What are real world results? Androgens should list aprox amount of lean muscle tissue gained in trained athletes? What the fuark are you talking about dude? Seriously what are you on. These are pharmaceutical drug androgenic anabolic ratios documented by a pharmaceutical drug company. Go away dude
When you look at studies for AAS or anything, you want to find them used on the population that it would apply to. For us, we would want to see studies of AAS on weight trained males. And yes, some of those studies do exist. But,
we don't have studies for any of the drugs you mentioned. I'll try to explain this simply because I can tell you're having trouble following.
The book Androgens and Anabolic Agents by Julius Vida (which I'm going to refer to as the Vida book further) was looking at rats. Rats are good for the very first animal study when you're testing a new drug, but you can't compare a rat to a human being. Obviously, right? But not only that, these studies were in vitro - meaning they removed two organs from the rats, injecting them with the substance, and then looked to determine how much of the steroid bound to the androgen receptors in these two organs.
The first organ they tested was the levator ani. This is a tiny organ inside your pelvis that has loads of androgen receptors in it, more androgen receptors than are found in skeletal muscle (e.g.: biceps, hamstrings, calves, triceps,etc).
The levator ani is a broad, thin muscle group, situated on either side of the pelvis. It is formed from three muscle components: the pubococcygeus, the iliococcygeus, and the puborectalis.
This is a picture of the levator ani to show you how small the organ actually is and the extremely minimal functional use it has in the body, esp. in terms of helping us determine whether a steroid is "strong" or not.
This article covers the anatomy of the levator ani, including origins and insertions, functions and innervation. Learn more about this topic at Kenhub!
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The second organ they tested outside of the rat's body was it's prostate. I'm sure you know what a prostate is, but again, it is a very small organ that has a lot of androgen receptors (which is why prostate cancer can be caused by increased androgens and people who have enlarged prostate or prostate cancers are put on anti-androgen or anti-DHT/DHT reducing medications). So, again, because the prostate is so high in androgen receptors, it's usefulness as a tool to tell us whether these same AAS are beneficial in skeletal muscle is limited.
Here's an overview of the prostate if you want to learn more about it:
www.kenhub.com
Does that make sense? These were not studies where they took men who have been working out for years and put them on a AAS to see what the benefits were - some of those studies do exist, and I'll show you an example to demonstrate. This one isn't in weight trained males, but it's just an example.
Single doses of 150 mg each of five different testosterone and nor-testosterone derivatives were given to four normal male subjects and urinary excret…
www.sciencedirect.com
Here's an overview of what type of studies there are, what the difference is, and a good explanation to get a fundamental understanding on it.
The irony is fuarking real world results are documented in the hundreds of accounts here on hundreds of threads from people who are trained athletes taking these compound right here are anabolic minds forum. You're a strange fellow starscream66
Again, you're conflating two different things. Anecdotal reports and actual studies. Because,
as we've already established, there have never been real world studies on any of these new designer steroids or prohormones we can
ONLY use anecdotal evidence to look at whether or not they work, how well they work, what the sides are, etc. With SARMs we have some real world data we can look at, but none of the DS/PHs.
The point I'm trying to make is that you're claiming there are studies on these DS/PHs and I am telling you no, there are not.
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