Well.. Thanks for sharing.Lately I’ve been drinking egg whites to get more protein and different kind of protein source in. It’s great ... besides the farts.
Well.. Thanks for sharing.Lately I’ve been drinking egg whites to get more protein and different kind of protein source in. It’s great ... besides the farts.
I say up the 1-Andro. With the 4-Andro you can see how you feel and up if needed. If you have energy and mood is good and all that, then no need to up the 4-Andro. But nothing wrong with going to 300 with it either, just not necessary I think, if things are rollin'. Have you taken any Epiandro yet?Update time!!
So I'm acclimating well enough to the 4-andro, enough to the point of thinking of going 300mg 4 and 330 of 1. Any thoughts?
BP median - 124/79 - still in a very good range considering.
Strength has gone up. Endurance is up. I haven't "tested" my cardio on it yet so to speak, I do a light warm up and then by end of workout cardio is moderate to a couple min of high intensity because, frankly, the volume gasses me out.
I haven't checked bodyweight yet but I'm a bit leaner and definitely stronger. When the size starts to come on a bit this will be nice.
Couple updated pics and food breakdown coming in a bit
If you want the 4-andro to give some extra gains on top of the 1 andro you need to dose it at about 400 mgs and up but 300 mgs might give u little kick when i used it solo i did 550 mgs and up and it gave me some Nice fullness but im also alot heavier then uUpdate time!!
So I'm acclimating well enough to the 4-andro, enough to the point of thinking of going 300mg 4 and 330 of 1. Any thoughts?
BP median - 124/79 - still in a very good range considering.
Strength has gone up. Endurance is up. I haven't "tested" my cardio on it yet so to speak, I do a light warm up and then by end of workout cardio is moderate to a couple min of high intensity because, frankly, the volume gasses me out.
I haven't checked bodyweight yet but I'm a bit leaner and definitely stronger. When the size starts to come on a bit this will be nice.
Couple updated pics and food breakdown coming in a bit
Epi starts this Friday. I bumped the 1 to 330 already if you missed that part or I was unclear. Youre saying bump up further than that or that's pretty solid right there?I say up the 1-Andro. With the 4-Andro you can see how you feel and up if needed. If you have energy and mood is good and all that, then no need to up the 4-Andro. But nothing wrong with going to 300 with it either, just not necessary I think, if things are rollin'. Have you taken any Epiandro yet?
I’m looking for recomp so the tricky part isIf you want the 4-andro to give some extra gains on top of the 1 andro you need to dose it at about 400 mgs and up but 300 mgs might give u little kick when i used it solo i did 550 mgs and up and it gave me some Nice fullness but im also alot heavier then u
yes run it at 300 mg minimum it should help with lethargy keep your muscle bellies fuller and libidoEpi starts this Friday. I bumped the 1 to 330 already if you missed that part or I was unclear. Youre saying bump up further than that or that's pretty solid right there?
I'd prefer to keep 4 at 200 but the lethargy is getting brutal, I don't want to increase risk of sides much though for the slight bit of extra gains.
I cut out my pwo and have had the caffeine headaches from hell. I'm sure it's that or knots in the neck causing it, as if you saw my median BP is definitely not in the headache inducing range. I don’t think the cycle is contributing, I think it’s going from pwo and cup or 3 of coffee a day for years to nothing for the last 2 days......
I looked fuller yet leaner today more than I have since peak shape a few years back. I’ll get better updated pics and a weight soon but to be honest, I don’t care much about scale reading. As long as my body composition is improving and my strength is going up my weight is secondary.
I’m looking for recomp so the tricky part is
A. Dosing without bloat some get from 4 (I did first two days.
B. Still acclimating I feel like AND Epi andro gets thrown in in like 72 hrs
C. Some days I’m slightly under, some days I’m 600 under, a couple days I’m eating over. So I’m not sure if, without the surplus, the extra MG would be suited to my purpose?
At the current dose I'll have an extra bottle for a future cycle. Or I run it at 300
But first things first I'm going to say screw it and have coffee. Or excedrin. And I'll take BP again tonight but damn this headache
Does that extra 100 MG when combined with everything else really increase my risk much? Doesn't seem like it wouldyes run it at 300 mg minimum it should help with lethargy keep your muscle bellies fuller and libido
Nope it will just make you feel better cause of the extra test it converts to im talking from experience the higher the dose the better it works and its not liver toxic so dont worryDoes that extra 100 MG when combined with everything else really increase my risk much? Doesn't seem like it would
My only concern is, when it's all said and done, it's like closer to 1g of various andros in my system lol.Nope it will just make you feel better cause of the extra test it converts to im talking from experience the higher the dose the better it works and its not liver toxic so dont worry
Have u started the epiandro yetMy only concern is, when it's all said and done, it's like closer to 1g of various andros in my system lol.
I don't mind suppression, pct is fine and I'll recover slowly but surely. But the other potential sides get aggravated by a certain threshold without increasing gains and I'm not sure if it's correlated with bodyweight or not.......
No that's the final 6 weeks - this FridayHave u started the epiandro yet
Diets in check, really just trying to add a bit while leaning out and training with an increased intensityI once did a cut on 460 mg a Day of 4-andro for 2 months and didn't bloat just helped me keep my muscle bellies full while leaning out its All about the diet
Yeah I thought when you said:Epi starts this Friday. I bumped the 1 to 330 already if you missed that part or I was unclear. Youre saying bump up further than that or that's pretty solid right there?
I'd prefer to keep 4 at 200 but the lethargy is getting brutal, I don't want to increase risk of sides much though for the slight bit of extra gains.
I cut out my pwo and have had the caffeine headaches from hell. I'm sure it's that or knots in the neck causing it, as if you saw my median BP is definitely not in the headache inducing range. I don’t think the cycle is contributing, I think it’s going from pwo and cup or 3 of coffee a day for years to nothing for the last 2 days......
I looked fuller yet leaner today more than I have since peak shape a few years back. I’ll get better updated pics and a weight soon but to be honest, I don’t care much about scale reading. As long as my body composition is improving and my strength is going up my weight is secondary.
I’m looking for recomp so the tricky part is
A. Dosing without bloat some get from 4 (I did first two days.
B. Still acclimating I feel like AND Epi andro gets thrown in in like 72 hrs
C. Some days I’m slightly under, some days I’m 600 under, a couple days I’m eating over. So I’m not sure if, without the surplus, the extra MG would be suited to my purpose?
At the current dose I'll have an extra bottle for a future cycle. Or I run it at 300
But first things first I'm going to say screw it and have coffee. Or excedrin. And I'll take BP again tonight but damn this headache
The first day with the anxiety and elevated HR, and the second day it seemed to kind of do that (I need to dose 4 with a meal to feel good it seems).......I just figured it was a BP response and that I needed to cut out caffeine. I do a decent amount of cardio and eat clean. If my BP isn't through the roof tonight this has GOTTA be a caffeine withdrawl right? I had a cup of coffee a bit ago and still had to take an excedrin.Yeah I thought when you said:
"So I'm acclimating well enough to the 4-andro, enough to the point of thinking of going 300mg 4 and 330 of 1. Any thoughts?"
That you meant also upping to 330 on the 1-Andro. But if you are already there, then that's good. Hard to keep track on all logs and threads, so can't remember all the details.
If the lethargy is getting brutal I would up the 4-Andro. I don't think it will add any meaningful sides. The adding of Epiandro should also bring you some energy.
Like @bigthug said the 4-Andro needs to be dosed quite high for it to bring added gains. It's for well being and that stuff mostly in this stack imo. 1-Andro doing the heavy lifting. I very much doubt the 4-Andro will bloat you up to any significant degree. You won't have a lot if any natural T and thetefore E production and the Epiandro is antiestrogenic and should dry you out a bit.
Why did you cut the caffeine cold turkey? I would have a bad headache too. If you did it for the BP, then taper down good lad = )
Well caffeine withdrawal induces headache for many. Also if I get a headache from caffeine withdrawal it's too late to then get caffeine, it won't go away in hours. Maybe getting caffeine can cut it from not being 24 hours. Ibuprofen is decent pain killer and not harsh on the body.The first day with the anxiety and elevated HR, and the second day it seemed to kind of do that (I need to dose 4 with a meal to feel good it seems).......I just figured it was a BP response and that I needed to cut out caffeine. I do a decent amount of cardio and eat clean. If my BP isn't through the roof tonight this has GOTTA be a caffeine withdrawl right? I had a cup of coffee a bit ago and still had to take an excedrin.
I may be getting a cold which doesn't help matters. I can generally recover quick and train through it but if so that'll be a lighter "deload" for the joints week
I think I might feel better overall if I up my caloric intake a bit. Maybe right at maintenance or slightly below is better than the cycling where some days are too low.And why not just try too eat at maintainence then you will probably gain a slight bit of Lean mass while hardening up
yea, it's one of those things where I can tell right now that I need a good night's rest, some ibuprofen, and hopefully in a day or so I'm back to loading the weights up heavyWell caffeine withdrawal induces headache for many. Also if I get a headache from caffeine withdrawal it's too late to then get caffeine, it won't go away in hours. Maybe getting caffeine can cut it from not being 24 hours. Ibuprofeen is decent pain killer and not harsh on the body.
Well I don't know about the mildly suppressive. Sarms are suppressive and I think LGD might be up there with the stronger PH's and DS.It's definitely caffeine and maybe needing more calories - BP even better now a couple days after introducing extra celery seed in there
Median of 119/76 tonight.
Definitely feeling better after food and a bit of caffeine but the headache still existent. At least I know it's not bp.
Sidenote : I have 6.5 weeks left and pct, then a bit of time to return to homeostasis......I'm already planning my summer SARM spectacle.
Light cycle from my research - either OSTARINE or LGD with MK677.
About it 8-12 weeks it sounds like. Mildly supressive but fairly easy pct from what I gather. Any thoughts while I'm thinking about it and have a coupon/spare supp funds lol
This is planning for summer so we are talking many months out.Well I don't know about the mildly suppressive. Sarms are suppressive and I think LGD might be up there with the stronger PH's and DS.
If you are planning on adding muscle, then definietly choose LGD out of those two. I've found personally that Osta is great for keeping muscle when on a deficit, but couldn't really do a recomp with it and I'm thinking it's not good for building muscle. And I've seen other people say the same for them. LGD should blow you up pretty much. I even saw a guy yesterday tell he likes LGD more than DMZ and feels it's even more anabolic for him than DMZ. Now this is a first time I've seen anybody say that, but still. And a reputable long time member also, so he know's what he's doing. I have not tried LGD myself.
Rad-140 should be great for recomp. I would also use 4-Andro or Dermacrine or some kind of test base with sarms, if you already wasn't planning on doing that.
Haha it works well,good quick protein sourceWell.. Thanks for sharing.
I wonder if the lethargy will subside. I remember a day or two in the beginning where I felt “different” mentally,but subsided quickly. It may get better very soon, but everyone is different.My only concern is, when it's all said and done, it's like closer to 1g of various andros in my system lol.
I don't mind suppression, pct is fine and I'll recover slowly but surely. But the other potential sides get aggravated by a certain threshold without increasing gains and I'm not sure if it's correlated with bodyweight or not.......
He just needs to run an high enough dose of 4-andro and eat enough and he should be alrightI wonder if the lethargy will subside. I remember a day or two in the beginning where I felt “different” mentally,but subsided quickly. It may get better very soon, but everyone is different.
And I already told him to run atleast 300 mg 4-andro for it to have Any effect or else its a waste and thats that[
He just needs to run an high enough dose of 4-andro and eat enough and he should be alright
unless it is transdermal...And I already told him to run atleast 300 mg 4-andro for it to have Any effect or else its a waste and thats that
Epiandro will help too
Epiandro will help too
But hes running capsules without Any delivery systemunless it is transdermal...
then i agree with you-300mg.But hes running capsules without Any delivery system
I hope it will. The headaches are getting better. Upped supports and water. Still think it was tension due to old neck injury aggravated by trap training.I wonder if the lethargy will subside. I remember a day or two in the beginning where I felt “different” mentally,but subsided quickly. It may get better very soon, but everyone is different.
when these subside I likely will. I have no issue doing so as long as the combination of andros isn’t too muchAnd I already told him to run atleast 300 mg 4-andro for it to have Any effect or else its a waste and thats that
that’s what I’m hoping forEpiandro will help too
Well i was just trying to help by telling from my experienceI hope it will. The headaches are getting better. Upped supports and water. Still think it was tension due to old neck injury aggravated by trap training.
BP was never alarming. Pretty good actually. That’s the only reason I haven’t upped the dose- in case 4 is causing the headaches or having something to do with them
when these subside I likely will. I have no issue doing so as long as the combination of andros isn’t too much
that’s what I’m hoping for
I appreciate that man. I want to up it to 300 just making sure everything is adjusting properly. I still got 6 weeks left so there’s time to make slight modifications as needed. Did you run the 1 and 4 with Epi?Well i was just trying to help by telling from my experience
Yes im running a stack of All tha andros right now and tomorow i will ad the s-23 sarm on top but when its comes to solo andro cycle i only have experience with the 4-andro at varius dosesI appreciate that man. I want to up it to 300 just making sure everything is adjusting properly. I still got 6 weeks left so there’s time to make slight modifications as needed. Did you run the 1 and 4 with Epi?
Hi Tech and the naming of their products.. Allways gets me.Im running 3 tabs a day of hi tech superdrol at the moment
Yeah i know but it works great for a andro stackHi Tech and the naming of their products.. Allways gets me.
Right?!? Dymethazine- aka epi andro lmaoHi Tech and the naming of their products.. Allways gets me.
Have u done Any cycles beforeRight?!? Dymethazine- aka epi andro lmao
I ran Bold on 2 separate occasions when it was made by IFORCE and then CEL (As EQ plex)Have u done Any cycles before
The good old prohormone daysI ran Bold on 2 separate occasions when it was made by IFORCE and then CEL (As EQ plex)
Indeed. I loved those cyclesThe good old prohormone days
I only got to try cel m-drol that was some strong superdrol what was your gainsIndeed. I loved those cycles
I just recall crazy strength and noticeable size - 7/8 lbs mean mass but my diet also wasn't as dialed inI only got to try cel m-drol that was some strong superdrol what was your gains
today will be the start of week 3 and was the intro of the epi-androSaw that this is week 2, how are your strength levels and recovery levels been? I think I was noticing weights were getting lighter and recovery faster
I think I'm going to really like the recomp effect of epi andro towards week 6-7 from what I'm reading. Eat at maintenance with a similar pct stack to yours and I should be able to keep my "new" physique and plan my next phase of trainingYeah I remember started to kick in week 2/3 then in full gear by week 4/5.
How much have you taken the Epiandro yet and have you felt anything after dosing?I think I'm going to really like the recomp effect of epi andro towards week 6-7 from what I'm reading. Eat at maintenance with a similar pct stack to yours and I should be able to keep my "new" physique and plan my next phase of training
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