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You can bulletproof a regular SUV and that sends a waaaaaaaaay better message to the community than rolling through in an APC.
 
Last but not least, to the 2a all the way crowd, if the government does become tyrannical, who do you think you'll be shooting at?
 
dixonk said:
Again. It’s a vehicle. It’s not arms. It’s armored. Big difference. In Oklahoma there are civilians running around in even tougher looking trucks lol. I want police officers to be safe. I’m related to a few of them around here. If having a tank is what they need to get home to their wife and kids at night then so be it. Hell put some lights on them and make them patrol cars for all I care. Don’t want armored up cops and interactions with them? Stop being a fucking criminal. Too easy.
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Was Atianna Jefferson a criminal?
Stephan Clark?
Botham Jean?
Phillando Castille?

bUt StOp BeInG a CrImInAl
 
nostrum420 said:
You can bulletproof a regular SUV and that sends a waaaaaaaaay better message to the community than rolling through in an APC.
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Exactly.

100% this. So many other tools in the toolshed.
 
nostrum420 said:
Aren't the police supposed to be the ones DOING the protecting?
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Exactly this.

If a cop has a tank, I dont think he cares about your protection.

It's a job - a job known for inherent risks dealing with unstable people. However you are there not for your own protection, but either for theirs or someone else's. If you need a tank to police, you aren't policing.
 
Jiigzz said:
Was Atianna Jefferson a criminal?
Stephan Clark?
Botham Jean?
Phillando Castille?

bUt StOp BeInG a CrImInAl
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Lol. 4 examples. There is no solution to eliminate mistakes, bad apples, and occasional stupid decisions. Nothing. It starts with people not being world class assholes to eliminate police interactions. Until such time I will not blame police for taking defensive measures to protect themselves while trying to carry out their duty in a world filled with **** for brain deviants that can’t find a way to be a functioning member of society.
 
dixonk said:
Lol. 4 examples. There is no solution to eliminate mistakes, bad apples, and occasional stupid decisions. Nothing. It starts with people not being world class assholes to eliminate police interactions. Until such time I will not blame police for taking defensive measures to protect themselves while trying to carry out their duty in a world filled with **** for brain deviants that can’t find a way to be a functioning member of society.
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I used 7 examples. I'm sure glad those officers got to go home, considering they just took 7 lives from people who weren't even a threat.

And those were from a very very quick google search.
 
dixonk said:
Lol. 4 examples. There is no solution to eliminate mistakes, bad apples, and occasional stupid decisions. Nothing. It starts with people not being world class assholes to eliminate police interactions. Until such time I will not blame police for taking defensive measures to protect themselves while trying to carry out their duty in a world filled with **** for brain deviants that can’t find a way to be a functioning member of society.
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I was a cop for years, and still work in law enforcement. Guess how many people I've killed.

None.

Guess how many people have threatened me?

If I wasn't threatened at least a few times a day, I'd go home thinking that was a pretty successful day.

I once had a guy pull a knife on me and by the end of our interaction we were both sitting down laughing. Didn't shoot him
 
Jiigzz said:
I was a cop for years, and still work in law enforcement. Guess how many people I've killed.

None
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I know this has been put out there a time or two. You. Are. In. New Zealand. That’s good for you and any police officer should be proud and thankful to have never had to discharge his/her weapon in the line of duty.
 
dixonk said:
I know this has been put out there a time or two. You. Are. In. New Zealand. That’s good for you and any police officer should be proud and thankful to have never had to discharge his/her weapon in the line of duty.
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You say that like we dont have guns here or violent criminals.

Not true at all. You're not the only country with crime.
 
Jiigzz said:
You say that like we dont have guns here or violent criminals.

Not true at all. You're not the only country with crime.
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Not to scale you don’t. Or your police aren’t as proactive? How should I know? All I know is our cities are filled with stupid assholes that refuse to be a functioning part of our society. I wish I had the answer for that because I can’t seem to get my mindset to their level. The solution to the problem will be figuring out how to convince people that being a thug is not cool.
 
dixonk said:
Not to scale you don’t. Or your police aren’t as proactive? How should I know? All I know is our cities are filled with stupid assholes that refuse to be a functioning part of our society. I wish I had the answer for that because I can’t seem to get my mindset to their level. The solution to the problem will be figuring out how to convince people that being a thug is not cool.
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All cities have people like that. You're not an exception to that.
 
thebigt said:
crazy aint it when the ones supposed to be protecting law abiding citizens aren't even allowed to protect themselves.
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There's protecting yourself and there's using military equipment to intimidate the people you're supposed to be protecting.
 
nostrum420 said:
There's protecting yourself and there's using military equipment to intimidate the people you're supposed to be protecting.
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lol...intimidate, yeah right. you seen the shyt happening in portland and seatle?
 
thebigt said:
crazy aint it when the ones supposed to be protecting law abiding citizens aren't even allowed to protect themselves.
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There's a whole subset of people who dont feel like the police are protecting them, and instead persecuting them.

I feel the police protect me. I know a lot of people who trust and respect the police. I do. But I also accept some people have been let down by police.

When you trust police, you see police as helpers. But when you are constantly targeted by them, you lose that trust. So depending on where you sit will depend on whether the armoured vehicles are seen as protection for police, or as highly armed units designed to persecute you even more.

Sometimes you just have to talk to people who are constantly harassed to understand why this is such a big issue for them. It might be trivial for you- but everyone has different experiences and a lot of them are not positive
 
Jiigzz said:
There's a whole subset of people who dont feel like the police are protecting them, and instead persecuting them.

I feel the police protect me. I know a lot of people who trust and respect the police. I do. But I also accept some people have been let down by police.

When you trust police, you see police as helpers. But when you are constantly targeted by them, you lose that trust. So depending on where you sit will depend on whether the armoured vehicles are seen as protection for police, or as highly armed units designed to persecute you even more.

Sometimes you just have to talk to people who are constantly harassed to understand why this is such a big issue for them. It might be trivial for you- but everyone has different experiences and a lot of them are not positive
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Why are they constantly being harassed?
 
Jiigzz said:
There's a whole subset of people who dont feel like the police are protecting them, and instead persecuting them.

I feel the police protect me. I know a lot of people who trust and respect the police. I do. But I also accept some people have been let down by police.

When you trust police, you see police as helpers. But when you are constantly targeted by them, you lose that trust. So depending on where you sit will depend on whether the armoured vehicles are seen as protection for police, or as highly armed units designed to persecute you even more.

Sometimes you just have to talk to people who are constantly harassed to understand why this is such a big issue for them. It might be trivial for you- but everyone has different experiences and a lot of them are not positive
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subset....you mean looters or rioters, or both?
 
dixonk said:
Why are they constantly being harassed?
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For any reason anyone can find. A friend of mine got pulled over for driving his car and the cop literally said "your profile didn't match the kind of person who'd drive this kind of car".

Stuff like that happens a lot
 
thebigt said:
subset....you mean looters or rioters, or both?
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That's not the norm though.

Also, there are more than a few rumours stating that riots had been started by people wanting to devalue the BLM message.
 
Jiigzz said:
It is armoured, but yeah you know best for sure.

It's funny to see the people who stand behind the 2a the most, are the same who want their police having old military equipment lol
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A Lenco Bear Cat is not old military equipment. Most agencies that get old APC don’t even get to use them because they don’t have much life left in them.
 
Jiigzz said:
It is armoured, but yeah you know best for sure.

It's funny to see the people who stand behind the 2a the most, are the same who want their police having old military equipment lol
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A Lenco Bear Cat is not old military equipment. Most agencies that get old APC don’t even get to use them because they don’t have much life left in them.
 
Jiigzz said:
That's not the norm though.

Also, there are more than a few rumours stating that riots had been started by people wanting to devalue the BLM message.
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lol...blm doesn't need any help devaluing their message....i thought loot and riot was their message?
 
Jiigzz said:
The top one, fine. I'm not so sure that an APC is reaaaallllyyyyy needed though. Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
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My agency has a Lenco Bear Cat. Yes Lenco makes them for DOD and law enforcement. But this is what it comes down to. The US has some violent MF’ers and when they decide to go ballistic, SWAT is called. And if a small LE agency can’t afford a Bear Cat, and an old APC is all they can get their hands on, then so be it. You know why? Because bullets being shot at you don’t penetrate armor.
 
Jiigzz said:
For any reason anyone can find. A friend of mine got pulled over for driving his car and the cop literally said "your profile didn't match the kind of person who'd drive this kind of car".

Stuff like that happens a lot
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Yeah I call BS on this one. They still need PC to pull someone over and they do have cameras in the cars that are filming. But I have a friend stories are usually pretty good, along with fishing stories.
 
thebigt said:
wonder when cops are going to get pissed off about people killing cops?
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When are firefighters gonna get pissed about having to go into fires? When are lifeguards gonna get pissed about having to put themselves at risk of drowning?

There are these things called job descriptions.
 
Jiigzz said:
That's not the norm though.

Also, there are more than a few rumours stating that riots had been started by people wanting to devalue the BLM message.
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The BLM message? You mean their Marxist agenda...mmk
 
nostrum420 said:
When are firefighters gonna get pissed about having to go into fires? When are lifeguards gonna get pissed about having to put themselves at risk of drowning?

There are these things called job descriptions.
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Getting killed is in the job description of a policeman? Wow....didnt know that
 
dixonk said:
Imagine a world where people went to work, cared about their families, kept their area clean and contributed to the community...oh and stopped being friggin criminals. Boohoo.
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Now imagine when people do screw up they don't up dead for something like passing a counterfeit bill. Too much to ask from our boys in blue, I guess.
 
nostrum420 said:
Now imagine when people do screw up they don't up dead for something like passing a counterfeit bill. Too much to ask from our boys in blue, I guess.
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If you don’t pass a counterfeit bill you won’t have to worried about getting killed by a cop, probably because you won’t have an interaction with a cop. What part of don’t commit crime, don’t have interactions with cops is difficult to comprehend?
 
dixonk said:
If you don’t pass a counterfeit bill you won’t have to worried about getting killed by a cop, probably because you won’t have an interaction with a cop. What part of don’t commit crime, don’t have interactions with cops is difficult to comprehend?
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So, be perfect or your life is forfeit?
 
nostrum420 said:
So, be perfect or your life is forfeit?
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It sure as hell lessens your chance. I in no way condone what the office did to George Floyd but if anyone of any color didn’t commit a crime and was respectful and cooperative when coming in contact with LEO’s then everything would be fine.
 
Jiigzz said:
Serious question, is police being heavily armed more important to you than creating social change? Do you prefer police operate by show of force, or do you prefer cops who are more community focused?
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If prefer giving the tax payer their money back and especially keeping the government far away from their disastrous social engineering projects.

Im not a "big police" guy, but I do I love and respect them. I gotta say these gangs in the city dont give a crap about community focused police, they rather buy them out or put a bullet in their heads if they get in their way. Its serious.
 
Jiigzz said:
If the majority of funds is directed into new tactical equipment, what message do you think you are sending? That you are a cop for the people?
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The message starts off wrong when they steal the fruits of our labor in the first place. This isnt a policing issue, they are robbed by the same IRS thugs too.
 
nostrum420 said:
Last but not least, to the 2a all the way crowd, if the government does become tyrannical, who do you think you'll be shooting at?
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All those armored vehicles didnt do jack to win a war agaisnt hairy cavemen in Afghanistan after 19 years so no big deal here.
 
Jiigzz said:
I was a cop for years, and still work in law enforcement. Guess how many people I've killed.

None.

Guess how many people have threatened me?

If I wasn't threatened at least a few times a day, I'd go home thinking that was a pretty successful day.

I once had a guy pull a knife on me and by the end of our interaction we were both sitting down laughing. Didn't shoot him
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If you were a cop in Harlem or even small upstate crackholes like Newburgh NY I think you may have a different story to tell.
 
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Jiigzz said:
Sometimes you just have to talk to people who are constantly harassed to understand why this is such a big issue for them. It might be trivial for you- but everyone has different experiences and a lot of them are not positive
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We are a large county with 300 million people and out of control illegal immigration with a lawless corrupt government who run drug rings and hand out guns to cartels they can control. They are going to push many stories as if this was all that was going on in our country, and then when you look at many of these cases you have scumbag criminals who just robbed a store and threatened a cop get shot and people call and cry racist. Its a crazy mess. Of course unjustified incidents out of millions of encounters surely occur.
 
thebigt said:
wonder when cops are going to get pissed off about people killing cops?
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Where is all the outrage of regular Americans killing Americans? Thats far more likely than being killed by a cop, and if your not an azzhole chances of being killed by a cop is almost impossible.
 
sammpedd88 said:
It sure as hell lessens your chance. I in no way condone what the office did to George Floyd but if anyone of any color didn’t commit a crime and was respectful and cooperative when coming in contact with LEO’s then everything would be fine.
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I was all on that and then Atlanta happened and that really took the steam out of everything for me. Still support justice form and reforms in the policing system but thats because I always had.
 
ax1 said:
I was all on that and then Atlanta happened and that really took the steam out of everything for me. Still support justice form and reforms in the policing system but thats because I always had.
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So you don’t think the officer in Atlanta was justified to use deadly force?
 
sammpedd88 said:
If someone pulled a knife on him in a crackhole in the US he wouldn’t have a story to tell.
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Yeah I heard alot of stories, I used to take martial arts with police officers and military. My instructor was a homicide detective and studied blood splatter, there were a number of stories of police including himself getting jumped on by multiple people simply walking the street. Its a crazy world out there.
 
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