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Donald Trump running for president

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Invictus is one of my all time favorite supplements. That stuff is magic. Virtus though....half a dropper crashed my E into the dirt. That is a potent AI. You need to shoot me your address so I can send you what I have left. I can’t handle it.
 
Reminder,

It is not a crime for Electorals to vote against the people of their district.
 
You're close but a bit off the mark with your generalization of how science operates, which is totally understandable as I believe you said you worked in a different field. With that, you're far better than 99% of people and their grasp of the philosophy of science. The concept of science only achieving falsification is where I think I'd like to offer another viewpoint for you.

It's a bit more nuanced. Science can neither prove nor disprove actually. It simply builds models and bodies of evidence to support for or against. We currently accept gravity as a theory because there has not been an anomaly to-date that suggests otherwise. So basically you operate within the confines of your paradigm until shown otherwise.

That's how "consensus" works. The world operated within the "rules" of flat earth until it was able to be shown those rules could be broken in certain instances.

I suppose to get to the crux of the issue it would take people far more advanced than us in statistical modeling, earth science, atmospheric science, etc to decide if their data suggests humans are making a meaningful impact on the rate of change in our climate.

To me, I defer to the experts in most cases until they're able to prove themselves wrong or refine their stance - which science will inevitably lead them to do to some extent.

As far as the oncology example - it almost comes down to bedside manner / semantics but I see your point. The problem is many who believe in climate change is an existential problem (and I think this is where we agree) lack the ability to support their stances. Let's not allow this to delegitimize the issue but instead, to me, it means they shouldn't be so adamant about their correctness along the way.

As far as the Russia stuff,

I find it to be more like Trump walked away from the bank robbery, maintained plausible deniability, and when everyone else was arrest - people were able to say see? He was innocent!! ... the bank was still robbed though.

So whether Trump directly interacted with Russia or not, they interfered with our elections and that seems to be well documented from governing bodies - no?

I'm open to being wrong on this tbh...I just think both sides taking their usual extremist sides of it being total proof or a complete hoax is lazy as usual.

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On a side note...I discovered a website (haven't gone too deep into it so forgive me if it's actually terrible) but there's some real interesting work on here.

Excerpt and link below. Thought you may enjoy it.

"So, as a progressive, here is how you see American democracy: as a contest in which truth and reason are pitted against a quasicriminal political machine built on propaganda, ignorance and misinformation. Perhaps a cynical view of the world, but if you believe that progressivism is right, you must believe that conservatism is wrong, and you have no other option.

But there is an even more pessimistic view. Suppose American democracy is not a contest between truth and reason and a quasicriminal political machine, but a contest between two quasicriminal political machines? Suppose progressivism is just like conservatism? If it was, who would tell you?

Think of conservatism as a sort of mental disease. Virus X, transmitted by Fox News much as mosquitoes transmit malaria, has infected the brains of half the American population—causing them to believe that George W. Bush is a “regular guy,” global warming isn’t happening, and the US Army can bring democracy to Sadr City. Fortunately, the other half of America is protected by its progressive antibodies, which it imbibes every day in the healthy mother’s milk of the Times and NPR, allowing it to bask securely in the sweet light of truth."

Edit: I didn't want to quote too much but he goes on to explain that a Virus Y (Progressivism) may be just as harmful as "the other side."

A truly mind opening framework to read about. Maybe not adopt, but I'll at least expose myself to it.

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"The right is mooing about faith, the left is mooing about change, and many are incensed about the fools on the other side—but, at the end of the day, they are the same folks we meet at the water cooler. "

I genuinely think outside of the world of sensationalist news stories, online facades, and all of the fear-mongering...the vast majority of Americans still have love and compassion for each other. Everyone genuinely wants to get ahead and get along.

Can only imagine what life would be like if clickbait and view counts didn't drive the sources being displayed before our eyes.

The part in bold I 100% agree with. People like solid facts and there really are none, just a workable model of a reality which we cannot directly access. I was oversimplifying for the situation in my mind when I said it only disproves. Science can, essentially but not 100%, disprove an idea in that if I create a guess and then run a model and it doesn't match that guess, my guess becomes to some degree invalidated because the guess does not predict the actual observations. Is that right or wrong? Not necessarily, because a more complete view of things may bring that guess back into being right in a different context.

I somewhat disagree that this is how consensus works - it CAN be how consensus works in that a group of people have achieved a consensus because evidence has convinced most people, but consensus is the result of evidence and not the evidence itself. Listening to a pro or expert simply because they are a pro or expert is a heuristic only. It is a mental shortcut that allows you to make a decision based on limited thought and energy. Sometimes, this is a useful shortcut, like when I don't know a lot about a product and need to make a quick decision, the heavier and higher priced product may be the higher quality product that J cam expect to serve my needs better and last longer...but this isn't necessarily true and not recognizing this as a shortcut can have consequences.

As far as global warming, I am not sold that humans cause it. The climate changes and we are trying to extrapolate limited data and turn it into a workable theory. I believe that it is an arrogant and self serving convenience to believe we are responsible.

It is arrogant because humans aren't as important as we think. Jumping to the conclusion that we are responsible and in control of everything. We aren't in control of everything. And it makes people feel safer and better to think they are in control, but without evidence it is dangerous. We could be ignoring other answers that could save our very existence because we want to insist on our control.

Now, am I 100% certain? Nope, again ...I will change my mind with convincing evidence. Hell, I will probably start spreading the word. At this point I have heard so many claims and I am skeptical so I admit it may take a while for me to be able to put it aside...but I am willing.

The Russian stuff - The Russians interfering with our election does not incriminate Trump. They could be their own actor and it looks like they were. The Liberals tried hard to pin it on him, and investigated, and were unable to find evidence. Does lack of evidence mean 100% that he didn't participate...no...but it would be pretty hard to have no evidence and the liberals made a bunch of claims they had no evidence for - so I have no reason I would trust them with that kind of decision making. People shouldn't make accusations without evidence.

If someone wants to view conservatism as a mental disease, they are living in a delusional world.

Good discussion. As far as my not being in a scientific field, I am not...and as is mentioned here, dunning-kreuger could be strong with me, and I appreciate the compliment that I am on the right path with the scientific method. Unfortunately more people don't understand the basic scientific method.
 
This is long, but well worth it for any science needs who are interested in hearing from someone who worked on the development if the nuclear bomb.

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This is long, but well worth it for any science needs who are interested in hearing from someone who worked on the development if the nuclear bomb.

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I added it to my playlist, thats a long one that deserves to be streamed on my tv.
 
The part in bold I 100% agree with. People like solid facts and there really are none, just a workable model of a reality which we cannot directly access. I was oversimplifying for the situation in my mind when I said it only disproves. Science can, essentially but not 100%, disprove an idea in that if I create a guess and then run a model and it doesn't match that guess, my guess becomes to some degree invalidated because the guess does not predict the actual observations. Is that right or wrong? Not necessarily, because a more complete view of things may bring that guess back into being right in a different context.

I somewhat disagree that this is how consensus works - it CAN be how consensus works in that a group of people have achieved a consensus because evidence has convinced most people, but consensus is the result of evidence and not the evidence itself. Listening to a pro or expert simply because they are a pro or expert is a heuristic only. It is a mental shortcut that allows you to make a decision based on limited thought and energy. Sometimes, this is a useful shortcut, like when I don't know a lot about a product and need to make a quick decision, the heavier and higher priced product may be the higher quality product that J cam expect to serve my needs better and last longer...but this isn't necessarily true and not recognizing this as a shortcut can have consequences.

As far as global warming, I am not sold that humans cause it. The climate changes and we are trying to extrapolate limited data and turn it into a workable theory. I believe that it is an arrogant and self serving convenience to believe we are responsible.

It is arrogant because humans aren't as important as we think. Jumping to the conclusion that we are responsible and in control of everything. We aren't in control of everything. And it makes people feel safer and better to think they are in control, but without evidence it is dangerous. We could be ignoring other answers that could save our very existence because we want to insist on our control.

Now, am I 100% certain? Nope, again ...I will change my mind with convincing evidence. Hell, I will probably start spreading the word. At this point I have heard so many claims and I am skeptical so I admit it may take a while for me to be able to put it aside...but I am willing.

The Russian stuff - The Russians interfering with our election does not incriminate Trump. They could be their own actor and it looks like they were. The Liberals tried hard to pin it on him, and investigated, and were unable to find evidence. Does lack of evidence mean 100% that he didn't participate...no...but it would be pretty hard to have no evidence and the liberals made a bunch of claims they had no evidence for - so I have no reason I would trust them with that kind of decision making. People shouldn't make accusations without evidence.

If someone wants to view conservatism as a mental disease, they are living in a delusional world.

Good discussion. As far as my not being in a scientific field, I am not...and as is mentioned here, dunning-kreuger could be strong with me, and I appreciate the compliment that I am on the right path with the scientific method. Unfortunately more people don't understand the basic scientific method.
Actually, we may be closer on climate change...I, albeit pretty ignorant in the grand scheme, don't believe humans cause climate change. I actually think most would agree on that but I may be in a bubble as I actually work within a scientific field so idk.

Where I think we can do better is our massive consumption, materialism, fossil fuels, etc as I do think its been shown to exacerbate the problem. I.e. contribute to the rate of change

Food for thought. As always appreciate the discussion man, you're the main reason I come back here. The rest seem to be comfortable having found their tribe and continuing to bask in the confirmation of beliefs. I reluctantly try to engage nonetheless lol

I think the Russian thing, at least to me, was less about Trump and more about how we had a foreign interference and only half the country seemed to care? Idc who they helped or hurt...can we not be united in telling them to eff off?

Thats where I think we begin to see the damage of these divisions. People are almost reluctant to even share common enemies if it means seeing eye to eye for a brief moment.

We continue to approach a scary precipice. . .
 
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Your absolutely wrong, that is not the way our country is designed. We have an electoral system that is designed to protect the representation of rural area and prevents polititions from ignorning and abandoning them. It prevents the complete consolidation in highly corrupt urban areas.

The popular vote is actually mostly irrelevent when it comes to the election outcome of the Presidency.
 
Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

If the National Popular Vote drive kills the Electoral College, rural and small town Americans who supply our food and energy will lose their voice..

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Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

If the National Popular Vote drive kills the Electoral College, rural and small town Americans who supply our food and energy will lose their voice.

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Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
If the National Popular Vote drive kills the Electoral College, rural and small town Americans who supply our food and energy will lose their voice..

Trent England
USA Today
Opinion contributor


Should rural and small-town Americans be reduced to serfdom? The American Founders didn’t think so. This is one reason why they created checks and balances, including the Electoral College. Today that system is threatened by a proposal called the Invalid Link Removed, or NPV.

Rural America produces almost all our country’s Invalid Link Removed, as well as raw materials like metals, cotton and timber. Energy, Invalid Link Removed but also alternatives like Invalid Link Removed come mostly from rural areas. In other words, the material inputs of modern life flow out of rural communities and into cities.

This is fine, so long as the exchange is voluntary — rural people choose to sell their goods and services, receive a fair price, and have their freedom protected under law. But history shows that city dwellers have a nasty habit of taking advantage of their country cousins. Greeks enslaved whole masses of rural people, known as Invalid Link Removed. Medieval Europe had Invalid Link Removed. The Russians had their Invalid Link Removed.

Credit the American Founders with setting up a system of limited government with lots of checks and balances. The U.S. Senate makes sure all states are represented equally, even low-population rural states like Wyoming and Vermont. Limits on federal power, along with the Bill of Rights, are supposed to protect Americans from overreaching federal regulations. And the Electoral College makes it impossible for one population-dense region of the country to control the presidency.

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I dont foresee an instance where rural America becomes subservient or under permanent rule to urban America. It would be a civil war between a side that loves guns, fighting, and country cooked food. The other side has dildos, people that don’t know what bathroom they should use, and soy lattes.
 
I dont foresee an instance where rural America becomes subservient or under permanent rule to urban America. It would be a civil war between a side that loves guns, fighting, and country cooked food. The other side has dildos, people that don’t know what bathroom they should use, and soy lattes.

Well I certainly advocate standing up for them and making sure they are my friends and reminding everybody they are a completely essential part of American society nobody in urbanized areas should ever take for granted.
 
Well I certainly advocate standing up for them and making sure they are my friends and a completely essential part of American society nobody in urbanized areas should ever take for granted.

If the electricity went out today, never to return. All the citiots would die within the week. And as hank likes to say: a country boy can survive
 
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I saw this visualization. Great, it taught me that Biden took New England and CA pretty hard. Wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

Of course, using the logic in this map, Trump barely would have won TX and didn't take any other states. Super useful.

Actually, we may be closer on climate change...I, albeit pretty ignorant in the grand scheme, don't believe humans cause climate change. I actually think most would agree on that but I may be in a bubble as I actually work within a scientific field so idk.

Where I think we can do better is our massive consumption, materialism, fossil fuels, etc as I do think its been shown to exacerbate the problem. I.e. contribute to the rate of change

Food for thought. As always appreciate the discussion man, you're the main reason I come back here. The rest seem to be comfortable having found their tribe and continuing to bask in the confirmation of beliefs. I reluctantly try to engage nonetheless lol

I think the Russian thing, at least to me, was less about Trump and more about how we had a foreign interference and only half the country seemed to care? Idc who they helped or hurt...can we not be united in telling them to eff off?

Thats where I think we begin to see the damage of these divisions. People are almost reluctant to even share common enemies if it means seeing eye to eye for a brief moment.

We continue to approach a scary precipice. . .

Yeah, a lot of people I come across swear we are the cause of climate change and cannot provide evidence and will not consider any other options. But they bought a Prius so they are smarter than everyone.

I am all for conserving resources. Beyind the environment it makes economic sense. I drive a hybrid ...it saves me $200-250/month in gas. I doubt it has some major impact on the environment, but whatever. It isn't a bad thing to not pollute, even if it is for more local/regional improvement. I am just not sure why everything is so overblown and we always are 5 years away from no return.

Russia - I can agree that people who were for Trump were probably less concerned with Russian interference than Hillary supporters because we got what we want, and it also is my belief at least that the Russians are more afraid of Trump than Hillary. Hillary is a known quantity with years of history to show you how she will respond to adversity...makes her an easy enemy. Trump was at worst a lose cannon who you had no idea what you would get. But of course liberals will disagree with me on that and given neither side really knows enough, we have to each choose which side of the incomplete picture we find more convincing.

And it is not intellectual to ignore an issue just because you got the outcome you wanted. We should be more concerned as a country for our own well being.

One of my issues is I see literals encouraging bad situations sometimes, and then using the outcome as justification. For instance, they fought strong borders and welcome illegal aliens. Then they complain about separating babies from parents. Well, if those parents didn't come here illegally to begin with, which a strong border would have prevented, they wouldn't have that issue to begin with. It is a little circular.

Not that republican politicians are necessarily better. Career politicians, IMO, are THE PROBLEM. Unfortunately, unless there is fraud in this election, 75M Americans do not agree with me and just gave the guy who spent 47 years another 4 years because they don't like the guy who came from the private sector and has been in office for 4 years. Strange to me.

And yeah, good discussion. I like the back and forth. I get worked up too, it can be upsetting. But I have to stay on my toes. I feel like I am much better informed because of all the people in this thread.
 
And yeah, good discussion. I like the back and forth. I get worked up too, it can be upsetting. But I have to stay on my toes. I feel like I am much better informed because of all the people in this thread.

Did you get that dollar store brand tin foil I sent you? Does it wrap around you nice and snug without too much tearing?

Little trick is to crack up some of those hand warmers and tape it to your chest before you perform a wrap....saves alot on heating bills coming up this winter. Save the planet from climate change, makes the liberals happy. Always hard to explain to that new girlfriend though. And yes, you do always end up with a new girlfriend but you will get used to it, but liberals to stick around a little longer.

Id pick a roll of this up to patch up those tears.
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If the electricity went out today, never to return. All the citiots would die within the week. And as hank likes to say: a country boy can survive
lol...i think it is called living off the grid.....just imagine if the grid went down in major urban areas.

most of the people i know here in small town indiana hunt and fish.
 
So I hear them say, if people are questioning and losing confidence in the integrity of our election system that it is the biggest threat to our deomacracy.

Um...no

The greatest threat to our democracy is when all the sheep put their full blind faith and confidence in the election system.
 
If the electricity went out today, never to return. All the citiots would die within the week. And as hank likes to say: a country boy can survive
and as charlie liked to say-'leave this poor old country boy alone'.
 
Thats because nobody ever talks about Indiana, I thought it was in Canada anyways :)
how many vice president's have been from new york in the last 40 years, lol.

indiana has 2....just sayin

but seriously, i like indiana not being talked about-we look at that as a good thing!!!
 
i've said it before and gonna say it again-- the pandemic was the main reason trump wasn't re-elected in a landslide, and i truly believe democrats and MSM politicized the pandemic.
 
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how many vice president's have been from new york in the last 40 years, lol.

indiana has 2....just sayin

but seriously, i like indiana not being talked about-we look at that as a good thing!!!

New York is sorta like running a damn country, there barely is anything in Indiana, just gotta manage chicken coops and the Colts. LOL!!!!!!!
 
I predict in the next year or 2, President Karemela is going to set up a Secret Federal Police Unit specifically targeting anything deemed to be "fake."

Use your imagination after that.

Id bet this would be set up by Shadow Government, probably via the "7th Floor" where Skull and Bones member John Kerry calls the shots (look up FBI Hillary documents if you think I wear tin foil) even if Dump takes the throne.
 
New York is sorta like running a damn country, there barely is anything in Indiana, just gotta manage chicken coops and the Colts. LOL!!!!!!!

hey, FRESH chicken is good stuff+all the eggs!!!

3 years ago i said f*ck the colts, burned all my gear-[which was a lot] and have never looked back.

i was there when the mayflower trucks 1st brought colts to indy...but now they can kiss my ass.

btw-imo new york sucks, you can have it.
 
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I predict in the next year or 2, President Karemela is going to set up a Secret Federal Police Unit specifically targeting anything deemed to be "fake."

Use your imagination after that.

Id bet this would be set up by Shadow Government, probably via the "7th Floor" where Skull and Bones member John Kerry calls the shots (look up FBI Hillary documents if you think I wear tin foil) even if Dump takes the throne.
yes, clive lewis has a podcast. look into this guy!!!
 
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You don’t have to hold your breath when you think do you?
I mean, you can pretend it isn't a true depiction on population densities, but you'd just be lying to yourself.

Once again, land doesnt vote, people do.
 
Your absolutely wrong, that is not the way our country is designed. We have an electoral system that is designed to protect the representation of rural area and prevents polititions from ignorning and abandoning them. It prevents the complete consolidation in highly corrupt urban areas.

The popular vote is actually mostly irrelevent when it comes to the election outcome of the Presidency.
You've completely missed the point. Where did I ever dispute that fact?

It's like when you posted a map of NY state and wondered how such small areas of blue in NYC could outdo the red areas - its because NYC has more just under half the population of the entire state, therefore it only needed another 10% from the other regions to win the majority of the state.

It's really not that complicated. It's not about whether the majority of the land in a state is red or blue, it's about whether the majority of voters in that state are red or blue.

The majority just happen to be centered around large cities, as is expected (thats how population densities tend to work)
 
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People vote....

And trollers troll
A map visualisation isn't a troll, it helps put back into perspective where populations are more dense compared to other regions.
 
You've completely missed the point. Where did I ever dispute that fact?

It's like when you posted a map of NY state and wondered how such small areas of blue in NYC could outdo the red areas - its because NYC has more just under half the population of the entire state, therefore it only needed another 10% from the other regions to win the majority of the state.

It's really not that complicated. It's not about whether the majority of the land in a state is red or blue, it's about whether the majority of voters in that state are red or blue.

The majority just happen to be centered around large cities, as is expected (thats how population densities tend to work)

You disputed the fact when you claimed its the people that count, not the land mass. The Constitution implemented land mass into the Presidential election system to better represent those people via speading the powers of high density through the electoral system....then powers were further distributed with localized representatives but thats getting a little off topic.

New York local election system is absolutely and completely irrelevant to the United States Presidential Election.

We here in New York do not have an interstate electoral system when it comes to picking our NY-President aka Executive aka Governor. Its strictly popular vote and the Governor does not represent the voice of the entire region of New York, only a few small parts of it.
 
You've completely missed the point. Where did I ever dispute that fact?

It's like when you posted a map of NY state and wondered how such small areas of blue in NYC could outdo the red areas - its because NYC has more just under half the population of the entire state, therefore it only needed another 10% from the other regions to win the majority of the state.

It's really not that complicated. It's not about whether the majority of the land in a state is red or blue, it's about whether the majority of voters in that state are red or blue.

The majority just happen to be centered around large cities, as is expected (thats how population densities tend to work)

Just a personal vent, the quality of my life would be far better if NYC simply succeeded from the State and they created their own territory. If I need a VISA and Passport to visit NYC Id be happy to do so, just get those people out of my political life.

Anyways, point is big government doesnt work thats why we are so divided and hostile towards one another. Enforcing your world view via policies and taxation via gunpoint with one size fits all systems is going to be a problem that will never go away.

Its time to reverse these powers exploited by these little low life dictators born on 3rd base who thought they hit home runs and restore freedom and individual liberty to all so we can save our Republic.

The fact that the Presidential Election is so influential to the lives of all Americans is absolutly a disgrace and needs to stop.

The office of the US President needs to be a little of a nothinburger who spends most of his time sitting in his little egg shape office smoking cigars and mostly staying the hell out the way. Its not a job where you legislate, its a job where you should just shut up and stay away most of the time except in the defense of freedom and liberty they must be ferocious to keep their promise of their oath.
 
Just a personal vent, the quality of my life would be far better if NYC simply succeeded from the State and they created their own territory. If I need a VISA and Passport to visit NYC Id be happy to do so, just get those people out of my political life.

Anyways, point is big government doesnt work thats why we are so divided and hostile towards one another. Enforcing your world view via policies and taxation via gunpoint with one size fits all systems is going to be a problem that will never go away.

Its time to reverse these powers exploited by these little low life dictators born on 3rd base who thought they hit home runs and restore freedom and individual liberty to all so we can save our Republic.

The fact that the Presidential Election is so influential to the lives of all Americans is absolutly a disgrace and needs to stop.

The office of the US President needs to be a little of a nothinburger who spends most of his time sitting in his little egg shape office smoking cigars and mostly staying the hell out the way. Its not a job where you legislate, its a job where you should just shut up and stay away most of the time except in the defense of freedom and liberty they must be ferocious to keep their promise of their oath.
If 60% of people are concentrated in 1 large city that takes up 3% of the state, if every single person voted for 1 party in that city, the other 97% of the landmass would lose, regardless of its size.

Simply by virtue of higher density over a small area.

Its really, really simple.
 
You disputed the fact when you claimed its the people that count, not the land mass. The Constitution implemented land mass into the Presidential election system to better represent those people via speading the powers of high density through the electoral system....then powers were further distributed with localized representatives but thats getting a little off topic.

New York local election system is absolutely and completely irrelevant to the United States Presidential Election.

We here in New York do not have an interstate electoral system when it comes to picking our NY-President aka Executive aka Governor. Its strictly popular vote and the Governor does not represent the voice of the entire region of New York, only a few small parts of it.
When you go state by state, it doesn't matter. That's the point I'm making. Not the US as a whole, but dense cities within one state can swing the vote regardless of how the rest of the state votes.

And again NY as the example exemplifies this. A mostly red state by land, but blue by vote because the denser areas that voted Biden outweighed the more land mass, but less populous areas that Trump won.
 
Feb 2021 will be a good month, I'll be able to forget about Trump and his theatrics and the political mess will have subsided. Everyone that supported Joe Biden and Donald Trump will also go do something else and focus on other things with their lives. Can't wait for this to be over.
 
If 60% of people are concentrated in 1 large city that takes up 3% of the state, if every single person voted for 1 party in that city, the other 97% of the landmass would lose, regardless of its size.

Simply by virtue of higher density over a small area.

Its really, really simple.

You are almost there!!!!

Just add in a tad bit more complexity and approach this from the mindset of, if I wanted to scam an election and not get caught, how would I design it?

I would target a few really populated districts that leaned on my side. I would avoid fraud in states I knew I was going to win because that increases risk of getting caught and provides no reward. I would avoid states with heavy registration for the opposition because the only way I can create enough votes is to risk having more votes than registered voters.

By targeting a few specific areas with high populations and heavy registration for my party,, it would be hard to prove my side didn't just turn out in force - even if they didn't anywhere else.

Dane County is the perfect example of this. 390,000 registered voters, presumably a high number of dems, even though they don't publicly publish this data. 260,000 votes for Biden,, 78,000 votes for Trump. That is an 87% turnout. It likely is an almost 100% turnout for the democrat party if they have a similar dem:rep ratio as say, another liberal state, MA. Biden wins this district by 180,000 votes and takes the state by somewhere around 23,000 votes.

No other district in the state has more than 70% turnout.

No district in MA (where there is no likely way for the dems to lose, more than 2/3 of the registered voters are dems) has more than 70%

No district in TX has more than 70% (where there is no way for the dems to win, without more votes than registered voters).

So, what are the chances of 87% turnout in the most heavily populated area, with an almost 90-100% liberal turnout when the rest of the country is averaging less than 66% turnout and nowhere in the same state was there similar turnout? Nowhere in the country, with some notable exceptions coming up, was more than 70% turnout? But this one district just barely swings an entire state with these unusual stats?

It would be bad, but merely unusual if it only happened in WI. But this same pattern exists in MI and NV as well...only instead of 87% it's over 90% in 2 heavily populated districts in those states.

The mathematical probability of that happening 3 times, with no overflow into surrounding areas with lower densities and such surgical precision is very unlikely. MA doesn't have a single district that went for Trump - it isn't the most heavily populated areas only. Look at TX - it's a mix and not just 1 or 2 areas.

Also, your map doesn't add info, it deletes info to present only the most heavily populated areas. They are not the only areas that count either. Again, that map basically says Biden took New England and CA (must have stayed up all night crunching that data) and Trump barely took TX. It just essentially deletes the lower population areas in order to leave only the Biden strongholds...you're big on Dunning-Kruger. This map is a case of using a little tiny bit of information and thinking it is more than it is. It lacks a lot of info. But I would expect that from the people who voted for Biden.

Feb 2021 will be a good month, I'll be able to forget about Trump and his theatrics and the political mess will have subsided. Everyone that supported Joe Biden and Donald Trump will also go do something else and focus on other things with their lives. Can't wait for this to be over.

Not me. I am going to start doing everything I can to #resist.
 
If 60% of people are concentrated in 1 large city that takes up 3% of the state, if every single person voted for 1 party in that city, the other 97% of the landmass would lose, regardless of its size.

Simply by virtue of higher density over a small area.

Its really, really simple.

Sure but its not as dramatic as you think especially nationally through the electoral system, thats why the sheep keep picking the opposite side of the coin. And as far as popular vote goes, just ask Hitlery why she lost in 2016.

Point is rural areas are designed to be kept in the game via electoral system and the fact is they are. Thats why the elections are so close in various states and battleground states are often decided by final vote counts in urbanized areas.

And obviously having a mail is system is more easily corruptible by these dense areas reasoning Demicans fought to the core to take advantage and exploit the opprotunity that the CCP-Virus crisis presented.

All I need to do now is undo the Stockholm Syndrome that has been unleashed on my people which has spread and is far more toxic than the CCP-Virus in my own urbanized areas and flip them to team gold.
 
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Feb 2021 will be a good month, I'll be able to forget about Trump and his theatrics and the political mess will have subsided. Everyone that supported Joe Biden and Donald Trump will also go do something else and focus on other things with their lives. Can't wait for this to be over.
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To all of you and all in America who served....

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I do this just about every year here, when you see a WWII vet stare at them and smile! Well in this day in age wave at them. If there is an opportunity be sure to thank them for their service, this doesnt just go for Veterans day, this goes for any day because some day these people will be all lost and you dont want to ever think later on that you wished you said something!

The passing of the WWII generation

Every day, memories of World War II—its sights and sounds, its terrors and triumphs—disappear. Yielding to the inalterable process of aging, the men and women who fought and won the great conflict are now in their late 80s and 90s. They are dying quickly—according to US Department of Veterans Affairs statistics, 325,574 of the 16 million Americans who served in World War II are alive in 2020.

Honoring the 20th-century veterans’ sacrifice before they pass from the scene is at the forefront of everything we do at The National WWII Museum—from our exhibits, to oral histories, to the Museum’s $400 million capital campaign, a lasting tribute to the war generation.

“There’s no time to lose,” said Gordon H. “Nick” Mueller, President and CEO Emeritus of the Museum. “We want to be able to finish and dedicate our expansion while we still have members of the Greatest Generation to thank for their sacrifice and service to the nation and to show the world what they mean to the principle of freedom.”

The graph below uses statistics from the US Department of Veterans Affairs to emphasize the urgency of our mission. The projections for each year are updated on September 30.

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In other breaking news: Biden-Harris start preparing for America’s dark winter

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In other breaking news: Biden-Harris start preparing for America’s dark winter

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So this makes Pelosi, um, Palpatine? Yup, sounds 'bout right.
 
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