I’m arguing with my brother at the moment about whether DHEA belongs in a PCT from a 1-Andro cycle. I’m saying no .
What is all of your guys options please
What is all of your guys options please
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When his plums look like raisins 2 months later, he'll come around to your way of thinkingThanks man.
My bro is fuking up by running it during pct but I can’t convince him otherwise.
What about Ostarine?No....and I can’t stand seeing otherwise decent looking ‘post cycle products’ then go and include 50-100mg dhea as the last ingredient.
Ha yea, ACCORDING to Reddit and the comments section on various YouTube videosWhat about Ostarine?
LOL.Don’t feel too bad, I recently got into it on some random dudes YouTube channel...(he’s not bigtime or anything) Basically he was stacking rad and osta for 12 weeks and was just going with whatever companies ‘herbal pct blend’ ...I said in comments a serm was a must and dumbasss others tried to say I was wrong Literally one guy wrote, “why are you talking about serms, it’s sarms”
Damn brother, how old is that bottle? I haven’t heard of people trying use Osta in a PCT for like seven years.
It's not that old, can't remember exactly. Under 3 years at least. I think the product is still being sold with same looking label. Not sure if the pct part is still there, but I'm guessing it is.Damn brother, how old is that bottle? I haven’t heard of people trying use Osta in a PCT for like seven years.
Folks were lame and uniformed when SARMS first hit the boards.
Everybody said use it in PCT LOLF.
Until they notice their balls kept shrinking
You might be able to hop off of trt with Osta pct.I love osta but I’m also on trt for life ....so that helps a lot
you’re a good man and I don’t think you’re trolling I just don’t agree with OSTA being in a PCT that all.Ok ok, I'll stop trolling
Disclaimer; Osta is not for pct and Arimistane is for nothing. For whoever might end up reading this. Lol
But that's exactly what I think too. And it should be obvious that Osta does not belong in pct, but as we've seen in Reddit and youtube and such, people don't understand. And then there's the brands/retailers misleading people.you’re a good man and I don’t think you’re trolling I just don’t agree with OSTA being in a PCT that all.
i have seen some of the stuff they post at reddit, i would take with a couple thousand grains of salt.But that's exactly what I think too. And it should be obvious, but as we've seen in Reddit and youtube and such, people don't understand. And then there's the brands/retailers misleading people.
I was just goofin' around
Some interesting claims and theories in there for sure.i have seen some of the stuff they post at reddit, i would take with a couple thousand grains of salt.
Because Nolvadren XT isn't a good pct supplement. Isn't it marketed as more of a test booster? Anyway dhea is mildly suppressive and it does not belong to pct. No need for confusion.Megabump ahoy! (Parrrrrp)
Okay, I'm so confused about DHEA. Can anyone tell me why DHEA is in Nolvadren XT (a PCT supplement), if DHEA is not to be used in PCT?
I've a friend who runs MRM's DHEA at 50mg pretty much continuously and he feels great, so I'm absolutely stumped as to what's right and what's wrong with regards this supp?
i found some articles about dhea,and how dhea can reduce cortisol. but 1) dhea oral is waste of money and 2) it is not proven anticortisol. i bet that this is the reason for the dhea's addition to nolvadren xt.the put for anti estrogen pine bark instead of arimistane ,and they replaced 7 keto with dhea.. i dont understand why they did this..Megabump ahoy! (Parrrrrp)
Okay, I'm so confused about DHEA. Can anyone tell me why DHEA is in Nolvadren XT (a PCT supplement), if DHEA is not to be used in PCT?
I've a friend who runs MRM's DHEA at 50mg pretty much continuously and he feels great, so I'm absolutely stumped as to what's right and what's wrong with regards this supp?
7Keto DHEA is NOT suppressive and does lower cortisol. You have to use a lot orally because it’s not very bioavailable, but there are also some transdermal and injectable versions of it out there, like Iron Legion and Amino Asylum respectively if I recall right.i found some articles about dhea,and how dhea can reduce cortisol. but 1) dhea oral is waste of money and 2) it is not proven anticortisol. i bet that this is the reason for the dhea's addition to nolvadren xt.
i agree with you. im talking about man sports nolvadren xt ,and why they replaced arimistane with DHEA7Keto DHEA is NOT suppressive and does lower cortisol. You have to use a lot orally because it’s not very bioavailable, but there are also some transdermal and injectable versions of it out there, like Iron Legion and Amino Asylum respectively if I recall right.
I would absolutely choose that over DHEA in PCT if looking for cortisol control (due to estrogen from DHEA being suppressive as previously discussed).
Or you could do the really simple thing and just take some vitamin C & ashwaganda a couple times a day and keep some carbs in your meals, but to each his own. I think SNS makes a solid cortisol control oral product.
You are correct in that on the label the DHEA is under "Cortisol control" heading.i found some articles about dhea,and how dhea can reduce cortisol. but 1) dhea oral is waste of money and 2) it is not proven anticortisol. i bet that this is the reason for the dhea's addition to nolvadren xt.the put for anti estrogen pine bark instead of arimistane ,and they replaced 7 keto with dhea.. i dont understand why they did this..
Rob from the IF told me the 7-keto is not particulary strong on cort control. It does have cort lowering quality, but the main reason for adding it in A7 for example is the thermogenic effect (I think). You didn't say anything about the 7-keto efficency on cort control, so this is not an argument of any kind.7Keto DHEA is NOT suppressive and does lower cortisol. You have to use a lot orally because it’s not very bioavailable, but there are also some transdermal and injectable versions of it out there, like Iron Legion and Amino Asylum respectively if I recall right.
I would absolutely choose that over DHEA in PCT if looking for cortisol control (due to estrogen from DHEA being suppressive as previously discussed).
Or you could do the really simple thing and just take some vitamin C & ashwaganda a couple times a day and keep some carbs in your meals, but to each his own. I think SNS makes a solid cortisol control oral product.
yes, this is why invictus and vii kt are so good together as a fatloss combo-invictus for belly fat[cortisol] and vii kt to speed up metabolism.Rob from the IF told me the 7-keto is not particulary strong on cort control. It does have cort lowering quality, but the main reason for adding it in A7 for example is the thermogenic effect (I think). You didn't say anything about the 7-keto efficency on cort control, so this is not an argument of any kind.
The SNS Reduce XT has 7-alpha-hydroxy-dhea and 7-beta-hydroxy-dhea. Do you think those should be stronger for lowering cortisol and have better bioavailability, than 7-keto-dhea? Aren't the alpha and beta hydroxy dhea's metabolites of the 7-keto?
So you're saying C vitamin and carbs lower cortisol? (I know Ashwagandha does). Or what do you mean with the last paragraph?
That makes sense to me. Yes they do; worth a quick read.Rob from the IF told me the 7-keto is not particulary strong on cort control. It does have cort lowering quality, but the main reason for adding it in A7 for example is the thermogenic effect (I think). You didn't say anything about the 7-keto efficency on cort control, so this is not an argument of any kind.
The SNS Reduce XT has 7-alpha-hydroxy-dhea and 7-beta-hydroxy-dhea. Do you think those should be stronger for lowering cortisol and have better bioavailability, than 7-keto-dhea? Aren't the alpha and beta hydroxy dhea's metabolites of the 7-keto?
So you're saying C vitamin and carbs lower cortisol? (I know Ashwagandha does). Or what do you mean with the last paragraph?
DHEA is to help you on cycle with dry compounds. Do not take for PCT because it will suppress instead of help your body make it's own hormones. The best PCT will include clomid, exemestane, and HCG.I’m arguing with my brother at the moment about whether DHEA belongs in a PCT from a 1-Andro cycle. I’m saying no .
What is all of your guys options please
Many 4-DHEA Products are Total Garbage.Nothing against dermacrine, but I don't even understand why dhea is used as a test base when we have 4-andro available.
As others have said, it doesn't make sense to add dhea in pct when trying to get your natural production back up and running properly. I wouldn't risk it. Go with a serm and good test booster like m-test or sustain alpha. I've seen a few OTC pct products and test boosters that have dhea - avoid them for PCT.
When I learned about prohormones on another (now gone) forum, dhea was always dismissed as trash so I'm still skeptical. But, I know you know way more about this stuff than me so I won't argue.. I guess I'll have to try it one day.Many 4-DHEA Products are Total Garbage.
That's why many use Dermacrine, and why I continue to recommend it.
It works.
When I learned about prohormones on another (now gone) forum, dhea was always dismissed as trash so I'm still skeptical. But, I know you know way more about this stuff than me so I won't argue.. I guess I'll have to try it one day.
Stahhhhhposta and dhea are great for pct
Hahaha was waiting for someone to commentStahhhhhp
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