Donald Trump running for president

rubberring said:
Well, it was the system I accepted when Trump won in 2016 and lost the popular vote by a lot... under a cloud of outside interference. It is what it is. And yeah, I have as much faith in it as I do our republic, for better or for worse. Otherwise... there is no actual America.
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Its not the system you accepted in 2016, this is the 2020 CCP-Virus system that was implemented forcfully on the population and not only was it controversial in implementing it, but had been controversial for many years. It was a clusterfuq from the beginning.

Its really sad to see people have such low standards in the voting system and are that trustworthy of having such a system that is so prone to flaws and criminality its utterly unbelievable.
 
rubberring said:
Bro, straight up... I don't wanna argue and sling crap at each other incessantly. It was fun for both of us for a minute, but we're both grown men and we can find a level of understanding. Even if it's just agreeing we don't have a level of understanding. Lol

But I swear to you... I'm not a registered Democrat who sees Biden as "his guy" and will fight tooth and nail to defend my "side." If there is massive fraud, then damn straight I want ti exposed. But the facts just don't support it. I truly believe Biden won this election fair and square. Now, we can speculate what would've happened if there was no pandemic, etc., but that's all beside the point when it comes to reality.

Totally understand the anger and disappointment by those who wanted Trump to win. But this attempt at a coup is disgustingly dangerous to our democracy. It jus is. And please don't retort with, "But the Dems..." because that's not my team.
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It's been fun, yes - but I wasn't slinging anything at you with that post. I'm actually digging into the data. Have you ever read the book Freakonomics? I'm basing the model a little bit on that and how he caught teachers cheating and got a bunch of them fired.

I'm not saying that there IS fraud, just that there is enough suspicion that it SHOULD be investigated and the left's staunch belief that there is no fraud is unfounded. There CLEARLY is fraud - at what level we don't know and it may not have swung the election.

But in 2016 the dems had all the same claims. In 2018 many dems raised concerns over voting machines, etc. There was an investigation into voting machines in 2019 that showed at least one company was taking kick backs and doing some really shady stuff.

And, of course the real issue could be that the republicans ignored it in 2016 when they won - and now the dems are ignoring it when they won. I'm not really sure about the entire thing - but I do find a lot of the data very suspicious and it's absurd that Biden, who had hardly anyone at his rallies gathered more votes than Obama. The furor he had among his followers was INSANE back then. I would say more powerful than the current hatred for Trump; although the current hatred for Trump may be more irrational. At least it made sense that some guy who took the world by storm and could become the first black president would have a lot of craze going on about him - regardless of his policies, side, etc.
 
HIT4ME said:
And, of course the real issue could be that the republicans ignored it in 2016 when they won - and now the dems are ignoring it when they won.

I'm not really sure about the entire thing - but I do find a lot of the data very suspicious and it's absurd that Biden, who had hardly anyone at his rallies gathered more votes than Obama.
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Absolutely. The Dems and the GOP are great at hypocrisy. Always have been.

Totally understand that take. But if you factor in the pandemic and how the Dems pushed mail-in while Trump demonized it, it makes sense. The numbers for Trump were high on election night, leading to a false sense of what had happened... then the leads vanished as mail-in was counted. I definitely don't think Biden is anywhere near as popular a candidate as was Obama, but the bottom line is that they made voting EASIER this year. And there was a sh%t-ton of Trump hate, moreso than Biden love.
 
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Ben Shapiro is one of the most intelligent (albeit annoying af, Lol) voices on the GOP side of things. He'd be ALL over massive voter fraud. He's mum on it and has called for Trump to start the transition. Same with other Republican voices who have a track record for not letting emotion dictate their speech. Now, that doesn't mean anything on its own, but it's telling nonetheless.
 
rubberring said:
Kudos. Seriously. That kind of honesty is refreshing.

I can't stand him for a few different reasons... but his pandemic response just isn't one of them. Especially relative to what other governors haven't done. It could be a lot worse here without some of his decisions.
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I actually like listening to Ben time to time. He never came across as a loyal Dump supporter this little Ive heard him. I think he more libertarian than Republicrat.

Alot of Republicrats are far more Groper Joe loyalists than they even had been to Dump as they all are part of the same club.
 
dixonk said:
I’m not going to make a navy joke...I’m not going to make a navy joke...ah **** it.

100 sailors went out to sea, and 50 couples came back home.
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i am very proud to have served in the navy!!! :)
 
Ehh not exactly, ben has called for a complete audit...because as he put it, it can’t hurt

he speaks mostly on the election outcome and the legality of the cases which we have established doesn’t mean there wasn’t fraud or any other shady things that have happened during this election

A complete audit may do a lot of good to get ppl to trust the election...doesn’t mean trump wins or that there still isn’t shady ness in this election, it would be done to instill confidence

we already know the evidence points to a questionable election at best...so why not do what we can to bring in as much confidence as possible? But for some reason the anti trump cult doesn’t seem to care about any of that
 
dixonk said:
I’m not going to make a navy joke...I’m not going to make a navy joke...ah **** it.

100 sailors went out to sea, and 50 couples came back home.
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Some of the weirdest sh*t I’ve ever done was to military men! And, ha, I laughed way too hard at this.
 
Young Gotti said:
Ehh not exactly, ben has called for a complete audit...because as he put it, it can’t hurt

he speaks mostly on the election outcome and the legality of the cases which we have established doesn’t mean there wasn’t fraud or any other shady things that have happened during this election

A complete audit may do a lot of good to get ppl to trust the election...doesn’t mean trump wins or that there still isn’t shady ness in this election, it would be done to instill confidence

we already know the evidence points to a questionable election at best...so why not do what we can to bring in as much confidence as possible? But for some reason the anti trump cult doesn’t seem to care about any of that
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And just where was this perspective in 2016... in an actual *close* race, where the winner lost the popular vote?

And Trump can order all the recounts he wants while he throws his hissy with Giuliani cheering him on (and collecting that $$). He's entitled to that. Recounts aren't free. He's cherry-picking Wisconsin counties for that very reason.

I'm not upset that Trump wants recounts. At all. Go for it. But this massive conspiracy/voter fraud sh%t-slinging against WI and MI clerks, etc. should be beneath our Presidency. Should be. Throw out hundreds of thousands of PA votes and award Trump the win? They seriously requested that. It's a clown show.
 
rubberring said:
What?? You're making a boatload of assumptions, my man. I don't even think I've acknowledged who I voted for, nor have I asserted anything about Trump's record of failure or non-failure. I've referred only to current events. Not sure what you're referring to.
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Perhaps I’ve lumped you into what someone else was saying...don’t believe so but I’ve been wrong before a couple times. But I surely don’t care enough to go back and look. 😂

I just like to come into this thread to see who’s using numbers and reasoning, who’s going by feelz, and who is ridiculously hypocritical. It’s entertaining.
 
rubberring said:
And just where was this perspective in 2016... in an actual *close* race, where the winner lost the popular vote?

And Trump can order all the recounts he wants while he throws his hissy with Giuliani cheering him on (and collecting that $$). He's entitled to that. Recounts aren't free. He's cherry-picking Wisconsin counties for that very reason.


rubberring said:
And just where was this perspective in 2016... in an actual *close* race, where the winner lost the popular vote?

And Trump can order all the recounts he wants while he throws his hissy with Giuliani cheering him on (and collecting that $$). He's entitled to that. Recounts aren't free. He's cherry-picking Wisconsin counties for that very reason.

I'm not upset that Trump wants recounts. At all. Go for it. But this massive conspiracy/voter fraud sh%t-slinging against WI and MI clerks, etc. should be beneath our Presidency. Should be. Throw out hundreds of thousands of PA votes and award Trump the win? They seriously requested that. It's a clown show.
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you are being dishonest in that post

ppl bitched for 4 years and used tax payer money on some worthless investigation...you can’t get mad when you set the rules for something and then someone else uses the rules against you...trump and his ppl can bitch for the next 4 years and beyond about this election...hell Hillary still thinks she was robbed, Stacy Abrams thinks she’s the gov of Georgia and she lost by more than trump did in that state

recounts shouldn’t be costing him money, it’s dumb, especially with an election like this with all the questions,concerns,and evidence involved

calling something a conspiracy when there is evidence of said thing is the opposite of a conspiracy

PA is the clown show here, what they did in order to get their way is a joke...we all laugh and criticize cuomo and newsom but wolf is right up there with them for being the type of politician that everyone can’t stand
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Young Gotti said:
you are being dishonest....ppl bitched and moaned for 4 years about the last election....then used tax payer money on a stupid investigation

recounts should be free especially in an election like this with so many questions,concerns, and evidence
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Fk off with calling me dishonest. I'm turning it on you and asking why Trump wouldn't have supported a complete election audit... ya know... just to make sure. Bitching about an election is completely different than attempting to stage a coup based on absolutely no PROOF. Obama called Trump and began the transition immediately. And btw, every American intelligence agency confirmed there was election interference from outside our country. It's not even questionable.

Wanna know why the Wisconsin recount isn't free? Because Republicans voted against that.
 
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GreenMachineX said:
Wait, that’s real??? That’s not edited?!
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I suspect he went on to say something in regard to them creating an organization that ensures there is no fraud, but it’s fun nonetheless. Besides, if you claim your administration has the power to ensure there is no voter fraud, wouldn’t the opposite be true? They know how the fraudulent system works, because they are the fraudulent system. So in a sense, he is admitting it after all. 😉

rubberring said:
This is real too...

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It’s fair to say we all lose our way from time time. I think those are largely hysterical though in a good way! It’s great to see a president with a fun personality!
 
rubberring said:
And just where was this perspective in 2016... in an actual *close* race, where the winner lost the popular vote?

And Trump can order all the recounts he wants while he throws his hissy with Giuliani cheering him on (and collecting that $$). He's entitled to that. Recounts aren't free. He's cherry-picking Wisconsin counties for that very reason.

I'm not upset that Trump wants recounts. At all. Go for it. But this massive conspiracy/voter fraud sh%t-slinging against WI and MI clerks, etc. should be beneath our Presidency. Should be. Throw out hundreds of thousands of PA votes and award Trump the win? They seriously requested that. It's a clown show.
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I dont think its fair to just throw the votes out and give it to Dump, but the mail in vote should be voided along with the entire election and they should just do a regular vote all over again in January.
 
rubberring said:
Fk off with calling me dishonest. I'm turning it on you and asking why Trump wouldn't have supported a complete election audit... ya know... just to make sure. Bitching about an election is completely different than attempting to stage a coup based on absolutely no PROOF. Obama called Trump and began the transition immediately. And btw, every American intelligence agency confirmed there was election interference from outside our country. It's not even questionable.

Wanna know why the Wisconsin recount isn't free? Because Republicans voted against that.
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don’t be dishonest and I won’t call you dishonest, it’s really not difficult

even in your response you are dishonest...the outside interference may be agreed on...that doesn’t touch on what I had just said

I also don’t care who voted for what...a person involved is asking for a recount with evidence and it should be granted...Biden would be doing the same things and it would be his right to do so as well
 
ax1 said:
I dont think its fair to just throw the votes out and give it to Dump, but the mail in vote should be voided along with the entire election and they should just do a regular vote all over again in January.
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So... a do-over??? Based on WHAT? Do you know how much that suggestion undermines our democratic system? Again... why not a do-ver for Bush-Gore... or Hillary? Dude...
 
rubberring said:
So... a do-over??? Based on WHAT? Do you know how much that suggestion undermines our democratic system? Again... why not a do-ver for Bush-Gore... or Hillary? Dude...
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Based on mass mail in voting system that had no good oversight, postal workers could have dumped votes as well in rural communities and observers were pushed out the way. As far as I know many of the signatures arent even checked to see if they are legal votes.

Yes do over, mandatory ID, machines, traditional absentee voting and then revamp the system for the next national election in 2 years.
 
rubberring said:
So... a do-over??? Based on WHAT? Do you know how much that suggestion undermines our democratic system? Again... why not a do-ver for Bush-Gore... or Hillary? Dude...
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Spoken like a true bay area Californian
 
Young Gotti said:
don’t be dishonest and I won’t call you dishonest, it’s really not difficult

even in your response you are dishonest...the outside interference may be agreed on...that doesn’t touch on what I had just said

I also don’t care who voted for what...a person involved is asking for a recount with evidence and it should be granted...Biden would be doing the same things and it would be his right to do so as well
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Okay, now I feel better. You clearly don't know what the word dishonest means. Whew.

As I said... he can have all the recounts he wants. He was granted one in GA, the closest race of the lot. Biden still won. In PA and MI, there is absolutely zero point in it. His own lawyers agree. So that leaves only the states that can't grant him 270.
 
😂😂😂
 
ax1 said:
I dont think its fair to just throw the votes out and give it to Dump, but the mail in vote should be voided along with the entire election and they should just do a regular vote all over again in January.
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yep with voter ids....these little computers in each of our hands have finger print readers and face scanners

there is multiple ways to make in person voting even more secure than they already are....but mailing paper ballots to every Tom,dick, and Harry is insanity
 
rubberring said:
Okay, now I feel better. You clearly don't know what the word dishonest means. Whew.

As I said... he can have all the recounts he wants. He was granted one in GA, the closest race of the lot. Biden still won. In PA and MI, there is absolutely zero point in it. His own lawyers agree. So that leaves only the states that can't grant him 270.
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Just so we are on the same page, and you are fitting that description perfectly

again if the result is Biden ends up winning, fine but the doesn’t mean an audit isn’t necessary

so please stop being dishonest
 
rubberring said:
You're creepy as hell. But yeah, that's where I live. Born and raised in the South and a proud vet, since you're so strangely interested. What about you? Because I'm not checking your profile.
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He comes in here just to be divisive. Common trait of his partisanship.

To them, the enemy is anyone who isnt a Republican. They HATE democrats, which is effectively half their own countrymen.
 
Jiigzz said:
He comes in here just to be divisive. Common trait of his partisanship.

To them, the enemy is anyone who isnt a Republican. They HATE democrats, which is effectively half their own countrymen.
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They hate each other and until people from both sides jump ship to my side (freedom) its not going to get any better.

If you guys vote for me in 2024 I promise all your wildest fantasies will come true.
 
ax1 said:
They hate each other and until people from both sides jump ship to my side (freedom) its not going to get any better.

If you guys vote for me in 2024 I promise all your wildest fantasies will come true.
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All of them?
 
puccah8808 said:
All of them?
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No, I dont believe in a perfect world but if we aim for something very realistic such as the CCP-Virus fatality rate of 99.99345% jumping ship to me, we should be in solid shape. Perhaps I can win over the rest my second term :)

Edit: Ohhhh you mean the fantasies? Vote me in first!
 
Jiigzz said:
To them, the enemy is anyone who isnt a Republican. They HATE democrats, which is effectively half their own countrymen.
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It's petulant and completely unpatriotic. On BOTH sides.

The Bay Area stereotype is imbecilic. There are almost 8M people here, and plenty of them vote red. Even moreso in the Sac Valley, up north, and places down south like Orange County.
 
rubberring said:
Thankful??! That's disgusting. His military service and his status as a war hero are off limits. You're better than that, I hope.
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A war hero for being a rebel not following orders and getting caught by the enemy?

McCain also is a mass murdering Military Industrial Complex lunatic who deserves to have his grave moved to Gitmo.
 
ax1 said:
A war hero for being a rebel not following orders and getting caught by the enemy?

McCain also is a mass murdering Military Industrial Complex lunatic who deserves to have his grave moved to Gitmo.
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No words.

You guys have fun with the next 890 pages. Best to all.
 
Ooops, another far left establishment liberal hiding in "neutral" tone gone, lol
 
rubberring said:
Thankful??! That's disgusting. His military service and his status as a war hero are off limits. You're better than that, I hope.
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Honestly, I didn’t know much about him myself. After a simple search, there doesn’t seem to be a whole lotta love for him in general.
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A war hero for being a rebel not following orders and getting caught by the enemy?

McCain also is a mass murdering Military Industrial Complex lunatic who deserves to have his grave moved to Gitmo.
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That appears to be the overwhelming consensus!
 
Ricky10 said:
Honestly, I didn’t know much about him myself. After a simple search, there doesn’t seem to be a whole lotta love for him in general.

That appears to be the overwhelming consensus!
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He is a good song writer too,

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