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THOR 70 said:
Going high up in a weather balloon proves nothing about space or nasa. I get how it makes you feel good tho. Have you personally done your little moon laser trick? That would be pretty cool to see but I’ll bet it’s more of a neat thought. I do wish I had tens of thousands of dollars to spend on telescopes/etc to explore the skies
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Again, you are disconnected from what actual observations can bring for benefits. I do think you are maybe getting grouped into a flat earthen group that I don't think is what you are saying...in which case climbing a tree or placing sticks in the ground can show you that the earth is round. But I don't think you are making that claim.

However, think about what you are saying - we can ALMOST get off this planet with MINIMAL technology. You don't think that $325B could create the tech necessary to bridge the gap into outpace?

And do you think we have gone into outer space at all? Or just that we have not gone to the moon?

because getting into outer space and being able to survive in the vacuum is really 90% of the battle in getting to the moon. We didn't even need to use modern physics to get us there- Newton's laws were enough.

plus,, as Newton's laws state, an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by another force. So if you accelerate fast enough to break the Earth's pull, once you hit vacuum there is nothing working to slow you down...so you will just keep speeding away. The only energy you need from there is thrusters to redirect.

In other words, I doubt you think we have never gone into space, and if you believe that it is NOT a big jump to get to the moon. Really, the same stuff that gets us into space will take us anywhere. The big factor after that just becomes time...going to Mars will take a lot longer than the moon and the increase in required resources becomes difficult.

ax1 said:
I missed your post, I had similar thoughts. 18,000 children die every day of starvation and malnutrition and people only want money printed when it buys them a new 4k TV or watch them colonize Mars so they can move there but keep us here to die.

In addition, 69 and 72 the US dollar was backed by gold, now its not thanks to Dick Nixon. Now they print the crap out of thin air digitally and dont even waste expenses on paper. Its ridiculous.
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Who cares if money is backed by gold really? In reality, gold isn't all that useful and it is just another arbitrary human construct that it has value.

Now back money with natural gas or oil, etc. And we might have another thing to talk about.
 
THOR 70 said:
I almost asked but this is exactly why your are so passionate. The hoax was formed your mind when you were most impressionable as a child. I mean no disrespect
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This is beyond dumb. You are better than this. His passion or lack of passion does not change the reality of the situation. His point is valid. If the US faked it to win the Space Race, surely Russia would call the BS out of it was BS, which would allow them time to win it while ALSO having the more impactful effect of planting HUGE seeds of doubt in the public and destroying their trust of the government and media. Even today, this would apply to Russia, China, North Korea, etc. who all stand to gain a lot by totally undermining the US population’s trust in their government by exposing what you claim is a decades old lie. The fact that no other country with a contentious relation up with the US at any time since the landing has contested it in a meaningful degree is compelling support that it actually did happen.
 
ax1 said:
I missed your post, I had similar thoughts. 18,000 children die every day of starvation and malnutrition and people only want money printed when it buys them a new 4k TV or watch them colonize Mars so they can move there but keep us here to die.

In addition, 69 and 72 the US dollar was backed by gold, now its not thanks to Dick Nixon. Now they print the crap out of thin air digitally and dont even waste expenses on paper. Its ridiculous.
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you are willing to have your taxes doubled to end world hunger?


you know as well as i do the if we dedicated $380billion to ending world hunger that maybe $3.80 would actually reach those in need.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This is beyond dumb. You are better than this. His passion or lack of passion does not change the reality of the situation. His point is valid. If the US faked it to win the Space Race, surely Russia would call the BS out of it was BS, which would allow them time to win it while ALSO having the more impactful effect of planting HUGE seeds of doubt in the public and destroying their trust of the government and media. Even today, this would apply to Russia, China, North Korea, etc. who all stand to gain a lot by totally undermining the US population’s trust in their government by exposing what you claim is a decades old lie. The fact that no other country with a contentious relation up with the US at any time since the landing has contested it in a meaningful degree is compelling support that it actually did happen.
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man, i'm really glad to have you back---missed you.

hope all is well!!!!
 
HIT4ME said:
Again, you are disconnected from what actual observations can bring for benefits. I do think you are maybe getting grouped into a flat earthen group that I don't think is what you are saying...in which case climbing a tree or placing sticks in the ground can show you that the earth is round. But I don't think you are making that claim.

However, think about what you are saying - we can ALMOST get off this planet with MINIMAL technology. You don't think that $325B could create the tech necessary to bridge the gap into outpace?

And do you think we have gone into outer space at all? Or just that we have not gone to the moon?

because getting into outer space and being able to survive in the vacuum is really 90% of the battle in getting to the moon. We didn't even need to use modern physics to get us there- Newton's laws were enough.

plus,, as Newton's laws state, an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by another force. So if you accelerate fast enough to break the Earth's pull, once you hit vacuum there is nothing working to slow you down...so you will just keep speeding away. The only energy you need from there is thrusters to redirect.

In other words, I doubt you think we have never gone into space, and if you believe that it is NOT a big jump to get to the moon. Really, the same stuff that gets us into space will take us anywhere. The big factor after that just becomes time...going to Mars will take a lot longer than the moon and the increase in required resources becomes difficult.



Who cares if money is backed by gold really? In reality, gold isn't all that useful and it is just another arbitrary human construct that it has value.

Now back money with natural gas or oil, etc. And we might have another thing to talk about.
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Honest question that I don’t understand. How do thrusters work in a vacuum? If there is no particles to push against, how does “thrust” even exist? I’m just randomly pondering this and haven’t looked into it so if it’s simple feel free to rake me over the coals
 
BamBam54 said:
That video doesn't show anything. Literally. There are NO wires seen. You can't just claim there are wires based on a random hand movement or shirt pucker. You can't hand select 3 minutes of video clips from a YouTube kook to DENY thousands of hours of video from space station missions verified by hundreds of experts. That kind of selective self-deception is not healthy.
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This reminds me of people who watch a 30 minute YouTube video on 9-11 and suddenly are confident enough to claim that the building’s collapse wasn’t consistent with what would have happened had there not been some “foul play.” I have a degree in civil engineering and have taken courses on steel design, statics, dynamics, foundation engineering, strength of materials, etc, and I have NO IDEA to speak even somewhat confidently on such a nuanced, complex, and multi-faceted topic with any level of certainty, yet alone absolute certainty as people who watch a few conspiracy theory videos seem to do.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This reminds me of people who watch a 30 minute YouTube video on 9-11 and suddenly are confident enough to claim that the building’s collapse wasn’t consistent with what would have happened had there not been some “foul play.” I have a degree in civil engineering and have taken courses on steel design, statics, dynamics, foundation engineering, strength of materials, etc, and I have NO IDEA to speak even somewhat confidently on such a nuanced, complex, and multi-faceted topic with any level of certainty, yet alone absolute certainty as people who watch a few conspiracy theory videos seem to do.
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Perfect example of how scientism has made you insecure to trust your own observations that the building didn’t collapse naturally looking but was clearly demolished.

Not throwing shade just saying scientism is very good at using insane complexity to make people feel too dumb to even trust their own observations
 
THOR 70 said:
Honest question that I don’t understand. How do thrusters work in a vacuum? If there is no particles to push against, how does “thrust” even exist? I’m just randomly pondering this and haven’t looked into it so if it’s simple feel free to rake me over the coals
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THOR 70 said:
Perfect example of how scientism has made you insecure to trust your own observations that the building didn’t collapse naturally looking but was clearly demolished.
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Lol what? Or I just don’t exemplify the Dunning-Kruger effect and assume that cursory surface knowledge (at best) is sufficient to make extraordinary claims with.

How the hell can you claim to know what a natural building collapse must inherently always look like. Have you seen a lot of extraordinarily tall buildings collapse from being hit with an airplane in your life to say this one looked abnormal? Have you never seen anything in your life that seems counterintuitive? I guess not.

If you “trust your own observations” regarding structural design and failure you’re going to have a BAD time, and probably lose your license when every structure you build fails catastrophically because SO MANY engineering, physics, dynamics, etc. principles are VERY counterintuitive, and not at all directly observable.

But please, continue to lecture me on the intricacies of civil engineering...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This is beyond dumb. You are better than this. His passion or lack of passion does not change the reality of the situation. His point is valid. If the US faked it to win the Space Race, surely Russia would call the BS out of it was BS, which would allow them time to win it while ALSO having the more impactful effect of planting HUGE seeds of doubt in the public and destroying their trust of the government and media. Even today, this would apply to Russia, China, North Korea, etc. who all stand to gain a lot by totally undermining the US population’s trust in their government by exposing what you claim is a decades old lie. The fact that no other country with a contentious relation up with the US at any time since the landing has contested it in a meaningful degree is compelling support that it actually did happen.
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Adding your additional perceptions and opinions as facts don’t make the initial claim true/untrue. People ARE blinded by passion and emotion these days. Logic is very rare

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
 
THOR 70 said:
Adding your additional perceptions and opinions as facts don’t make the initial claim true/untrue. People ARE blinded by passion and emotion these days. Logic is very rare

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
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So please explain why Russia, China, and/or North Korea haven’t exposed the decades old US lie and undermined the people’s faith in their government, media, and science?

When you hear hoofbeats, think horse, not zebra and you’ll usually be right.

But in your case, you’re not just thinking zebra, you’re thinking Bigfoot and Elvis riding a unicorn.

Edit: and in the days of social and global media uncontrolled by the US government, how do you propose the US government would shield its citizens from hearing ANYTHING from other counties that also have access to the literal WORLDWIDE web?
 
on july 20, 1969 astronaunts neil armstrong and edwin aldrin became the first humans to land on and walk on the moon....that is all!!!!

51 years later i remember watching this on our big black and white console television and it remains one of the proudest moments of my life as a American.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
So please explain why Russia, China, and/or North Korea haven’t exposed the decades old US lie and undermined the people’s faith in their government, media, and science?

When you hear hoofbeats, think horse, not zebra and you’ll usually be right.

But in your case, you’re not just thinking zebra, you’re thinking Bigfoot and Elvis riding a unicorn.

Edit: and in the days of social and global media uncontrolled by the US government, how do you propose the US government would shield its citizens from hearing ANYTHING from other counties that also have access to the literal WORLDWIDE web?
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as someone who was actually alive at the time i can tell you that the race to be 1st to walk on the moon was very heated....there is no way in HELL the russians would have let us get away with a hoax---armstrong and aldrin threw mud in the russians faces!!!
 
thebigt said:
as someone who was actually alive at the time i can tell you that the race to be 1st to walk on the moon was very heated....there is no way in HELL the russians would have let us get away with a hoax---armstrong and aldrin threw mud in the russians faces!!!
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Exactly. It would be like if in today’s Super Bowl the Bucs beat the Chiefs, but the Chiefs have proof the Bucs cheated, and they decide not to EVER reveal it. It makes zero sense.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Exactly. It would be like if in today’s Super Bowl the Bucs beat the Chiefs, but the Chiefs have proof the Bucs cheated, and they decide not to EVER reveal it. It makes zero sense.
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there was way more at stake than the outcome of a stupid football game.

650 million viewers worldwide watched the moon walk. i truly feel it would have been much more if television were more available in third world countries back then---even in the 80's television sets were few and far between in the phillipines.
 
thebigt said:
there was way more at stake than the outcome of a stupid football game.

650 million viewers worldwide watched the moon walk. i truly feel it would have been much more if television were more available in third world countries back then---even in the 80's television sets were few and far between in the phillipines.
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Exactly. And imagine if Russia was able to prove that it was fake. Not only would they be back in the race, but they'd have undermined, if not entirely shattered, the US population's faith in their government, media, and science. It would have been an absolute one-in-a-lifetime opportunity for them to deal a devastating blow to the US with VERY LITTLE effort at all.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Exactly. And imagine if Russia was able to prove that it was fake. Not only would they be back in the race, but they'd have undermined, if not entirely shattered, the US population's faith in their government, media, and science. It would have been an absolute one-in-a-lifetime opportunity for them to deal a devastating blow to the US with VERY LITTLE effort at all.
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absolutely...today it is hard to imagine what was to be gained by being 1st to walk on the moon. in 1960 the russians had a overwhelming advantage over our space program, for us to get on the moon 1st was a MAJOR setback to the russians---it was like soupy sales throwing a pie in their face!!!
 
thebigt said:
absolutely...today it is hard to imagine what was to be gained by being 1st to walk on the moon. in 1960 the russians had a overwhelming advantage over our space program, for us to get on the moon 1st was a MAJOR setback to the russians---it was like soupy sales throwing a pie in their face!!!
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Winning the Space Race and Rocky beating Drago won the Cold War after all.
 
THOR 70 said:
Going high up in a weather balloon proves nothing about space or nasa. I get how it makes you feel good tho. Have you personally done your little moon laser trick? That would be pretty cool to see but I’ll bet it’s more of a neat thought. I do wish I had tens of thousands of dollars to spend on telescopes/etc to explore the skies
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Yes I have lol.

We have a observatories that let you use their equipment if you book.

Just because you haven't doesn't mean it isn't true
 
THOR 70 said:
Adding your additional perceptions and opinions as facts don’t make the initial claim true/untrue. People ARE blinded by passion and emotion these days. Logic is very rare

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
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Not all evidence is equal. You posting a YouTube video is not equivocal counter evidence to the countless studies and evidence that actually exists in favour of an argument.

People really do not seem to understand this. All evidence is not equal and people need to stop pretending it is.
 
thebigt said:
dang, thanks for reminding me...forgot all about rocky beating drago, that was a true turning point to be sure!!!!
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Watch, people will be saying that was faked soon too! It's not like there's a statue of Rocky in Philly, or that Rocky is in the Boxing Hall of Fame or anything!
 
Jiigzz said:
Not all evidence is equal. You posting a YouTube video is not equivocal counter evidence to the countless studies and evidence that actually exists in favour of an argument.

People really do not seem to understand this. All evidence is not equal and people need to stop pretending it is.
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Thank you! People don't understand the burden of proof, or that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
 
Jiigzz said:
Yes I have lol.

We have a observatories that let you use their equipment if you book.

Just because you haven't doesn't mean it isn't true
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even back in 70-80's navy ship bridge lookout posts on port and starboard sides had big eyes-electronic binoculars....amazing the things you could see. i can only imagine what they have now!!!
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This reminds me of people who watch a 30 minute YouTube video on 9-11 and suddenly are confident enough to claim that the building’s collapse wasn’t consistent with what would have happened had there not been some “foul play.” I have a degree in civil engineering and have taken courses on steel design, statics, dynamics, foundation engineering, strength of materials, etc, and I have NO IDEA to speak even somewhat confidently on such a nuanced, complex, and multi-faceted topic with any level of certainty, yet alone absolute certainty as people who watch a few conspiracy theory videos seem to do.
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And he just walks back in the room, casually takes the stage, picks up the mic, does his thing, and drops the mic before walking off the stage. Good to have you back! Where you been?.

THOR 70 said:
Adding your additional perceptions and opinions as facts don’t make the initial claim true/untrue. People ARE blinded by passion and emotion these days. Logic is very rare

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
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Muscleupcrohn stole my thunder on the thrusters. No offense here - I applaud you for asking the question and that is how we should learn - but you have just given a perfect example about why you shouldn't be lecturing on the abnormal physics of a moon landing video. We all have blind spots and you are making decisions without a pre-requisite understanding. This is not to imply any stupidity. My recent obsession - Thomas Sowell - talks about this a lot. He seems to get a kick out of how an expert in one field will often pretend that their knowledge allows them to be an expert in another field - think Noam Chomsky. The fact is, even the smartest people don't have even 1% of the knowledge that is necessary for the world as a whole to function.

But while lacking the pre-requisite knowledge, you seem to be smart enough to have skepticism, which is good - but you are applying that skepticism against knowledge without a foundation for your skepticism to stand on.

Let's step back for a moment and analyze your argument - I believe you are suggesting that we have never made it to the moon and it was all a hoax, correct?

You claim that people in "my camp" are not applying logic and falling for lies.

What exactly is the "logic" that you are applying? Can you lay it out, not so I can tear it apart, but so that we can discuss it and maybe I can learn to see your side, or perhaps we can fill in some of the missing pieces so that you can apply the skepticism you have to your beliefs and see of they stand up?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This reminds me of people who watch a 30 minute YouTube video on 9-11 and suddenly are confident enough to claim that the building’s collapse wasn’t consistent with what would have happened had there not been some “foul play.” I have a degree in civil engineering and have taken courses on steel design, statics, dynamics, foundation engineering, strength of materials, etc, and I have NO IDEA to speak even somewhat confidently on such a nuanced, complex, and multi-faceted topic with any level of certainty, yet alone absolute certainty as people who watch a few conspiracy theory videos seem to do.
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Actually when it comes to 9/11 all that is needed is 7 seconds of video, nothing else. /story
 
HIT4ME said:
And he just walks back in the room, casually takes the stage, picks up the mic, does his thing, and drops the mic before walking off the stage. Good to have you back! Where you been?.



Muscleupcrohn stole my thunder on the thrusters. No offense here - I applaud you for asking the question and that is how we should learn - but you have just given a perfect example about why you shouldn't be lecturing on the abnormal physics of a moon landing video. We all have blind spots and you are making decisions without a pre-requisite understanding. This is not to imply any stupidity. My recent obsession - Thomas Sowell - talks about this a lot. He seems to get a kick out of how an expert in one field will often pretend that their knowledge allows them to be an expert in another field - think Noam Chomsky. The fact is, even the smartest people don't have even 1% of the knowledge that is necessary for the world as a whole to function.

But while lacking the pre-requisite knowledge, you seem to be smart enough to have skepticism, which is good - but you are applying that skepticism against knowledge without a foundation for your skepticism to stand on.

Let's step back for a moment and analyze your argument - I believe you are suggesting that we have never made it to the moon and it was all a hoax, correct?

You claim that people in "my camp" are not applying logic and falling for lies.

What exactly is the "logic" that you are applying? Can you lay it out, not so I can tear it apart, but so that we can discuss it and maybe I can learn to see your side, or perhaps we can fill in some of the missing pieces so that you can apply the skepticism you have to your beliefs and see of they stand up?
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Hey! Been busy with life. Ups and downs. Doing good now though! Hopefully you as well. It seems like the "logic" he is applying is just "X doesn't 'look right' to me," coming from someone with essentially zero knowledge on the topic they claim to be comfortable with to make conclusions based purely on cursory observation. Unfortunately a lot of science is very counterintuitive to even experts in the field, forget to the layman. So saying "X doesn't look right to me" as an outside observer uneducated on the topic is perhaps a good indication that it's NOT faked, as if it was faked, they'd fake it too appeal to the masses, not to appeal to the small fraction of people who actually understand what is should look like.
 
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Actually when it comes to 9/11 all that is needed is 7 seconds of video, nothing else. /story
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Lol. I assume you're a structural engineer who has seen many skyscrapers collapse by being hit by airplanes to conclude that this one was not consistent with the many, many other similar incidents you've witnessed?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Lol. I assume you're a structural engineer who has seen many skyscrapers collapse by being hit by airplanes to conclude that this one was not consistent with the many, many other similar incidents you've witnessed?
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Well, thats what I follow, structural engineers, science and facts. No time for fairytales.
 
ax1 said:
Well, thats what I follow, structural engineers, science and facts. No time for fairytales.
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Please show me licensed PEs on record saying that 9-11 was irrefutably an inside job. And if you don't know offhand what PE refers to here, then don't even bother responding.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Please show me licensed PEs on record saying that 9-11 was irrefutably an inside job. And if you don't know offhand what PE refers to here, then don't even bother responding.
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I just spent a lot of time on this just last week here, but my go to is Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth movement not that I even need their help to know it was a controlled demolition.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Please show me licensed PEs on record saying that 9-11 was irrefutably an inside job. And if you don't know offhand what PE refers to here, then don't even bother responding.
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If your passionate about this here is part 1 of an 30 hour webinar just covering the buildings.

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muscleupcrohn said:
Please show me licensed PEs on record saying that 9-11 was irrefutably an inside job. And if you don't know offhand what PE refers to here, then don't even bother responding.
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I assume you know why scientists found nano-thermite at the WTC site and that you have an explanation of this?

Or this is above your pay grade because your not a scientist so you have no opinion?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Please show me licensed PEs on record saying that 9-11 was irrefutably an inside job. And if you don't know offhand what PE refers to here, then don't even bother responding.
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And please if you have more fairytales for us don’t bother responding.
 
ax1 said:
Actually when it comes to 9/11 all that is needed is 7 seconds of video, nothing else. /story
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Wrong. You need 8 advanced degrees so you can doubt what your eyes clearly see. Then use said degrees to make yourself feel validated with 20 pages of analytical rambling that still concludes nothing, yet sheep give you likes cause they feel too inferior to form their own opinions
 
THOR 70 said:
Wrong. You need 8 advanced degrees so you can doubt what your eyes clearly see. Then use said degrees to make yourself feel validated with 20 pages of analytical rambling that still concludes nothing, yet sheep give you likes cause they feel too inferior to form their own opinions
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SO MUCH of science and engineering is absolutely counterintuitive to "what your eyes clearly see." But you're the one who couldn't even bother to look up how thrustors work in space before adamantly stating that the moon landing was faked. And yes, I know enough to know I myself don't have absolute conclusions here. That's called being scientifically reasonable and responsible. You should try it sometime.
 
THOR 70 said:
Wrong. You need 8 advanced degrees so you can doubt what your eyes clearly see. Then use said degrees to make yourself feel validated with 20 pages of analytical rambling that still concludes nothing, yet sheep give you likes cause they feel too inferior to form their own opinions
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You remind me of a personal experience I had with my gf a few years back while we were in the habit of watching ghost stories (hey, they're fun on many levels).

One night I am in my office and my girlfriend comes in and asks if I am banging in the bedroom wall. Nope, just in my office, sitting quietly getting things done. She leaves only to come back again, you aren't messing with me, are you? Nope. She comes back a third time insisting I am messing with her.

I get up and go into the bedroom. We stand around and it is perfectly silent...until I draw on my ghost hunting knowledge and say, "If anyone is here with us, please bang on the wall twice." ...a joke of course, but it was INSTANTLY followed by two thumps.

Very strange indeed.

I start to investigate. My eyes and ears tell me that was really freaky and looks like a ghost. My "don't believe your own eyes" science tells me there is an explanation.

For days I was hunting down what this could be. Animal in the wall? No signs. Something in the attic, no signs. We would be asleep at 2 AM only to be awoken by these thumping noises in the walls.

Then one day I realized, we leave the surround sound on all the time. I started turning it off. No more thumping. It turned out to be a short in a wire that was causing the speaker on that wall to "thump" in a strange way that sounded exactly like banging in the wall. We started turning off the surround sound and it never came back.

I guess science's "don't believe your own eyes" is pretty dumb. I should have just known that it was OBVIOUSLY a ghost. My science is so stupid.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
SO MUCH of science and engineering is absolutely counterintuitive to "what your eyes clearly see." But you're the one who couldn't even bother to look up how thrustors work in space before adamantly stating that the moon landing was faked. And yes, I know enough to know I myself don't have absolute conclusions here. That's called being scientifically reasonable and responsible. You should try it sometime.
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Your link was trash and didn’t explain anything worth commenting on but I guess I will. It leans on Newton’s 3rd law which I would be willing to bet doesn’t work in a vacuum nor did he account for. Plus it seems Newton’s 3rd law fails in circumstances where there are force fields and other factors so it shouldn’t even be called a law. Sorry I’ve questioned one of your 10 commandments of your religion of scientism.
 
HIT4ME said:
You remind me of a personal experience I had with my gf a few years back while we were in the habit of watching ghost stories (hey, they're fun on many levels).

One night I am in my office and my girlfriend comes in and asks if I am banging in the bedroom wall. Nope, just in my office, sitting quietly getting things done. She leaves only to come back again, you aren't messing with me, are you? Nope. She comes back a third time insisting I am messing with her.

I get up and go into the bedroom. We stand around and it is perfectly silent...until I draw on my ghost hunting knowledge and say, "If anyone is here with us, please bang on the wall twice." ...a joke of course, but it was INSTANTLY followed by two thumps.

Very strange indeed.

I start to investigate. My eyes and ears tell me that was really freaky and looks like a ghost. My "don't believe your own eyes" science tells me there is an explanation.

For days I was hunting down what this could be. Animal in the wall? No signs. Something in the attic, no signs. We would be asleep at 2 AM only to be awoken by these thumping noises in the walls.

Then one day I realized, we leave the surround sound on all the time. I started turning it off. No more thumping. It turned out to be a short in a wire that was causing the speaker on that wall to "thump" in a strange way that sounded exactly like banging in the wall. We started turning off the surround sound and it never came back.

I guess science's "don't believe your own eyes" is pretty dumb. I should have just known that it was OBVIOUSLY a ghost. My science is so stupid.
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Exactly. I mean, the idea that a bowling ball and a feather would fall at the same speed and hit the ground at the same time when dropped from the same height in a vacuum sounds insane based on our observations, where a bowling ball falls MUCH faster than a feather, because the idea of a vacuum is just so incredibly at odds with our daily "observational experiences." But that doesn't change the fact that we have the math, formulas, principles, and calculations to prove it, and also to prove why it doesn't happen in the "real/normal" world. But I'm sure some people think that the vacuum footage showing they hit the ground at the same time is fake too, since it's so at odds with our "observations."
 
THOR 70 said:
Your link was trash and didn’t explain anything worth commenting on but I guess I will. It leans on Newton’s 3rd law which I would be willing to bet doesn’t work in a vacuum nor did he account for. Plus it seems Newton’s 3rd law fails in circumstances where there are force fields and other factors so it shouldn’t even be called a law. Sorry I’ve questioned one of your 10 commandments of your religion of scientism.
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I didn't post a link in the comment you're responding to? You ok bud?
 
ax1 said:
I just spent a lot of time on this just last week here, but my go to is Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth movement not that I even need their help to know it was a controlled demolition.
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There was a kid in my Architectural Engineering class that didn't believe the earth was millions/billions of years old, because of his bible stories. Deliberately overlooking everything he learned about basic earth science. No rivers creating the grand canyon, no mountains from tectonic plates, no dinosaurs. Bah.

Heck, I would have never let him graduate with an engineering degree.

The point being, that even the 911 truth engineering club can also be lost in fairy tales. There is a wacky fringe in every group...
 
THOR 70 said:
You gotta ask yourself, would someone have more to gain from whistleblowing on the nano thermite or someone by hiding the fact it was used?
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Facts are facts, and should stand on their own merit, regardless of hypothetical assumed motives. I guess you know nothing of the "scietism religion" do you? ;)
 
THOR 70 said:
Your link was trash and didn’t explain anything worth commenting on but I guess I will. It leans on Newton’s 3rd law which I would be willing to bet doesn’t work in a vacuum nor did he account for. Plus it seems Newton’s 3rd law fails in circumstances where there are force fields and other factors so it shouldn’t even be called a law. Sorry I’ve questioned one of your 10 commandments of your religion of scientism.
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Wait, what? What about Newton's third law makes you think it wouldn't apply in a vacuum?

I was under the impression that a vacuum kind of helped build the evidence that Newton's laws were, in fact, correct.

Again, I am asking if you are claiming that we have never gone into space? That we have never landed on the moon? And what exactly is the logical process that you are using to arrive at your conclusion? Surely you are not just believing what you believe without reason, or based on some video or Joe Rogan?
 
BamBam54 said:
There was a kid in my Architectural Engineering class that didn't believe the earth was millions/billions of years old, because of his bible stories. Deliberately overlooking everything he learned about basic earth science. No rivers creating the grand canyon, no mountains from tectonic plates, no dinosaurs. Bah.

Heck, I would have never let him graduate with an engineering degree.

The point being, that even the 911 truth engineering club can also be lost in fairy tales. There is a wacky fringe in every group...
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Haha. At Church someone told me that they didn't believe in evolution because "Pokemon isn't real," and "we can't just grow claws like Wolverine, or a longer neck to reach higher trees." He didn't know that evolution in actual science isn't Pokemon's "evolution," which is actually metamorphosis, and that evolution isn't some deliberate process to adapt ideally to external circumstances, it's a random process where genetic deviation and variation and nature team up to slowly and brutally kill off the least suited to survive while sparing the most suited, allowing these random but conditionally desirable variations to spread and reproduce and adapt over many, many hundreds or thousands of years. But if the Church taught him his whole life that "evolution is like Pokemon" then OF COURSE he'd say it's nonsense and immediately dismiss it without even looking into it further. Making a straw man to dismiss opposition and argue against something that doesn't even exist is a great way to indoctrinate people.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Facts are facts, and should stand on their own merit, regardless of hypothetical assumed motives. I guess you know nothing of the "scietism religion" do you? ;)
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Well, I would argue there are no "facts" ...only best guesses based on the information we have. But there is only one reality.

But, really, I agree that we should believe things and make our best guesses based on their ability to stand on their merit and their congruence with careful observation.
 
HIT4ME said:
Well, I would argue there are no "facts" ...only best guesses based on the information we have. But there is only one reality.

But, really, I agree that we should believe things and make our best guesses based on their ability to stand on their merit and their congruence with careful observation.
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I get what you're saying, but there are some "facts" in that we know for a "fact" that some things are not true. So disproving a fact is sort of a fact in a way I suppose. Like we know the earth isn't flat. That is a fact. The shape of the earth is also a fact. That the earth isn't 4,000 years old is also a fact. EXACTLY how old it is isn't a fact, but that it is much older than 4,000 years is a fact. I think we surely agree on that haha.
 
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