trest, winstrol, and epi andro come to mind... but yea EQ makes a horse run fast, but i dont know how you would survive the hunger through the day.. u got to be careful of the overall doses as well. too much of anything can make you lethargic. have you ever tried the epiandro? its a pretty energetic phermone. and its legal. even if you never had luck with the andros before, the topicals companies make today are super effective and release slowly into the body so maybe that would be ideal.