Donald Trump running for president

Jiigzz said:
No, definitely not converted. Its relative though, because currency fluctuates a lot between US and NZ.

Our living wage is $21(?), so we are incrementally working towards that. $18.75 isnt bad, but it's not great.

What's the living wage (minimum amount required to survive within your own means) in the US?
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bernie sanders wanted $15 minimum wage for every worker in the USA---except for his campaign workers...the hypocrite was busted for not paying his own workers even close to $15---can you say do as i say not as i do, lol...freaking hypocrites!!!
 
nostrum420 said:
Ok... is that to say Trump represents all Republicans because he is president?
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i call trump out when i disagree with him...since you are not calling out harris am i to assume you are agreeing with her?
 
thebigt said:
bernie sanders wanted $15 minimum wage for every worker in the USA---except for his campaign workers...the hypocrite was busted for not paying his own workers even close to $15---can you say do as i say not as i do, lol...freaking hypocrites!!!
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They salaried them at would have been $15/hr based on a 40hr work week. When they complained they were working OT, he bumped up the pay. Even if you divide it out with the unpaid OT they were getting at least 13, which is nothing to sneeze at for this kind of work but again, it did get bumped up.

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nostrum420 said:
Did we talk about her during the primaries? If we did, I'm sure I mentioned my criticisms of her.
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i did not hear you comment on her coming after trump supporters and hunting them down?

whatcha say, yea or nay?
 
C'mon @manifesto you need to post that kamal harris coming after trump supporters meme again.

everyone needs to see what she really stands for behind those betty davis eyes.
 
nostrum420 said:
I don't dive into fact checking every meme. I mean I already don't like her but lemme see...
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just answer the question, do you agree with her about coming after trump supporters and hunting them down?
 
Here is the the schedule that was leaked, there is alot of "executive time" on it, but that doesnt mean he spend all this time watching Fox and Friends and throwing popcorn that The View.

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nostrum420 said:
I just want you to answer the question I asked that lead us down this road, while I look into it.
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what is there to look into--either you agree about coming after trump supporters and hunting them down or you don't...which is it going to be?
 
Inb4 the AP is fake news buuuut:

CLAIM: Kamala Harris, a U.S. senator and former Democratic presidential candidate from California, said on June 18 that once President Trump is no longer in office “and we have regained our rightful place in the White House,” his supporters will feel the “vengeance of a nation.”

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. This fabricated quote originated with a satirical article in 2019 and is now being shared out of context. There is no evidence Harris ever said this.

THE FACTS: A quote from a satirical article posted on the website Bustatroll.org in August 2019 is making the rounds again — but this time, people are sharing it as true.


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'florida woman shoots, kills man trying to break into her home'
 
HIT4ME said:
First off, the notifications on this site have become horrible. Useless. I checked in and was reading new posts to realize I was 9 pages back!

Oh well. I am sure what I had to say would have been life changing for everyone involved...haha.



Minimum wage, with minimal understanding of economics, can be seen to hurt employees and help corporations. There is NO situation that people think it is good for sellers of a product (in this case, employees selling labor) to have a known, agreed upon price.

Sure, this is supposed to be a minimum price, but it doesn't work that way. McDonald's and Burgerking don't have to compete for labor - they know what the other is paying and if someone wants more they know they can replace them with another worker and that that person cannot go elsewhere and get more. Minimum wage tips the leverage in the favor of the employee. It is insidious and abuses poor people.



You are applying macro economic theory to microeconomics situations here. If you have to pay employees $20/hour and they can make 2 products in that hour, and the other costs of making those 2 products is $30 - you really cannot be selling that product for $25 each no matter how much more your employees are buying from you. And if you want or have to pay them $21 an hour, you will go out of business not raising prices. If you don't and you double your sales, you will just go under faster.

If you want to take a macro look, then you realize employee wages are THE factor to watch for in regard to inflation. THIS is why the fed controls interest rates.

If we have a literal 100% employment, theoretically, and an employee demands a wage increase - you have no choice but to give it to him/her because you have no one to replace them with. Everyone else has jobs. Soon everyone realizes this and demands more and more and prices have to go up and up to compensate. This is how you get runaway inflation and the feds manipulate the interest rate to increase the cost of debt, and ultimately unemploy some people to keep a pool available. Employee costs are well known to drive inflation.



Really? But, but, but then big corporations will take advantage and pay people less....

oh, wait...what, we have an example if what you said? How did that work out?

See below...

*(obvious sarcastic post)



A real world example of the economic theory I laid out above in play. Funny that without a minimum wage, the employees are making more, huh?
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It's funny because the minimum wage increases has been the only thing keeping NZ employers in check. A lot of companies refuse to pay more than what they need to.

To be fair though, there are a few other issues that it brings up. Like what you've touched on. Also, a McDs worker earns 18.75 and someone with a qualification working in a small practice might get the same rate.
 
nostrum420 said:
Right I can't criticize Trump because I don't have his experience in business like how you can't criticize Hillary, Obama or Biden because you don't have their experience in politics.
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Actually most of the country share the same political experience with Obama, Hillary and Biden....neither has done anything worthwhile while in politics. However, death row inmates, share most of Hilary’s experience.
 
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nostrum420 said:
Inb4 the AP is fake news buuuut:

CLAIM: Kamala Harris, a U.S. senator and former Democratic presidential candidate from California, said on June 18 that once President Trump is no longer in office “and we have regained our rightful place in the White House,” his supporters will feel the “vengeance of a nation.”

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. This fabricated quote originated with a satirical article in 2019 and is now being shared out of context. There is no evidence Harris ever said this.

THE FACTS: A quote from a satirical article posted on the website Bustatroll.org in August 2019 is making the rounds again — but this time, people are sharing it as true.


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you still did not answer the question...do you agree about coming after trump supporters and hunting them down?

i don't believe you are that mean spirited and evil, but i truly believe their are many on your side of the aisle that are...i still remember lois lerner and peter strzok/lisa page.
 
thebigt said:
you still did not answer the question...do you agree about coming after trump supporters and hunting them down?

i don't believe you are that mean spirited and evil, but i truly believe their are many on your side of the aisle that are...i still remember lois lerner and peter strzok/lisa page.
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Do I disagree with the comment that she never made? Yeah, I am, in general, against people being hunted down.
 
'new zealand mosque mass shooter to speak at sentencing trial--but what he says will be censored'

this animal killed those people in the name of white supremacy. i condemn what this animal did with every fiber of my body, mind and soul.
 
thebigt said:
you still did not answer the question...do you agree about coming after trump supporters and hunting them down?

i don't believe you are that mean spirited and evil, but i truly believe their are many on your side of the aisle that are...i still remember lois lerner and peter strzok/lisa page.
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You still did not answer my question, either btw.
 
thebigt said:
geez, give me a break-it took me 2 pages to get you to say you are against people being hunted down.

repeat please
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I wanted the actual quote which is apparently fake. It's called due diligence.

My question, restated:

You claimed Kamala represents all Democrats, with that in mind, is there one person who, in the same fashion represents all Conservatives?
 
nostrum420 said:
I wanted the actual quote which is apparently fake. It's called due diligence.

My question, restated:

You claimed Kamala represents all Democrats, with that in mind, is there one person who, in the same fashion represents all Conservatives?
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i wish i could say that i represent ALL conservatives, but unfortunately there are many on either side of my views...

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but i am not nominated for vice president of the US
 
thebigt said:
i wish i could say that i represent ALL conservatives, but unfortunately there are many on either side of my views...

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but i am not nominated for vice president of the US
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That first part made me chuckle.

A follow-up, if I may; why do you think the left is so much more homogeneous in their positions?
 
nostrum420 said:
That first part made me chuckle.

A follow-up, if I may; why do you think the left is so much more homogeneous in their positions?
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hate is a great unifier...why do you think the left is so full of hate?
 
thebigt said:
hate is a great unifier...why do you think the left is so full of hate?
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Umm, I think there's PLENTY of hate on the right too. It's two sides of the same coin; both think the other side wants to change their way of life.

To more directly answer your question, on the left, I think it largely stems from fear of a return to a time when certain groups were pretty horrifically oppressed.
 
'trump to reveal coronavirus 'breakthrough' therapeutic, wh press secretary says'

fractionated convalescent plasma?
 
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nostrum420 said:
Umm, I think there's PLENTY of hate on the right too. It's two sides of the same coin; both think the other side wants to change their way of life.

To more directly answer your question, on the left, I think it largely stems from fear of a return to a time when certain groups were pretty horrifically oppressed.
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you have personally lived trough those horrific times?

i was 10 when mlk was assasinated, rfk made the announcement of mlk's death in indianapolis. kennedy called for peace instead of hatred, many attribute kennedy's words for the peaceful demonstrations in indianapolis versus the violent riots that erupted in every city but indianapolis.
 
kinda weird watching indy 500 with no fans in stands...as a kid i used to go every year-back in the snake-pit days, wow what a party, beer and pot and titties everywhere, lol.
 
my wife and i actually met tony kanaan and his wife at a restaraunt in indy several years ago, really nice people---we have been big fans every since even though i would love to see marco win a 500. i remember mario from back in the day, was happy when he finally won it. foyt was the man though!!!
 
thebigt said:
you have personally lived trough those horrific times?

i was 10 when mlk was assasinated, rfk made the announcement of mlk's death in indianapolis. kennedy called for peace instead of hatred, many attribute kennedy's words for the peaceful demonstrations in indianapolis versus the violent riots that erupted in every city but indianapolis.
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it's a shame there are no democrat leaders today like RFK pleading for peaceful demonstrations and a end to the violence.
 
thebigt said:
it's a shame there are no democrat leaders today like RFK pleading for peaceful demonstrations and a end to the violence.
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They will be persecuted, even Jesse Jackson spoke out in Chicago against the looting and they demonized him.

Caramel Fatriss 5 years ago would have loved to give every looter 20 years to life, but now she is playing the political cards.
 
thebigt said:
it's a shame there are no democrat leaders today like RFK pleading for peaceful demonstrations and a end to the violence.
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They have no way of pulling back to center after going all in on abortion and all in on anyone that is not a democrat is a racist. So how can they possibly call for peace with that messaging where they will never be able to pull in core republicans and evangelicals? For now the rioters and protestors are useful idiots to fan the flames of hate until the election. Since democrats are voters that vote based on feelings, this works in their favor.
 
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