Donald Trump running for president

[ax1]

Leave the society if you dislike it that much. You are accountable to others while in a society, if you dont want to be, leave.

Simple.

Stop pretending you are entitled. You're not.

I actually love society so Im not going anywhere. I hold myself accountable to stand up to big government trolls like you who bully people around and tell them whats best for them and what they can or cant do with their own lives.

 

[Jiigzz]

Go live in a bubble, and dont drive, what if you hit somebody?

Laws prevent me from driving on the sidewalk, or running a red light, or driving without a seat belt, or speeding, or jay walking. Those laws are designed to reduce harm on the roads in a society.

I don't get to decide when I'm fed up with those rules and just do my own thing, and neither do you.

If you dont like the rules, leave.

 

[thebigt]

No, that's violent.

are you speaking for democrats?

even releasing all non-violent prisoners throws out your accountability theory. this means they can steal your car or break into your home when you are not there with zero repercussion.

 

[thebigt]

Laws prevent me from driving on the sidewalk, or running a red light, or driving without a seat belt, or speeding, or jay walking. Those laws are designed to reduce harm on the roads in a society.

I don't get to decide when I'm fed up with those rules and just do my own thing, and neither do you.

If you dont like the rules, leave.

are those non-violent offenses?

 

[ax1]

Laws prevent me from driving on the sidewalk, or running a red light, or driving without a seat belt, or speeding, or jay walking. Those laws are designed to reduce harm on the roads in a society.

I don't get to decide when I'm fed up with those rules and just do my own thing, and neither do you.

If you dont like the rules, leave.

10s of thousand of people die in America every year from auto accidents, many of them people trying to drive properly. You are accountable to others while in a society, so it better you walk instead of being behind a wheel of a 2 ton projectile.

 

[Jiigzz]

are you speaking for democrats?

even releasing all non-violent prisoners throws out your accountability theory. this means they can steal your car or break into your home when you are not there with zero repercussion.

Noone is saying zero repercussion AT ALL. The twisting of arguments is absolutely insane.

 

[ax1]

I don't get to decide when I'm fed up with those rules and just do my own thing, and neither do you.

I follow our US Constitution and rule of law. Constitutionally, I have the obligation to stand up to you big government bully's.

 

[Jiigzz]

10s of thousand of people die in America every year from auto accidents, many of them people trying to drive properly. You are accountable to others while in a society, so it better you walk instead of being behind a wheel of a 2 ton projectile.

You can't prevent all death, so stop using that as your default argument. The point is to reduce risk. Those laws exist to reduce risk.

Stop resulting to ad reductio arguments.

Like I said, you WANT to INCREASE risk. Therefore you should leave to a place that has more risk. Simple solution.

 

[ax1]

You can't prevent all death, so stop using that as your default argument. The point is to reduce risk. Those laws exist to reduce risk.

Stop resulting to ad reductio arguments.

Like I said, you WANT to INCREASE risk. Therefore you should leave to a place that has more risk. Simple solution.

The law is the US Constitution, and my Founding Fathers would put you in prison for the behavior you condone should you participate in it.

 

[Jiigzz]

I follow our US Constitution and rule of law. Constitutional, I have the obligation to stand up to you big government bully's.

LOL today I learned that Big Government bullys are people who want people to stop being self centered a**holes.

 

[Jiigzz]

The law is the US Constitution, and my Founding Fathers would put you in prison for the behavior you condone should you participate in it.

You've lost the plot lol

 

[Jiigzz]

The law is the US Constitution, and my Founding Fathers would put you in prison for the behavior you condone should you participate in it.

Guess what the first 3 words of the constitution are?

We the People.

The words are not "I the individual".

 

[ax1]

You can't prevent all death, so stop using that as your default argument. The point is to reduce risk. Those laws exist to reduce risk.

Stop resulting to ad reductio arguments.

Like I said, you WANT to INCREASE risk. Therefore you should leave to a place that has more risk. Simple solution.

We can most significantly reduce death by mandating caloric restrictions and rationing food. We would save far more people doing that than what they are doing with the CCP-Virus simply by outlawing eating so darn much.

 

[ax1]

Guess what the first 3 words of the constitution are?

We the People.

The words are not "I the individual".

Jesus, can you freaking read it for once, and perhaps also read the Federalist Papers so you can understand it in better clarity, lol

 

[Jiigzz]

Weird how this is in the constitution

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

 

[Jiigzz]

We can most significantly reduce death by mandating caloric restrictions and rationing food. We would save far more people doing that than what they are doing with the CCP-Virus simply by outlawing eating so darn much.

Last I checked, i couldn't pass obesity to people I'm in contact with.

 

[ax1]

Last I checked, i couldn't pass obesity to people I'm in contact with.

Yes it does, people get people to overeat all the time, I have to fight it off all the time but most people fall for it and get fatter as they get older. Its a mental disease and its contagious.

 

[Jiigzz]

Yes it does, people get people to overeat all the time, I have to fight it off all the time but most people fall for it and get fatter as they get older. Its a mental disease and its contagious.

It is not contagious.

 

[ax1]

It is not contagious.

Neither is living in a bubble, so move.

 

[Jiigzz]

Neither is living in a bubble, so move.

Not how it works, sorry. You are accountable to others. If you want more risk, then move somewhere else.

That's how it works. You cant drive on the footpath just because you dont want the govt telling you what to do.

 

[ax1]

Not how it works, sorry. You are accountable to others. If you want more risk, then move somewhere else.

That's how it works. You cant drive on the footpath just because you dont want the govt telling you what to do.

And your not accountable to others when you condone shutting out businesses and making people go bankrupt fall into a deep depression, drug use, suicide, starving family children, etc...are you going to be accountable for that?

You dont solve problems by stripping the freedoms and liberties away from people, when you empower the government to do that we head in the direction of authoritarianism, and nothing is as dangerous to society and kills more people than authoritarian government. As a matter of fact, "democide" is the number one cause of death of humans the past 100 years.

So if you want me to be accountable to the lives of people, then to you big government goblins, I say hell no. Ill save far more lives by standing up to freedom and taking common sense legal actions to help people from getting sick.

 

[ax1]

Weird how this is in the constitution

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

Where does it say you can set up an insurance program from people or steal money from whitey and hand it over to other skin pigments?

The Constitution doesnt evolve around Section 8 alone.

 

[Jiigzz]

And your not accountable to others when you condone shutting out businesses and making people go bankrupt fall into a deep depression, drug use, suicide, starving family children, etc...are you going to be accountable for that?

You dont solve problems by stripping the freedoms and liberties away from people, when you empower the government to do that we head in the direction of authoritarianism, and nothing is as dangerous to society and kills more people than authoritarian government. As a matter of fact, "democide" is the number one cause of death of humans the past 100 years.

So if you want me to be accountable to the lives of people, then to you big government goblins, I say hell no. Ill save far more lives by standing up to freedom and taking common sense legal actions to help people from getting sick.

We did it annnnnnddddd now we're all free again.

Meanwhile 3,000 people died yesterday so that you could continue to be selfish today.

#everydayhero

 

[Jiigzz]

"I hate the government!"

Screamed the person in their MAGA hat from inside their car with Trump flags and bumper stickers.

 

[ax1]

We did it annnnnnddddd now we're all free again.

Meanwhile 3,000 people died yesterday so that you could continue to be selfish today.

#everydayhero

If you dont want to take a risk stay home. Staying home isnt contagious. Leave everybody else alone.

 

[ax1]

"I hate the government!"

Screamed the person in their MAGA hat from inside their car with Trump flags and bumper stickers.

LMFAO, A vote for Dump is a vote for big monster government.

 

[Jiigzz]

If you dont want to take a risk stay home. Staying home isnt contagious. Leave everybody else alone.

Like I said before, this would be the solution if the hospitals didn't also have 'covid deniers' flooding the ER with covid symptoms and overwhelming the hospitals.

If you take the risk, the result should be no treatment. Period.

 

[Jiigzz]

"Tony Green was a Covid-19 denier. The Dallas man, a supporter of Donald Trump, believed the pandemic was a hoax designed to cause panic and hurt Trump's re-election changes.
That's until the 43-year-old was hospitalised with the virus.
After hosting a family event at his home, 12 of his family members contracted Covid-19.

Two of them died."

As Tony Green once would have said "I'll take the risk" and ended up as 1 of the many who relied on hospital staff and medical resources to save his life.

If I drive my car without a warrant of fitness, insurance wont cover me regardless of how safe i thought it was. If i crash, all costs are on me for taking an unnecessary risk.

Same should apply for people like you who think 300,000 people dying is collateral damage so you can walk around and breathe on people you think you're better than.

 

[ax1]

Like I said before, this would be the solution if the hospitals didn't also have 'covid deniers' flooding the ER with covid symptoms and overwhelming the hospitals.

If you take the risk, the result should be no treatment. Period.

Great, give me a waiver Ill sign off on that right now. I bet most people will do so, when it comes to feeding their children they will risk death over watching their families suffer.

 

[ax1]

Same should apply for people like you who think 300,000 people dying is collateral damage so you can walk around and breathe on people you think you're better than.

Most of those people dying are fat lazy people and elderly. Mandate fat lazy people and elderly to stay at home and be done with it. Let healthy people be responsible so we can take care of our bills and keep the US economy strong.

 

[thebigt]

still no word on alfred bourgeois execution....there was some question of his mental disability---but the guy was employed as a long haul truck driver?

 

[HIT4ME]

Like I said before, this would be the solution if the hospitals didn't also have 'covid deniers' flooding the ER with covid symptoms and overwhelming the hospitals.

If you take the risk, the result should be no treatment. Period.

So while I don't disagree that individuals need to take more personal responsibility and care for others more - I am not sure the government's role is so clear cut.

I mean, if the government can start making calls on contagious diseases, where are the lines? If you get the flu do you have to stay home? Because that may be a risk factor to some people. What if you are symtpomless and pass some disease to someone? Can the government take your freedoms because you are sick, like sending lepers to an island?

Does it become a crime to spread disease? If you are asymptomatic and unknowledgable and thus have no malice aforethought can it still be criminal?

And sure, obesity isn't contagious, but it is a huge cost to society and shifts costs from the person responsible onto others when you talk government Healthcare and insurance, etc. I mean, obesity caused heart attacks and strokes regularly occupy hospital beds that slow down treatment for other emergencies, and statins, ace inhibitors, etc. Are a huge cost to insurance companies because of obesity.

Not trying to argue here...just ask some legit questions that I find difficult to answer and draw the line on. I personally think from a personal level it is an easy choice to sacrifice for others...but it is not the governments role to make that decision for me.

The irony is most big government people will say it isn't ok for the government to prevent a woman from killing a baby, but they are fine allowing the government to tell people they cannot spread disease. It certainly is not a simple world.

 

[ax1]

If you take the risk, the result should be no treatment. Period.

That should be up to the hospital and how they want to cater the free market. If there wasnt so much government regulation in the way, the ER systems wouldnt be overwhelmed at all.

 

[Jiigzz]

Great, give me a waiver Ill sign off on that right now. I bet most people will do so, when it comes to feeding their children they will risk death over watching their families suffer.

Ah yes, wealth over health. Long live the Dow Jones! We must DIE to protect it!

 

[ax1]

Ah yes, wealth over health. Long live the Dow Jones! We must DIE to protect it!

100s of millions of people died due to a lack of fiscal irresponsibility from the individual level to the government.

But you have a steak on your table tonight and eating your apple sauce with a silver spoon and you know whats best for a guy who lost his business this weak because people like you were trying to keep him safe, and now his wife is leaving him because they the bank is going to take their house and his kids have to go out and find food in garbage cans. All that and now their health is deteriating because of people like you who lack fiscal sense in dealing with health crisis's and not only that family more prone to death from the current virus but even more vulnerable if something else comes up. But at least people like you kept them safe, nice job!

 

[Jiigzz]

So while I don't disagree that individuals need to take more personal responsibility and care for others more - I am not sure the government's role is so clear cut.

I mean, if the government can start making calls on contagious diseases, where are the lines? If you get the flu do you have to stay home? Because that may be a risk factor to some people. What if you are symtpomless and pass some disease to someone? Can the government take your freedoms because you are sick, like sending lepers to an island?

Does it become a crime to spread disease? If you are asymptomatic and unknowledgable and thus have no malice aforethought can it still be criminal?

And sure, obesity isn't contagious, but it is a huge cost to society and shifts costs from the person responsible onto others when you talk government Healthcare and insurance, etc. I mean, obesity caused heart attacks and strokes regularly occupy hospital beds that slow down treatment for other emergencies, and statins, ace inhibitors, etc. Are a huge cost to insurance companies because of obesity.

Not trying to argue here...just ask some legit questions that I find difficult to answer and draw the line on. I personally think from a personal level it is an easy choice to sacrifice for others...but it is not the governments role to make that decision for me.

The irony is most big government people will say it isn't ok for the government to prevent a woman from killing a baby, but they are fine allowing the government to tell people they cannot spread disease. It certainly is not a simple world.

It is criminal to knowingly spread a deadly disease. Those laws were around during the HIV epidemic, and are still in place today.

The difference between a typical flu and novel virus is that with an established flu we can anticipate the approximate cost to life and economy. We deal with it every single year and the hospitalisation rate doesn't overwhelm hospitals or kill an astronomical amount of people.

With novel viruses we simply do not know what the long term consequences are and won't know a 'true' case fatality rate until the dust settles.

The problem is, people are willing to gamble lives because they think they know everything there is to know about covid. 2% of people die, blah blah blah. A lot still dont think it actually exists, and if they do, they compare a 0.1% case fatality rate to a 2% fatality rate.

If a hundred people get the flu, 0.1 of them die. In a covid situation, approximately 2 die. Far more are hospitalized.

Fetuses arent babies, so let's clear that terminology up.

 

[Jiigzz]

100s of millions of people died due to a lack of fiscal irresponsibility from the individual level to the government.

But you have a steak on your table tonight and eating your apple sauce with a silver spoon and you know whats best for a guy who lost his business this weak because people like you were trying to keep him safe, and now his wife is leaving him because they the bank is going to take their house and his kids have to go out and find food in garbage cans. All that and now their health is deteriating because of people like you who lack fiscal sense in dealing with health crisis's and not only that family more prone to death from the current virus but even more vulnerable if something else comes up. But at least people like you kept them safe, nice job!

3,000 people died yesterday so you could write this comment.

 

[ax1]

3,000 people died yesterday so you could write this comment.

There are 3,287 deaths on average every day from auto accidents, but you want to be a selfish prick and drive but then tell others they cant work and feed their family.

 

[Jiigzz]

There are 3,287 deaths on average every day from auto accidents, but you want to be a selfish prick and drive but then tell others they cant work and feed their family.

1 million people die each year from auto accidents in the US? You sure on those figures?

 

[ax1]

1 million people die each year from auto accidents in the US? You sure on those figures?

Thats globally, but this more certainly is a global pandemic and driving must be stopped.

Not only is there over 1 million global deaths a year, but 20-50 million are injured and/or disabled every year.

2 Million are disabled globally ever year.

US alone there are 6 million accidents a year, over 16k crashes a day,

Car crashes are the leading cause of death in the USA ages 15-29, so if you want to really save lives from a pandemic, you all shytholes stop driving these terrorist tanks because CCP lockdowns barely saves anybody that age group.

Selfish pricks. That includes each and every one of you, hahahaha!!

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[thebigt]

@ax1 hey, you posted something about aliens earlier and i wanted to comment but i had something i needed to do....would you mind posting it again?

 

[thebigt]

alfred bourgeois is scheduled for execution today at the federal prison here in terre haute, if his execution is 'executed' he will be the 2nd in 2 days.

bourgeois was convicted of systematically abusing, torturing his 2 and a half year old daughter--including punching her in the face, whipping her with an electrical cord, and burning the bottom of her foot with a cigarette lighter, before eventually becoming enraged and slamming the back of her head into the window and dashboard of his truck and killing her.

bourgeois was pronounced dead at 8:21 pm

 

[Jiigzz]

Thats globally, but this more certainly is a global pandemic and driving must be stopped.

Not only is there over 1 million global deaths a year, but 20-50 million are injured and/or disabled every year.

2 Million are disabled globally ever year.

US alone there are 6 million accidents a year, over 16k crashes a day,

Car crashes are the leading cause of death in the USA ages 15-29, so if you want to really save lives from a pandemic, you all shytholes stop driving these terrorist tanks because CCP lockdowns barely saves anybody that age group.

Selfish pricks. That includes each and every one of you, hahahaha!!

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Do you actually think about your arguments before you post?

There are like 35,000 deaths a year from car accidents, despite there being in excess of 100,000,000 people driving EACH day. Multiply cars driving on road by 365, and you get 36,500,000,000 cars on the roads each year.

35,000 deaths across 36,500,000,000 car trips is barely anything. That is incalculable odds.

And somehow you're trying to compare 3,000 covid deaths per day across 15,000,000 cases as being equitable?

If there was a 2% car crash fatality rate each DAY for total cars on the road, you better believe any country would be panicking about that.

 

[Ricky10]

Like I said before, this would be the solution if the hospitals didn't also have 'covid deniers' flooding the ER with covid symptoms and overwhelming the hospitals.

If you take the risk, the result should be no treatment. Period.

If you only knew how many times I have thought this, and said it to my colleagues. Obviously, many agree. A few nurses have berated positive patients for the irresponsible behaviors that led to their infection, as contributing to the burden on the healthcare system and workers that have been pressed to the limit is selfish in itself. The healthcare system continues to be taken for granted- we are always there to pick up the pieces, but people need to seriously consider the reality that space and medical personnel is very limited.

Burnout isn’t even the word for what is happening. It would make our lives much easier if people could be denied hospitalization for participation in high risk behaviors/events. We have had many of these cases which usually involve travel from state to state for personal gatherings. Past few days has been heavy with incoming patients from long term care facilities. Sucks ballz more than anyone can imagine!

 

[Jiigzz]

If you only knew how many times I have thought this, and said it to my colleagues. Obviously, many agree. A few nurses have berated positive patients for the irresponsible behaviors that led to their infection, as contributing to the burden on the healthcare system and workers that have been pressed to the limit is selfish in itself. The healthcare system continues to be taken for granted- we are always there to pick up the pieces, but people need to seriously consider the reality that space and medical personnel is very limited.

Burnout isn’t even the word for what is happening. It would make our lives much easier if people could be denied hospitalization for participation in high risk behaviors/events. We have had many of these cases which usually involve travel from state to state for personal gatherings. Past few days has been heavy with incoming patients from long term care facilities. Sucks ballz more than anyone can imagine!

I can imagine that the holiday seasons are going to result in exponential hospitalizations.

The thing is, it didn't need to be a full "lock it down" response, however given how many people cant even follow the absolute minimum health advice, that leaves very little options.

For bible thumping Christian's, people sure don't actually care about the weak and vulnerable.

Imagine being able to prevent 3000 deaths a day by practicing a bit of selflessness, and instead crumbling to pieces and crying about how you shouldnt have to think about anyone but yourself AND then going to church on sunday. LOL

 

[tyga tyga]

OoOoOf, I don’t know why you’re so adamant about attacking Christians with the last few pages @jiggz. But, know that blanket statement doesn’t apply to all.

 

[Ricky10]

So hazard pay is being mandated for businesses/employers here in Portland, Maine. As a result, they are increasing the cost of goods/food in order to pay employees the extra money. Since people are supposedly hard up for money during the pandemic- why would consumers be willing or be able to pay these higher prices? They will probably just drive customers and profits away

On the subject of hazard pay, it’s also a huge part of low morale among healthcare workers (in most areas). We are the ones dealing with the mental, physical, and exposure stressors more than anyone- especially now. It’s a slap in the face to see people at regular jobs that are far less intense and high risk that are getting premium pay. Absolutely ridiculous!

 

[Ricky10]

I can imagine that the holiday seasons are going to result in exponential hospitalizations.

The thing is, it didn't need to be a full "lock it down" response, however given how many people cant even follow the absolute minimum health advice, that leaves very little options.

For bible thumping Christian's, people sure don't actually care about the weak and vulnerable.

Imagine being able to prevent 3000 deaths a day by practicing a bit of selflessness, and instead crumbling to pieces and crying about how you shouldnt have to think about anyone but yourself AND then going to church on sunday. LOL

It’s a double edged sword for me- as I see and live on both sides. I am a hospital worker, and when I don’t work- I am like everyone else. Though it’s hard for me to live a normal life on my off days as work is so mentally taxing.

I do small family gatherings, and I even went to a Halloween party- but I wore a mask. I was a police officer...haha! I also plan to have a family Christmas gathering, as we do every year. It will be 8 people or less and they are all people/family that adhere to simple measures. Maybe I will be vaccinated by then too...I don’t really know yet when it will be available at my hospital.

I basically just get upset when people show up requiring China virus hospitalization after doing something blatantly stupid. Surprisingly, people seem to be quite honest about it.

 

[puccah8808]

So hazard pay is being mandated for businesses/employers here in Portland, Maine. As a result, they are increasing the cost of goods/food in order to pay employees the extra money. Since people are supposedly hard up for money during the pandemic- why would consumers be willing or be able to pay these higher prices? They will probably just drive customers and profits away

On the subject of hazard pay, it’s also a huge part of low morale among healthcare workers (in most areas). We are the ones dealing with the mental, physical, and exposure stressors more than anyone- especially now. It’s a slap in the face to see people at regular jobs that are far less intense and high risk that are getting premium pay. Absolutely ridiculous!

Well, if it makes you feel a little better, I’m not getting premium pay. I’ve been going to the office every day since March trying to make sure my remote workers are running smoothly aka I’m their little b*tch.

 

[thebigt]

on a brighter note one of my christmas presents came early...i got a call that the david gilmour live in pompeii my wife ordered me was in...put metallica S@M 2 on order.