dixonk
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I’m saying they don’t represent the opinion of conservatives.
Donald Trump running for president
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I’m saying they don’t represent the opinion of conservatives.
Woody
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The irony is comical at this point.
dixonk
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Shall we play with stupid **** leftists have said? Perhaps you want AOC to represent you and your party?
Woody
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You say that like that is a new idea? According to you and every other Republican in this thread, everything BLM and AOC is the embodiment of every liberal ever.
dixonk
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Are they not giving her the platform she needs to spew her nonsense? Is anyone keeping her and her squad in check?
thebigt
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he had a 20 point lead over ann richards before that statement and then lost election...the argument was that republicans supported this statement, election results show otherwise.
thebigt
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'portland anti-capitalism protest declared riot after windows smashed, cops targeted'
police declared a march against capitalism and police violence a riot after demonstrators smashed windows of businesses and threw projectiles at police...the only police violence i see here is against police.
police declared a march against capitalism and police violence a riot after demonstrators smashed windows of businesses and threw projectiles at police...the only police violence i see here is against police.
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Jiigzz
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I dislike far left people just as much as far right.
I'm all for accepting things, I literally couldnt care less what anybody does in their private life. But I do draw the line when people say demand things, I.e. telling me to stop using he/him/she/her etc or to build a gender neutral bathroom, or that people being opposed to legalised marijuana is somehow racism.
I support equality, but dislike when people justify crime as being reparation for years of victimisation.
Unfortunately a lot of people deny that racism, homophobia, Islamophobia etc still exists. It certainly does exist, although it isnt always in the form of extremism. It can be as simple as keeping an extra eye on the Black dude walking through your shop, or wondering if the person wearing a burkha is about to blow up the building they just walked into.
thebigt
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i have stopped even looking at snopes---they are in my opinion very liberal slanted, they have more spin than those wind-up tops they had back when i was a toddler.....take for example the question of kamala harris family owning slaves-nothing but spin.
ax1
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Here in the USA the problem is its always about black dude walks into store gets looked at = racism, but black dude shoots white young kid for no reason = a kid got shot by "somebody."
thebigt
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Jiigzz
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Mentioning of skin colour at all is not relevant UNLESS it is pertinent to the story, I.e. police shot innocent black man which led to protests etc.
Often the headlines say "black man robbed someone", or "black man caught dealing drugs" which is absolutely non-essential to the story. You don't have "white man caught fiddling kids" or "white man involved in sex scandel", it's usually just generic "man" or the person's name.
That's the issue that people gloss over all the time and using those terms helps embody the stereotype of certain races being involved in certain crimes, and exonerating "white men" from the crimes of other "white men."
Equality would be using the same phraseology for every race, but you watch how many white people would kick up a fuss about that, only to not give a s*** when it's a black person.
thebigt
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the opposite is true here...if it is black on white crime you can usually tell because no race is mentioned-at least in the beginning and not much is made of it on MSM..if it is white on black crime it is the crime of the century and is blasted 24/7 and the hoodlums all come out to riot loot and burn down businesses....geez man get your head outta your arse, i know you aren't as retarded as this post makes you to be.
ax1
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There is by far more demonization of white people these days than black people. Its extremely unbalanced.
You do have a point, people should be refereed to their own individuality and name accept when it helps to identify an individual such as a wanted person or suspect.
ax1
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Its all bushyt, your only black if you vote for Groper Joe and that Indian running mate of his. If you have any conservative ideology you arent black any more.
They just shyt all over Lil'Wayne because he visited Dump to talk about the "Platinum Plan" that puts half a TRILLION dollars in black community communities and go over problems and how to use money to solve them. Wayne never even endorsed Dump, just went to talk and he turned to Satan for helping the very people demonizing him.
thebigt
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the biggest lie that has been told this entire election cycle is that biden would unite the country.
thebigt
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should he win, biden has promised to reverse a number of president trump's immigration policies. he has promised to place a 100-day moratorium on deportation, significantly increase the refugee cap, and scrap a number of policies the trump administration has put in place to stop the flow of migrants.
joe has also promised FREE medical care for all illegals. all this while many states are still not completely open for business and many AMERICANS are out of work and hurting-what ya gonna do for AMERICAN CITIZENS in need-joe?
joe has also promised FREE medical care for all illegals. all this while many states are still not completely open for business and many AMERICANS are out of work and hurting-what ya gonna do for AMERICAN CITIZENS in need-joe?
Jiigzz
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You can look up headlines yourself, literally just search "black guy arrested" vs "white guy arrested" and you'll find things like:
"These videos show violent white men resisting arrest and fighting cops and they weren't shot" and "violent white folks taken into custody with loving care by police"
Adding in the race to that discussion is important, because it is part of the conversation.
Yet more typically, articles mention race of minorities when it isn't even a part of the conversation.
Jiigzz
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Yeah, there's no issue with that. It certainly not a bad thing to be proud of your nation
dixonk
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Jiigzz
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Federal law mandates that all people in the US have access to emergency care.
Bidens plan proposes that they would also have access to a public, non tax payer subsidized health care.
So not really any more free than what they can already get.
thebigt
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public, non-tax payer subsidized health care?
thebigt
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lets get real here...federal law mandates emergency triage care for immediate life threatening emergency...what biden and democrats want is medicare for every illegal---medicare that American citizens pay into from the day they start working and can't collect until they are 65...let me also add that medicare isn't free for those seniors who are on it either----but biden wants a supercharged medicare that pays for everything for free for illegals---what would the good folks of new zealand think about that-eh?
dixonk
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I wonder if the New Zealand concentration camps will have free medical.
thebigt
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ax1
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Blacks are a part of the same institutionalized system everybody else is, the United States of America.
ax1
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Thats a complete direct lie to buy votes. Who is paying for it? NZ???
ax1
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Sure, you gotta go to back-page local newspapers to find coverage of attacks and harm done on whiteys.
Racism and race wars gets better ratings, and thats what the sheep fall for.
The USA is the most open, diverse and least racist country by far on the entire planet. This is an indisputable fact.
Jiigzz
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They do, and they got free accommodation and food for 14 days. Not a bad gig.
Jiigzz
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If they pay for it, I couldnt care less. If they cant afford it, send them home for treatment.
I think we can all agree that only tax payers should have access to subsidized medical care.
HIT4ME
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The mere fact that some people think that whether or not it is right to kill a baby is a controversial topic should make them take a hard look at their beliefs.
I am not saying there aren't exceptions in horrific circumstances; life isn't cut and dry. Rape, health issues to the mother, etc. - could all be possible exceptions of course. I think we can agree on that. I think the majority of people would likely agree to this on some level. Just like you should not kill another human being, but there are some well accepted exceptions.
But of course, there are moral issues to be dealt with. If it is OK to kill an innocent being just because it burdens me or comes with baggage - what about the less-than-innocent human beings that burden my life? I do believe that most liberals are for providing welfare - but aren't those people placing undo burden on many other people? Why not just end their lives? Maybe they should have just been aborted to begin with?
What do you really think should be done differently here? It isn't a political issue, it is a threat based in reality. I think more than anything it highlights the flaws of the individual and the fact that government is less important than they think. They are helpless to stop this. And it isn't because it's Trump. Country after country has failed.
You and I tend to agree more on the threat of the virus - yes most people aren't understanding the threat. It's not some minuscule number of deaths we are talking about - in less than a year we're already looking at annual numbers in the US that will be in line with all of the American deaths from WWII. People like to make claims about all kinds of conspiracies, etc. - but they only go so far.
But on the same hand, life goes on and the government has to keep things moving forward. It's a tough line to draw and thinking that Obama/Biden had some better plan is just naive at best. If Trump was out there running around, like Biden, saying it was going to be a dark winter and the sky was falling and we are all going to die - what would you think of him then? Is that what you call leadership? The people I follow tend to stand up against challenges and not panic. Don't you want someone who instills calmness and confidence?
Not arguing anyone is perfect here. Just that people criticize without even thinking about what they actually expect.
News station 1: Biased, admits they are for entertainment purposes only.
News station 2: Biased and claims to report the news.
Which one do you think is more honest and a better source of info?
Continuing...but you know how my posts are...and I've been gone for a few days.
HIT4ME
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I think this is the fine line that has to be tread...and one I honestly think Trump was doing a great job of, although he kind of dug in a little when he started getting criticized for not being more "chicken little" about it.
What other reason do you need guards? I mean, if people would stay in their jail cells willingly, we wouldn't have guards at all.
I can agree that it would be nice if people actually had enough respect for others to quarantine on their own.
It's also nice to see you advocating the benefits of having strong border control - although I'm not sure I agree with the imprisonment method. But Biden and Obama built cages for sh*t like that.
I haven't lapped up anything, because I haven't read any news on New Zealand other than what's in this thread. I guess that makes me, somehow, MORE educated (according to your post further down)? But anyway - the issue is that impeding on freedoms is NOT something that should be taken lightly. It should always be open to criticism and skepticism. Again, it is a tough line to walk though, and life is more complicated and sometimes people need to make sacrifices, as you said, in order to protect others. It would, again, be nice if people just cared a little more about others and not just themselves - and didn't expect government to do that for them.
Who published this recent report? CNN? NBC? This is ludicrous. Not watching anything at all is better than watching Fox? Come on. Where is all that skepticism you bring to the table when you read a report like this?
But then, you argue that Twitter and Facebook are relevant sources??
I mean, they have argued for 2 decades that they are not journalistic sources, but yet....still edit and censor content they think is unfounded - even when the evidence is clear as day and half the country wants to know about it. But an impeachment based on a fake Russian docier and a phone call that, when transcripts were released, showed no wrong doing - now you can promote that all you like.
Or hell, anti-vaxxers can just have at it for years and years. But we'd better block an actual news source - which we (Twitter and Facebook) claim we are not.
HIT4ME
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Agreed. CNN and NBC are the worst. Washington Post too. Twitter and Facebook - if they are news sources, who really knows? I am glad you can agree that we agree that you shouldn't be surprised when I say those places are biased.
The difference is, yes, I can agree that Fox News is biased. They don't try to hide that fact. As you said, they're pretty open about who they are. But, thank God. The silence from the other side on the Joe Biden Ukraine scandal is becoming deafening. The libs have impeached a president and grilled a SC justice with less evidence than we have on the Biden family.
But, I think Pelosi leaked the laptop. It's real. The Biden's have not denied it - which is part of the deal. It is going to be used to impeach Biden (Pelosi got a president impeached on much less) and in return for him getting Harris across the finish line - Biden will get Nixon'd (pardoned).
You should maybe proof-read what you write? You call out Ax1 for his definition of facts....well...what is your definition of "typical"? Is it 20%? 20% including people who lost elections because their constituents didn't support their statements?
Although, if Biden said anything stupid, his constituents would choose not to vote for him I am sure - just like the conservatives chose not to vote in some of those instances above. Oh, wait. Nevermind.
This rape and female abuse issue is something we have to tackle. I guess we are going to just have to keep punching at it, and punching at it, and punching at it. Oh, dang. I did it again. You know what I mean. Come on, man!
But, Biden IS the democrat party after all....so again, are you going to vote for him? Do you support the things he says?
They already know this. Their best argument for this being "typical" is to use 20% of the population group....including people who lost their elections because of these statements...so, um...they are including people who aren't even in the group to achieve that 20%.
I am so glad that liberals don't have prejudices and biases like us Grand Ol' Partiers! Every republican in this thread huh? I've never said anything to that effect. But...if you don't agree with those issues, and your candidate supports them (Biden and AOC back BLM no matter what) - are you going to choose not to vote for them? That's all.
As you guys so eloquently pointed out above, at least when a conservative says something way out of line, they don't get the votes.
Haha - we agree a lot here. I do think extremism is a big issue on both sides. And it can be hard to see in the current environment. You almost have to become extreme sometimes to fight the extremism on the other side - or at least that is instinctually how it feels. Not sure if it has always been like this, or if I am just getting older.
Just so you know, I feel like it can be hard on these threads to have these discussions - I think you and I would have good convos IRL - we may not agree, but that is good. That's how new ideas and solutions are created.
In the last paragraph - I don't deny it happens. But I think it's much less of a problem and we have come a long way - but it gets over-used as a defense. Like you say, the color of someone's skin has no bearing on most things. Just like you won't ever see, "Blond man shoots brown-haired man over bar dispute" in the paper. It's moronic. But on the same hand, we will ALWAYS have some prejudice and bias. It's human nature, it's a survival tactic. We gravitate toward our tribes. Our tribes tend to look like us, etc. It's human instinct. If I see someone very different than me, I may take notice and be on alert.
Now, there's a difference between that and being overly reactive to something. I mean, if I see a bum on the street I may take alert as I walk by...white or black....and I may actually be on high alert because who knows how he's going to react....but I may also come back and bring him a sandwich and a cup of coffee - because my instincts and logic don't have to be at odds. I can be cautious and reasonable all at the same time.
Now, someone seeing a black man who has done nothing wrong and following him through a store or pulling a gun on him just because they are fearful of his blackness....that's not reasonable and beyond cautious. It is just stupid.
I agree with you on a lot of this...but I also think discord is created by using black deaths to sell papers and create issues. When a cop shoots an innocent white man, I bet you don't hear that much about it. There isn't rioting in the streets. And when they shoot a violent white man, you probably never hear about it. But if they shoot a black man - whether 100% innocent or violent - you hear about the color of his skin. I'm sorry, but almost all of the videos that have come out of black men being shot during BLM have involved people undertaking criminal activities and resisting arrest. Is it tragic when someone dies over something stupid like counterfeiting money? Yes - but if you are going to resist arrest that is a risk you are putting on yourself. However, even in that case it's not clear the cops killed the guy. He was clearly showing signs of opioid overdose prior to the "choke hold" and the cop may not even have killed him. I'm not saying that is fact...I'm saying it is possible.
Now, if I saw someone NOT resisting arrest and they are just beating him over a $20 bill being fake - I don't care what color his skin is, that cop deserves to be punished HARSHLY.
But nobody cares that innocent white men are getting shot. Only black men - innocent or not.
Nobody demonizes black Trump supporters. It's not possible for them to demonize black Trump supporters - Trump supporters aren't black, just ask Joe.
HIT4ME
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Great line. I will always remember that one too. Just when you think he's about to be taken out by the bad guy! haha.
You think that every violent black man resisting arrest gets shot? I guarantee you that some violent white men, and some violent black men, who resist arrest - get shot. I'm not saying there is NO racism. But finding a video of a white man being "lovingly taken into custody" and then comparing it to a black man getting shot isn't really logical. There are probably some videos of black men being handled with kid gloves in the same situation as the white guy too.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying 100% there is no racism. Just that it is skewed and over played.
So, no white man has ever NOT gotten a job or been NOT been accepted to a university because a black man applied for that same job or to the same university? Hmmmm. Guess those democrats aren't doing as much for black men as we think. They are passing meaningless legislation it seems. Affirmative action has not helped a single black man. We may be able to agree here.
public, non-tax payer subsidized health care?
Yeah, you know, that cost-free healthcare that falls out of the sky with the Obama phones? Tax payers don't have to pay for it, but it's magically subsidized.
That's how Hitler felt too.
ax1
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I never claimed it doesnt exist, it does and we can do better.
Ive seen that video before, Im really sorry not to offend you but that is some complete deceptive bullkrap. Stuff like this divides our youth and conditions them to think they are different from one another simply because of their skin pigmentation.
Have you ever been poor before or left behind in school and seen kids of color with silver spoons in their mouth as its happening to you? Well I dont want to hear it.
ax1
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But, the general consensus is with liberal gym teachers
poor black kid = systematically oppressed
poor white kid = pay your taxes because your privileged
I would love to take that gym teacher to some trailer parks around my area so welfare whitey kids can piss and spit on him when he tells them they are advantaged.