muscleupcrohn
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Lots of places are open. I know people in SoFlo who go to pool halls multiple times a week. And to gyms, and out to eat. And to hang out with friends.
And now Disney World is opening up.
Anyone worried if Corona virus keeps spreading the gyms will shut down?
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And now Disney World is opening up.
BamBam54
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Can't stay locked down forever. It's just not economically feasible.
And the virus is never going away, so will resume spreading as soon as any lock down is lifted.
However, if we could ALL just believe this is serious and legit enough to warrant ALL wearing masks, washing hands, and playing the social distance game for real... like lives were at stake.... perhaps we could both open up economically AND keep death numbers from rising.
And the virus is never going away, so will resume spreading as soon as any lock down is lifted.
However, if we could ALL just believe this is serious and legit enough to warrant ALL wearing masks, washing hands, and playing the social distance game for real... like lives were at stake.... perhaps we could both open up economically AND keep death numbers from rising.
jswain34
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My goodness, now thats far too rational of a thought for this thread!
muscleupcrohn
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Agreed. Yes, the problem is that people refuse to distance and wear masks, which leads to more cases, which leads to shutdowns. If people are responsible, we can get over this faster. But self-proclaimed “patriots” who “love their country” can’t be assed to wear a mask while grocery shopping, or not go to parties every weekend.
Rebuild
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I'm experiencing the same in my county. Very liberal county with mandatory masks, everyone is wearing masks and social distancing, and yet numbers continue to skyrocket. I'm not saying masks or social distancing don't work, I believe they do. But something isn't adding up here...
CroLifter
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So true, road rage is an issue for me usually
But for example an old woman was walking under the red light today and i was surprised i wasnt losing it hahaha
If it wasnt a really old woman i would probably have an edema on my right knuckle again
and the air vent would get yet another dent 
(they are already all deformed from my last clomid run)
thebigt
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i don't understand the rationality behind saying it's not more deadly...if it's 10x more contangious then it has 10x as many chances to kill.
thebigt
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in the words of charlie rich-
'when you get behind closed doors'...the masks come off.
BamBam54
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I think they are saying that while this mutation spreads much faster, it has not mutated to be more lethal to the organs, etx.
But yes, more cases also equals more deaths even at the same lethality per case.
thebigt
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what we are saying is percentage stays the same while overall deaths go up-eh?
lol, i'm being redundant...it's been one of those days
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Ricky10
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Uggh, is someone restricting you from having blueberries again?what we are saying is percentage stays the same while overall deaths go up-eh?
lol, i'm being redundant...it's been one of those days
Anabaholic
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Well my gym just emailed me that as of tomorrow, they're closed again. So that will be fun. I hope they don't go out of business 
Ricky10
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Ricky10
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One of the major gyms in my area reopened and closed within a month. Just took one employee to test positive and it was over. This is going to be an endless cycle..Well my gym just emailed me that as of tomorrow, they're closed again. So that will be fun. I hope they don't go out of business
AntM1564
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Whenever I do working sets on bench, deadlift, squat, or military press, I put the mask under my chin. I put it back on after a quick breather. I tried deadlifting with it on and thought I was going to pass out. Accessory work I have it on, mostly, but sometimes I uncover my nose. That seems to be the common thing in my gym.
puccah8808
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My gym just closed again!
GreenMachineX
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What gym is that?
AntM1564
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Everyone I see, including myself, puts the mask below the nose.
Ricky10
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The reason I don‘t wear a mask is because I have been going to a smallish gym in my hometown for months now. Half the time I am alone, or there are maybe up to 3-4 other people when it’s busy. It’s very easy to maintain the 6 ft rule and and I have never seen anyone there with a mask.
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Ricky10
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We still have low numbers in Maine. Though it is tourist season, and out of state residents don’t get included in our numbers even if they get diagnosed here. We have had too many of those scenarios at my hospital. Still, ever since the big initial surge, we have averaged 2-4 people sick enough to be admitted at a given time in the past 2 months. We typically have had 1-2 vented patients at a time within the same timeframe. Testing is still taking 8 hrs to get results, so treating the many PUI’s is more than a PIA in terms of the PPE.
We still haven’t lost anyone yet. Last I knew, we were doing Tocilizumab (biologic), Remdesivir, and dexamethasone as things progress. I have been on vacation for the past week, so when I go back Monday, we will see if budesonide nebulizers will be the new thing. Overall, it’s exhausting to say the least, and we are all so ready for it to be out of our lives. We are also bitter that nobody ever received any hazard pay, and not only will we not be getting our yearly raise, but pay cuts have also been mentioned as a possibility.
puccah8808
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24 Hour fitness
Yes, I tried booking a slot yesterday and it wouldn’t let me and today it’s all closed out. I’m going to order some bands and weights online. Anyone have the bow flex adjustable dumbbells? Thoughts?
puccah8808
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mase1
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Have the select tech dumbbells they are perfect.
thebigt
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not really...i run by myself 4-5 days a week in the great outdoors.
Mathb33
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Yes sir?
Hilltern
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From what I understood, viruses mutate over time to become more contagious but less fatal to increase viability of the host. Essentially don’t kill the host so fast and spread to more hosts = ideal life for a virus. However, I haven’t heard that recently with regards to this mutation (heard it when it was first being reported months ago though), but then again the media is bias. Can’t tell y’all how many articles I’ve seen about “healthy” people dying that have underlying conditions - but I digress.
HIT4ME
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Interesting. I didn't really know this, or think about it in these terms before. As I read it, I was skeptical but as I thought it through it would make sense. A less deadly (from an accute perspective) virus can live in a host longer, replicate more and spread more.
As the more deadly virus kills its hosts, it replicates less, and basically might get outcompeted for hosts by the abundance of the less deadly version...basic evolution.
But a less deadly virus can end up having a much higher death rate overall, because it spreads wider (which is already an issue with Covid)
Hilltern
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That’s essentially why Ebola has contained outbreaks. It kills the host so quickly it’s hard to spread.
muscleupcrohn
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Source? Also, that would mean the death rate is actually higher than what is being reported, if you have a ton of false positives. So pick one; you’re claiming either it’s as reported, or it’s less common but more deadly.
ELROCK
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Do you have a link or source for this?
mase1
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You can believe what they tell you to. My point was numbers from all angles of the virus are very questionable from the both angles good or bad. I believe everything is overstated as gloom and doom is good for news. That is my opinion.
dixonk
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Random thought of the day concerning death rate. There is a difference between dying OF COVID aka China Virus and dying WITH COVID. What I would like to see is solid numbers showing death as a direct result of China virus. Not some dude with stage 4 cancer or some guy that wrecked his car and had the coof.
Hilltern
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A lot of deaths may have occurred eventually or under the right circumstances lining up and it’s just that covid is that perfect storm. I’m thinking of the clinically obese, people with unmanaged diabetes, etc. In those instances, your co-morbidities are the underlying cause but you would not have died at that time had you not had covid. Maybe the same is true if you did not have the comorbidities but you can’t definitively prove that whereas you can definitively prove the inverse. So it’s not illegitimate to count them as covid deaths.
Hilltern
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A lot of deaths may have occurred eventually or under the right circumstances lining up and it’s just that covid is that perfect storm. I’m thinking of the clinically obese, people with unmanaged diabetes, etc. In those instances, your co-morbidities are the underlying cause but you would not have died at that time had you not had covid. Maybe the same is true if you did not have the comorbidities but you can’t definitively prove that whereas you can definitively prove the inverse. So it’s not illegitimate to count them as covid deaths.
dixonk
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It does underscore the lethality of the virus though. If you are healthy it’s low risk. If you didn’t take care of yourself medium risk. If you were already one foot in the grave it’s lethal. I still think accidents, suicides, and people with terminal illness shouldn’t be counted. They would have died with or without it.
dixonk
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It does underscore the lethality of the virus though. If you are healthy it’s low risk. If you didn’t take care of yourself medium risk. If you were already one foot in the grave it’s lethal. I still think accidents, suicides, and people with terminal illness shouldn’t be counted. They would have died with or without it.
jswain34
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Can you prove that accidents, suicides, or people who are “terminally ill” are dying directly from something else and being counted towards the covid death #s? I’m looking specifically for those instances, nothing else.
Just because someone is terminally ill doesnt mean they wouldve died the day they died if they hadnt of contracted covid, or even the week or month. There are “terminally ill” patients (eg. Unresectable cancer that is non-responsive to chemo & radiation) who survive for months to years in this state. These people are dying of covid, regardless if you personally want to admit it because it disagrees with the agenda the political party you follow is pushing.
Id also like to hear your definition of “terminally ill” conditions that make this virus lethal. Not all cancer patients are terminally ill, nor are people with autoimmune diseases on immunosuppressants or children with congenital heart defects. Should we just not give a damn about them as a society simply because we were lucky enough to not draw that short straw in life?
On a different, yet still related topic - just being elderly, even if you’re healthy and elderly, puts you at an increased risk of dying from covid. Game time - my grandma who takes 0 meds, not because she doesnt go see a medical provider, and is 76 gets covid next week and dies. Someone tells me she didnt die from covid it was just because “she’s old”. Do you agree?
BamBam54
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The best way to know people are really dying from covid beyond ordinary cancer, flu, disease, etc is to look at the "CDC excess death chart". There you can see the year over year average US deaths for every week of the calendar. It's a rather regular curve outside on any new major event.
There was a small but noticeable spike above the running average for an exceptionally bad flu season in Jan 2018. You can see the spike and we know what was causing additional fatalities at that time.
Same for this year... a big spike in deaths (you can't fake deaths - dead is dead) and what is the cause for all this extra death? We still have cancer, flu, lung disease, aids, etc all around the country. Still have suicides, and murder, and drowning accidents. So what was different in April/May/June that would account for the apx 135,000 new additional deaths above the relatively consistent running average in the US year after year after year??
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There was a small but noticeable spike above the running average for an exceptionally bad flu season in Jan 2018. You can see the spike and we know what was causing additional fatalities at that time.
Same for this year... a big spike in deaths (you can't fake deaths - dead is dead) and what is the cause for all this extra death? We still have cancer, flu, lung disease, aids, etc all around the country. Still have suicides, and murder, and drowning accidents. So what was different in April/May/June that would account for the apx 135,000 new additional deaths above the relatively consistent running average in the US year after year after year??
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muscleupcrohn
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Source 1 just says that they incorrectly reported multiple days of tests as one day. Not cool or good, but there’s a reason why experts look at things like week-long trends and rolling averages. If they lumped 4-5 days into one, that day would have a higher number, but surrounding days would be lower, resulting in essentially the same rolling average. The “only” truly negative outcome from this would me public panic over a crazy 1-day spike. Actually policy should not be based on any single day data point, and no expert is doing that, only politicians and the general public who have no knowledge of how statistics work.
Second link talks about not reporting negative test results. Again, no bueno, but that doesn’t impact the total confirmed case or the death rate, as a negative case is neither the numerator nor denominator in any fraction at play here.
Source 3 sounds like the same problem as 2 of not reporting negatives, which means all reported data are positive, which is stupid as all hell, but doesn’t change the number of total positive cases.
Yes, it’s horrible practice, and it creates a rift between the data and the people, and breaks their trust and undermines their credibility to a degree, if none of those actually come close to suggesting that the TOTAL number of cases is wrong.
I hope that makes sense.
dixonk
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Oh what you say makes sense. I am playing devils advocate for the ones that are having a hard time taking this stuff seriously, admittedly myself included. This stuff is all over the map and not a lot of consensus. Then false reporting further destroys any credibility these agencies and departments had or what little they even had to begin with. Trust in authority and government is at an all time low and it’s not getting any better.
Don’t wear a mask, next week, wear a mask. Buy a box of masks and read the huge warning label that tells you this mask does not stop the transmission of COVID 19. Go to the VA hospital and there is a sign that advises not to be wearing surgical style masks that could be used for hospital staff. No joke I saw this yesterday at the OKC VA.
I seriously have a headache from this whole issue. I personally would like to just go ahead and catch it so I can be done with it and move on with my life.