Let’s See - 1-Test/Epi Andro log

[KvanH]

Lately I’ve been drinking egg whites to get more protein and different kind of protein source in. It’s great ... besides the farts.

Well.. Thanks for sharing.

 

[KvanH]

Update time!!

So I'm acclimating well enough to the 4-andro, enough to the point of thinking of going 300mg 4 and 330 of 1. Any thoughts?
BP median - 124/79 - still in a very good range considering.
Strength has gone up. Endurance is up. I haven't "tested" my cardio on it yet so to speak, I do a light warm up and then by end of workout cardio is moderate to a couple min of high intensity because, frankly, the volume gasses me out.

I haven't checked bodyweight yet but I'm a bit leaner and definitely stronger. When the size starts to come on a bit this will be nice.

Couple updated pics and food breakdown coming in a bit

I say up the 1-Andro. With the 4-Andro you can see how you feel and up if needed. If you have energy and mood is good and all that, then no need to up the 4-Andro. But nothing wrong with going to 300 with it either, just not necessary I think, if things are rollin'. Have you taken any Epiandro yet?

 

[bigthug]

Update time!!

So I'm acclimating well enough to the 4-andro, enough to the point of thinking of going 300mg 4 and 330 of 1. Any thoughts?
BP median - 124/79 - still in a very good range considering.
Strength has gone up. Endurance is up. I haven't "tested" my cardio on it yet so to speak, I do a light warm up and then by end of workout cardio is moderate to a couple min of high intensity because, frankly, the volume gasses me out.

I haven't checked bodyweight yet but I'm a bit leaner and definitely stronger. When the size starts to come on a bit this will be nice.

Couple updated pics and food breakdown coming in a bit

If you want the 4-andro to give some extra gains on top of the 1 andro you need to dose it at about 400 mgs and up but 300 mgs might give u little kick when i used it solo i did 550 mgs and up and it gave me some Nice fullness but im also alot heavier then u

 

[bigthug]

And 330 mg for 1-andro is perfect

 

[MFTrainz]

I say up the 1-Andro. With the 4-Andro you can see how you feel and up if needed. If you have energy and mood is good and all that, then no need to up the 4-Andro. But nothing wrong with going to 300 with it either, just not necessary I think, if things are rollin'. Have you taken any Epiandro yet?

Epi starts this Friday. I bumped the 1 to 330 already if you missed that part or I was unclear. Youre saying bump up further than that or that's pretty solid right there?
I'd prefer to keep 4 at 200 but the lethargy is getting brutal, I don't want to increase risk of sides much though for the slight bit of extra gains.

I cut out my pwo and have had the caffeine headaches from hell. I'm sure it's that or knots in the neck causing it, as if you saw my median BP is definitely not in the headache inducing range. I don’t think the cycle is contributing, I think it’s going from pwo and cup or 3 of coffee a day for years to nothing for the last 2 days......
I looked fuller yet leaner today more than I have since peak shape a few years back. I’ll get better updated pics and a weight soon but to be honest, I don’t care much about scale reading. As long as my body composition is improving and my strength is going up my weight is secondary.

If you want the 4-andro to give some extra gains on top of the 1 andro you need to dose it at about 400 mgs and up but 300 mgs might give u little kick when i used it solo i did 550 mgs and up and it gave me some Nice fullness but im also alot heavier then u

I’m looking for recomp so the tricky part is
A. Dosing without bloat some get from 4 (I did first two days.
B. Still acclimating I feel like AND Epi andro gets thrown in in like 72 hrs
C. Some days I’m slightly under, some days I’m 600 under, a couple days I’m eating over. So I’m not sure if, without the surplus, the extra MG would be suited to my purpose?
At the current dose I'll have an extra bottle for a future cycle. Or I run it at 300


But first things first I'm going to say screw it and have coffee. Or excedrin. And I'll take BP again tonight but damn this headache

 

[MFTrainz]

Also everyone check out my fresh tee. I only wear it after heavy leg days when I've earned it

 

[bigthug]

Epi starts this Friday. I bumped the 1 to 330 already if you missed that part or I was unclear. Youre saying bump up further than that or that's pretty solid right there?
I'd prefer to keep 4 at 200 but the lethargy is getting brutal, I don't want to increase risk of sides much though for the slight bit of extra gains.

I cut out my pwo and have had the caffeine headaches from hell. I'm sure it's that or knots in the neck causing it, as if you saw my median BP is definitely not in the headache inducing range. I don’t think the cycle is contributing, I think it’s going from pwo and cup or 3 of coffee a day for years to nothing for the last 2 days......
I looked fuller yet leaner today more than I have since peak shape a few years back. I’ll get better updated pics and a weight soon but to be honest, I don’t care much about scale reading. As long as my body composition is improving and my strength is going up my weight is secondary.



I’m looking for recomp so the tricky part is
A. Dosing without bloat some get from 4 (I did first two days.
B. Still acclimating I feel like AND Epi andro gets thrown in in like 72 hrs
C. Some days I’m slightly under, some days I’m 600 under, a couple days I’m eating over. So I’m not sure if, without the surplus, the extra MG would be suited to my purpose?
At the current dose I'll have an extra bottle for a future cycle. Or I run it at 300


But first things first I'm going to say screw it and have coffee. Or excedrin. And I'll take BP again tonight but damn this headache

yes run it at 300 mg minimum it should help with lethargy keep your muscle bellies fuller and libido

 

[MFTrainz]

yes run it at 300 mg minimum it should help with lethargy keep your muscle bellies fuller and libido

Does that extra 100 MG when combined with everything else really increase my risk much? Doesn't seem like it would


I have some thinking to do. Nice thing is I went into this cycle flexibly

 

[bigthug]

Does that extra 100 MG when combined with everything else really increase my risk much? Doesn't seem like it would

Nope it will just make you feel better cause of the extra test it converts to im talking from experience the higher the dose the better it works and its not liver toxic so dont worry

 

[MFTrainz]

Nope it will just make you feel better cause of the extra test it converts to im talking from experience the higher the dose the better it works and its not liver toxic so dont worry

My only concern is, when it's all said and done, it's like closer to 1g of various andros in my system lol.
I don't mind suppression, pct is fine and I'll recover slowly but surely. But the other potential sides get aggravated by a certain threshold without increasing gains and I'm not sure if it's correlated with bodyweight or not.......

 

[bigthug]

My only concern is, when it's all said and done, it's like closer to 1g of various andros in my system lol.
I don't mind suppression, pct is fine and I'll recover slowly but surely. But the other potential sides get aggravated by a certain threshold without increasing gains and I'm not sure if it's correlated with bodyweight or not.......

Have u started the epiandro yet

 

[MFTrainz]

Have u started the epiandro yet

No that's the final 6 weeks - this Friday

 

[bigthug]

Okay

 

[bigthug]

I once did a cut on 460 mg a Day of 4-andro for 2 months and didn't bloat just helped me keep my muscle bellies full while leaning out its All about the diet

 

[MFTrainz]

I once did a cut on 460 mg a Day of 4-andro for 2 months and didn't bloat just helped me keep my muscle bellies full while leaning out its All about the diet

Diets in check, really just trying to add a bit while leaning out and training with an increased intensity

 

[KvanH]

Epi starts this Friday. I bumped the 1 to 330 already if you missed that part or I was unclear. Youre saying bump up further than that or that's pretty solid right there?
I'd prefer to keep 4 at 200 but the lethargy is getting brutal, I don't want to increase risk of sides much though for the slight bit of extra gains.

I cut out my pwo and have had the caffeine headaches from hell. I'm sure it's that or knots in the neck causing it, as if you saw my median BP is definitely not in the headache inducing range. I don’t think the cycle is contributing, I think it’s going from pwo and cup or 3 of coffee a day for years to nothing for the last 2 days......
I looked fuller yet leaner today more than I have since peak shape a few years back. I’ll get better updated pics and a weight soon but to be honest, I don’t care much about scale reading. As long as my body composition is improving and my strength is going up my weight is secondary.



I’m looking for recomp so the tricky part is
A. Dosing without bloat some get from 4 (I did first two days.
B. Still acclimating I feel like AND Epi andro gets thrown in in like 72 hrs
C. Some days I’m slightly under, some days I’m 600 under, a couple days I’m eating over. So I’m not sure if, without the surplus, the extra MG would be suited to my purpose?
At the current dose I'll have an extra bottle for a future cycle. Or I run it at 300


But first things first I'm going to say screw it and have coffee. Or excedrin. And I'll take BP again tonight but damn this headache

Yeah I thought when you said:

"So I'm acclimating well enough to the 4-andro, enough to the point of thinking of going 300mg 4 and 330 of 1. Any thoughts?"

That you meant also upping to 330 on the 1-Andro. But if you are already there, then that's good. Hard to keep track on all logs and threads, so can't remember all the details.

If the lethargy is getting brutal I would up the 4-Andro. I don't think it will add any meaningful sides. The adding of Epiandro should also bring you some energy.

Like @bigthug said the 4-Andro needs to be dosed quite high for it to bring added gains. It's for well being and that stuff mostly in this stack imo. 1-Andro doing the heavy lifting. I very much doubt the 4-Andro will bloat you up to any significant degree. You won't have a lot if any natural T and thetefore E production and the Epiandro is antiestrogenic and should dry you out a bit.

Why did you cut the caffeine cold turkey? I would have a bad headache too. If you did it for the BP, then taper down good lad = )

 

[MFTrainz]

Yeah I thought when you said:

"So I'm acclimating well enough to the 4-andro, enough to the point of thinking of going 300mg 4 and 330 of 1. Any thoughts?"

That you meant also upping to 330 on the 1-Andro. But if you are already there, then that's good. Hard to keep track on all logs and threads, so can't remember all the details.

If the lethargy is getting brutal I would up the 4-Andro. I don't think it will add any meaningful sides. The adding of Epiandro should also bring you some energy.

Like @bigthug said the 4-Andro needs to be dosed quite high for it to bring added gains. It's for well being and that stuff mostly in this stack imo. 1-Andro doing the heavy lifting. I very much doubt the 4-Andro will bloat you up to any significant degree. You won't have a lot if any natural T and thetefore E production and the Epiandro is antiestrogenic and should dry you out a bit.

Why did you cut the caffeine cold turkey? I would have a bad headache too. If you did it for the BP, then taper down good lad = )

The first day with the anxiety and elevated HR, and the second day it seemed to kind of do that (I need to dose 4 with a meal to feel good it seems).......I just figured it was a BP response and that I needed to cut out caffeine. I do a decent amount of cardio and eat clean. If my BP isn't through the roof tonight this has GOTTA be a caffeine withdrawl right? I had a cup of coffee a bit ago and still had to take an excedrin.

I may be getting a cold which doesn't help matters. I can generally recover quick and train through it but if so that'll be a lighter "deload" for the joints week

 

[bigthug]

And why not just try too eat at maintainence then you will probably gain a slight bit of Lean mass while hardening up

 

[KvanH]

The first day with the anxiety and elevated HR, and the second day it seemed to kind of do that (I need to dose 4 with a meal to feel good it seems).......I just figured it was a BP response and that I needed to cut out caffeine. I do a decent amount of cardio and eat clean. If my BP isn't through the roof tonight this has GOTTA be a caffeine withdrawl right? I had a cup of coffee a bit ago and still had to take an excedrin.

I may be getting a cold which doesn't help matters. I can generally recover quick and train through it but if so that'll be a lighter "deload" for the joints week

Well caffeine withdrawal induces headache for many. Also if I get a headache from caffeine withdrawal it's too late to then get caffeine, it won't go away in hours. Maybe getting caffeine can cut it from not being 24 hours. Ibuprofen is decent pain killer and not harsh on the body.

 

[MFTrainz]

And why not just try too eat at maintainence then you will probably gain a slight bit of Lean mass while hardening up

I think I might feel better overall if I up my caloric intake a bit. Maybe right at maintenance or slightly below is better than the cycling where some days are too low.

Well caffeine withdrawal induces headache for many. Also if I get a headache from caffeine withdrawal it's too late to then get caffeine, it won't go away in hours. Maybe getting caffeine can cut it from not being 24 hours. Ibuprofeen is decent pain killer and not harsh on the body.

yea, it's one of those things where I can tell right now that I need a good night's rest, some ibuprofen, and hopefully in a day or so I'm back to loading the weights up heavy

 

[MFTrainz]

It's definitely caffeine and maybe needing more calories - BP even better now a couple days after introducing extra celery seed in there
Median of 119/76 tonight.

Definitely feeling better after food and a bit of caffeine but the headache still existent. At least I know it's not bp.


Sidenote : I have 6.5 weeks left and pct, then a bit of time to return to homeostasis......I'm already planning my summer SARM spectacle.
Light cycle from my research - either OSTARINE or LGD with MK677.
About it 8-12 weeks it sounds like. Mildly supressive but fairly easy pct from what I gather. Any thoughts while I'm thinking about it and have a coupon/spare supp funds lol

 

[KvanH]

It's definitely caffeine and maybe needing more calories - BP even better now a couple days after introducing extra celery seed in there
Median of 119/76 tonight.

Definitely feeling better after food and a bit of caffeine but the headache still existent. At least I know it's not bp.


Sidenote : I have 6.5 weeks left and pct, then a bit of time to return to homeostasis......I'm already planning my summer SARM spectacle.
Light cycle from my research - either OSTARINE or LGD with MK677.
About it 8-12 weeks it sounds like. Mildly supressive but fairly easy pct from what I gather. Any thoughts while I'm thinking about it and have a coupon/spare supp funds lol

Well I don't know about the mildly suppressive. Sarms are suppressive and I think LGD might be up there with the stronger PH's and DS.

If you are planning on adding muscle, then definietly choose LGD out of those two. I've found personally that Osta is great for keeping muscle when on a deficit, but couldn't really do a recomp with it and I'm thinking it's not good for building muscle. And I've seen other people say the same for them. LGD should blow you up pretty much. I even saw a guy yesterday tell he likes LGD more than DMZ and feels it's even more anabolic for him than DMZ. Now this is a first time I've seen anybody say that, but still. And a reputable long time member also, so he know's what he's doing. I have not tried LGD myself.

Rad-140 should be great for recomp. I would also use 4-Andro or Dermacrine or some kind of test base with sarms, if you already wasn't planning on doing that.

 

[MFTrainz]

Well I don't know about the mildly suppressive. Sarms are suppressive and I think LGD might be up there with the stronger PH's and DS.

If you are planning on adding muscle, then definietly choose LGD out of those two. I've found personally that Osta is great for keeping muscle when on a deficit, but couldn't really do a recomp with it and I'm thinking it's not good for building muscle. And I've seen other people say the same for them. LGD should blow you up pretty much. I even saw a guy yesterday tell he likes LGD more than DMZ and feels it's even more anabolic for him than DMZ. Now this is a first time I've seen anybody say that, but still. And a reputable long time member also, so he know's what he's doing. I have not tried LGD myself.

Rad-140 should be great for recomp. I would also use 4-Andro or Dermacrine or some kind of test base with sarms, if you already wasn't planning on doing that.

This is planning for summer so we are talking many months out.
I can't seem to find much on the LGD carried by supreme. 2026 or whatever (vs 3033 and 4033).

I will have a leftover 4-andro bottle I think - that was going to be my base (kind of one of the things that led me to this thought - utilizing that bottle in another future cycle)

I have Ostarine with MK677 in the cart but I might switch it out to RAD 140 and cycle those 2 with 4-andro as a test.
Probably 6-8 weeks for RAD but MK677 for the 2 weeks prior and post as well.

 

[Boonfly8]

Well.. Thanks for sharing.

Haha it works well,good quick protein source

 

[Boonfly8]

My only concern is, when it's all said and done, it's like closer to 1g of various andros in my system lol.
I don't mind suppression, pct is fine and I'll recover slowly but surely. But the other potential sides get aggravated by a certain threshold without increasing gains and I'm not sure if it's correlated with bodyweight or not.......

I wonder if the lethargy will subside. I remember a day or two in the beginning where I felt “different” mentally,but subsided quickly. It may get better very soon, but everyone is different.

 

[bigthug]

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I wonder if the lethargy will subside. I remember a day or two in the beginning where I felt “different” mentally,but subsided quickly. It may get better very soon, but everyone is different.

He just needs to run an high enough dose of 4-andro and eat enough and he should be alright

 

[bigthug]

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He just needs to run an high enough dose of 4-andro and eat enough and he should be alright

And I already told him to run atleast 300 mg 4-andro for it to have Any effect or else its a waste and thats that

 

[KvanH]

Epiandro will help too

 

[thebigt]

And I already told him to run atleast 300 mg 4-andro for it to have Any effect or else its a waste and thats that

unless it is transdermal...

 

[bigthug]

Epiandro will help too

Epiandro will help too

unless it is transdermal...

But hes running capsules without Any delivery system

 

[thebigt]

But hes running capsules without Any delivery system

then i agree with you-300mg.

 

[MFTrainz]

I wonder if the lethargy will subside. I remember a day or two in the beginning where I felt “different” mentally,but subsided quickly. It may get better very soon, but everyone is different.

I hope it will. The headaches are getting better. Upped supports and water. Still think it was tension due to old neck injury aggravated by trap training.
BP was never alarming. Pretty good actually. That’s the only reason I haven’t upped the dose- in case 4 is causing the headaches or having something to do with them

And I already told him to run atleast 300 mg 4-andro for it to have Any effect or else its a waste and thats that

when these subside I likely will. I have no issue doing so as long as the combination of andros isn’t too much

Epiandro will help too

that’s what I’m hoping for

 

[bigthug]

I hope it will. The headaches are getting better. Upped supports and water. Still think it was tension due to old neck injury aggravated by trap training.
BP was never alarming. Pretty good actually. That’s the only reason I haven’t upped the dose- in case 4 is causing the headaches or having something to do with them

when these subside I likely will. I have no issue doing so as long as the combination of andros isn’t too much

that’s what I’m hoping for

Well i was just trying to help by telling from my experience

 

[MFTrainz]

Well i was just trying to help by telling from my experience

I appreciate that man. I want to up it to 300 just making sure everything is adjusting properly. I still got 6 weeks left so there’s time to make slight modifications as needed. Did you run the 1 and 4 with Epi?

 

[bigthug]

I appreciate that man. I want to up it to 300 just making sure everything is adjusting properly. I still got 6 weeks left so there’s time to make slight modifications as needed. Did you run the 1 and 4 with Epi?

Yes im running a stack of All tha andros right now and tomorow i will ad the s-23 sarm on top but when its comes to solo andro cycle i only have experience with the 4-andro at varius doses

 

[bigthug]

Im running 3 tabs a day of hi tech superdrol at the moment

 

[KvanH]

Im running 3 tabs a day of hi tech superdrol at the moment

Hi Tech and the naming of their products.. Allways gets me.

 

[bigthug]

Hi Tech and the naming of their products.. Allways gets me.

Yeah i know but it works great for a andro stack

 

[MFTrainz]

Hi Tech and the naming of their products.. Allways gets me.

Right?!? Dymethazine- aka epi andro lmao

 

[bigthug]

Right?!? Dymethazine- aka epi andro lmao

Have u done Any cycles before

 

[MFTrainz]

Have u done Any cycles before

I ran Bold on 2 separate occasions when it was made by IFORCE and then CEL (As EQ plex)

 

[bigthug]

I ran Bold on 2 separate occasions when it was made by IFORCE and then CEL (As EQ plex)

The good old prohormone days

 

[MFTrainz]

The good old prohormone days

Indeed. I loved those cycles

 

[bigthug]

Indeed. I loved those cycles

I only got to try cel m-drol that was some strong superdrol what was your gains

 

[Boonfly8]

Does anyone know the conversion rate of these 1-andros? Also the back of my bottle for hi tech 1-andro is 1-andro deconoate...not sure what that means for orals but deconate is a long ass ester

 

[Boonfly8]

Saw that this is week 2, how are your strength levels and recovery levels been? I think I was noticing weights were getting lighter and recovery faster

 

[MFTrainz]

I only got to try cel m-drol that was some strong superdrol what was your gains

I just recall crazy strength and noticeable size - 7/8 lbs mean mass but my diet also wasn't as dialed in

Saw that this is week 2, how are your strength levels and recovery levels been? I think I was noticing weights were getting lighter and recovery faster

today will be the start of week 3 and was the intro of the epi-andro

Recovery is phenomenal.
Strength is crazy. Weights are definitely getting much lighter.
Start to see noticeable composition changes

Cons -
Lethargic as all hell
Had a slight headache basically all week, manageable with ibuprofen. BP has been fine - it's either caffeine withdrawl kind of thing, an imbalance of test / estrogen, or related to the chronic neck and back injuries getting aggravated.

I have my supports in check. However, due to suppression, if there's an imbalance - is there something to take on cycle that might alleviate this so I can train harder and get the most out of it?
My gut feeling is it's related to the 4-andro, which is at 300mg per board and research recommendations. Not the hi tech brand of that.

I have not weighed myself at all. I haven't felt the need to. I am visibly leaner yet fuller so the numbers to me are not important yet. If I was on a strict deficit for a strict cut or on a very diligently clean bulk I would be on it daily...,

 

[Boonfly8]

Yeah I remember started to kick in week 2/3 then in full gear by week 4/5.

 

[MFTrainz]

Yeah I remember started to kick in week 2/3 then in full gear by week 4/5.

I think I'm going to really like the recomp effect of epi andro towards week 6-7 from what I'm reading. Eat at maintenance with a similar pct stack to yours and I should be able to keep my "new" physique and plan my next phase of training

 

[KvanH]

I think I'm going to really like the recomp effect of epi andro towards week 6-7 from what I'm reading. Eat at maintenance with a similar pct stack to yours and I should be able to keep my "new" physique and plan my next phase of training

How much have you taken the Epiandro yet and have you felt anything after dosing?