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Oh, maybe they wired up a spare building just in case one of the pilots missed? And the guy with the control panel got confused and hit the third button by accident after the planes hit the other two? Makes sense now.

Larry Siliverstein the owner made the call to blow it up shortly before it went down....at least thats what he claims. I dont think this was a pure traditional controlled demolition either, bombs have been coordinated to be set off over a number of hours.
 
Lol. It's wild, considering not only would most architects not be qualified to speak definitively and authoritatively on catastrophic structural collapse and failure, but neither would most engineers. And of those engineers, only some are civil engineers. And even most of them don't specialize in structural engineering. And even fewer are forensic structural engineers.

But a LOT more people watch YouTube videos. ;)

If you mention building 7 to most architects they wouldnt even know what the fuq your talking about. They barely even mentioned it in the 9/11 commission report and kept mostly heavily censored from MSM.

Come on man.
 
You’re right. You have to be on the ground on earth because humans can’t survive in a vacuum, and probably can’t travel in one either.

Next topic for you. Gravity is a theory. Not a fact. Hope you don’t lose sleep over this fact.
I really don’t think you know what scientific theories and laws are. You can literally demonstrate conservation of momentum with a skateboard and bowling ball in your living room. You can also just watch a cannon recoil after firing. So I guess that’s a government conspiracy too? You’re better than this.
 
A WHOLE WEEK? Imagine what you can do in a month, or a year? You'll be able to get us to Mars and back if you put your mind to it!

But yeah, it's good to be back. Always in good fun with you. ;)

Ive been doing this here for 12 years now. Imagine if you took 12 minutes and looked at the actual science and facts coming from the Architects and Engineers 9/11 truth group, we wouldnt even recognize who you are in 13 minutes here.
 
If you mention building 7 to most architects they wouldnt even know what the fuq your talking about. They barely even mentioned it in the 9/11 commission report and kept mostly heavily censored from MSM.

Come on man.
again, not sure why architects are your go-to for this topic again and again. You’re looking for forensic structural engineers.
 
I really don’t think you know what scientific theories and laws are. You can literally demonstrate conservation of momentum with a skateboard and bowling ball in your living room. You can also just watch a cannon recoil after firing. So I guess that’s a government conspiracy too? You’re better than this.

Here is a scientific law, candle fires destroy massive powerful steel structures and collapse them in even proportions at freefall speed, LMFAO
 
again, not sure why architects are your go-to for this topic again and again. You’re looking for forensic structural engineers.

Your looking for someone with a twig to knock down the General German Tree and claim that to be science, ya know because you are very well educated and qualified to state that as fact.
 
Wrong. You need 8 advanced degrees so you can doubt what your eyes clearly see. Then use said degrees to make yourself feel validated with 20 pages of analytical rambling that still concludes nothing, yet sheep give you likes cause they feel too inferior to form their own opinions
You're not educated enough about space flight to form an opinion on it. No shame in that, but right now you are the epitome of dunning kruger.
 
Your looking for someone with a twig to knock down the General German Tree and claim that to be science, ya know because you are very well educated and qualified to state that as fact.
I’m educated and qualified enough to say that a forensic structural engineer knows more about catastrophic structure failure than an architect, yes...
 
Your looking for someone with a twig to knock down the General German Tree and claim that to be science, ya know because you are very well educated and qualified to state that as fact.
I’m educated and qualified enough to say that a forensic structural engineer knows more about catastrophic structure failure than an architect, yes...
 
again, not sure why architects are your go-to for this topic again and again. You’re looking for forensic structural engineers.

You clearly dont give a shyt or bother to doing any homework because AE911Truth hold events on and with forensic engineering covering 9/11 which maybe you can find on the next calender date and you can contribute something.
 
I’m educated and qualified enough to say that a forensic structural engineer knows more about catastrophic structure failure than an architect, yes...

Thats fantastic, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth are your people to go to then.
 
Agencies track every single piece of space debris they find, right down to a screw, because in a vacuum their velocities are astronomical and even a screw travelling at 30,000km/hr can puncture a giant hole in a spaceship.

Newtons third law absolutely applies in space. In space, without air resistance or gravity, objects can maintain high velocity as there are no opposing forces to counteract it, however a jet engine forces full outwards which drives the rocket in the opposite direction. You don't need much force to change the trajectory or even constant thrust (just a waste of fuel).

I don't understand how anyone thinks this disproves space travel?
 
I’m educated and qualified enough to say that a forensic structural engineer knows more about catastrophic structure failure than an architect, yes...

They do the Forensic Engineering Congress every 3 years, the last one was in 2018 so you can see if they do one this year and you can go if your passionate about the subject and debating your theories how matchsticks destroy skyskrapers.
 
You’re right. You have to be on the ground on earth because humans can’t survive in a vacuum, and probably can’t travel in one either.

Next topic for you. Gravity is a theory. Not a fact. Hope you don’t lose sleep over this fact.
There is a law of gravitation and a theory of gravitation man.
 
I’m educated and qualified enough to say that a forensic structural engineer knows more about catastrophic structure failure than an architect, yes...

Scott Grainger, F.P.E., Fire Protection/Forensic/Civil Engineer

Scott Grainger, is a fire protection engineer who holds licenses in 13 states. He has been a practicing engineering for 39 years, the last 25 of them in private practice. Half of his practice is in forensic engineering.

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According to NIST, the failure occurred at column 79 on level 12. This means basically they're talking about a single columnar collapse, or failure, that resulted in a total collapse of the building. That just does not make any sense.

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They do the Forensic Engineering Congress every 3 years, the last one was in 2018 so you can see if they do one this year and you can go if your passionate about the subject and debating your theories how matchsticks destroy skyskrapers.
When did I EVER say I have a theory explaining it? I'm pretty sure I have repeated ad nauseum that I have no idea, only that I know enough to know I do not know. I'm frankly VERY impressed that you and Thor are able to TOTALLY understand the nuances of the topic to be so conclusive in your assertations though. These people must be the best teachers on earth to be able to clearly explain these topics to people with no engineering background at all.
 
Scott Grainger, F.P.E., Fire Protection/Forensic/Civil Engineer

Scott Grainger, is a fire protection engineer who holds licenses in 13 states. He has been a practicing engineering for 39 years, the last 25 of them in private practice. Half of his practice is in forensic engineering.

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According to NIST, the failure occurred at column 79 on level 12. This means basically they're talking about a single columnar collapse, or failure, that resulted in a total collapse of the building. That just does not make any sense.

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Oh my god. ONE structural engineer? His word MUST be Gospel! I think we should just drop this now. It hasn't been productive in a LONG TIME.
 
You're not educated enough about space flight to form an opinion on it. No shame in that, but right now you are the epitome of dunning kruger.
This. Dude not only claims to not understand simple real-world examples, but misses that one doesn't even need a vacuum to be tested and demonstrated, and somehow thinks he can still disprove the moon landing based on some "evidence." It's wild.
 
Oh my god. ONE structural engineer? His word MUST be Gospel! I think we should just drop this now. It hasn't been productive in a LONG TIME.

About 200 forensic engineers were involved with the 8th congress in 2018. There are over 3,000 other engineers, architects, and related professional fields. You bitched about the lack of forensic engineering, I posted one of them and informed you a SPECIFIC forensic engineering conference is held every 3 years, that you would be welcome to attend there and a couple of hundred forensic engineers were involved with the last event and will more than likely be there to support the science and facts the next one.
 
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The Bigfoot kooks will tell you the FBI supports Bigfoot as real. Because one (1) FBI guy thought there might be something to the footprints.

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Every group has a wacko fringe. If you don't see it.... it's likely you.
 
When did I EVER say I have a theory explaining it? I'm pretty sure I have repeated ad nauseum that I have no idea, only that I know enough to know I do not know. I'm frankly VERY impressed that you and Thor are able to TOTALLY understand the nuances of the topic to be so conclusive in your assertations though. These people must be the best teachers on earth to be able to clearly explain these topics to people with no engineering background at all.

Ok I get it, your another one who wasnt aware a 3rd building collapsed in impossible ways on 9/11.

You get a pass this time.
 
The Bigfoot kooks will tell you the FBI supports Bigfoot as real. Because one (1) FBI guy thought there might be something to the footprints.

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Every group has a wacko fringe. If you don't see it.... it's likely you.

As I stated last week....this is typical psychops trolls way of discrediting legit facts. One questions an official story, and someone comes in and says they believe in the marshmallow man.

Your lucky my baby dinosaur is out at a football party tonight. Im not so lucky that he is coming back and he doesnt believe in maks.
 
He's not really doing it. Government trolls are altering his posts to undermine his argument.
This. But seriously, why is no one factoring in the chem-trail ingredients every plane has? Do we know what temperature they burn at? If they explode? And what about the Jewish Space Lasers? Maybe the towers actually burnt down from space lasers?
 
This. But seriously, why is no one factoring in the chem-trail ingredients every plane has? Do we know what temperature they burn at? If they explode? And what about the Jewish Space Lasers? Maybe the towers actually burnt down from space lasers?

Conspiracies tend to be overly redundant. If the double-secret CIA demo job was real, you wouldn't need two assassin jets slamming into the buildings, and a Jewish Lazer space cannon frying cars on the FDR (*for a reason never even suggested)
 
Conspiracies tend to be overly redundant. If the double-secret CIA demo job was real, you wouldn't need two assassin jets slamming into the buildings, and a Jewish Lazer space cannon frying cars on the FDR (*for a reason never even suggested)
It's all just to keep us meatbags distracted so we don't realize it's really the crab people and the mole people vying for superiority under our very feet.
 
Haha. At Church someone told me that they didn't believe in evolution because "Pokemon isn't real," and "we can't just grow claws like Wolverine, or a longer neck to reach higher trees." He didn't know that evolution in actual science isn't Pokemon's "evolution," which is actually metamorphosis, and that evolution isn't some deliberate process to adapt ideally to external circumstances, it's a random process where genetic deviation and variation and nature team up to slowly and brutally kill off the least suited to survive while sparing the most suited, allowing these random but conditionally desirable variations to spread and reproduce and adapt over many, many hundreds or thousands of years. But if the Church taught him his whole life that "evolution is like Pokemon" then OF COURSE he'd say it's nonsense and immediately dismiss it without even looking into it further. Making a straw man to dismiss opposition and argue against something that doesn't even exist is a great way to indoctrinate people.
when i attended columban college in the rp a priest told me that i should pray for understanding and guidance before reading the bible.

he gave me this advice after several arguements with the nuns teaching theology class-columban college was/is a catholic school named after saint columban.
 
when i attended columban college in the rp a priest told me that i should pray for understanding and guidance before reading the bible.

he gave me this advice after several arguements with the nuns teaching theology class-columban college was/is a catholic school named after saint columban.
Yes, that is true, but sometimes you should also read historical and academic supporting literature and linguistic analysis to get a better picture of the context and history of the Bible and its translations. But the two are not mutually exclusive I suppose.

You have heard the "Judas hanged himself, go and do the same" parable, right?
 
Yes, that is true, but sometimes you should also read historical and academic supporting literature and linguistic analysis to get a better picture of the context and history of the Bible and its translations. But the two are not mutually exclusive I suppose.

You have heard the "Judas hanged himself, go and do the same" parable, right?
i love history and it has never interfered with my belief in GOD.

no, i've never heard that judas parable.
 
i love history and it has never interfered with my belief in GOD.

no, i've never heard that judas parable.
Oh, I don't AT ALL mean that studying history will disprove God. I mean that it can give a better history of what things in the Bible are products of their time, mistranslations, etc. That IN NO WAY disproves God, or even comes close. Believing in God is purely a matter of faith, and cannot be proved or disproved.

The story/parable is really about the importance of context when reading the Bible.

One account puts it as follows:
Many have heard the story of the man whose devotional reading consisted of cracking his Bible at random and reading the first verse his finger touched. One morning this was his verse for the day: "And Judas went out and hanged himself."
That can't be it, he thought. So he tried again. "Go thou and do likewise" was his second hit.

Chagrined, he thought,The third time is a charm! It wasn't. It read: "What thou doest, do quickly!"
 
Oh, I don't AT ALL mean that studying history will disprove God. I mean that it can give a better history of what things in the Bible are products of their time, mistranslations, etc. That IN NO WAY disproves God, or even comes close. Believing in God is purely a matter of faith, and cannot be proved or disproved.

The story/parable is really about the importance of context when reading the Bible.

One account puts it as follows:
agreed...and the quote makes prayer for guidance and understanding before reading the bible even better advice from the priest. :)
 
I think we should all redirect our focus to the the latest domestic terrorist attack on our capital that claimed the lives of zero politicians, and delayed the comfirmation of an illegitimate and incompetent president by a few hours.

How will our country ever recover from such an act 😮
 
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Conspiracies tend to be overly redundant. If the double-secret CIA demo job was real, you wouldn't need two assassin jets slamming into the buildings, and a Jewish Lazer space cannon frying cars on the FDR (*for a reason never even suggested)

Direct Energy Weapons System, Microwave, Plasma and Particle Beams....something along there, its hard to prove exactly what was used but there is alarming evidence from the 1,200 toasted cars around manhatten as far out as the FDR.

But yet, if you think hitting a building with a jet would cause a car from 7 blocks away to have metal scorched and the wiper blades and tires still in great shape rock your boat.

Alot of this stuff was invented by Nicola Tesla.

The two assassin jets were genius, it worked. Im still shocked people buy the official story on how they collapsed after all these years, but then again 180 million people voted for Demicans and Republicrats last year so maybe I shouldnt be surprised.

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I think we all should all redirect our focus to the the latest domestic terrorist attack on our capital that claimed the lives of zero politicians, and delayed the inauguration of an illegitimate and incompetent president by a few hours.

How will our country ever recover from such an act 😮

CiaNN already declared that millions of Dump voters some how dont want him to run again in 4 years!

Groper just got in and they already are rigging the next election with MSM press-titutes.
 
This. But seriously, why is no one factoring in the chem-trail ingredients every plane has? Do we know what temperature they burn at? If they explode? And what about the Jewish Space Lasers? Maybe the towers actually burnt down from space lasers?

The scientists do know how hot jet fuel burns and the temperatures that it takes to melt metal, but I guess you dont care much for the foundry of lava found at the bottom of the WTC site and fires that lasted over 8 weeks.

Steel melts at 2,850 degrees, twice the temperature of WTC 1 and 2 fires. Jet fuel's max burn is 1,800 degrees.

You can wonder off to chem trails all you want to discredit the evidence, but Im all about science and facts here.

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The scientists do know how hot jet fuel burns and the temperatures that it takes to melt metal, but I guess you dont care much for the foundry of lava found at the bottom of the WTC site and fires that lasted over 8 weeks.

Steel melts at 2,850 degrees, twice the temperature of WTC 1 and 2 fires. Jet fuel's max burn is 1,800 degrees.

You can wonder off to chem trails all you want to discredit the evidence, but Im all about science and facts here.

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Seems to me that both your facts and logic are off here. Aren't you claiming nano-thermite materials are the literal smoking gun? Those typically, while having a low ignition point, have a lower burning temperature than jet fuel, which burns at 2500K (about 2230 C). In the open air it will be a bit lower, but nano-thermite is even lower than that at about 1000 C.

Second, you talk about molten metal, but then say that steel melts at 2800 C and then claim the fire wasn't hot enough. Well, if there was molten metal, the steel was melted and thus we know the fire was hot, but still...not really sure what this has to do with helping your cause.

You are also ignoring the fact that steel does not have to MELT to become malleable. Steel will fold and flex very easily at these temperatures - making it not suitable for holding up massive loads. Steel will bend at low temps once the loads become to great for the strength. A falling building will have loads falling in the floors below that are crashing down with momentum into areas that are not carefully positioned over support, causing breakage even without temperatures.

I am not even an engineer and I can see all that just from my experience working on houses.

You don't even see how your own arguments weaken your other arguments. I am MORE confident now that it WASN'T a gov't job than I was before hearing all of your views on this, sorry.
 
Every bogus conspiracy can be disproven. But some just won't let go of the fairytale. Giving up on Santa is heartbreaking for kids, but its a necessary part of growing up.

Here is the real story about that diagonal cut beam. Cut days/weeks after the towers fell as part of the cleanup operation.

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The space weapon storyline burning cars is utterly ridiculous. A space weapon could exist, sure, but no one with an ounce of common sense thinks it would be used to fry a bunch of cars on the FDR for no reason at all. LOL

Further investigation shows those cars were MOVED there during the 9/11 cleanup operation. Photos are not dated until AFTER 9/11, pictures show tire tracks on the road from heavy equipment (that carried the burned cars there), and some burned vehicles even showed forklift damaged from being lifted and moved. Sheeeesh!
 
Seems to me that both your facts and logic are off here. Aren't you claiming nano-thermite materials are the literal smoking gun? Those typically, while having a low ignition point, have a lower burning temperature than jet fuel, which burns at 2500K (about 2230 C). In the open air it will be a bit lower, but nano-thermite is even lower than that at about 1000 C.

Second, you talk about molten metal, but then say that steel melts at 2800 C and then claim the fire wasn't hot enough. Well, if there was molten metal, the steel was melted and thus we know the fire was hot, but still...not really sure what this has to do with helping your cause.

You are also ignoring the fact that steel does not have to MELT to become malleable. Steel will fold and flex very easily at these temperatures - making it not suitable for holding up massive loads. Steel will bend at low temps once the loads become to great for the strength. A falling building will have loads falling in the floors below that are crashing down with momentum into areas that are not carefully positioned over support, causing breakage even without temperatures.

I am not even an engineer and I can see all that just from my experience working on houses.

You don't even see how your own arguments weaken your other arguments. I am MORE confident now that it WASN'T a gov't job than I was before hearing all of your views on this, sorry.

Im about to step out so Ill try to make this quick and clarify.

Scientists found nano-thermite at the wtc site, and that NIST the official government agency claimed they never even bothered checking for explosives at the crime scene. This needs to be accounted for. Is it smoking gun? I have no clue to be honest other than its one of many pieces of evidence. The smoking gun I have claimed was the overall collapse of the WTC7 building, Im in firm believe that the NIST's explanation of its freefall collapse came from fires is impossible, but there was a controlled demolition of some sorts. How they did it specifically I dunno. My direct energy weapons I fear not bring that up, but its a possibility, but surely further from smoking gun evidence. I hope you dont cling to that as the primary backbone of my entire 9/11 truth message but just something I have thrown out there to ponder about.

What Im trying to say about molten steel is if jet fuel burns at 1800 degrees and there was alot of molten metal, why question is why? Was it the nano-thermite? Something else? I dunno. Im skeptical that it didnt happen from other man-made causes.

I know I go over the top when I do some trolling (its all meant out of my own honesty and to make a point) but I think there are an astronomical amount of legitimate questions about 9/11 vs. the official story.

Do we know all the answers as to who, what, when or why? No, but we can see for certain the official story is full of lies all across the board.
 
Every bogus conspiracy can be disproven. But some just won't let go of the fairytale. Giving up on Santa is heartbreaking for kids, but its a necessary part of growing up.

Here is the real story about that diagonal cut beam. Cut days/weeks after the towers fell as part of the cleanup operation.

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The space weapon storyline burning cars is utterly ridiculous. A space weapon could exist, sure, but no one with an ounce of common sense thinks it would be used to fry a bunch of cars on the FDR for no reason at all. LOL

Further investigation shows those cars were MOVED there during the 9/11 cleanup operation. Photos are not dated until AFTER 9/11, pictures show tire tracks on the road from heavy equipment (that carried the burned cars there), and some burned vehicles even showed forklift damaged from being lifted and moved. Sheeeesh!

Well it’s like when you put a soda can on a paper plate and put it in a microwave, what happens? The toasted cars are fairly well documented and were not caused by regular fires, that also includes the ones that were moved.
 
The scientists do know how hot jet fuel burns and the temperatures that it takes to melt metal, but I guess you dont care much for the foundry of lava found at the bottom of the WTC site and fires that lasted over 8 weeks.

Steel melts at 2,850 degrees, twice the temperature of WTC 1 and 2 fires. Jet fuel's max burn is 1,800 degrees.

You can wonder off to chem trails all you want to discredit the evidence, but Im all about science and facts here.

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This was a joke about chemtrails, not jet fuel, and not a serious comment by any stretch of the imagination... I’d have thought you of all people would have at least a little sense of humor.
 
But there WAS NO NANO-THERMITE. It was never proven, tested, and confirmed by peer reviewed science. It never happened other than youtube videos and fans who cling to pseudo-science.

Read here and learn.

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So any storyline that uses nanothermite is garbage should never be repeated.
 
But there WAS NO NANO-THERMITE. It was never proven, tested, and confirmed by peer reviewed science. It never happened other than youtube videos and fans who cling to pseudo-science.

Read here and learn.

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So any storyline that uses nanothermite is garbage should never be repeated.
People just throw a myriad of points at you, rapid fire, so by the time you’ve poked holes in one point, they’ve already thrown ten more at you, so it seems like you’re behind and struggling to keep up, when in reality the argument shouldn’t be continued past the first point until it has been agreed upon to be valid, as any points that build on that one must inherently be rejected if the initial premise they build on is also rejected. This is why it is vital to not concede an early point to go to the next one, as by conceding an early point that is invalid, you lend credibility to the rest of the argument building on a faulty foundation. Many Ancient Greek philosophers such as Epictetus talk about the importance of this in debates. So they throw 10 points at you, and you disprove the first one, but they say “well the other 9 are valid.” Well the other 9 built from that first premise that is wrong, so it’s not 9 of 10 correct, it’s 1 of 1 incorrect and 9 that are now not even worth entertaining. But the casual observer will see it as “well he’s still right on 9 of 10 things, so maybe there is something here, since 9/10 is an A grade.”
 
CiaNN already declared that millions of Dump voters some how dont want him to run again in 4 years!

Groper just got in and they already are rigging the next election with MSM press-titutes.
from my limited knowledge about how it really works, i am under the impression that there are people in different professions who are available to testify in courtrooms in any way that is profitable to them....i feel that many of the so called experts you see giving their opinions on main stream media are paid to give opinions with the slant that will promote the agenda that the particular media outlet paying them is trying to promote.

there really isn't ANY media outlet that i trust to give me the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...and in all honesty there hasn't been for quite some time.


i like that---msm press-titutes
 
But there WAS NO NANO-THERMITE. It was never proven, tested, and confirmed by peer reviewed science. It never happened other than youtube videos and fans who cling to pseudo-science.

Read here and learn.

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So any storyline that uses nanothermite is garbage should never be repeated.

I dunno, maybe maybe not. Its a debated issue I guess. The original scientists detected it, so 10 years later some debunk group wants to debunk it with some challenge. What we dont know is what role it played that day, thats a hard one but it would be effective. I mean you be the judge. Whats not a debate is that brush fires cant take a strong steal structure down at freefall speed.
 
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