Donald Trump running for president

[Ricky10]

This. Well said.

Yeah, it’s pretty safe to say we would have been staring at the same numbers no matter who was in office, though more than likely worse if it was not Trump. I know it’s been repeated multiple times, but Trump was the one we have to thank for closing our borders to China and Europe. Nobody seems to give him enough credit for that except himself...as he should.

The one thing we can all question with some validity is the fact that masks weren’t implemented and encouraged in those early stages. Trump is not an virologist or epidemiologist, so that is why he assembled the task force and made choices and recommendations based on the advise of some very highly regarded people.

So while it seems logical now that we should have been utilizing masks, what would have happened if Trump pushed for that from the start against the advise of professionals? He would have been accused of acting on unfounded data and held responsible for an even greater shortage of masks in hospitals and other healthcare facilities. Then he would have been called a murderer on that front, while also being accused of inciting panic.

Another way he could have possibly saved more lives is to mandate that the lockdown was extended, or that we were still in lockdown to this day. We all know Americans wouldn’t have let that happen without the implementation of martial law. The implications of that speak for itself, but on top of that- the economy really dies and people are so depressed from the lockdown that they are taking their own lives.

I don’t know, call me crazy but I think he did a tremendous job when he was faced with an unprecedented task. Also, much respect for being so committed to the point of giving daily task force briefings to keep the people updated and to offer encouraging words- which I think is important for the people to hear rather than focusing on fear.

 

[dixonk]

Yeah, it’s pretty safe to say we would have been staring at the same numbers no matter who was in office, though more than likely worse if it was not Trump. I know it’s been repeated multiple times, but Trump was the one we have to thank for closing our borders to China and Europe. Nobody seems to give him enough credit for that except himself...as he should.

The one thing we can all question with some validity is the fact that masks weren’t implemented and encouraged in those early stages. Trump is not an virologist or epidemiologist, so that is why he assembled the task force and made choices and recommendations based on the advise of some very highly regarded people.

So while it seems logical now that we should have been utilizing masks, what would have happened if Trump pushed for that from the start against the advise of professionals? He would have been accused of acting on unfounded data and held responsible for an even greater shortage of masks in hospitals and other healthcare facilities. Then he would have been called a murderer on that front, while also being accused of inciting panic.

Another way he could have possibly saved more lives is to mandate that the lockdown was extended, or that we were still in lockdown to this day. We all know Americans wouldn’t have let that happen without the implementation of martial law. The implications of that speak for itself, but on top of that- the economy really dies and people are so depressed from the lockdown that they are taking their own lives.

I don’t know, call me crazy but I think he did a tremendous job when he was faced with an unprecedented task. Also, much respect for being so committed to the point of giving daily task force briefings to keep the people updated and to offer encouraging words- which I think is important for the people to hear rather than focusing on fear.

Democrats in 2016: Trump will become a dictator and must be stopped

Democrats 2020: Trump didn’t turn into a dictator and must be stopped.

he’s damned if he does damned if he doesn’t.

 

[jswain34]

This. Well said.

. At the end of the day, the death count will always rely on how strictly the public sticks to social distancing and other recommendations, as the government can only do so much..

@dixonk, so now you agree that social distancing “and other recommendations” (I’m assuming he’s talking about face coverings here) would be beneficial if followed?

 

[HIT4ME]

In other real news, Trump knew covid-19 would be deadly to 5% of hosts, yet downplayed it without adequating preparing people for the threat.

Can you really not get it? It is his job to lead, not to run around yelling the sky is falling. We have Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden for that. Look at BLM and what happens when 1 person gets shot - they are all for defunding the police and over-reacting.

Plus, you know, he's also getting criticized for being too aggressive in his lock downs by many citizens. A lot of people are kind of upset that their business has been shut down and they can no longer work and pay the rent. Is he supposed to make it worse? I mean, if it gets worse - are we going to rely on Pelosi to cooperate? She still hasn't been able to become a reasonable person and get a stimulus package needed. She did get her USPS funding taken care of right away though.

Except they're not the President.

Republicans really do have to try hard to make it seem like Trump wasn't blatantly downplaying the virus lol. He KNEW, and yet he lied. Only got him to blame

Who isn't saying he wasn't blatantly downplaying the virus? Just the dems. It was blatant. It was obvious what he was doing. He's trying to maintain order - again, I only have to point to the BLM movement to show how fast things can get out of hand when people overreact. He was blatantly telling people to not over-react. You can call it downplaying, but he also shut down flights and tried to take action early on.

It's funny how you always want to claim republicans are always looking to blame other people, but Pelosi OBSTRUCTED Trump's efforts to keep the virus at bay. She called him a xenophobe and heavily criticized him. If we followed her lead, where would we be? You can say, "Well, he's the president" - yes and there is only 1 more person between her and the presidency (for now, we all know what her plan is). We have a government, with many people given enormous powers, and it is funny that the one guy that did SOMETHING is being criticized now for not doing enough and for "downplaying" it, while the people who did NOTHING or even fought any efforts at protecting citizens are pointing the cannons.

How about this, on January 28th, Trump tried to shut down flights from China. Pelosi called him a xenophobe - how is THAT for downplaying the virus? *in my best infomercial voice* But wait, that's not all! There's More:

Go read her press reports. Go look at what she was talking about for a full 30 days AFTER that. NO MENTION of the dangers of the virus. How is THAT for downplaying the virus?

OBVIOUSLY Trump knew it was bad, he tried to shut down flights. Again, what you are suggesting brings up images in my head of Bush running around on 9/11 in a class room full of Kindergartners freaking out and yelling, "What are we going to do!"

You ask a lot about double standards, but why aren't you applying any of the same standards to the other people in power, who obstructed the safety of citizens, at the time? Why do they get a free pass?

This is also like me saying, "News flash! Pelosi admits she has been obstructing Trump since the beginning!" Tell us something we can't see plainly. It's not news.

Deflection. Classic. Hes still to blame. Stop deflecting

You guys blame Obama for everything, now all of a sudden "the president's dont actually have much influence?"

You are really projecting here. The President has enormous influence, but he's not the ONLY guy in power. There are responsibilities. Being a Senator or Congressperson doesn't mean you cannot be held accountable for job performance. They have responsibilities.

Trump actually did SOMETHING. Was it enough? Maybe not. Could it have been more if he had some reasonable people to work with? Without a doubt. Just like he just passed an executive order to provide SOME aid to the American citizens suffering during these times while Pelosi and the dems are obstructing. Could he have done more with their help? Without a doubt. Was his aid enough? No - but he is doing what he is limited to. And then he is going to get criticized it isn't enough.

And I haven't been blaming Obama here, I'm blaming the other people who are in power and who are obstructing efforts to protect the country and provide aid.

You do realize that blaming Trump for everything, is actually deflection right? Pelosi and the Dems all get a free pass because "they're not the president"? Well, great. Then let's stop paying them for their "service" if we don't need them.

 

[HIT4ME]

Ok, step one is control border access. Good. Step 2 is control community transmission. Not so good.

Um, step 1 didn't go so well either. Trump has been trying to control the borders since day 1 of his presidency and has been OBSTRUCTED at every turn. How can you fault him for not having a great step 2 when he was prevented from actually completing step 1!?

You also realize that if Trump came out and said, "The sky is falling, everybody stay home, stockpile your food, avoid all other humans wear a mask if you have to leave the house. " that this country would have FREAKED. As it was I couldn't get toilet paper, paper towels, meat, veggies. Suddenly everyone in the country was a huge fan of broccoli even. Freezers were sold out everywhere and my friend with an appliance business is still back ordered on them today. How bad would that have made things?

And if he said that, we all know that Pelosi would have been out there without a mask saying, "This is fine - see, I just got my hair blown out."

It's all a game and you're being played by an old hag.

I'd wager Democrats would say the same about the majority of Republicans. You have a Republican president who barely cares 192,000 Americans are now dead due to a virus he knew all about. And you guys are still defending him.

Yeah? You really believe this? How much does Pelosi care? While trying to workout a stimulus package she came back with demands to limit Trumps power, because POWER is all she cares about, and when she didn't get that she let everyone go on vacation while the people were suffering. He at least did pass an executive order to get people some money. Oh, in Pelosi's defense, she did hurry everybody back when the USPS needed funds to ensure she could stuff the ballot box. Oh, wait, that was just another grab at power. Yeah, Trump is the one that doesn't care about the people.

Yeah absolutely tragic what happened. I remember watching it on the news at school. Next year will be 20 years. Crazy.

On the 10th year anniversary I spent it trying to find the names and faces of all the victims. Turns out, it takes a long time when it is so many names and faces.

That's a good exercise. We should have a website or something with all that. I remember that day like it was yesterday. I was in college, woke up, took a shower...didn't have the TV or anything on so I was just getting ready for class like any day and my phone starts ringing while I'm in the shower. When I get out it's ringing again and it's my mom's secretary..."Just making sure everyone is OK." I remember thinking, "Why the heck are you calling me at 8 AM to see if everything's ok." and then she's like, "A plane just hit the World Trade Center." - and I'm still in wake up mode and I thought she was over reacting a little....and then the second one hit. We all went to class and the TV was on and we just sat there in silence, watching. Totally shock. ]

Hard to imagine that people who weren't even born yet are now in college.

And I'd say not nearly as many Democrats do this as you think. Again, that link has some good insights. Both sides see each other as the enemy, when they arent.

That would be like a Democrat saying "all Republicans are racist, misogynistic white men". Just because a few are, doesn't mean they all are.

You mean, racist, misogynistic white men like Joe Biden? haha.

Honestly, I DO think democrats as an institution have become the enemy. They are part of the, "This is right because we have a consensus and all the smart people agree it is right." method of lazy thought that society has had to fight back since the dawn of time. But they wouldn't necessarily be where they are if republican "leaders" didn't play a role either - like you said, sheep going in different directions.

The issue is they are all politicians. Except Trump. He really isn't. People think he's making so much as the president, but he's not. They had a critical article about him a week ago talking about how his kids BEGGED him to abandon his campaign because his companies were losing millions over it all. He could be making more money just doing what he's always done.

I know this may be hard to fathom, but I do honestly believe that he may have some narcissistic tendencies, he does have empathy in him. Just like the latest claim, with no real proof or evidence, that he disparaged troops. Well, that goes against what his actions have shown. He spoke with the father of a fallen soldier who was on hard times and who's ex-wife was getting the son's benefits - so Trump sent him money out of his own pocket. Of course he got criticized for that too because he didn't send it fast enough.

He has pulled more soldiers out of harms way than any of our politicians wanted. While Obama was sending more soldiers over seas, Trump is bringing them home.

Numerous families have reported having him call after a family member died in service and they have, without fail, described him as being sincere and genuine and they were really thankful for his calls. I'm not trying to deflect here - just a tangent that shows I think he gets criticized in such a way that he seems like the devil and while I'm not saying he is up for sainthood, he's a human being and he does some things better than others.

But merely suggesting the idea that Trump could actually have a "good" side to him, will get most democrats so worked up and emotional it is often not even mentioned. I have people in my life I would NEVER bother saying that to because the fallout would be ridiculous.

expressing sympathies from the other side of the world is good and i thank you...but you have no more clue what a impact it had than i would have if something similar happened in NZ....please don't pretend you do, thank you!!!

I was in North Carolina when this happened. I'm not sure I really understand the impact of it all. I know people who were first responders on the scene. I know a guy who was there in a couple hours as a news photographer and a lot of the photos that you see in documentaries and such are photos he took. I know people who volunteered from all over to rush to NYC and climb through rubble and save people. I wasn't any of those people. I actually regret that.

I hope nothing like that ever happens in NZ or anywhere else. I appreciate anyone taking the time to look up information and learn about it. How many Americans have spent time trying to find every name on the list of people lost that day?

 

[HIT4ME]

This is yet another febile attempt by the dems and media to attack Trump on the COVID-19 response and it won’t be the last time. It fits right into their wheelhouse because they can criticize everything he did or didn’t do based on some sort of fantasy model that even they don’t have the answers to. There was no COVID-19 response handbook available and there still isn’t.

I could be missing something, but all the proposed controversy seems to be in reference to nothing but the following statement by Trump: “I wanted to always play it down,” Trump told Woodward in the audio of a March 19 interview obtained and published by CNN. “I still like playing it down because I don’t want to create a panic.”

While I think we are still learning about the full impact if the virus, it never was and still isn’t a death sentence to an overwhelming majority of people. For this reason, there is a great number of people that think his actions with the shutdown were too aggressive. I’m not really sure exactly what people expected for him to do differently when he made the safest choices given our circumstances and understanding at those moments. Meanwhile, our citizens were making up their own rules anyway. Causing panic would have been counterproductive, unwarranted, or completely ignored.

Once it got out if China, it was just a matter of each country delaying the inevitable. That’s why it “is what it is,” and that is why it’s called a pandemic. The healthcare system was hit hard, but we were largely successful in not being overwhelmed which ultimately was the main objective. Then it became time to get back to somewhat of a normal life, as that is what the people wanted and had started to do anyway.

Honestly I think this little “Trump knew we were going to die“ scandal isn’t anything the general public is taking all that seriously. It’s more like the media is just amusing themselves..

I, and everyone on this board, would like to thank you @Ricky10 for making my posts shorter. Very well said.

I'm pretty sure there was a pandemic response manual and a pandemic response team prior to the outbreak. It might not have been Covid-19 specific, but noone could have predicted the exact strain of the next pandemic. Any number of thousands of viruses currently not able to make the leap to humans could develop the right mutation that allows zoonotic capability.

However there was a pandemic manual left behind. But once again, people will keep defending it and so he keeps getting away with it. A Democratic president would never be given so much slack by you guys. Republicans were mad about Obama's mismanagement of Swine Flu - wheres that same scrutiny now?

In related news, seen the latest Time magazine cover?

I get a real kick out of the "Pandemic Response Manual" thing. Like Trump lost this binder and couldn't find it. Like he was running around the WH looking in all the drawers and such. "Where is that dang thing. I know I left it here somewhere."

And if this is how the WH works, well, then Biden is in REAL trouble. His actions will constantly be, "Where is that dogfaced thing anyway? It was around here somewhere. Wait, what am I looking for again?"

"....What room is this?"

"It's the oval office, sir."

Trust me, if that manual had anything in it that was of value, even if he threw it in the trash, he could have gotten it from someone else. Plans are worthless. Just because Obama had conceived a plan, based on theory, doesn't mean it was about to work in the real world.

But, let's just speculate - since you so eloquently broke this down into steps earlier - what do you think step 1 of that plan is? Why hasn't Obama come out and shown his plan to the people and outlined everything Trump ignored? You think the people who created that plan don't have a copy of it somewhere? It's just gone forever?

 

[dixonk]

@dixonk, so now you agree that social distancing “and other recommendations” (I’m assuming he’s talking about face coverings here) would be beneficial if followed?

I am not against any measures. Never have been. I am against mandating these measures. Big difference. I just don’t want to hand over anymore power to the government than what is necessary. I do kind of think the masks are stupid and I doubt the claim that they work. Social distancing and washing hands sure.

 

[jswain34]

I am not against any measures. Never have been. I am against mandating these measures. Big difference. I just don’t want to hand over anymore power to the government than what is necessary. I do kind of think the masks are stupid and I doubt the claim that they work. Social distancing and washing hands sure.

Interesting. I mustve misinterpreted all of your “all this **** is dumb and worthless” rants. I am in your camp that I dont want the government having any more power than they already do 100%.

If we just had citizens that would listen to the people who are qualified to make these recommendations (vs Aunt Linda on facebook who peddles essential oils) and would electively go through a little “discomfort” (imo 99% of people that make a huge deal out of the “discomfort” of face coverings are just humongous pussies or need to try a different, more comfortable mask/face covering) to protect one another from a novel disease, then perhaps the government wouldn’t feel the need to have to mandate such measures.

If you believe social distancing works in order to slow transmission of respiratory droplets, why wouldnt a mask that stops the majority of respiratory droplets from passing through it work as well? Remember, aerosols and droplets are two entirely different things.

 

[HIT4ME]

Another good example.

Trump: "Cities and states will re-open when I say they can."

Dems: "That isn't within your power! You are not a dictator!"

Trump: *flipping through his paperwork* "Ok, you're right. Governors are in charge of their states."

Dems: "Trump is not doing anything about Covid. He's leaving it up to the governors!"

 

[HIT4ME]

Interesting. I mustve misinterpreted all of your “all this **** is dumb and worthless” rants. I am in your camp that I dont want the government having any more power than they already do 100%.

If we just had citizens that would listen to the people who are qualified to make these recommendations (vs Aunt Linda on facebook who peddles essential oils) and would electively go through a little “discomfort” (imo 99% of people that make a huge deal out of the “discomfort” of face coverings are just humongous pussies or need to try a different, more comfortable mask/face covering) to protect one another from a novel disease, then perhaps the government wouldn’t feel the need to have to mandate such measures.

If you believe social distancing works in order to slow transmission of respiratory droplets, why wouldnt a mask that stops the majority of respiratory droplets from passing through it work as well? Remember, aerosols and droplets are two entirely different things.

This is me too I think. I believe that republicans got put in this camp where the "line" is that this is some crazy conspiracy by the dems. I can buy that the dems have certainly used this to their political advantage as much as they could - but the virus itself is real and a threat. And too many people are just clueless.

Even the other day I heard people talking about how they are wearing a mask to "protect themselves" - and I don't get how in this time, after months, people don't get it - it's a courtesy to others! It isn't about protecting you, it is about protecting the people around you.

 

[dixonk]

I just look at it as, if you want to wear a mask that’s cool. If you don’t that’s cool too. Besides if your mask works and you are socially distancing then then guy not wearing his mask will not be a problem right?

I strongly believe in social distancing, sanitizing, and washing hands. Hell I was doing that long before it was “cool” to do. Strangely I never get sick . The mask thing I wear in a store because I have to. I am not convinced it is effective. I stand by my opinion that they are stupid, but if I have to wear one because a business requires it then I am cool with that.

 

[HIT4ME]

I just look at it as, if you want to wear a mask that’s cool. If you don’t that’s cool too. Besides if your mask works and you are socially distancing then then guy not wearing his mask will not be a problem right?

I strongly believe in social distancing, sanitizing, and washing hands. Hell I was doing that long before it was “cool” to do. Strangely I never get sick . The mask thing I wear in a store because I have to. I am not convinced it is effective. I stand by my opinion that they are stupid, but if I have to wear one because a business requires it then I am cool with that.

But I think this is basically where we are. You don't have to wear a mask 100% of the time. When you go into an area with population, like a store, it is polite to do for others and many stores require it, basically all at this point, so if you want to shop there you have to wear a mask. If you don't want to wear a mask, then you can't shop their. Just like a store can have a policy of, "No shirt, no shoes, no entry." Because you know, wearing clothes doesn't necessarily do anything for you. But it is polite for others.

 

[dixonk]

But I think this is basically where we are. You don't have to wear a mask 100% of the time. When you go into an area with population, like a store, it is polite to do for others and many stores require it, basically all at this point, so if you want to shop there you have to wear a mask. If you don't want to wear a mask, then you can't shop their. Just like a store can have a policy of, "No shirt, no shoes, no entry." Because you know, wearing clothes doesn't necessarily do anything for you. But it is polite for others.

So long as the store is setting the policy and not the local dictator I am fine with that.

 

[Ricky10]

This is me too I think. I believe that republicans got put in this camp where the "line" is that this is some crazy conspiracy by the dems. I can buy that the dems have certainly used this to their political advantage as much as they could - but the virus itself is real and a threat. And too many people are just clueless.

Even the other day I heard people talking about how they are wearing a mask to "protect themselves" - and I don't get how in this time, after months, people don't get it - it's a courtesy to others! It isn't about protecting you, it is about protecting the people around you.

It’s worth noting that it’s now suggested that surgical masks not only protect others, but it also helps in protecting ourselves from COVID-19. While you don’t have the same degree of filtration and certainly not the seal of an N95, they have been shown to reduce viral load from an exposure, which still reduces chances of getting sick, and also makes it more likely that the illness will be less severe if you do get sick.

I get plenty of surgical masks from my workplace. I don’t steal them, but they just build up over time. Those of us that want to get the most out of wearing a mask in our daily life should forego the scarfs and cloth masks in favor of purchasing some surgical masks. Many people don’t realize that they have an electrostatic charge that also helps in blocking viral particles. Don’t attempt wash them in any way though as that will eliminate the charge.

I work in probably the most high risk occupation out there, and every discipline wears surgical masks throughout our shifts. We have only had one employee test positive for COVID-19, and that was a person that used to help us get dressed in the full PPE before entering the COVID positive unit. I think it’s pretty remarkable that we have essentially had no issue with COVID transmission throughout our staff, despite multiple exposures to some oopsie positive patients when staff were just utilizing surgical masks and hand hygiene. Also, while we try to social distance in the hospital, it largely doesn’t happen. We have to do oir jobs so it’s not an option. Bottom line, I think masks (particularly surgical) work!

 

[ax1]

I just look at it as, if you want to wear a mask that’s cool. If you don’t that’s cool too. Besides if your mask works and you are socially distancing then then guy not wearing his mask will not be a problem right?

I strongly believe in social distancing, sanitizing, and washing hands. Hell I was doing that long before it was “cool” to do. Strangely I never get sick . The mask thing I wear in a store because I have to. I am not convinced it is effective. I stand by my opinion that they are stupid, but if I have to wear one because a business requires it then I am cool with that.

Governments only job is to inform the public and make suggestions imo. If a business wants to mandate it on private property, then by all means they have a right to call the police if someone doesnt want to leave.

I keep telling people for years, why the fuq you want to rely on the government to save you? Your only going to end up disappointment.

Your best shot as saving lifes are free markets with government mostly out of the way. I mean these lockdowns happened only because of low hospital capacity limits and "means of use" policies set by government, it was illegal for hospitals and independent doctors to respond until government and especially here in NY deregulated the laws that created the problem!

 

[ax1]

It's all a game and you're being played by an old hag.

Thats exactly why I speak out, not because Im a Dump supporter, Im not......but Putin puts me on his payroll because I can smell this BS right away and I want people to see they are being manipulated. Its all a distraction from real issues.

 

[Ricky10]

Just like a store can have a policy of, "No shirt, no shoes, no entry." Because you know, wearing clothes doesn't necessarily do anything for you. But it is polite for others.

I’m going to start going into stores with nothing on except for a Blue Lives Matter Mask. Nobody can say I wasn’t being respectful.

I better start soon though because the weather is changing. I want to be looking my best and hangin low!

 

[ax1]

This is me too I think. I believe that republicans got put in this camp where the "line" is that this is some crazy conspiracy by the dems. I can buy that the dems have certainly used this to their political advantage as much as they could - but the virus itself is real and a threat. And too many people are just clueless.

Even the other day I heard people talking about how they are wearing a mask to "protect themselves" - and I don't get how in this time, after months, people don't get it - it's a courtesy to others! It isn't about protecting you, it is about protecting the people around you.

After all, almost nobody I see is even wearing them properly for self protection....I still see people fumbling with the masks risking contact infection but anyways this works to protect others, unless you still are one of those bungholes who wear masks with ventilators. I do agree this works for protecting others.

 

[ax1]

It’s worth noting that it’s now suggested that surgical masks not only protect others, but it also helps in protecting ourselves from COVID-19. While you don’t have the same degree of filtration and certainly not the seal of an N95, they have been shown to reduce viral load from an exposure, which still reduces chances of getting sick, and also makes it more likely that the illness will be less severe if you do get sick.

I dont really believe that, most people the way they wear it all the air they suck in comes from all around the sides. Maybe it helps 1 percet??? I dunno I dont buy it, I do buy that it helps significantly drop airborne partials, but if your next to someone your screwed because most of the air is getting blown out of the side and then its coming from your own side of mask. Then there is mask handling but thats another story and I just mentioned that before.

Social distancing is absolute best.

 

[ax1]

I work in probably the most high risk occupation out there, and every discipline wears surgical masks throughout our shifts. We have only had one employee test positive for COVID-19, and that was a person that used to help us get dressed in the full PPE before entering the COVID positive unit. I think it’s pretty remarkable that we have essentially had no issue with COVID transmission throughout our staff, despite multiple exposures to some oopsie positive patients when staff were just utilizing surgical masks and hand hygiene. Also, while we try to social distance in the hospital, it largely doesn’t happen. We have to do oir jobs so it’s not an option. Bottom line, I think masks (particularly surgical) work!

Your masks seal around the face right?

I was thinking your talking about those basic ones that just cover your face and impossible to seal.

 

[ax1]

However there was a pandemic manual left behind. But once again, people will keep defending it and so he keeps getting away with it. A Democratic president would never be given so much slack by you guys. Republicans were mad about Obama's mismanagement of Swine Flu - wheres that same scrutiny now?

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[Ricky10]

I dont really believe that, most people the way they wear it all the air they suck in comes from all around the sides. Maybe it helps 1 percet??? I dunno I dont buy it, I do buy that it helps significantly drop airborne partials, but if your next to someone your screwed because most of the air is getting blown out of the side and then its coming from your own side of mask. Then there is mask handling but thats another story and I just mentioned that before.

Social distancing is absolute best.
Yeah, if you can stay away from people, that’s pretty effective!

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I have seen several reports on surgical masks being more effective than previously thought, but more telling to me is how our staff has only experienced 1 positive case. This is despite some errors and careless actions of employees. For example wearing surgical masks rather than N95’s with face shield when caring for PUIs, or patients that received a false negative as their first test, and subsequently test positive on their second or even third.

Your masks seal around the face right?

I was thinking your talking about those basic ones that just cover your face and impossible to seal.

This is what I wear at all times while at work, or go out in public etc.

This is what I wear with an official PUI (person under investigation), or a confirmed positive. Along with a riot face shield and gown etc.

 

[ax1]

This is what I wear at all times while at work, or go out in public etc.

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This is what I wear with an official PUI (person under investigation), or a confirmed positive. Along with a riot face shield and gown etc.

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That is an incredible difference between the two, Im glad you have the proper one for your job thats for sure!

 

[Ricky10]

That is an incredible difference between the two, Im glad you have the proper one for your job thats for sure!

I have to use the same N95 all day though, with multiple patients! The last day I worked, and many times before that, I left the room of a positive patient and we then place the open end of a plastic tupperware container over our mouth and nose area, and then place the mask straps on the underside of the tupperware container. Then you pull that away from your face and place it in a brown paper bag. I then proceed to go to another patient who may be a PUI, and I have to use the same contaminated mask, placing it on myslef in the reverse manner from the paper bag. This is our protocol. Not only do I think that is high risk in transmitting the virus to myself, I also don‘t think the patients who might have COVID would be too pleased if they knew the person standing in front of them was wearing a mask that just came out of a COVID positive patients room.

Crazy ****..

 

[ax1]

I have to use the same N95 all day though, with multiple patients! The last day I worked, and many times before that, I left the room of a positive patient and we then put place the open end of a plastic tupperware container over our mouth and nose area and then place the mask straps on the underside of the tupperware container. Then you pull that away from your face and place it in a brown paper bag. I then proceed to go to another patient who may be a PUI, and I have to use the same contaminated mask, placing it on myslef in the reverse manner from the paper bag. This is our protocol. Not only do I think that is high risk in transmitting the virus to myself, I also don‘t think the patients who might have COVID would be too pleased if they knew the person standing in front of them was wearing a mask that just came out of a COVID positive patients room.

Crazy ****..

Thats just because of the shortages right? The shortages still exist?

 

[Ricky10]

Thats just because of the shortages right? The shortages still exist?

Yes, normally it’s single time/single patient use. Throw it out every time you leave the room- doesn’t matter if you are in and out of the same patients room 20 times in one day. New mask each time.

Yes, it all started this way because of the shortage. They then started requiring us to submit that same mask after our day was over so it could be stored (none of us know where) and reused in the event that we run out. I don’t know the status of N95s currently, and they don’t talk about it. Honestly, I think they would continue the current protocol regardless because it saves them money.

 

[manifesto]

Who ever said we were perfect? You dig hard enough and root issues come to the surface- noones hiding that here.

I agree with all the criticisms myself. Too many people in poverty, too much suicide, too little mental health assistance, too many Maori and Polynesians in our prison systems.

Those are valid points I agree with

Why is there too many Maori and Polynesian is your prison system? Did they break the law? Or they were literally thrown in their because of their ethnicity?

 

[ax1]

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but they had a vision that was clear -- to create a safe space for their Black families.

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[ax1]

So does this mean I cant rent a apartment there based on the color of my skin?

And these people want equality?????

 

[Ricky10]

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19 families buy nearly 97 acres of land in Georgia to create a city safe for Black people

but they had a vision that was clear -- to create a safe space for their Black families.

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Seeing as how they kill each other more than anyone else kills them, it won’t take long before they realize they failed to think this through.

 

[thebigt]

Seeing as how they kill each other more than anyone else kills them, it won’t take long before they realize they failed to think this through.

kinda reminds me of communes back in late 60's, look at how many there are today, lol.

 

[thebigt]

Why is there too many Maori and Polynesian is your prison system? Did they break the law? Or they were literally thrown in their because of their ethnicity?

imagine if all those maori had guns????

 

[thebigt]

'data shows that half of all donations to actblue came from untraceable unemployed donors'

a take back action fund of $400 million in donations raises red flags of possible foreign involvement....more truth of whatever democrats accuse others of-they have already been doing!!!

 

[ax1]

imagine if all those maori had guns????

Regardless of guns or not, NZ police clearly racially and systematically oppress the natives of the whitey occupied country.

NZers need to set an example on how they could diversify the system and elect a Maori native as president.

Here is something interesting, Black people are so insignificant in New Zealand they not only make up 1.5% of NZ, but thats 1.5% of all blacks/latins/middle-eastern COMBINED! They dont even get their own group!

No wonder you dont hear black people complaining in NZ about police suppression, they barely exist!

Maori on the other hand, well they are shyt all over. I wonder how NZ'ers would behave if their whitey population was watered down a bit by opening the doors for African natives to emigrate into NZ and jumping that ratio to 13% comparable to the USA.

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[ax1]

Maori on the other hand, well they are shyt all over. I wonder how NZ'ers would behave if their whitey population was watered down a bit by opening the doors for African natives to emigrate into NZ and jumping that ratio to 13% comparable to the USA.

Welllll.....this answers my question....

Racism thriving in New Zealand

Most Pākehā New Zealanders, however, will stoutly declare their belief in and support for racial equality, but nonetheless will refuse to surrender their subtle privileges and all the policies that make them possible. This can be seen as New Age racism, in which the majority Pākehā community have failed to actively address real racial inequality simply to maintain the comfortable racial status quo.

This is the covert, subtle and damaging racism of underlying prejudice and unspoken patronising assumption that ethnicity on its own dictates the role we allow or tolerate others to play in society. This is the racism that can be heard in our pubs, workplace smoko rooms and elitist clubs anywhere in the country and is very different to xenophobia, which is the deep-rooted and often irrational fear and distrust of strangers. I know, as I have heard and challenged it many times, to the astonishment of many. I look and sound Pākehā - and indeed I am Pākehā - but my early years were spent in a predominantly Māori community which I still refer to as home and where many Māori relatives still live.

Most people who are subjected to racism in New Zealand are not strangers here. Some non-European ethnic groups are third- and even fourth-generation native-born Kiwis. They are often workmates and neighbours. Every ethnic group in New Zealand, including Pākehā, feels the sting of racism from time to time, but it is minority groups, and anything about them, which are subjected to more than majority groups.

This was clearly shown a week ago when the debate sparked by the Waikato Times about teaching the history of the New Zealand Land Wars in schools coincided with Māori Language Week.

Opponents to the teaching of Māori have suggested in letters to various editors up and down the country that the language of today is nothing like original Māori and that there is no value in teaching a "bastardised" version. As one who was exposed to both languages in my formative years, there is no doubt that both have changed over my lifetime. My grandparents would have difficulty understanding much of the English spoken in New Zealand today and idiomatic Māori is also very different to the language spoken by my relatives, schoolmates and their parents. That is simply the natural evolution of any living language and not a valid reason to not teach Māori as it is spoken today. Archaic, or classical, Māori is still spoken on appropriate occasions by a growing number of speakers, but there is much yet to do.

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[ax1]

Racism in New Zealand runs deep

When American doctor Satra Browne came to work in NZ, she thought she was leaving the cultural baggage of racism behind. Here she speaks of how the rose-coloured glasses she was issued on arrival have been pried off.

As a black American living in Aotearoa New Zealand, I have found myself in a unique position after George Floyd’s death. I have been looked to to provide context and insight after yet another senseless killing.

In truth, there is nothing new about a black man being murdered by police. We have all been inoculated to the atrocities that people of colour face in the aftermath of slavery and colonialism. But it is also true that I have a clearer perspective on US racism than many in my New Zealand community. In the US, I was relentlessly reminded of my place as a black person.

I know what it’s like to go shopping in the mall and be followed by the attendant or called monkey by adults in the supermarket when all I was doing was giggling with my teenage sister.

I know what it’s like to be called n*gger by my neighbour while playing in our backyard.

Despite excelling academically and becoming student council president, when I was accepted to a prestigious summer programme, a white student’s father contested my placement and demanded my high school provide an official copy of my SAT scores.

I have been told over and over again in university and medical school that I was only there because of affirmative action and “special treatment”.

But soon, my new reality became clearer, and boy have my glasses been pried off. I’ve been called n*gger in New Zealand not only by my patients, but also by a fellow doctor colleague, supposedly in jest. In and out of the hospital, I constantly hear blatant ignorance: “You can’t put a comb through your hair” or “I know where you’re from ... Rwanda”. No questions, just statements.

I have feared for my life because of the colour of my skin. After a long bus ride to a remote part of Virginia, I desperately needed to use the bathroom. I caught a cab then explained to the older African-American driver that I’d quickly run into a nearby bar – the only source of light in the pitch black darkness. “I wouldn’t go in there if I was you”, he responded in a slow, deliberate tone. I immediately knew what he meant. I wasn’t going to let racism stop this basic need, so protested, “But I really have to go and it’s 2011 and...” I suddenly felt his gaze piercing back at me from the rearview mirror. The sombre look on his face and depth of his eyes said it all. You won’t just be called n*gger, you could be raped or killed. I shut up, held my bladder, and we rode into the dark night in silence until we arrived to my destination 20 minutes later.

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[thebigt]

Welllll.....this answers my question....

Racism thriving in New Zealand

Most Pākehā New Zealanders, however, will stoutly declare their belief in and support for racial equality, but nonetheless will refuse to surrender their subtle privileges and all the policies that make them possible. This can be seen as New Age racism, in which the majority Pākehā community have failed to actively address real racial inequality simply to maintain the comfortable racial status quo.

This is the covert, subtle and damaging racism of underlying prejudice and unspoken patronising assumption that ethnicity on its own dictates the role we allow or tolerate others to play in society. This is the racism that can be heard in our pubs, workplace smoko rooms and elitist clubs anywhere in the country and is very different to xenophobia, which is the deep-rooted and often irrational fear and distrust of strangers. I know, as I have heard and challenged it many times, to the astonishment of many. I look and sound Pākehā - and indeed I am Pākehā - but my early years were spent in a predominantly Māori community which I still refer to as home and where many Māori relatives still live.

Most people who are subjected to racism in New Zealand are not strangers here. Some non-European ethnic groups are third- and even fourth-generation native-born Kiwis. They are often workmates and neighbours. Every ethnic group in New Zealand, including Pākehā, feels the sting of racism from time to time, but it is minority groups, and anything about them, which are subjected to more than majority groups.

This was clearly shown a week ago when the debate sparked by the Waikato Times about teaching the history of the New Zealand Land Wars in schools coincided with Māori Language Week.

Opponents to the teaching of Māori have suggested in letters to various editors up and down the country that the language of today is nothing like original Māori and that there is no value in teaching a "bastardised" version. As one who was exposed to both languages in my formative years, there is no doubt that both have changed over my lifetime. My grandparents would have difficulty understanding much of the English spoken in New Zealand today and idiomatic Māori is also very different to the language spoken by my relatives, schoolmates and their parents. That is simply the natural evolution of any living language and not a valid reason to not teach Māori as it is spoken today. Archaic, or classical, Māori is still spoken on appropriate occasions by a growing number of speakers, but there is much yet to do.

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kinda ironic to have a fellow from new zealand on here telling Americans how racist WE are-eh?

 

[ax1]

Black Lives Matter: Indian-American man says NZ more racist than the US

6 Jun, 2020 11:50am

An Indian-American said he was the subject of more racism in a week in New Zealand than the entirety of his life in the US and more than 30 other countries he's visited.

The man wrote about his experience during his visit to New Zealand in a post on Reddit, which has received more than 2000 comments in just a few hours.

Posting on the New Zealand Reddit page, he began by explaining how the current Black Lives Matter movement reminded him of his experience in New Zealand "a while back".

"I've been seeing a lot of New Zealanders posting about how America is so racist and posting various Black Lives Matter posts, and I just found it ironic since in my ~1 week in NZ I experienced more racism in than my entire life in the US and the 35+ countries I've been to," he wrot

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[ax1]

kinda ironic to have a fellow from new zealand on here telling Americans how racist WE are-eh?

We have problems of course, but we are by far the least racist and most diverse nation on the planet, possibly in all of human history. And our police do not systematically oppress people based off racism, they as a whole oppress criminals regardless of their skin pigment.

 

[thebigt]

We have problems of course, but we are by far the least racist and most diverse nation on the planet, possibly in all of human history. And our police do not systematically oppress people based off racism, they as a whole oppress criminals regardless of their skin pigment.

well said!!!

 

[ax1]

Real Housewives and the real racism New Zealand prefers to pretend doesn’t exist

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A Black woman living in New Zealand talks about this week’s episode of Real Housewives, and why it’s indicative of a broader racist culture in New Zealand we still refuse to acknowledge.

This week’s episode of Real Housewives has left many people shocked. They cannot believe that there are white people who think it’s okay to say the N-word. Some want to Invalid Link Removed for airing this episode in the first place. Others are appalled that this may have been a ratings ploy.

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I was shocked, too. But for different reasons. I am shocked at the country’s shock, which leads me to believe that many New Zealanders are either unaware of what happens in their proverbial backyard, or know and don’t care. I’m a Black woman who has lived in New Zealand for the last 15 years, and I want to make something clear at the outset: I’m writing about anti-Blackness in New Zealand.

While I acknowledge the racism experienced by other racial/ethnic minority groups, those are not my experiences to narrate and I will not be discussing those here. To those people, and to tangata whenua in particular, I see you and I stand with you in solidarity as we fight against a white supremacist society that affects our people in salient and specific ways.

Let’s take a stroll through that backyard. I can sense the reluctance of many of you. I can see you shaking your heads and I can hear you protest “I’m not racist!” That seems a little inaccurate given that many New Zealanders don’t even acknowledge whose land their backyard sits on, but okay. Let’s get back to the Real Housewives of Auckland.

This episode is important because it reveals more about New Zealand than many New Zealanders are willing to acknowledge. Julia Sloane’s comment and subsequent justifications reflect the anti-Black racism that is constantly perpetuated in this country. Sloane used a racist term, feigned ignorance, and offered a confused explanation which showed that she simultaneously did not know what she was saying and knew she’d said something terrible.

She went on to offer an apology that lacked an apology. How can you apologise for making a racist statement if you won’t acknowledge the racism in your statement? What Michelle Blanchard wanted was for Sloane to meaningfully recognise that she used a racial slur and apologise for it – to own up to what she said. That’s not what Sloane did, and if you think it is, you should seriously reflect on how you apologise to people.

The acknowledgement of Sloane’s racism – and I mean real ‘that was racist regardless of the intention’ acknowledgement – was nowhere to be found in Tuesday night’s episode. But reality television has a way of reflecting the society in which it is produced. Please do not make the mistake of thinking that this is an isolated incident. There are many white people in this country who think it’s okay to say the N-word, and do so frequently. They’re part of the reason I no longer attend live hip hop shows. There’s something about being in a roomful of people who aren’t Black yelling the N-word that makes me feel really unsafe. Yes, even if it’s in the song – because you cannot say it if you aren’t Black.

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[Ricky10]

And these people want equality?????

No, no, superiority..

Where is the voice for whites, hisapanics, asians, and everyone else that actually wants equality?

Does anyone else feel that another civil war is inevitable? Not that it hasn’t already started...

 

[thebigt]

No, no, superiority..

Where is the voice for whites, hisapanics, asians, and everyone else that actually wants equality?

Does anyone else feel that another civil war is inevitable? Not that it hasn’t already started...

but....biden is going to heal the nation--he will be a leader for ALL Americans---what a joke!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

Seems to be this?

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While there are lower numbers of confirmed or reported cases in other countries, I don’t think they accurately represent what is happening overall. Each country’s testing protocol - or lack thereof is far from being standardized across the world. We have to look at such numbers with a high degree of skepticism, and I completely stopped looking at the numbers months ago.

That said, if 200,000 deaths is accurate, I think we are doing quite well when you consider that anywhere from 100,000 to 2.2 million deaths were initially predicted. At the end of the day, the death count will always rely on how strictly the public sticks to social distancing and other recommendations, as the government can only do so much.

On the same note, our citizens will only tolerate a certain level of infringement on their lives for so long. As a whole, the American population values person freedom and independence more than the collective health of the masses. We have seen that demonstrated in countless ways on a small and large scale.

So what good would it do to blame anyone (except for China) at this point? Well again, it’s just to try and earn votes for the democrats who have demonstrated that they have nothing of value to contribute themselves.

It wasn't a dig, it just came on the news. I subscribe to Time (well I get it as part of a magazine bundle) so I'm intrigued.

 

[thebigt]

It wasn't a dig, it just came on the news. I subscribe to Time (well I get it as part of a magazine bundle) so I'm intrigued.

google-salesforce connection to china

salesforce is new owner of time magazine, lol. your sources suck

 

[HIT4ME]

kinda ironic to have a fellow from new zealand on here telling Americans how racist WE are-eh?

Well, I guess that Facebook has determined that Americans are racist, so it must be true.

 

[thebigt]

newsome blamed global warming for fires on west coast...

'authorities arrest 4 in connection to possible arson, fires along west coast'

another democrat lie lie lie....they were mostly peaceful fires!!!

 

[thebigt]

Well, I guess that Facebook has determined that Americans are racist, so it must be true.

don't forget tik tok!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

Why is there too many Maori and Polynesian is your prison system? Did they break the law? Or they were literally thrown in their because of their ethnicity?

The justice system has generally favored prison for Maori and Polynesian offenders. I think you'll find this is reasonably standard, albeit disgraceful, for any colonized country.

It's a topic I care a bit about. Equal justice for all.

 

[Ricky10]

newsome blamed global warming for fires on west coast...

'authorities arrest 4 in connection to possible arson, fires along west coast'

another democrat lie lie lie....they were mostly peaceful fires!!!

A baby gender reveal party recently destroyed 7,000 acres of land in southern California. Seems like an overkill means to reveal the what’s in between your childs legs. I guess I’m a bit old fashioned though..

I support law enforcement rather than criminals, so I guess my days of being hip are behind me..