Donald Trump running for president

[ax1]

We are expansive. We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front.

No, because politics divides people and every political party is trying to unite people to their side politically just like your group is, and just like I want to bring everybody to my front.

Did these people vote for Obobo? If so they arent liberators, they are big government tyrants. I dunno just guessing.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Yeah, why not...what an example that would set, show diversity and set an example of equality by picking a white person to be the spokesperson of your race.

Im serious, this is how we break racial barriers....set an example, this is real leadership not from the top but from the entire community.

Religion is an ideology...in a way, these people in BLM have their own political ideology, so naturally you would pick a white person who leads the black community with a similar ideology.

Catholics should fight anti-semitism as much as Jews do anyways.

All people should fight anti-semitism, of course, but having the face of a group be someone who has experienced the pains of what they’re fighting against makes the most logical sense man. Come on...

We’re on a bodybuilding/fitness site. If we elected/appointed a leader, shouldn’t they be someone who lifts regularly and looks like it? Or just someone who likes the idea of lifting? Optics matter sometimes.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

So the first thing I ran into was the George Floyd defund the police campaign, they claim that police are out to kill black people which I think they are very wrong with that. It was a specific incident by a group of 4 police and there is no evidence it was racially based. It was a incident of police brutality and murder on an "American Citizen."

So right there they are immediately race bating and discriminating against police as racists as a whole.

So anyways

"About"
#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.

Ok so you strt with Martin and go on to eradicate white supremacy immediately in the next sentence, but George Zimmerman was Latino RRROOOOOFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

On top of that, it was not a incidence of white supremecy on Martins murder, it was George Zimmerman the American murdering Martin.

Ill be back.

Zimmerman could still have been racist towards a black man. It’s not white supremacy if he’s not white, but a Latino can still be racist towards a black person.

 

[ax1]

We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.

Why not affirm the lives of all queers, trans, disabled, undocumented, women along the gender and make it a focus of equal rights as a whole than be racially divisive?

We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.

We need to define what that is, because this is extremely political as to who, what, where, when, and why and is often an abused ideology and excuse for certain individuals failure, especially when all races as a whole experience the same problems and failures.

We affirm our humanity, our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.

So why not dump the Black Lives Matter's movement and create an All Lives Matters movement where we all contribute to society, and as all have resilience in the face of deadly oppression?

 

[ax1]

Zimmerman could still have been racist towards a black man. It’s not white supremacy if he’s not white, but a Latino can still be racist towards a black person.

Yes, and you are 100% right, and I have met racist latinos, black, whites, chinese, etc....

With Zimmerman, I dunno if he even was a racist so the entire movement started an assumption of a racist incident. According to the FBI (not that I believe everything they say) there was no evidence of racism on the case. Just because a latino killed a black person doesnt mean that was an act of racist supremacy.

 

[ax1]

How are they not a political organization or a branch of one? At the end of the day they are going to vote in a big mass murdering government that oppresses and control black people and continues to murder other races across the globe. Im on Kapernicks side on this one, fuq voting!

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 is a campaign aimed to maximize the impact of the BLM movement by galvanizing BLM supporters and allies to the polls in the 2020 U.S Presidential Election to build collective power and ensure candidates are held accountable for the issues that systematically and disproportionately impact Black and under-served communities across the nation.

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[ax1]

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on issues concerning racial injustice, police brutality, criminal justice reform, Black immigration, economic injustice, LGBTQIA+ and human rights, environmental injustice, access to healthcare, access to quality education, and voting rights and suppression.

If they believe in human rights, are they going to vote for that mass murdering lunatic Groper Joe this fall? RRROOOFFFLLLL!!!!!!

He will send BLM to afghanistan to die while slaughtering muslim babies thats for sure.

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[thebigt]

So if they changed the BLM to BLMT (Black Lives Matter Too), or to BLAM (Black Lives Also Matter), you’d never have to say “well, ALL lives matter.”

If I, a Jew, start a group to fight antisemitism, does that mean I think abuse towards Muslims is OK because I’m only focusing on discrimination against Jews? Do I have to advocate for EVERY group? Is this my showing “Jewish Supremacy?”

PS: I think BLAM is a MUCH better acronym than BLM anyway!

nearly half of all killed by cops are white...i got this from washington post so don't know how accurate it is.

 

[ax1]

nearly half of all killed by cops are white...i got this from washington post so don't know how accurate it is.

But if thats true, they will say its disproportionate, having 14% of blacks and 76% of all other races killed by cops is equality.

 

[thebigt]

But if thats true, they will say its disproportionate, having 14% of blacks and 76% of all other races killed by cops is equality.

yes, i know, but if you look at statistics blacks also commit a disproportionate percentage of crime.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

nearly half of all killed by cops are white...i got this from washington post so don't know how accurate it is.

Yes, but whites make up a lot more than half the population. Granted, how much of that is based on socioeconomic class leading to increased crime rates, I don’t know, but come on man, you think there’s no racism in America anymore? No racist cops at all? Granted, overall police reform and accountability would reduce ALL police abuse, white or black victims, but you can’t blame black people for not wanting to try to reduce racism against them. That doesn’t mean they’re the only ones being abused by cops, only that they feel sometimes they are specifically targeted by said bad cops because of their race.

Edit: and it’s not just an American thing, or a black thing. Have you heard about the police abuse of Native Canadians in Canada? So if they were to fight against that abuse, would you think that means they’re fine with police abusing white Canadians? Of course not.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

yes, i know, but if you look at statistics blacks also commit a disproportionate percentage of crime.

Which I’d say is due to lower socioeconomic standing, not something inherent to any race. Earlier ITT I posted a source showing that the poverty rate is ~2x as high for blacks as for whites in the US.

 

[thebigt]

Which I’d say is due to lower socioeconomic standing, not something inherent to any race. Earlier ITT I posted a source showing that the poverty rate is ~2x as high for blacks as for whites in the US.

how can be that be? whites have white privilege how are there still poor whites?

i guess they didn't get the memo, lol.

 

[ax1]

Yes, but whites make up a lot more than half the population. Granted, how much of that is based on socioeconomic class leading to increased crime rates, I don’t know, but come on man, you think there’s no racism in America anymore? No racist cops at all? Granted, overall police reform and accountability would reduce ALL police abuse, white or black victims, but you can’t blame black people for not wanting to try to reduce racism against them. That doesn’t mean they’re the only ones being abused by cops, only that they feel sometimes they are specifically targeted by said bad cops because of their race.

Edit: and it’s not just an American thing, or a black thing. Have you heard about the police abuse of Native Canadians in Canada? So if they were to fight against that abuse, would you think that means they’re fine with police abusing white Canadians? Of course not.

I think that is often confused with specifically targeting a bad socio-economic class, the war on drugs, culture, which isnt race specific and they confuse the two and just blanketly call out targeted racism. We need to be really sure when we are calling instances or racism which I think often its not the case.

 

[ax1]

how can be that be? whites have white privilege how are there still poor whites?

i guess they didn't get the memo, lol.

Thats why it makes sense to start groups protecting targeted communities and having these communities a more fairer share of the tax system (if thats your cup of tea) and have better funding in their education system like middle class communities do. It has nothing to do with race (in most circumstances.)

 

[thebigt]

Thats why it makes sense to start groups protecting targeted communities and having these communities a more fairer share of the tax system (if thats your cup of tea) and have better funding in their education system like middle class communities do. It has nothing to do with race (in most circumstances.)

most of the big cities are in blue states, the rest of the state pays higher taxes to support the big cities...i bet your state taxes would be much less if you didn't have to support nyc?

 

[Aleksandar37]

Thats why it makes sense to start groups protecting targeted communities and having these communities a more fairer share of the tax system (if thats your cup of tea) and have better funding in their education system like middle class communities do. It has nothing to do with race (in most circumstances.)

It's been based on race since the beginning. These communities that you refer to were created based on redlining and that's a fact.

 

[Aleksandar37]

most of the big cities are in blue states, the rest of the state pays higher taxes to support the big cities...i bet your state taxes would be much less if you didn't have to support nyc?

Upstate NY gets back WAY more than they pay in taxes. NYC is supporting them, not the other way around.

 

[ax1]

It's been based on race since the beginning. These communities that you refer to were created based on redlining and that's a fact.

I think your talking about social engineering that started with Robert Moses in NYC and the projects that other cities followed that model to get minorities all move away into ghettos. That was disgusting.

So ok, so there are generational issues with poverty, I grew up into that myself Im from a welfare family. I know what its like to grow up in a welfare family that didnt understand the value of education and depend on government handouts. So lets find how to improve in these areas so we can boost the current young generation and better prepare them to succeed...but this is where it becomes another level of politics.

 

[ax1]

most of the big cities are in blue states, the rest of the state pays higher taxes to support the big cities...i bet your state taxes would be much less if you didn't have to support nyc?

I dont know the numbers, but I still live in a strong pocket blue area upstate and all they want to do is spend, spend and spend and taxes are pretty freaking high. We get 1 little crisis and they no money was saved for a rainy day because they just want to spend on crap or social programs that people cant do out on their own. My lawyer who is a conservative Senior Citizen in his 80s and worked for the town was in the paper saying, and Ill say it in my own words, "What the fuq tax payers need to pay for a new Senior Community Center....why cant they just go out together for a fuqing dinner, wtffff mind blown!" lol

 

[Aleksandar37]

I think your talking about social engineering that started with Robert Moses in NYC and the projects that other cities followed that model to get minorities all move away into ghettos. That was disgusting.

So ok, so there are generational issues with poverty, I grew up into that myself Im from a welfare family. I know what its like to grow up in a welfare family that didnt understand the value of education and depend on government handouts. So lets find how to improve in these areas so we can boost the current young generation and better prepare them to succeed...but this is where it becomes another level of politics.

He was part of the problem, but do a search for redlining or just read the wikipedia page. It was used all over the country.

 

[thebigt]

I dont know the numbers, but I still live in a strong pocket blue area upstate and all they want to do is spend, spend and spend and taxes are pretty freaking high. We get 1 little crisis and they no money was saved for a rainy day because they just want to spend on crap or social programs that people cant do out on their own. My lawyer who is a conservative Senior Citizen in his 80s and worked for the town was in the paper saying, and Ill say it in my own words, "What the fuq tax payers need to pay for a new Senior Community Center....why cant they just go out together for a fuqing dinner, wtffff mind blown!" lol

i'm going to let you in on a secret, everyone who lives in a blue state pays ridiculous taxes to fund the programs of the big city in that state, even if you live in a rural area.

 

[ax1]

He was part of the problem, but do a search for redlining or just read the wikipedia page. It was used all over the country.

Government does alot of evil crap thats for sure, this is why I support government getting the fuq out da way instead of looking to them to solve our problems.

 

[thebigt]

Government does alot of evil crap thats for sure, this is why I support government getting the fuq out da way instead of looking to them to solve our problems.

lol...made me laugh.

 

[ax1]

i'm going to let you in on a secret, everyone who lives in a blue state pays ridiculous taxes to fund the programs of the big city in that state, even if you live in a rural area.

New York State has giving the Federal Government (mostly red) the most amount of money too....and put into the Fed more than many red states, which some dont even give any but take in more.

Both Red and Blue ideologies are big government massive spenders, one just may lean the money towards certain causes that are different than the other.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

how can be that be? whites have white privilege how are there still poor whites?

i guess they didn't get the memo, lol.

I mean, the rate is 2x higher for blacks. It’s a general trend among a very large sample size. On an individual level, plenty of whites have it insanely rough, and plenty of blacks have very privileged lives. No one with half a brain would argue that some whites don’t have it insanely hard in life.

 

[manifesto]

How come no one is talking about thw 5 Dallas Police officers killed by a lunatic? Their lives don't matter? #bluelivesmatter

 

[thebigt]

I mean, the rate is 2x higher for blacks. It’s a general trend among a very large sample size. On an individual level, plenty of whites have it insanely rough, and plenty of blacks have very privileged lives. No one with half a brain would argue that some whites don’t have it insanely hard in life.

thank you, this goes back to ALL lives matter....even if blacks are poor at a higher percentage, if you are white and poor does this really matter to you?

 

[thebigt]

How come no one is talking about thw 5 Dallas Police officers killed by a lunatic? Their lives don't matter? #bluelivesmatter

this may turn out to be the 1st year in history that more cops were killed in line of duty than were killed by cops.

 

[manifesto]

this may turn out to be the 1st year in history that more cops were killed in line of duty than were killed by cops.

Yup.. and one bad/poorly trained cop kills a black guy and the world explodes...welcome to the twilight zone.

 

[manifesto]

Oh, and hes arrested for murder...and people or still mad....

 

[thebigt]

Oh, and hes arrested for murder...and people or still mad....

there is more than one definition of mad...just sayin

 

[muscleupcrohn]

thank you, this goes back to ALL lives matter....even if blacks are poor at a higher percentage, if you are white and poor does this really matter to you?

But can you blame a black person for focusing on what they perceive to be their problem? No. Just like you can't blame a Jew for fighting Antisemitism but not also fighting, say, discrimination against Muslims or gays. That doesn't mean they're not real problems too. That is all I'm saying.

Yup.. and one bad/poorly trained cop kills a black guy and the world explodes...welcome to the twilight zone.

Except I can give you dozens of examples of cops abusing their power across the country in recent days/months/years. It's not a single incident man...

Oh, and hes arrested for murder...and people or still mad....

Was he when the protests started? Don't be disingenuous man...

Edit: and we don't know yet if he'll walk or not. He may well walk, and still keep his pension.

 

[thebigt]

i really feel sorry for those cops who do their job and run towards danger while risking their lives, in the interest of protecting the public who now hates them, that has to be tough.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Yup.. and one bad/poorly trained cop kills a black guy and the world explodes...welcome to the twilight zone.

There were other cops there that held the guy down while another was the lookout. Plus the main guy has a long list of violations that he should have been fired a long time for, this was simply the one that got caught on camera and got the public behind it. You also have so many peaceful protesters getting the crap kicked out of them, pepper sprayed, and shot at close range with rubber bullets which are far from being harmless. And that's not the looters, that was countless instances of police brutality on protesters who were out there to speak against police brutality.

 

[Aleksandar37]

i really feel sorry for those cops who do their job and run towards danger while risking their lives, in the interest of protecting the public who now hates them, that has to be tough.

all jobs matter

 

[muscleupcrohn]

i really feel sorry for those cops who do their job and run towards danger while risking their lives, in the interest of protecting the public who now hates them, that has to be tough.

I also feel sorry that they get a bad rep because o the bad cops that are a small minority of all officers. So lets do what we can to weed out bad cops, and help ensure that good cops aren't afraid to report bad cops out of fear of retaliation.

Of course attacking cops at random is reprehensible though, no doubt about that.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

There were other cops there that held the guy down while another was the lookout. Plus the main guy has a long list of violations that he should have been fired a long time for, this was simply the one that got caught on camera and got the public behind it. You also have so many peaceful protesters getting the crap kicked out of them, pepper sprayed, and shot at close range with rubber bullets which are far from being harmless. And that's not the looters, that was countless instances of police brutality on protesters who were out there to speak against police brutality.

You mean like the officers that shot rubber bullets at someone on their porch during curfew? Or the one that pepper sprayed someone in their home window for insulting him? Or the ones going around bumping into peaceful protesters and then claiming they assaulted them? Or the ones pushing old men and then leaving them bleeding on the ground? Or the ones a few years ago that had sex with someone in custody? Or the one where you can clearly see an officer hand a man on the ground his baton so they can say he was armed so they can justify beating him? I can go on all day...

 

[thebigt]

I also feel sorry that they get a bad rep because o the bad cops that are a small minority of all officers. So lets do what we can to weed out bad cops, and help ensure that good cops aren't afraid to report bad cops out of fear of retaliation.

Of course attacking cops at random is reprehensible though, no doubt about that.

it's a double edged sword...they are taking off all the reality cop shows because they don't want people seeing all the BS cops have to put up with...and yet there are cops who are willing to put their lives on the line for those same assholes---between me and you i couldn't do it.

how about we weed out all of those assholes?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

all jobs matter

Yeah. How can you forget about all the nurses who are exposing themselves to COVID? And will end up treating some people who don't even acknowledge that it is a real danger, who think it's all a conspiracy, and people who didn't social distance, etc. Why didn't you also mention that they have it rough and that you feel bad for them?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

all jobs matter

Yeah. How can you forget about all the nurses who are exposing themselves to COVID? And will end up treating some people who don't even acknowledge that it is a real danger, who think it's all a conspiracy, and people who didn't social distance, etc. Why didn't you also mention that they have it rough and that you feel bad for them?

 

[thebigt]

Yeah. How can you forget about all the nurses who are exposing themselves to COVID? And will end up treating some people who don't even acknowledge that it is a real danger, who think it's all a conspiracy, and people who didn't social distance, etc. Why didn't you also mention that they have it rough and that you feel bad for them?

if only you knew how long my prayer list is before bed every night. how about those poor souls getting ragged on every day who work fast food? i am actually in real life a very polite person and try to treat every one with dignity and respect, in particular those with 'special needs'.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

it's a double edged sword...they are taking off all the reality cop shows because they don't want people seeing all the BS cops have to put up with...and yet there are cops who are willing to put their lives on the line for those same assholes---between me and you i couldn't do it.

how about we weed out all of those assholes?

What? Yes, people who make cops lives difficult, and put their lives in danger, are by definition criminals man, and they do get in trouble, and often go to jail, as well they should if they attempt to injure/kill an officer.

My point is that often police officers abuse their POSITIONS OF POWER, and then their departments either turn a blind eye or even cover it up.

People with power and authority should be held to a HIGHER standard, not a lower man.

Are you a Christian by chance? Does the Bible not say that teachers should be held to a higher standard than your average Christian? Should the same not also apply to anyone who is teaching/enforcing the law? Surely it should.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

if only you knew how long my prayer list is before bed every night. how about those poor souls getting ragged on every day who work fast food? i am actually in real life a very polite person and try to treat every one with dignity and respect, in particular those with 'special needs'.

And that's great for you, not being sarcastic at all. My point is that just because you didn't mention them doesn't mean you don't also care about them, or that you think less of them. Why can't you extend that same benefit of the doubt to people who say "black lives (also) matter?"

 

[Aleksandar37]

it's a double edged sword...they are taking off all the reality cop shows because they don't want people seeing all the BS cops have to put up with...and yet there are cops who are willing to put their lives on the line for those same assholes---between me and you i couldn't do it.

how about we weed out all of those assholes?

By "weed out", do you mean people demonstrating their 1st amendment right and the cops killing people they think deserve to die with no trial or jury? Thanks Karen, but that's already happening.

 

[ax1]

Yup.. and one bad/poorly trained cop kills a black guy and the world explodes...welcome to the twilight zone.

Its really a compilation of time and multiple events, it wasnt just Floyd. Floyd wasnt exactly a good guy nor someone Id want as the face of the movement, but you gotta admit that video that was posted was horrific and I can see how that could have triggered the massive outrage with the fact that the police officer hadnt even been arrested for something like that.

Oh, and hes arrested for murder...and people or still mad....

Which was after the protests happened, like wtf took so long to have him arrested. This is a clear issue with the system that needs to change.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Its really a compilation of time and multiple events, it wasnt just Floyd. Floyd wasnt exactly a good guy nor someone Id want as the face of the movement, but you gotta admit that video that was posted was horrific and I can see how that could have triggered the massive outrage with the fact that the police officer hadnt even been arrested for something like that.

Right there is one of the differences between how black and white crimes are thought of and portrayed...and I don't mean to pick on you, but using this as an example. And yes, I'm sure the usual suspects will find the exceptions to the rule, but most of the time when a black person is arrested or killed by cops you're going to here about what he did 5 years ago and here's a picture of him posing with guns and yada yada. And yes, his family is going to post what a great man he was, but that's what most families are going to do. However, a white kid rapes somebody or shoots up a school and it's oh, he still has a bright future or we never saw this coming because he was such a great kid and here's a picture of him in a polo while holding a puppy.

It does not matter if Floyd had just got done slaughtering 300 people while jaywalking. He was in cuffs and deserved due process. The second you start looking at his past, ask yourself why you're doing that (not you personally, but anybody).

 

[ax1]

Oh, and hes arrested for murder...and people or still mad....

Come on man, you gotta have a little bit of a heart to tell something is going wrong out there. I with you on the cop racism, but there are some serious issues in the system and alot of cops are also set up to fail with the system itself.

 

[nostrum420]

Im not “so” against them, just against them because they come across as racially divisive to me.

I look at them as my fellow Americans not black people, but they can identify themselves any way they want.

You don't see color?

 

[ax1]

Right there is one of the differences between how black and white crimes are thought of and portrayed...and I don't mean to pick on you, but using this as an example. And yes, I'm sure the usual suspects will find the exceptions to the rule, but most of the time when a black person is arrested or killed by cops you're going to here about what he did 5 years ago and here's a picture of him posing with guns and yada yada. And yes, his family is going to post what a great man he was, but that's what most families are going to do. However, a white kid rapes somebody or shoots up a school and it's oh, he still has a bright future or we never saw this coming because he was such a great kid and here's a picture of him in a polo while holding a puppy.

It does not matter if Floyd had just got done slaughtering 300 people while jaywalking. He was in cuffs and deserved due process. The second you start looking at his past, ask yourself why you're doing that (not you personally, but anybody).

George was a bit on the extreme side, I mean he didnt post on facebook with guns, he went to prison for pointing a gun to his pregnant girlfriends belly to steal her drugs and money if I got the story right. Anyways this should be talked about but this in no way makes him less human than anyone else.

So yeah I agree with your last statement, I do know there are alot of retards out there who use that to justify the police officers actions and these people are totally wrong.