Pick my orals...

[saderboy80]

So what dosage you gonna run it

Comes in 60caps 20mg/cap.

So will try out 40mg

 

[Renew1]

Comes in 60caps 20mg/cap.

So will try out 40mg

You might consider trying it at 20mg first.

 

[Smont]

Comes in 60caps 20mg/cap.

So will try out 40mg

Just a heads up, I've seen lots of guys start at 10mg a day. If there pills I'd get a pill cutter, $5 at wall mart. Start with 20. But I'm not saying dont go up to 40. I personally need high doses of orals for some reason, I've done m1a at 90 which most think is stupid high so I wont talk you out of bumping up doses. But I always like to find the lowest effective dose for things before I start climbing up

 

[saderboy80]

You might consider trying it at 20mg first.

Will do, just meant I’m not afraid of going up to 40m. if 20mg works with no sides all keep there.

 

[saderboy80]

Just a heads up, I've seen lots of guys start at 10mg a day. If there pills I'd get a pill cutter, $5 at wall mart. Start with 20. But I'm not saying dont go up to 40. I personally need high doses of orals for some reason, I've done m1a at 90 which most think is stupid high so I wont talk you out of bumping up doses. But I always like to find the lowest effective dose for things before I start climbing up

I have a pill cutter, but I think they are capsules. Yeah I typically respond to higher doses too.

 

[saderboy80]

What are your thoughts on adding EQ 500mg/week?

 

[mixedup]

What are your thoughts on adding EQ 500mg/week?

How long will you run the eq

 

[CroLifter]

Surprised to see epistane get some love over here. Mostly people sh1t on it on aas boards.

Seems to be harsh on cholesterol and joints similar to winstrol.

60mg is a veryh high dose from what i have seen, on top of m1t damn man.

 

[Jinsun]

Seems to be harsh on cholesterol and joints similar to winstrol.

Yeah, wouldnt it be better off combined with deca due to this reason ...?

 

[Smont]

What are your thoughts on adding EQ 500mg/week?

I like eq but I wouldn't use it less then 12 weeks, 16 would be even better. You could front load 1500mg if that's your thing and continue with 500 if your going shorter then 16, front loading I don't personally find useful but some ppl swear by it.

 

[CroLifter]

Yeah, wouldnt it be better off combined with deca due to this reason ...?

In my opinion, deca is very hard to use for us cyclers, just too fkin long acting. I dont want to use sth that will produce metabolites for 3 more months and hinder recovery.

Some npp yeah


But like i said, i would be very careful when running either. Dht, c17aa... terrible for the lipids.

Take your omega 3s hahahahahhah

 

[saderboy80]

In my opinion, deca is very hard to use for us cyclers, just too fkin long acting. I dont want to use sth that will produce metabolites for 3 more months and hinder recovery.

Some npp yeah


But like i said, i would be very careful when running either. Dht, c17aa... terrible for the lipids.

Take your omega 3s hahahahahhah

I take my Omega-3’s, coq10, resveratrol and red rice yeast

 

[saderboy80]

Starting to think maybe I’ll just run test E 12 weeks.
No EQ
No Deca
No trest

 

[Smont]

Starting to think maybe I’ll just run test E 12 weeks.
No EQ
No Deca
No trest

Nothing wrong with that

 

[Jinsun]

Starting to think maybe I’ll just run test E 12 weeks.
No EQ
No Deca
No trest

Add primo. Imo just test cycles are not really worth it getting shutdown. Add tbol.

 

[Smont]

Starting to think maybe I’ll just run test E 12 weeks.
No EQ
No Deca
No trest

Nothing wrong with that

Add primo. Imo just test cycles are not really worth it getting shutdown. Add tbol.

Hes using m1t

 

[Jinsun]

Nothing wrong with that

Hes using m1t

Oh, I understood he meant an T only cycle.

 

[New guy]

Oh, I understood he meant an T only cycle.

Understandable, I think he meant test as the only injectable/base.

 

[Smont]

Oh, I understood he meant an T only cycle.

I might be wrong but he listed his plan with the orals, then talked about what injectable to use other then test, then said test but not the other injectables he listed. So I would assume hes going to ditch the other injectables, and only use test with the orals he played out before

 

[CroLifter]

Add primo. Imo just test cycles are not really worth it getting shutdown. Add tbol.

Depends. Great gains can be made on test only.

However yes of course its better to stack more tissue selective compounds and use a lower dose of test, but if someone wants to keep it simple nothing wrong with going with T.


We can argue that stacking more tissue selective co pounds is healthier for the body, but T only guys can argue that they are using bioidentical hormone etc etc

Both standpoints have their pros and cons.

 

[saderboy80]

I might be wrong but he listed his plan with the orals, then talked about what injectable to use other then test, then said test but not the other injectables he listed. So I would assume hes going to ditch the other injectables, and only use test with the orals he played out before

Test E 500mg 1-12weeks
M1T 20mg 1-4weeks (May jump up if sides aren’t bad!)
Epistane 60mg 9-12wks
Anavar 50mg 9-12wks

 

[saderboy80]

Add primo. Imo just test cycles are not really worth it getting shutdown. Add tbol.

So test, primo, M1T, epistane and anavar? Or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[Jinsun]

So test, primo, M1T, epistane and anavar? Or am I misunderstanding you?

No, I just meant test, primo, tbol. Imo your cycle is a bit harsh on the digestion tract and liver, I personally wouldn't run it, but if you respond ok to such amounts of orals then go ahead.

 

[saderboy80]

No, I just meant test, primo, tbol. Imo your cycle is a bit harsh on the digestion tract and liver, I personally wouldn't run it, but if you respond ok to such amounts of orals then go ahead.

What’s your opinion on running NPP or masteron alongside the Test?

And yes I am aware they will have complete opposite results.

 

[Mathb33]

You’ll be disapointed by m1t. SD would’ve been a far superior choice when it comes to building real lean tissues. If overall size and strength was a main priority, for a competition let’s say, m1t would’ve been a great choice.

 

[Jinsun]

What’s your opinion on running NPP or masteron alongside the Test?

And yes I am aware they will have complete opposite results.

Imo, 19nor's are for people who bc. So I'm against it. Masteron, it's better then nothing, but it's literally the most androgenic thing you can take and if your plan is solely hypertophy, it makes little to no sense compared to other aas. Again, take primo or dhb. If you discount 19nor's and EQ, there really isn't much choice.

 

[saderboy80]

Imo, 19nor's are for people who bc. So I'm against it. Masteron, it's better then nothing, but it's literally the most androgenic thing you can take and if your plan is solely hypertophy, it makes little to no sense compared to other aas. Again, take primo or dhb. If you discount 19nor's and EQ, there really isn't much choice.

The primo prices are crazy, can’t seem to find a source for them?
What’s DHB?
Dihydro-boldenone?

 

[saderboy80]

You’ll be disapointed by m1t. SD would’ve been a far superior choice when it comes to building real lean tissues. If overall size and strength was a main priority, for a competition let’s say, m1t would’ve been a great choice.

Have you ran both?

 

[Mathb33]

Have you ran both?

SD of course, haven’t ran m1t because I don’t see why a bodybuilder would use this drug. I’ve seen many friends, many people in my private groups run it and at the end of the day it was mostly getting big, full of water. Once all of that was gone not that much muscle was actually built. Not more than any other strong oral would.

 

[saderboy80]

I’m still going to try it out and see what happens!! If it’s too harsh, I have a bottle of superdrol to switch to.

 

[Mathb33]

I’m still going to try it out and see what happens!! If it’s too harsh, I have a bottle of superdrol to switch to.

Log it then! Not enough log about it here

 

[saderboy80]

Log it then! Not enough log about it here

Not a bad idea!

 

[Jinsun]

The primo prices are crazy, can’t seem to find a source for them?
What’s DHB?
Dihydro-boldenone?

Yes.

 

[Pl4typu5]

The primo prices are crazy, can’t seem to find a source for them?
What’s DHB?
Dihydro-boldenone?

Primo is a beautiful drug but yeah very expensive. Dhb is apparently hell in a bottle regarding pip, always wanted to try it but I can’t risk being crippled with pip in my job.

 

[Jinsun]

Primo is not that expensive. It's 40 - 50e 100mg/ml. Only the big mainstream ugls sell it for 70 - 80e per vial. If you look at raws, then yeah, it's a lot more expensive then other powders. But with premade vials, ugls know they wont make that much money off of it. It's more the fact that you have to have a wide arange of assortement so that buyers wont go somewhere else and buy stuff for the whole cycle there.

I'm just explaining this for those who would comment that primo for 40 - 50e is surely fake - which is not, if you know your ugl ...

 

[Jinsun]

granted, if you want to dose primo at 600mg a week, then yeah, that's still 100e, or more, per month, which is 300 per cycle.

 

[CroLifter]

Imo, 19nor's are for people who bc. So I'm against it. Masteron, it's better then nothing, but it's literally the most androgenic thing you can take and if your plan is solely hypertophy, it makes little to no sense compared to other aas. Again, take primo or dhb. If you discount 19nor's and EQ, there really isn't much choice.

I second this, masteron is useless, from my experience at least.

Other than that i dont think you can go wrong with test, npp and dbol if you re going for all out mass.

But i will let people here guide youa s they have more experience with those compounds than me.

@Mathb33 loves his npp


What i can advise, however, is to include mk677 in your bulk. It will boost appettite plus you are also hitting the gh/igf pathway for some additional gains.

 

[Jinsun]

Other than that i dont think you can go wrong with test, npp and dbol if you re going for all out mass.

He cycles. He isn't on trt as you and math are ...

 

[Mathb33]

He cycles. He isn't on trt as you and math are ...

I’m on your side about avoiding things like deca, trest and these type of compounds if recovery is a priority but npp clears your system in about 5-7 days TOPs. Plus you only need to cycle it 7-9 weeks maximum. I really can’t say that for SURE because I don’t pct but I feel like recovery from NPP must be smooth? Just discussing right now.

 

[CroLifter]

He cycles. He isn't on trt as you and math are ...

I am not on trt.

But I think npp and tren a are exceptions as they are so fact acting and clearing.

Deca I would never recommend to someone who is not on trt.



I have been on gear (mainly 100mg a week) from early March through November last year and still recovered to my sh1ttypre cycle levels, even hit 500 ng/dl in pct whereas natty I was in the high 300s

I just blasted hcg 1000 iu a week for 8 weeks before coming off.

 

[Jinsun]

I’m on your side about avoiding things like deca, trest and these type of compounds if recovery is a priority but npp clears your system in about 5-7 days TOPs. Plus you only need to cycle it 7-9 weeks maximum. I really can’t say that for SURE because I don’t pct but I feel like recovery from NPP must be smooth? Just discussing right now.

It wasn't for me and I think it isn't for most. Isn't recovery from 19nor's in general considered to be much tougher then from dht's and test derivatives? And I'm not aiming to ester length here, just the way that 19nor's shutdown is much harder then other aas. Isn't it commonly touted that using 19nor's is an express way to trt ...

 

[CroLifter]

It wasn't for me and I think it isn't for most. Isn't recovery from 19nor's in general considered to be much tougher then from dht's and test derivatives? And I'm not aiming to ester length here, just the way that 19nor's shutdown is much harder then other aas. Isn't it commonly touted that using 19nor's is an express way to trt ...

Perhaps it is.

I guesi will find out soon.


I think it's due to progestagenic activity and higher receptor binding affinity.

@Jinsun didn't you drop npp pretty quickly due to sides? What dose were you running?

 

[Jinsun]

Perhaps it is.

I guesi will find out soon.


I think it's due to progestagenic activity and higher receptor binding affinity.

@Jinsun didn't you drop npp pretty quickly due to sides? What dose were you running?

Yes, I lasted 3 weeks app, I think. Dose app 250. Cycle length was 8 weeks.

 

[saderboy80]

Primo is not that expensive. It's 40 - 50e 100mg/ml. Only the big mainstream ugls sell it for 70 - 80e per vial. If you look at raws, then yeah, it's a lot more expensive then other powders. But with premade vials, ugls know they wont make that much money off of it. It's more the fact that you have to have a wide arange of assortement so that buyers wont go somewhere else and buy stuff for the whole cycle there.

I'm just explaining this for those who would comment that primo for 40 - 50e is surely fake - which is not, if you know your ugl ...

I can’t find it for less then $100 for one 10mL 100mg/mL vial.

 

[saderboy80]

Yes, I lasted 3 weeks app, I think. Dose app 250. Cycle length was 8 weeks.

What were you sides on npp?

 

[CroLifter]

I can’t find it for less then $100 for one 10mL 100mg/mL vial.

If you want my opinion I don't think it's worth it you can gain the Same with test just more water but you can harden up with proviron at the end.

Take this with a pinch of salt as I didn't run it but I sure ain't thrilled to go on a cycle and gain 2 lbs in 8 weeks.


I basically came to a conclusion...all these so called clean compounds that don't hold water or don't have masses of androgenic sides... Take test and completely inhibit aromatase and 5 a reductase and you get the same thing

But... Aromatizatiin and 5 a reduction make test more anabolic and more potent, its just that it gets watery and more androgenic

Yep by inhibiting 5 a reductase you are basically turning test into a more tissue selective compounds (which in itself is a wrong statement as anabolic are not tissue selective like sarms, but they either get potentiate in some tissues like test in prostate so more androgenic, they get weakened in androgenic tissues like nandro so they become very "selective" or simply nothing happens like with primo or clostebol

 

[saderboy80]

If you want my opinion I don't think it's worth it you can gain the Same with test just more water but you can harden up with proviron at the end.

Take this with a pinch of salt as I didn't run it but I sure ain't thrilled to go on a cycle and gain 2 lbs in 8 weeks.

Yeah I think primo is out the door for me.

NPP I’m still researching! Any comments?

 

[CroLifter]

Yeah I think primo is out the door for me.

NPP I’m still researching! Any comments?

I would give it a go but bear in mind that recovery may be difficult.

Some of the more experienced guys who ran gear for a long time @Matthersby and @Mathb33 really like it from what I have seen


But... They are both on trt...so take from this what you will

 

[Mathb33]

It wasn't for me and I think it isn't for most. Isn't recovery from 19nor's in general considered to be much tougher then from dht's and test derivatives? And I'm not aiming to ester length here, just the way that 19nor's shutdown is much harder then other aas. Isn't it commonly touted that using 19nor's is an express way to trt ...

Definitely true for the deca ester since it’ll hinder your recovery for up to 5 months since it stays in your system so freaking long. Npp is supposed to be the opposite. On paper it means recovery should be quick and easy. Is it true in real life though? I’d be lying if I said I knew the answer!

 

[Jinsun]

Yeah I think primo is out the door for me.

NPP I’m still researching! Any comments?

Feeling wise it's like dbol only better. Felt like a god on only 250 ... I couldn'y sleep on it as it really elevated my heart rate. So when it was time to sleep I was still to energetic. Seeing as you have severe insomnia, worse then me, I would advise against it. But I would advise against any hormone manipulation tbh. All aas will mess with your head and make things worse. If you can't sleep you cant live. Throwing aas in to the mix is imo playing with your life ...