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I literally just gave you all the data and cited my sources my friend... read my other comment. I gave you the vote counts from 2016 and 2020 for the county, the registered voter count, and also compared the increase in turnout in the county to the overall statewide increase in turnout. It’s remarkably consistent actually.

You have pulled some of the data - but not all of it is easy. As you point out, there are issues like - how do you figure out party affiliation, etc. I am not discounting what you put, I am saying more data and a deeper analysis is needed.

Also, have you compared the data to OTHER counties in WI? What did those differences look like? You're only doing part of the analysis.
 
Which isn't a knock - because pulling the data is pretty time consuming - I'm not just pulling one single county here and comparing it to 2016. Could be that they tried this in 2016 too. Which, actually could support your hypothesis that mail-in voting wasn't that big a deal.
 
You have pulled some of the data - but not all of it is easy. As you point out, there are issues like - how do you figure out party affiliation, etc. I am not discounting what you put, I am saying more data and a deeper analysis is needed.

Also, have you compared the data to OTHER counties in WI? What did those differences look like? You're only doing part of the analysis.
They didn’t track party affiliation by voter registration. I said that. But that isn’t really important, as I explain. In that ONE county there was ZERO meaningful shift in PERCENT votes for Trump, only a swing from the third party votes to favor Biden, which is responsible for his slight uptick in percent in that county. That and an increase in overall voter turnout consistent with the rest of the state, which kept the same distribution described above, since that makes sense, more people voted, but it’s the same group of people, so the distribution remained very, very similar, just with more total votes.

The one county in GA of the two I also looked at IS more surprising and worthy of a deeper dive, as there was a LARGER swing than “just” third party shifting towards Biden and an increase in overall voter turnout.

That should be the county we deep dive on research and analysis, the other two are boringly mundane.
 
It doesn't appear that voters left Trump to go to Biden. It's that more voters overall appeared, and mail in voting is responsible.

The real question is - are all mail in votes secure and legitimate? State by state they use different methods. In Georgia, they only verified the signature of the request against the signature on ballot, and did NOT check the ballot signature against that on file for voters registration of drivers license. My biggest complaint about potential Georgia fraud....

Being that national voting laws were changed illegally via executive order rather than going through State congress to pass legislation you can argue ever mail in vote thats not an absentee vote shouldnt count.

There has been alot of protests all year in Georgia, if I was one of them Id sign up to be a polling worker and contribute to change.
 
Which isn't a knock - because pulling the data is pretty time consuming - I'm not just pulling one single county here and comparing it to 2016. Could be that they tried this in 2016 too. Which, actually could support your hypothesis that mail-in voting wasn't that big a deal.

Id like data on the poll workers manually counting the mail in ballots more than anything...I wonder how many of them were deranged BLM protestors?
 
Which isn't a knock - because pulling the data is pretty time consuming - I'm not just pulling one single county here and comparing it to 2016. Could be that they tried this in 2016 too. Which, actually could support your hypothesis that mail-in voting wasn't that big a deal.
I compared the county to 2016 and also the increased voter turnout to the statewide increase from 2016 to 2020 as well. Only 1 of 3 counties has ANY red flags, and it’s not the one in WI.
 
Id like data on the poll workers manually counting the mail in ballots more than anything...I wonder how many of them were deranged BLM protestors?
This is dumb for 2/3 counties analyzed, where the overall turnout was totally representative of 2016, just with more votes. For the third county, the one in GA I looked at, that one had some interesting Biden increases to look into.

But guys, PLEASE be reasonable. I provided data for 3 counties. Two are very mundane, one is curious. Why don’t we focus on that one? Or look for more?
 
I compared the county to 2016 and also the increased voter turnout to the statewide increase from 2016 to 2020 as well. Only 1 of 3 counties has ANY red flags, and it’s not the one in WI.

I am following your data, but I don't think it's addressing more than one small piece of the overall fraud claim.

For example- the general claim is that Trump had huge rallies and a major campaign effort while Biden had tiny rallies and minimal campaign effort. It might be expected that Biden would get LESS votes than say Obama did, especially in largely black voters counties such as around Atlanta.

It could be said that mail-in voting fraud was used to get Bidens number up to even reach 2016 levels, not to mention a 120 year record turnout. If that makes sense...

Your data does well to address the claims of turnout beyond 90% as some had claimed. But not the overall question of security/accuracy of mail in ballots. And how these might have been used in widespread ballot harvesting fraud (such as the case from Texas I posted)
 
I am following your data, but I don't think it's addressing more than one small piece of the overall fraud claim.

For example- the general claim is that Trump had huge rallies and a major campaign effort while Biden had tiny rallies and minimal campaign effort. It might be expected that Biden would get LESS votes than say Obama did, especially in largely black voters counties such as around Atlanta.

It could be said that mail-in voting fraud was used to get Bidens number up to even reach 2016 levels, not to mention a 120 year record turnout. If that makes sense...

Your data does well to address the claims of turnout beyond 90% as some had claimed. But not the overall question of security/accuracy of mail in ballots. And how these might have been used in widespread ballot harvesting fraud (such as the case from Texas I posted)
But it is. The percent vote distribution in 2/3 counties I looked at was the same as in 2016, but with some of the third party shifting to Biden. The ONLY potential “foul play” there would be if they pumped in fake votes at the SAME ratio of Biden/Trump as there was Hillary/Trump in 2016 to keep the ratios the same but the numbers higher. And Biden was Obama’s VP, and now his VP is also black and a woman, so I don’t see him losing the black vote really. Using campaign rallies isn’t the best example here, as most people’s minds were well made up already. They either hate Trump and think he’s a racist, so vote for Biden, or love him and think Biden is a socialist and vote for Trump. Very few people were swayed by late rallies lol. Claiming that Biden reaching 2016 levels only by virtue of fraud because he didn’t have as many rallies is asinine. It literally spits in the face of the data I provided that shows a VERY SIMILAR percent distribution in 2/3 counties analyzed. There is also ZERO possible way to try to prove or disprove that claim.

Why don’t we shift focus to the 1/3 counties I DID analyze that showed an ~18,000 shift from “status quo” in favor of Biden?

I’m literally extending an olive branch of objective data to look into. Let’s do it.
 
Cobb 2020:

Biden: 221,847 (56.3%)
Trump: 165,436 (42%)
JoJo: 6,445 (1.6%)

TOTAL: 393,728

Cobb 2016:

Clinton: 159,426 (48.8%)
Trump: 152,602 (46.7%)
Gary: 14,406 (4.4%)

TOTAL: 325,434

A 21% increase, which isn’t out of the state norm, but this is a much large swing in favor of Biden. As third party swinging in favor of Biden as described in other two examples would lessen the change, but nullify it. This is the ONLY county so far that has ANYTHING out of the expected status quo from 2016.

And they report 545,146 voters, so they had a 72.2% voter turnout, which isn’t crazy.

It’s only the slight shift for Biden that is a bit unexpected. Although we’d have to look into if anything in that county in particular has changed.

Keeping the same ideology as the other counties where Trump keeps the same PERCENT of votes and Biden only picks up the difference in third party votes from 2016 to 2020, Trump would “gain” ~18,400 votes.

But again, that’s assuming that the ONLY thing that happened is instead of 4.4% of people voting for Gary, 1.6% stayed voting for JoJo and 2.8% switched from voting Gary to voting Biden instead of JoJo.

This is not a smoking gun, but it is a much more interesting case than the other two, which were incredibly predictable and mundane.
Let us focus on this county, since it did have a change in percent distribution beyond just some third party switching to Biden and consistent overall total voter turnout.

For reference, Richmond County had 67.9% Biden in 2020, but 65% in 2016. Give 1.3% as described before from third party shift, and you when 66.3%, which is pretty close (1.6%)
This methodology for Cobb would take Biden from 48.8% to 51.6%, which is still nearly 5% off from the 56.3% reported, or well over twice (basically 3x) the discrepancy of Richmond, which was already more left leaning.

Why you guys want to focus on the mundane and make up conspiracy theories that are impossible to prove or disprove for it when we have a much more interesting and objectively strange case to look at is beyond me.
 
This is dumb for 2/3 counties analyzed, where the overall turnout was totally representative of 2016, just with more votes. For the third county, the one in GA I looked at, that one had some interesting Biden increases to look into.

But guys, PLEASE be reasonable. I provided data for 3 counties. Two are very mundane, one is curious. Why don’t we focus on that one? Or look for more?

I like your approach - especially trying to incorporate the 2016 voting in as another guide. Honestly, the Wisconsin stuff is very strange because in November when I was pulling all this data, most of the counties were pulling in 66% of the registered voters, but now they're almost ALL showing 85% turnout. 85% seems to be the norm in the state. It is strange that there has been an increase since what I pulled in November, since you would think late registrations would have reduced the overall turnout once that was accounted for - although it does appear to have normalized in Dane county.

So far I have collected all of the data for every county in WI for votes for Trump, votes for Biden, registered voters. I want to try to do the same for 2016 and combine them into a spreadsheet to link....working toward that...already spent a good amount of time toward this.

In some counties that Trump won, we have 180%+ voter turnout, which I find interesting as well.

I like your 2016 analysis, but I think you're leaving out the real numbers as well. In Dane, Trump saw an increase in approx. 7,000 votes vs. the 71,000 votes he had in 2016 (10% roughly). Biden saw an increase in 42,000 votes vs. the 217,506 in 2016 - or 19.3%. 14,858 of these votes could have, as you point out, come from independents. so if we subtract the 14,858 from the 42,000 votes, we have 27,142 additional votes or about 12.5% increase in votes vs. 2016 after giving ALL independent votes to Biden. With fewer independent votes (like ones going to jo jo) his percentage would increase even more. With any increase to Trump votes from independents, Trump's gain in votes becomes smaller as well. Ultimately, their is AT LEAST a relative 25% increase over the bump that Trump got over the previous election. I'd hardly say that's insignificant.

Smoking gun?? No, but I find it interesting to say the least.

Also, I know you're probably questioning my comments about the total voter turnout being lower in November. This politifact entry shows they calculated it to be around 72% for the state. The data you've provided suggests an average of about 88% for the state. I am not questioning your data - just pointing out that others had calculated the lower rates as well before so something has changed. Ironically, they used same day voter registration to explain this ...which goes against our having a HIGHER voting rate in February 2021 since that should be updated by now I would think.

Finally, we are comparing to 2016 which is a year that had an 8% increase in voter registration.

Finally, I forget how I had mathematically backed into the probability of liberal voters out of the 400,000 registered voters, but I CAN say that in MA there are 1,534,549 registered democrats and 476,480 registered republicans or 76% of the affiliated voters are democrats. This falls to 32% when we factor in all the unaffiliated and alternative party voters.

MA, I think is a pretty good guide - we are one of the most liberal states in the country by a large margin. So, applying a similar rate of liberal registration to the 400,000 registered voters you would have somewhere between 128,000 - 300,000 liberals in Dane. Dane is kind of a pocket of liberalism so I'm not saying it couldn't be even more concentrated than that - but we know 78,000 votes went to Trump and since we don't believe independents went for Trump, and very few liberals probably went against Biden, we can safely assume a max of 320,000 liberal voters in Dane - and that's if 100% of the republicans turned up to vote (and I would find that suspicious). In other words, AT LEAST 80% of the liberal voters in Dane showed up to vote.
 
I think an analysis of the posted number of votes will be futile when we don't even have confidence in the votes that were counted.

For example - this is the typical claim from the GOP (in Nevada here). Seems pretty specific but can it be proven?

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What is the point of comparing vote numbers if some of those votes came from people who died, recently moved away, voted twice, were illegal aliens, used a fictitious address, etc...??

I'd like to see fed investigators (someone/anyone) chase down a bunch of these cases first. Should be easy to resolve many with fed investigative power. I simply can't accept the results with such lingering claims.
 
Let us focus on this county, since it did have a change in percent distribution beyond just some third party switching to Biden and consistent overall total voter turnout.

For reference, Richmond County had 67.9% Biden in 2020, but 65% in 2016. Give 1.3% as described before from third party shift, and you when 66.3%, which is pretty close (1.6%)
This methodology for Cobb would take Biden from 48.8% to 51.6%, which is still nearly 5% off from the 56.3% reported, or well over twice (basically 3x) the discrepancy of Richmond, which was already more left leaning.

Why you guys want to focus on the mundane and make up conspiracy theories that are impossible to prove or disprove for it when we have a much more interesting and objectively strange case to look at is beyond me.

Haven't dug into it yet of course - but Clayton and Fulton County near Cobb seem like potential targets to me - highly populated areas. I would love to get the voter turnout there.
 
Haven't dug into it yet of course - but Clayton and Fulton County near Cobb seem like potential targets to me - highly populated areas. I would love to get the voter turnout there.
My man, I CAN check those, but if you’re going to keep digging into the minutia of the counties showing largely “expected” percent distributions relative to the stage they are in and 2016 data, you’re basically asking me to write an entire thesis paper on every county. As I say, 2 of the 3 counties I looked into trigger few if any alarm bells. I can check those 2, which would bring us to 5 total counties in 2 states, and then we can decide which ones warrant a deeper dive. So far I say 1 of the 3 does, one DEFINITELY does not, and one probably doesn’t. Digging way deep into the least interesting one (WI) that is literally within 1% of the criteria I mentioned seems like a waste of time compared to outlier of Cobb so far. Right?
 
I think an analysis of the posted number of votes will be futile when we don't even have confidence in the votes that were counted.

For example - this is the typical claim from the GOP (in Nevada here). Seems pretty specific but can it be proven?

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What is the point of comparing vote numbers if some of those votes came from people who died, recently moved away, voted twice, were illegal aliens, used a fictitious address, etc...??

I'd like to see fed investigators (someone/anyone) chase down a bunch of these cases first. Should be easy to resolve many with fed investigative power. I simply can't accept the results with such lingering claims.
Have they shown any proof or evidence to warrant looking into these claims? If so, by all means, they should investigate it. But if it’s all purely conjecture, any level of precision in numbers means nothing. I hope you understand what I’m saying. I don’t want to waste my time doing analysis like I am just for you to handwave it as unreliable, even when it matches up very well with 2016 in most cases (2 of 3 so far).
 
Biden got over 80mil votes and is more popular than the Kenyan....bwahahaha let me pick myself off the floor....bwahaha oops I fell back on the floor again. It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that ****.
 
Biden got over 80mil votes and is more popular than the Kenyan....bwahahaha let me pick myself off the floor....bwahaha oops I fell back on the floor again. It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that ****.
Dude, multiple people here are doing actual analysis and gathering objective data and you come here with this drivel... that’s an extra special kind of stupid...
 
Dude, multiple people here are doing actual analysis and gathering objective data and you come here with this drivel... that’s an extra special kind of stupid...

Yeah, I’m not buying it. I don’t even have anything to gain. Whether the child molester is president or trump is, makes none to me. But to think that pedo joe ran a successful campaign doing absolutely nothing but stuttering and bumbling and incoherent ramblings and then has record amounts of people to turn out and vote for his child sniffing, racist, war mongering ass???? Nope.
 
Did you know that the voter registry wasn't updated until November 4th, and that a lot of people are comparing data from pre- November 3rd, which hadn't updated its data since August?

The highest turn out was 90% of total voters, not 100%.
just curious...do you know what turnout was in previous elections, say like going back 10 years?
 
Yeah, I’m not buying it. I don’t even have anything to gain. Whether the child molester is president or trump is, makes none to me. But to think that pedo joe ran a successful campaign doing absolutely nothing but stuttering and bumbling and incoherent ramblings and then has record amounts of people to turn out and vote for his child sniffing, racist, war mongering ass???? Nope.

Stop using common sense. You must over analyze data to make yourself feel better.
 
Yeah, I’m not buying it. I don’t even have anything to gain. Whether the child molester is president or trump is, makes none to me. But to think that pedo joe ran a successful campaign doing absolutely nothing but stuttering and bumbling and incoherent ramblings and then has record amounts of people to turn out and vote for his child sniffing, racist, war mongering ass???? Nope.
His “strategy” was literally “I’m not Trump.” That worked for a lot of people. You can argue it shouldn’t have, but that’s what his strategy was. They’re both horrible speakers.
 
Stop using common sense. You must over analyze data to make yourself feel better.

Maybe I should register a domain with godaddy. Put in a bunch of numbers I pulled straight out of my ass. Then post it on here and make my case, because we know the media and politicians are pillars of truth and they have no reason to ever lie to us or mislead us.
 
His “strategy” was literally “I’m not Trump.” That worked for a lot of people. You can argue it shouldn’t have, but that’s what his strategy was. They’re both horrible speakers.

I can’t imagine that being enough to turn out so many first time voters. The guy never even knew what planet he was on. Numbers from the internet be damned. I hated the Kenyan, but at least I could see the appeal and a reason to bring out the vote. The racist pedophile known as Biden...not so much.
 
Stop using common sense. You must over analyze data to make yourself feel better.
But it’s not “common sense.” It’s a purely subjective opinion. One person can say they won’t vote for senile touchy uncle Joe, and no one would. And the other person can say they won’t vote for racist Trump, and no one would. They’re both subjective takes man. You can’t grasp that OR the concept of conservatism of momentum?
 
My man, I CAN check those, but if you’re going to keep digging into the minutia of the counties showing largely “expected” percent distributions relative to the stage they are in and 2016 data, you’re basically asking me to write an entire thesis paper on every county. As I say, 2 of the 3 counties I looked into trigger few if any alarm bells. I can check those 2, which would bring us to 5 total counties in 2 states, and then we can decide which ones warrant a deeper dive. So far I say 1 of the 3 does, one DEFINITELY does not, and one probably doesn’t. Digging way deep into the least interesting one (WI) that is literally within 1% of the criteria I mentioned seems like a waste of time compared to outlier of Cobb so far. Right?

Yeah, no need to check if you don't want to - I will get to it over the coming days I'm sure. You had asked for more counties and I was pointing out that those have some target characteristics that i would look for.

Your analysis is not accurate because you're looking at percentages, but not the real numbers. The relative increase in votes, AFTER applying your theory that a number of independent voters voted for Biden (and giving them all to him) shows he still had a 25% increase relative to the increase that Trump saw between 2016 and 2020.

If I were to use your logic here, it would appear that 57% of the voters in WI voted for Trump and only 43% voted for Biden, since I'm just looking at percentages and averaging them. But that's not how it works.

It could be that the data for Dane has been updated too - and isn't quite as suspicious now, I will admit that. But given the past analysis of news articles claiming 85-90% voter turnout wasn't suspicious because it was actually 72% because of increased registration, and now the data actually showing a consistent 85%+ voter turnout for almost all counties....that's pretty strange.
 
But it’s not “common sense.” It’s a purely subjective opinion. One person can say they won’t vote for senile touchy uncle Joe, and no one would. And the other person can say they won’t vote for racist Trump, and no one would. They’re both subjective takes man. You can’t grasp that OR the concept of conservatism of momentum?

You make a point although I would call it common sense. Common sense would tell anyone that it is not possible what he managed to pull off. If you look at it analytically based on available information from what we can consider questionable sources then sure it appears he created some sort of movement the likes that Obama and Bernie could never manage to pull off. If we step back and look at it anecdotally...no way this happened legitimately. Now since the media and politicians have completely shattered what little bit of trust normal people had in them, all we have is what we can see and hear.

The numbers can say anything they want them to say. The people publishing the numbers are the same people that non stop lie professionally for a living.
 
Just to highlight what I mean for WI:

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Yeah, no need to check if you don't want to - I will get to it over the coming days I'm sure. You had asked for more counties and I was pointing out that those have some target characteristics that i would look for.

Your analysis is not accurate because you're looking at percentages, but not the real numbers. The relative increase in votes, AFTER applying your theory that a number of independent voters voted for Biden (and giving them all to him) shows he still had a 25% increase relative to the increase that Trump saw between 2016 and 2020.

If I were to use your logic here, it would appear that 57% of the voters in WI voted for Trump and only 43% voted for Biden, since I'm just looking at percentages and averaging them. But that's not how it works.

It could be that the data for Dane has been updated too - and isn't quite as suspicious now, I will admit that. But given the past analysis of news articles claiming 85-90% voter turnout wasn't suspicious because it was actually 72% because of increased registration, and now the data actually showing a consistent 85%+ voter turnout for almost all counties....that's pretty strange.
You’re making some bad assumptions. You don’t apply a NUMBER of independent votes to Biden, you apply a PERCENT of independent votes, as if you have a 20% increase in voter turnout, the safest assumption is that the new voters retain the same percent split as the rest of the voters, or the existing voters from the last election. So you wouldn’t have the same number of independent voters as 2016, you’d have MORE, in proportion to the new number of democrat and Republican voters.

Let use simpler numbers.

100 people. Red had 50, Blue had 45 and Yellow had 5. That’s 50%, 45%, and 5%.

Now we have 150 people. But half of the Yellow now switch to Blue, none to Red, and the other half stick to Yellow. So it would be 75 Red, 67.5 Blue (+3.75 from yellow) = 71.25 for Blue, and 7.5 (-3.75) = 3.75 for Yellow. Good for 50% red. 47.5% blue, and 2.5% yellow. All that happened here is the overall turnout increased proportionally, and half the yellow switched to blue.

So literally all that happened here is the overall distribution remained the same from previous Red and Blue cities remained the same (but grew in overall number), but half of the now larger yellow now switched to Blue.

Using your logic, you would say that blue had a >58% increase in total votes, when mine gives them 2.5% increase in percent of the overall vote.

What you are not accounting in your hyperbolic calculations is that Red also had a 50% increase here, so the “58% increase” for Blue that sounds simply staggering in isolation now seems much more mundane when you see it compared to Red’s 50% increase.

I’m telling you, my analysis of this data is not incorrect in methodology. Argue that you don’t trust the data, or that the change in reporting is bizarre (and show me the old data at 70-something percent), and we can go from there.

But if we make the assumption that if there was, say, 20% more voters in 2020 than 2016, and the new voters had equal party distribution as the rest of the county did in 2016, but half of this new number of independent voters switched to Biden, and none to Trump, THAT is exactly what my calculations show happened in Dane.

But that is NOT AT ALL what they show for Cobb. Therefore Cobb warrants a deep dive.
 
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I can’t imagine that being enough to turn out so many first time voters. The guy never even knew what planet he was on. Numbers from the internet be damned. I hated the Kenyan, but at least I could see the appeal and a reason to bring out the vote. The racist pedophile known as Biden...not so much.
I’m telling you I talked to a LOT of people who said they’re voting AGAINST Trump, not for Biden. Just like people who voted AGAINST Hillary, not for Trump. I literally heard many people say they hate Trump so much that they would vote for anyone over him. Argue that it’s dumb, but it is a VERY common sentiment. Trump is very polarizing, and his actions in the months leading up to the election, well, people who liked him already liked him, and he alienated some people on the fence, so probably hurt his odds a bit there.
 
You make a point although I would call it common sense. Common sense would tell anyone that it is not possible what he managed to pull off. If you look at it analytically based on available information from what we can consider questionable sources then sure it appears he created some sort of movement the likes that Obama and Bernie could never manage to pull off. If we step back and look at it anecdotally...no way this happened legitimately. Now since the media and politicians have completely shattered what little bit of trust normal people had in them, all we have is what we can see and hear.

The numbers can say anything they want them to say. The people publishing the numbers are the same people that non stop lie professionally for a living.
You’re missing that it wasn’t Biden love that for people to vote for Biden, it was Trump hate that got people to vote against Trump by voting for Biden. You could have literally put “not-Trump: candidate to be named later” on the Democrat ticket and many, many people still would have voted for it simply by virtue of if not behind Trump.

You can say it’s dumb, but it is a very real thing.
 
I’m telling you I talked to a LOT of people who said they’re voting AGAINST Trump, not for Biden. Just like people who voted AGAINST Hillary, not for Trump. I literally heard many people say they hate Trump so much that they would vote for anyone over him. Argue that it’s dumb, but it is a VERY common sentiment. Trump is very polarizing, and his actions in the months leading up to the election, well, people who liked him already liked him, and he alienated some people on the fence, so probably hurt his odds a bit there.

I can see that amongst the usual and typical voters. Meaning the people that actually pay attention to politics and show up to vote. Is trump polarizing enough to get this many new voters to hit pause on the kardashians and get off the couch to vote? Also having a hard time wrapping my head around people thinking that he was a better option. One has a well known track record of failed policies, death and destruction, inappropriate behavior while in public office, corruption involving foreign powers, racism and ties to racist organizations, questionable intentions when around small children. The other guy talked like a 4th grader and sent mean tweets...but he didn’t exactly break anything. So what is to be gained?

PS: My bank account is anxiously waiting on the child molester to start up another war. Looking like it’s going to be a busy 4 years for me business wise. Fly out tomorrow as a matter of fact.
 
I can see that amongst the usual and typical voters. Meaning the people that actually pay attention to politics and show up to vote. Is trump polarizing enough to get this many new voters to hit pause on the kardashians and get off the couch to vote? Also having a hard time wrapping my head around people thinking that he was a better option. One has a well known track record of failed policies, death and destruction, inappropriate behavior while in public office, corruption involving foreign powers, racism and ties to racist organizations, questionable intentions when around small children. The other guy talked like a 4th grader and sent mean tweets...but he didn’t exactly break anything. So what is to be gained?

PS: My bank account is anxiously waiting on the child molester to start up another war. Looking like it’s going to be a busy 4 years for me business wise. Fly out tomorrow as a matter of fact.
“Is trump polarizing enough to get this many new voters to hit pause on the kardashians and get off the couch to vote?”

Funny you bring that up. The overwhelming celebrity criticism of Trump and calls to vote him out of office (note they didn’t praise Biden, they slammed Trump) by athletes, actors, singers, and influencers DID get people who worship celebrities but hate politics and are politically illiterate to go out and vote AGAINST Trump, knowing NOTHING about Biden other than he is NOT TRUMP. You just helped explain it.

I know people who said they voted for the first time in their life, not because they like even one thing about Biden, but because they wanted Trump out of office that bad.

Oh, and they didn’t have to get off the couch, they voted by mail lol. No need to pause the Kardashians.
 
I’ve literally been posting the 2016 turnout in every county I’ve analyzed. You can also directly download 2012 data by county too. What is your question?
just looking for abnormalities, i haven't been reading all the posts---today is phenibut and pink floyd/david gilmour day.

so much anger going around---sometimes it's good to step away and just chill.

when i come home
cold and tired
it's good to warm my bones
beside the fire
 
just looking for abnormalities, i haven't been reading all the posts---today is phenibut and pink floyd/david gilmour day.

so much anger going around---sometimes it's good to step away and just chill.

when i come home
cold and tired
it's good to warm my bones
beside the fire
All good. I posted 3 counties, and I argue two were pretty damn expected, and one is abnormal to a degree. But people don’t seem to agree with my metrology or analysis even though I maintain it is the correct methodology. Unless you just don’t trust the data, in which case there’s nothing we can analyze lol.
 
“Is trump polarizing enough to get this many new voters to hit pause on the kardashians and get off the couch to vote?”

Funny you bring that up. The overwhelming celebrity criticism of Trump and calls to vote him out of office (note they didn’t praise Biden, they slammed Trump) by athletes, actors, singers, and influencers DID get people who worship celebrities but hate politics and are politically illiterate to go out and vote AGAINST Trump, knowing NOTHING about Biden other than he is NOT TRUMP. You just helped explain it.

I know people who said they voted for the first time in their life, not because they like even one thing about Biden, but because they wanted Trump out of office that bad.

Oh, and they didn’t have to get off the couch, they voted by mail lol. No need to pause the Kardashians.

What you just said makes a lot of sense...at the same time that is extremely scary as well.
 
What you just said makes a lot of sense...at the same time that is extremely scary as well.
Haha. Maybe the key disconnect here is people not realizing the impact that celebrity opinion has on young people. Given how many young people didn’t regularly vote, or vote at all, this means you could see a surge of them going and voting when urged to by their idols. Add in them being able to vote by mail (and they are legal voters) and you have the perfect storm for a surge of new anti-Trump (not actually pro-Biden) voters. That would explain a LOT without conspiracy, even if it sounds really dumb.
 
I’m telling you I talked to a LOT of people who said they’re voting AGAINST Trump, not for Biden. Just like people who voted AGAINST Hillary, not for Trump. I literally heard many people say they hate Trump so much that they would vote for anyone over him. Argue that it’s dumb, but it is a VERY common sentiment. Trump is very polarizing, and his actions in the months leading up to the election, well, people who liked him already liked him, and he alienated some people on the fence, so probably hurt his odds a bit there.

But we heard the same thing with Bush Jr. ran for election...in my life memory it was the worst time in my memory from wars to the destruction of our civil liberties.....and not enough votes from all the "voting AGAINST Bush" people were able to turn the election, and alot more people seems to like Kerry back then vs. Groper Joe today.

Dump is polarizing, but he still had the most official votes in history (other than lame Groper) which makes this make even less sense.

If I took a wild shot, Id say Dump 75 million, Groper Joe 55 million.
 
What you just said makes a lot of sense...at the same time that is extremely scary as well.
all the more reason to occasionally escape the madness and kick back with some pink floyd/david gilmour and a couple gms of phenibut :)

i've always been mad, i know i've been mad
like most of us, very hard to explain why you're mad.
even if you're not mad....
 
But we heard the same thing with Bush Jr. ran for election...in my life memory it was the worst time in my memory from wars to the destruction of our civil liberties.....and not enough votes from all the "voting AGAINST Bush" people were able to turn the election, and alot more people seems to like Kerry back then vs. Groper Joe today.

Dump is polarizing, but he still had the most official votes in history (other than lame Groper) which makes this make even less sense.

If I took a wild shot, Id say Dump 75 million, Groper Joe 55 million.
Dude, this is a dumb comment, I’m sorry. You think that Hillary got 10,000,000 more votes than Joe? Say what you will about “sleepy Joe,” but “crooked Hillary” was a terrible candidate and many democrats even admit that if they ran ANYONE except her they would have beat Trump. See how subjective this logic is my friend? I 100% believe that more people voted against 2020 “racist” Trump than voted for 2016 “Crooked Hillary.”
 
You’re making some bad assumptions. You don’t apply a NUMBER of independent votes to Biden, you apply a PERCENT of independent votes, as if you have a 20% increase in voter turnout, the safest assumption is that the new voters retain the same percent split as the rest of the voters, or the existing voters from the last election. So you wouldn’t have the same number of independent voters as 2016, you’d have MORE, in proportion to the new number of democrat and Republican voters.

Let use simpler numbers.

100 people. Red had 50, Blue had 45 and Yellow had 5. That’s 50%, 45%, and 5%.

Now we have 150 people. But half of the Yellow now switch to Blue, none to Red, and the other half stick to Yellow. So it would be 75 Red, 67.5 Blue (+3.75 from yellow) = 71.25 for Blue, and 7.5 (-3.75) = 3.75 for Yellow. Good for 50% red. 47.5% blue, and 2.5% yellow. All that happened here is the overall turnout increased proportionally, and half the yellow switched to blue.

So literally all that happened here is the overall distribution remained the same from previous Red and Blue cities remained the same (but grew in overall number), but half of the now larger yellow now switched to Blue.

Using your logic, you would say that blue had a >58% increase in total votes, when mine gives them 2.5% increase in percent of the overall vote.

What you are not accounting in your hyperbolic calculations is that Red also had a 50% increase here, so the “58% increase” for Blue that sounds simply staggering in isolation now seems much more mundane when you see it compared to Red’s 50% increase.

I’m telling you, my analysis of this data is not incorrect in methodology. Argue that you don’t trust the data, or that the change in reporting is bizarre (and show me the old data at 70-something percent), and we can go from there.

But if we make the assumption that if there was, say, 20% more voters in 2020 than 2016, and the new voters had equal party distribution as the rest of the county did in 2016, but half of this new number of independent voters switched to Biden, and none to Trump, THAT is exactly what my calculations show happened in Dane.

But that is NOT AT ALL what they show for Cobb. Therefore Cobb warrants a deep dive.

I appreciate all the analysis and debate on this Muscleupcrohn. I am going to hit pause for a bit for two reasons - time limitations of the day and while I think you're missing a lot of what I'm saying, I want to double check my own math on the independent voters. I think you're missing my point that it appears that Biden has a relative increase in voting that is 25-90% greater than the increase in voting that Trump saw - BUT - I have to check that I didn't make a stupid mistake on the independent voters because I was rushing through the math between work projects. It may be more even then that if I made the mistake I need to look for.
 
I appreciate all the analysis and debate on this Muscleupcrohn. I am going to hit pause for a bit for two reasons - time limitations of the day and while I think you're missing a lot of what I'm saying, I want to double check my own math on the independent voters. I think you're missing my point that it appears that Biden has a relative increase in voting that is 25-90% greater than the increase in voting that Trump saw - BUT - I have to check that I didn't make a stupid mistake on the independent voters because I was rushing through the math between work projects. It may be more even then that if I made the mistake I need to look for.
No worries. I will do the math by hand tonight and screenshot it to show you exactly what I mean. I am pretty confident my methodology was correct, but if I made a mistake when I check tonight I will also let you know.
 
Dude, this is a dumb comment, I’m sorry. You think that Hillary got 10,000,000 more votes than Joe? Say what you will about “sleepy Joe,” but “crooked Hillary” was a terrible candidate and many democrats even admit that if they ran ANYONE except her they would have beat Trump. See how subjective this logic is my friend? I 100% believe that more people voted against 2020 “racist” Trump than voted for 2016 “Crooked Hillary.”

Well if you lay it out like that then, lol

I cant believe we are all arguing about over the hill corrupt senior citizens that may be days away from 6 feet under....why cant normal people be in power?
 
Well if you lay it out like that then, lol

I cant believe we are all arguing about over the hill corrupt senior citizens that may be days away from 6 feet under....why cant normal people be in power?
because no normal people would want to go through what it takes to be in politics today.
 
No worries. I will do the math by hand tonight and screenshot it to show you exactly what I mean. I am pretty confident my methodology was correct, but if I made a mistake when I check tonight I will also let you know.

I don't think your math is "wrong" - I think you may be missing some of my points, but I may be off on one of the calculations because I may have forgot to account for the increase in independents - but I only think that because I started to question it - which would lower the % increase in votes from non-independents from 12.5% and may bring it more in line with the Trump 10% increase...still assuming ALL independents voted for Biden which we know not to be the case, but I'm just trying to establish the relative increases for each party - which I think matters, especially since we're looking at distributions. If the distributions should remain similar, how could blue see a 12.5%-19% increase from 2016 to 2020 while Red only saw 10% (25%-90% difference). But if I forgot to include the increased # of voters in the independent category, I guess that might bring that 12.5% down lower toward the 10% range maybe.

I wish I could find the old data, I posted the article suggesting others found similar numbers in November, I should have been more organized and kept it. But it I am open to the fact, too, that maybe the data in November isn't as good as it is now after everything has been finalized. It definitely looks much different.
 
biden administration plans to remove all senate confirmed US attorneys appointed during the trump administration, with two exceptions, a senior official said.

i just got this from a email sent from yahoo.....
 
I can’t imagine that being enough to turn out so many first time voters. The guy never even knew what planet he was on. Numbers from the internet be damned. I hated the Kenyan, but at least I could see the appeal and a reason to bring out the vote. The racist pedophile known as Biden...not so much.

It was more than enough for most people I know. They didn't vote for Biden because they thought he was a good candidate, rather because it was anyone other than Trump. Also, his followers were a large part of why people wanted him out- at least around here with their strong arming and attempts at intimidating people into voting for him. Blocking roads, insane caravans, showing up at voting centers, stupid truck flags, etc

I think most people were surprised he only got 80mil votes.
 
It was more than enough for most people I know. They didn't vote for Biden because they thought he was a good candidate, rather because it was anyone other than Trump. Also, his followers were a large part of why people wanted him out- at least around here with their strong arming and attempts at intimidating people into voting for him. Blocking roads, insane caravans, showing up at voting centers, stupid truck flags, etc

I think most people were surprised he only got 80mil votes.
didn't you say you voted for trump :ROFLMAO::p;):cool:o_O
 
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