 many times and been on trt for over a dozen years.
 

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So just a quick update, I received my Dermacrine 3 days ago and applied my 3rd full dose early this morning and it's a kick in the pants. I am used to the initial pregnenolone energy, but it tends to fade quickly but leave the overall mood boost. I didn't notice anything the first 2 days, but this morning I applied and about an hour later I was buzzing with feel good energy and it is now about 5 hours later and I am still going strong. Really talkative on meetings, feel very positive, and the energy is really there. I know this is not any placebo because I've been taking pregnenolone for so long it is very noticeable, but I believe the DHEA and TD application is making the feel last much longer and stronger.
 
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So just a quick update, I received my Dermacrine 3 days ago and applied my 3rd full dose early this morning and it's a kick in the pants. I am used to the initial pregnenolone energy, but it tends to fade quickly but leave the overall mood boost. I didn't notice anything the first 2 days, but this morning I applied and about an hour later I was buzzing with feel good energy and it is now about 5 hours later and I am still going strong. Really talkative on meetings, feel very positive, and the energy is really there. I know this is not any placebo because I've been taking pregnenolone for so long it is very noticeable, but I believe the DHEA and TD application is making the feel last much longer and stronger.
nice!!!
 
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So just a quick update, I received my Dermacrine 3 days ago and applied my 3rd full dose early this morning and it's a kick in the pants. I am used to the initial pregnenolone energy, but it tends to fade quickly but leave the overall mood boost. I didn't notice anything the first 2 days, but this morning I applied and about an hour later I was buzzing with feel good energy and it is now about 5 hours later and I am still going strong. Really talkative on meetings, feel very positive, and the energy is really there. I know this is not any placebo because I've been taking pregnenolone for so long it is very noticeable, but I believe the DHEA and TD application is making the feel last much longer and stronger.
This sounds like a win for you.
 

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So just a quick update, I received my Dermacrine 3 days ago and applied my 3rd full dose early this morning and it's a kick in the pants. I am used to the initial pregnenolone energy, but it tends to fade quickly but leave the overall mood boost. I didn't notice anything the first 2 days, but this morning I applied and about an hour later I was buzzing with feel good energy and it is now about 5 hours later and I am still going strong. Really talkative on meetings, feel very positive, and the energy is really there. I know this is not any placebo because I've been taking pregnenolone for so long it is very noticeable, but I believe the DHEA and TD application is making the feel last much longer and stronger.
Did you have a boost in libido also or just the energy / well-being boost?
 
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Did you have a boost in libido also or just the energy / well-being boost?
good question?
I received a nice, detailed response from Rob at Iconic today that explained the delay, so no big deal on the wait. Nice extra touch for all the information that they did not need to go into, but explained their side. (y)
Rob is a great guy!!!
 

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Did you have a boost in libido also or just the energy / well-being boost?
Day 7 of Dermacrine and day 5 of Icon One. What I have noticed is that something in this stack calms me down in a nice way, similar to how I feel on epiandro. I am thinking that my response to TD preg and DHEA is much better than sublingual and perhaps a bit of e2 control is happening. It's a nice feeling, looking forward to seeing how it continues. I should note that I have been sleeping really deep since about the 2nd day in so that is very welcome.

No libido change from baseline, energy is about the same which is good. Only a week in so not expecting much in strength or aesthetics yet. For now, I am enjoying the mood boost and deeper sleep.
 

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Day 7 of Dermacrine and day 5 of Icon One. What I have noticed is that something in this stack calms me down in a nice way, similar to how I feel on epiandro. I am thinking that my response to TD preg and DHEA is much better than sublingual and perhaps a bit of e2 control is happening. It's a nice feeling, looking forward to seeing how it continues. I should note that I have been sleeping really deep since about the 2nd day in so that is very welcome.

No libido change from baseline, energy is about the same which is good. Only a week in so not expecting much in strength or aesthetics yet. For now, I am enjoying the mood boost and deeper sleep.
Keep us posted. I’m really interested in this product!
 
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Keep us posted. I’m really interested in this product!
google--trauma1 dermacrine write up....some great info there.

but yeah kisaj is doing a nice job on updates!!!
 

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Keep us posted. I’m really interested in this product!
I certainly will, just note that it may cloud how one of the two products is working because I decided to add the Icon One into the Dermacrine run. When is saw the Iconic line up, I couldn’t resist running a little 6-8 week stack before a Mexico trip coming up the beginning of October.
 

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So, day 11 and it is kicking in hard, I was not expecting it based on other andro runs I've done, but there is good and bad and I need to tweak some things.

The good: already getting stronger- my rep range is generally 8-12 and I've upped just about everything I would normally gas at 6-8 and even moreso in legs. Muscles are rock solid and full, vascularity is increasing, mid section is appearing to lose some water weight based on feedback from my wife and even one of my daughters, lol. Visible 6 pack. Mood is calm aggression, which is just what I was looking for. Sleep is VERY deep, so nice.

The bad: the pumps. SOOO painful, I can barely finish off sets because my quad teardrop feels like it is popping out of the skin, my biceps cannot come to full range in concentric phase, and lower back pumps are brutal. I need to get some taurine quickly. Even walking around I feel the pump and while it looks awesome, it is a bit uncomfortable. I'll be honest that I have run andro before and don't remember this quite as extreme. I wonder if I should drop the dermacrine because maybe this is also related to e2 suppression? Don't really know.

So far in just under 2 weeks, this is a crazy legit little stack, it just needs some tweaking to keep going on it. Lol
 
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So, day 10 and it is kicking in hard, I was not expecting it based on other andro runs I've done, but there is good and bad and I need to tweak some things.

The good: already getting stronger- my rep range is generally 8-12 and I've upped just about everything I would normally gas at 6-8 and even moreso in legs. Muscles are rock solid and full, vascularity is increasing, mid section is appearing to lose some water weight based on feedback from my wife and even one of my daughters, lol. Visible 6 pack. Mood is calm aggression, which is just what I was looking for. Sleep is VERY deep, so nice.

The bad: the pumps. SOOO painful, I can barely finish off sets because my quad teardrop feels like it is popping out of the skin, my biceps cannot come to full range in concentric phase, and lower back pumps are brutal. I need to get some taurine quickly. Even walking around I feel the pump and while it looks awesome, it is a bit uncomfortable. I'll be honest that I have run andro before and don't remember this quite as extreme. I wonder if I should drop the dermacrine because maybe this is also related to e2 suppression? Don't really know.

So far in just under 2 weeks, this is a crazy legit little stack, it just needs some tweaking to keep going on it. Lol
Sounds like it's kicked in good mate nice one. How many pumps you running? Gonna hit the Icon One/4-Andro in a few weeks then onto Nano 1-T and 4-AD as a finisher. I better grab me some Taurine then.
 
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So, day 11 and it is kicking in hard, I was not expecting it based on other andro runs I've done, but there is good and bad and I need to tweak some things.

The good: already getting stronger- my rep range is generally 8-12 and I've upped just about everything I would normally gas at 6-8 and even moreso in legs. Muscles are rock solid and full, vascularity is increasing, mid section is appearing to lose some water weight based on feedback from my wife and even one of my daughters, lol. Visible 6 pack. Mood is calm aggression, which is just what I was looking for. Sleep is VERY deep, so nice.

The bad: the pumps. SOOO painful, I can barely finish off sets because my quad teardrop feels like it is popping out of the skin, my biceps cannot come to full range in concentric phase, and lower back pumps are brutal. I need to get some taurine quickly. Even walking around I feel the pump and while it looks awesome, it is a bit uncomfortable. I'll be honest that I have run andro before and don't remember this quite as extreme. I wonder if I should drop the dermacrine because maybe this is also related to e2 suppression? Don't really know.

So far in just under 2 weeks, this is a crazy legit little stack, it just needs some tweaking to keep going on it. Lol
I would assume the 1-Andro to be responsible for most of the effects you described. Mood probably from the DHEA and preg. But I'd be pretty surprised, if you have low E2, when you're on trt + the DHEA in Derma + the DHEA in I1.
 

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