Test base for 7 weeks sarm stack

[RageAgainst]

Hi everyone, I’m planning a sarm stack as follows

- rad 140 25mg a day
- lgd 4033 10mg a day
- mk 667 25 mg a day

Pct
-nolva 40 mg for 3 weeks
-nolva 20 mg for 2 weeks


I know I need a test base, I’m thinking to use test Enanthate 100/125 mg for week,to prevent a estrogen crash, my questions are for this test dose do I need an AI?
at the end of the cycle I can start the pct after how many days if I put test enanthate as a base?

 

[Jinsun]

No. Not at all.

But if you are pining test, why not go a bit higher then 100mg? You can go 250 and still not need an ai.

Also, for a 7 week cycle go test e for 5 weeks and then switch to prop for the last 2 weeks. Or just use prop for the whole 7 weeks ...

 

[Jinsun]

Also, keep the mk during pct and after. And get some caber for prolactin control.

 

[Hyde]

I’d vote prop the entire 7 weeks. But if you use Enanthate, you are going to need to let it clear 14-17 days before PCT regardless so you will either still need prop or just accept feeling bleh at the end (and gains slowing greatly as total dosage is decreasing when you would actually want it increasing at the finale).

I also second the notion of taking ~250mg/wk. Low enough to keep sides probably nonexistent but definitely going to add gains and better feels while still letting the SARMs not get outshined. I would make it an 8 week cycle honestly with the first week just the test prop, if I had enough.

Nolva at 20mg for 5 weeks should be plenty. I mean you can do 40mg but I expect 20 to be sufficient for a 2 month cycle.

Always have an AI on hand. Exemestane is the healthiest by far, and it’s easiest to use.

 

[Jinsun]

I’d vote prop the entire 7 weeks. But if you use Enanthate, you are going to need to let it clear 14-17 days before PCT regardless so you will either still need prop or just accept feeling bleh at the end (and gains slowing greatly as total dosage is decreasing when you would actually want it increasing at the finale).

I also second the notion of taking ~250mg/wk. Low enough to keep sides probably nonexistent but definitely going to add gains and better feels while still letting the SARMs not get outshined. I would make it an 8 week cycle honestly with the first week just the test prop, if I had enough.

Nolva at 20mg for 5 weeks should be plenty. I mean you can do 40mg but I expect 20 to be sufficient for a 2 month cycle.

Always have an AI on hand. Exemestane is the healthiest by far, and it’s easiest to use.

Yeah, I'd go for 8 weeks to. Just bc 7 is strange number heh, but also, 7 is really short for such a low dose cycle. If you wanna go short you gotta go strong imo.

Test e at 250mg, should clear enough at 2 weeks time in order to start pc. Me personally, I like to pin prop ED, but can't really be bothered to do so for the whole 8 weeks, so I use it only at the end ...

 

[KvanH]

My question is if you are going to pin test, then why don't you pin more test instead of taking the sarms? I might very well just be ignorant here, but this is a honest question.

 

[Mathb33]

Prop 8-10 weeks and drop the sarms. Perfect first cycle

 

[Jinsun]

My question is if you are going to pin test, then why don't you pin more test instead of taking the sarms? I might very well just be ignorant here, but this is a honest question.

Tbh, why not? Sarms have their mechanisms of action, while test has it's. Mixing them together is not a bad idea. Although, I would throw out rad140 if test will be in the mix. Just LGD at 20mg plus test at 250mg is ok imo. Haven't used LGD but from what I've read/heard, it should be ok at 20 ...

 

[KvanH]

Tbh, why not? Sarms have their mechanisms of action, while test has it's. Mixing them together is not a bad idea. Although, I would throw out rad140 if test will be in the mix. Just LGD at 20mg plus test at 250mg is ok imo. Haven't used LGD but from what I've read/heard, it should be ok at 20 ...

My thought is that maybe something like 500 mg test / week would yield the same or more results while being more healthy? But I have not pinned test, so it's just a guess/estimation. If I would pin I wouldn't bother with sarms tho.

 

[RageAgainst]

@KvanH i would use test for prevent the estrogen crash,lower dose less side effect

 

[KvanH]

@KvanH i would use test for prevent the estrogen crash,lower dose less side effect

That's not quite what I meant. Of course it's good to have test in there with the sarms. I use td 4-andro with dry ph's and sarms because I'm a pussy and don't pin. I was thinking if bigger test dosage would be better and healthier than trt dose of test + sarms. But like stated in previous posts, I'm not that well versed on the test usage.

 

[RageAgainst]

so do you recommend test prop instead of enatate test? im gyno prone,so at 250mg exemestane every day? could i also do enanthate test for 3 weeks and then add the sarms stack

 

[RageAgainst]

@KvanH i’m a pussy too but I’m more scared of a estrogen crash, I would also have opted for the 4 andro but it would cost me 200 euros for 7 weeks, the test is way cheaper

 

[KvanH]

@KvanH i’m a pussy too but I’m more scared of a estrogen crash, I would also have opted for the 4 andro but it would cost me 200 euros for 7 weeks, the test is way cheaper

Agreed that test is cheaper and way BETTER.

I hope this is not getting too frustrating, so I will say this one more time; since you are going to buy test from some ugl and sticking a needle in your a$$, then which would be better:

100 mg test + sarms
or
350 - 500 mg test
??

That's all. I think some of these more experienced members here can answer that.

 

[RageAgainst]

I have a solid source directly from a pharmacy so for the test I am calm

 

[Whisky]

Agree with lots of the above bro.

I would up the test (and would also switch to prop for any cycle under 10 weeks). I was going to mention that whilst lots won’t need an ai on 250mg some guys are sensitive to it and would, but you’ve highlighted that and as @Hyde said my vote is also exem.

I’m not a sarm fan and most people with access to test have access to classic aas. Anavar or tbol would provide better results imo and are more widely studied. Or add another injectable like nandrolone or primo would be preferable to sarms imo, all that said, test only at 500mg a week also a great option.

its been mentioned about but based on test e half life and need for 5 lives to eliminate a drug then your pct only really gets effective around 30-40 days after the last pin. Thus switching to prop or using prop throughout is a much better option

 

[BBiceps]

Better cycle would be, throw out the SARMs, use the test and get real gear. Maybe keep the MK for PCT, along with the Nolva of course.

 

[FloridaMan]

The test base is fine and unless your body hates you, you will not need an AI. You can run the MK through PCT, and in fact it would probably help you. You wouldn't start your PCT until 2 weeks after your last test E shot.

Do you have an aversion to pinning? Because test P would be better for a short cycle that you just want to use as a test base. Test E takes 4-6 weeks just to get to stable levels, test P you'll be good in a week for stable levels

 

[RageAgainst]

assuming i use test and primobolona or anavar, pct with nolva always 5 weeks will be fine?

 

[RageAgainst]

@FloridaMan so as a basis you also say that the prop is better? let's say an injection every 3 days can be fine?

 

[Jinsun]

Test E takes 4-6 weeks just to get to stable levels

That's some old school lore right there. TestE has a Tmax of 12h so it's not a problem getting steady levels quickly, especially if you front load, which on a 7 week cycle makes all the sense to do off - course.

 

[FloridaMan]

assuming i use test and primobolona or anavar, pct with nolva always 5 weeks will be fine?

I prefer a minimum of 6 weeks, but everyone has their own way. I also prefer clomid

 

[FloridaMan]

That's some old school lore right there. TestE has a Tmax of 12h so it's not a problem getting steady levels quickly, especially if you front load, which on a 7 week cycle makes all the sense to do off - course.

Idk man, my 10 years of blood work kinda support me. In my body anyways

 

[FloridaMan]

@FloridaMan so as a basis you also say that the prop is better? let's say an injection every 3 days can be fine?

Fine is a relative term. Can you get away with it? Probably, but your hormones will be everywhere. EoD for prop would be stable.

 

[Jinsun]

@FloridaMan so as a basis you also say that the prop is better? let's say an injection every 3 days can be fine?

As I've pointed way back bro, prop needs to be spinned every day. For stable levels off course. You can also pin it EOD but you wont really have stable blood levels.

 

[FloridaMan]

As I've pointed way back bro, prop needs to be spinned every day. For stable levels off course. You can also pin it EOD but you wont really have stable blood levels.

I agree that prop pinned every day will be the most stable, something tells me this kid/guy doesn't want to pin much if at all

 

[FloridaMan]

As I've pointed way back bro, prop needs to be spinned every day. For stable levels off course. You can also pin it EOD but you wont really have stable blood levels.

I agree that prop pinned every day will be the most stable, something tells me this kid/guy doesn't want to pin much if at all

 

[FloridaMan]

As I've pointed way back bro, prop needs to be spinned every day. For stable levels off course. You can also pin it EOD but you wont really have stable blood levels.

I agree that prop pinned every day will be the most stable, something tells me this kid/guy doesn't want to pin much if at all

 

[Jinsun]

I agree that prop pinned every day will be the most stable, something tells me this kid/guy doesn't want to pin much if at all

I presume that to. That why I already said, that use E for 5 weeks and prop for 2.

 

[FloridaMan]

I presume that to. That why I already said, that use E for 5 weeks and prop for 2.

Oh God, I accidentally replied to you like 4 times... My bad.

My brain is not wrapping my head around test E for 5 weeks to be honest. I'm gonna need to start doing more research into that

 

[Jinsun]

Oh God, I accidentally replied to you like 4 times... My bad.

My brain is not wrapping my head around test E for 5 weeks to be honest. I'm gonna need to start doing more research into that

250mg's of test E will more or less clear out in 2 - 3 weeks time. While E is clearing out, you are using prop, bc it has a one day HL you can use it almost all the way up to pct.

 

[FloridaMan]

250mg's of test E will more or less clear out in 2 - 3 weeks time. While E is clearing out, you are using prop, bc it has a one day HL you can use it almost all the way up to pct.

I just mean that, the affects of the E will not really be felt within that 5 week period. Or at least I never have, and my blood work is never stable until a minimum of 4 weeks.

 

[Jinsun]

I just mean that, the affects of the E will not really be felt within that 5 week period. Or at least I never have, and my blood work is never stable until a minimum of 4 weeks.

I said to front load it. Why I am repeating my self 10x over. Front load 500mg the first week and your done.

What you feel with test e at week 5 is the 5a reductase catching up. And the nitrogen retention.

 

[FloridaMan]

I said to front load it. Why I am repeating my self 10x over. Front load 500mg the first week and your done.

What you feel with test e at week 5 is the 5a reductase catching up. And the nitrogen retention.

Even with a front load my test at week 2 vs week 5 does not level out and become stable until the end of week 4. I've done blood work at week 1-2-3-4-5-6. So in my experience and testing front loading is bullshit and a waste of steroids.

 

[Jinsun]

Even with a front load my test at week 2 vs week 5 does not level out and become stable until the end of week 4. I've done blood work at week 1-2-3-4-5-6. So in my experience and testing front loading is bullshit and a waste of steroids.

Ok. I'll let you and the OP sorted it out.

 

[RageAgainst]

sorry for the late reply but the work commits me, I would have made a change you tell me how you see it, 10 weeks cycle

Week 1-8 test enathate 250 mg, exemestane on hand maybe 25 mg every 3 days at 25 mg

Week 3-10 sarm stack (rad,lgd,mk) doses written in my initial post

Pct
Week 1-3 nolva 40 mg
Week 3-6 nolva 20 mg

I will be using finasteride throughout the cycle at 5mg

 

[RageAgainst]

Ps sorry guys for my brutal english but i'm an ignorant italian

 

[FloridaMan]

sorry for the late reply but the work commits me, I would have made a change you tell me how you see it, 10 weeks cycle

Week 1-8 test enathate 250 mg, exemestane on hand maybe 25 mg every 3 days at 25 mg

Week 3-10 sarm stack (rad,lgd,mk) doses written in my initial post

Pct
Week 1-3 nolva 40 mg
Week 3-6 nolva 20 mg

I will be using finasteride throughout the cycle at 5mg

That much aromasin is a lot for 250mg of test. Cut that in half. Why aren't you running 10 weeks of test? Seems like a waste if you have 10ml bottle

 

[RageAgainst]

at 18 I was operated on for gynecomastia
so i prefer to be safe.
so 10 weeks of test enathate and pct from week 12?

 

[FloridaMan]

at 18 I was operated on for gynecomastia
so i prefer to be safe.
so 10 weeks of test enathate and pct from week 12?

You do you man, your joints won't be happy, but at least you won't grow tits. Also yes, PCT 2 weeks after your last test E dose

 

[RageAgainst]

@FloridaMan thank you so much for your time, thanks to all of you guys for your help

 

[Hyde]

Are you already balding or using Finasteride? If not, I wouldn’t use Finasteride for only 250 test.

I wouldn’t use that much Exemestane unless your body fat is over 20% minimum, and it still could be too much.

 

[RageAgainst]

I have more or less the same amount of hair as uzoma obilor im using finasteride from one year, my father at 18 was already bald, I have a lot of hair it's more of my paranoia the doctor didn't even want to give it to me, no side effects with regards to sex i'm like a year ago

 

[RageAgainst]

Im 188 cm and 99 kg bf at 8% measured with the skinfolder
i can take exemestane only in case i feel discomfort in my nipples

 

[Whisky]

Im 188 cm and 99 kg bf at 8% measured with the skinfolder
i can take exemestane only in case i feel discomfort in my nipples

yeah I get the concern with gyno bro but that really is a **** load of exem. To give a comparison I use 12.5mg a week on 600mg test. Ai needs is very much individual but 25mg every 3 days for 250mg test is more than I have seen anyone (who does blood work) need tbh

 

[Hyde]

Im 188 cm and 99 kg bf at 8% measured with the skinfolder
i can take exemestane only in case i feel discomfort in my nipples

Get some Raloxifene. Just 30mg a day will make a difference in gyno protection, and it actually supports bone density. You can run it all cycle and use less AI with better gyno protection actually.

 

[RageAgainst]

ok so either I reduce exemestane, or I take raloxifene, in addition to the analysis how can I tell if my estrogen is too high?

 

[RageAgainst]

Do I do the blood work after 2 weeks after starting the test?

 

[KvanH]

ok so either I reduce exemestane, or I take raloxifene, in addition to the analysis how can I tell if my estrogen is too high?

1. Blood work

2. Nip sensitivity/water retention/blood work/moodynes/ed/blood work

 

[Jinsun]

Get some Raloxifene. Just 30mg a day will make a difference in gyno protection, and it actually supports bone density. You can run it all cycle and use less AI with better gyno protection actually.

If I remember correctly it also helps a lot with lipids.